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2:00 PM
It's so weird to be given blatant tutorials including one that prompts you to piss off the boss then there's basically no help after that point
 
There were tutorials? :O I don't remember any
but I played that game forever ago
 
@Chippies Text prompts.
 
There's some mostly unnecessary "this button does this" things immediately before the first boss
 
@5pike ah, who reads those
 
@Chippies People that want to know the controls, mostly.
 
2:02 PM
@5pike I'm more of a "press all the buttons to see what they do, try different combinations, if all fails, look at controls" kind of guy
 
I am too, though the climbing and horseback would probably be much more confusing without them
Wouldn't have thought to hold a button to stay gripped previously
 
yeah, SoC is confusing, I suppose I did read the control "tutorials"
 
Apparently the PS3 version is also harder because of the "higher" 30fps (how slow was it on PS2?)
 
wait what? there's a PS3 version?
and I think PS2 games often ran at 24 fps
or 25 maybe
 
I don't think too much outside of the N64 was closer to 20 FPS than 30
 
2:06 PM
Frame rate test
 
but yeah there's an HD version on PS3. Not that stellar looking, but it's 30 FPS and better image quality
 
@BenBrocka nice
 
we really should have waited for the PS4 before all these HD remasters so they could actually be 1080/60FPS
So weird to have "remasters" that still have pretty poor IQ (the Tales Of game was more of a port than a remaster, I guess they never used "HD" in it's marketing though)
 
@BenBrocka but now they can release SUPER HD editions!
 
Seems like 20fps on ps2
 
2:07 PM
@BenBrocka I still haven't played Tales of Symphonia. I really should go grab that.
 
@5pike I'm guessing the PS2 just couldn't handle the fancy hair graphics
 
@Frank ToS Chronicles is definitely worth the asking price for ToS1. Though it's not enough of an upgrade if you already have it IMO
The game itself is a classic (ToS2 less so). Was a bit disapointed it's 720p with what looks like FXAAx2 at best and mostly original (bad) textures. Character textures look a little cleaned up
 
@BenBrocka I own the Gamecube version, but never got around to playing it.
And now I can't find my GC stuff.
 
And, oddly, they changed the shader for the cartoon outlines to make them less thick
 
@Frank Do it. It's an awesome game.
 
2:10 PM
@5pike I'm so looking forward to Xillia 2.
 
@5pike I guess the image quality upgrade was actually pretty big
After ToS2 I'm a bit cautious about Xillia 2
It's possible they planned it out better this time, but ToS2 was very shoddily put together story-wise and really fails to deliver on basically the only thing people wanted (to play and rejoin the cast of ToS 1, they're minor, temp party members now)
 
@Frank I need to get a ps3, so I can finally play the first one.
 
I liked Xillia enough to want to continue the story.
From what I've read, you get at least some of the original party.
@5pike And Graces f.
 
Trophies aside Xillia is really good, though I miss the world map
 
I think I actually liked that one better than Xillia.
 
2:13 PM
What's with Japan and f? Tales of Graces f, Fairy Fencer f, Project Diva f
 
@Frank Yeah, there are a few ps3 games that I need to play. To bad my brother sold his ps3. At least he made a tidy profit.
 
@5pike The one you absolutely have to play, if you're a JRPG, and/or Fire Emblem fan, is Valkyria Chronicles.
 
@Frank That's on the list.
Played the PSP one. Was pretty good, but the difficulty spikes were unbelievable (as far as I remember).
 
Hey look, it's that @Mana guy.
 
2:17 PM
Like, one enemy unit just curb stomps your whole squad + tank, and all you can do is go back and grind.
 
@5pike I hate stuff like that. Even worse: when it happens in a game where grinding isn't possible
 
@BenBrocka I'm not a big fan of SRPGs, at least the ones where when your unit dies, it's gone forever.
 
@BenBrocka This is the main trouble I had with Grandia 2 back in the day.
 
Yggdra Union could be a great game if THAT aspect were removed as well as the INSANE hidden/missable items crap and how the leveling system basically requires you to stick with the same team forever because XP is limited
 
Enemies didn't respawn, so you couldn't level up too much.
 
2:20 PM
@BenBrocka Last Remnant comes to mind.
 
@5pike I think Fire Emblem is like this. I've never played one before, but it's next up in my queue for 3DS after I finish Bravely Default.
 
@5pike This is one of the problems in Yggdra I had the least problem with. Dying isn't a big deal, but no revisiting areas and missable items make it awful. It's entirely possible to enter a map (and you can ONLY play that map) that's basically impossible with your units/levels/equips
 
@StrixVaria In Fire Emblem Awakening you can switch off units dying, thank god.
 
I was going to play it on PPSSPP but I'm not even sure how savestates would help
 
@5pike Ooh I will definitely have to remember that when I start it up.
 
2:21 PM
@StrixVaria It asks you.
 
In Yggdra units can lose a certain amount of battles before dying, as long as you manage your units right it's pretty easy to avoid permadeath
 
@5pike I really want to play it but I know if I stop Bravely Default I won't finish it, and that game's good too.
 
 
Also - if you want to have strong units, have fun researching.
 
@StrixVaria if you stop, do it after chapter 4
 
2:23 PM
@BenBrocka I'm in the middle of Chapter 6. Chapters 5-6 are dumb.
I heard that the end is ok, though.
 
I really hope the "play the whole game again with minor difficulty improvements!" thing isn't a trend in JRPGs. It's not a genre that needs more padding
 
Someone suggested I skip all the side quests in Chapters 5-6 and so far it's worked pretty well. Chapter 5 lasted all of an hour.
I did a few just to check to see if they were really worthless.
They were really worthless.
 
Hooray for spending $313 dollars!
Civil War reenacting is expensive!
 
steals BLU's core
 
> The bonus "Crew Expendable" and "Last Survivor" levels, which will be available to those who pre-order the game
oh come on Alien Isolation I thought you were cool
 
2:33 PM
@BenBrocka ...temptation to preorder rising, even though we all know this will be DLC down the line.
> The original Ripley scarified herself at the conclusion of 1992's "Aliens 3."
 
@5pike This is a great setting for newcomers, but not anything fans of the series will use.
 
I really hope they meant to put sacrificed there.
 
@Frank Well, it's great for me, because I usually just reload when something like that is in a game. Not a big fan of wasting my time.
 
@Powerlord I sure hope so
 
@5pike The number of reloads I've done in FE is insane.
 
2:35 PM
@Frank there are surely fans of the series who still don't care for permadeath
 
I can't imagine anyone saying "YES! My character died! This is splendid fun."
 
@Frank That's really my only gripe with SRPGs.
 
Obviously you're going to reload the level if someone dies.
 
@StrixVaria xcom.txt
 
I guess the true experience is replaying it until you execute each level flawlessly?
 
2:37 PM
@5pike this is why I gravitate towards games where it's not possible. I HATED how FFTA suddenly sprung it on you like 30 hours into the game
 
Sounds like Dark Souls (which I'm trying really hard to like).
@BenBrocka FFTA's judges or rules or whatever literally ruined the game for me.
 
Even in the new Xcom, I just quicksaved like a maniac.
 
And ironically in the only places that remove laws, which were my least favorite part of the game. Honestly permadeath was better than laws
 
@StrixVaria Some people play it hardcore. And some people reload.
 
I'll just turn off permadeath :P
 
2:38 PM
@StrixVaria RANGED ATTACK! RED CARD
 
@BenBrocka I don't remember specifically what that means. I just remember getting to a level where 80% of my characters were literally worthless because the laws forbade all their useful skills.
 
@StrixVaria yellow cards were annoying but red cards took units out of the battle instantly
 
@BenBrocka Oh right for violating the law.
 
And yeah late game they'd occasionally do asinine things like ban a race's entire moveset or THE ABILITY TO ATTACK
 
Because tying your hand on your back is great fun
 
2:40 PM
@StrixVaria ...isn't that the entire idea behind Roguelikes?
 
What dumb game is this?
 
That was the point at which I lost interest in FFTA.
 
@OrigamiRobot Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
 
It's also a system that mostly restricts you since the AI never seems to slip up or be hindered in any notable way
 
When regular attacks are forbidden, it's just a convoluted way of saying screw you.
 
2:41 PM
@Powerlord It's "fun" to die, but it isn't fun to die. The "fun" comes in because in theory, in a balanced roguelike you'd be able to avoid the same fate again. I guess I can see the fun in people trying to find a way to execute flawlessly in FE, but that's not how I enjoy games.
 
Oh how convenient. I already irrationally hate the final fantasy series.
 
FF has a bad habit of including at least one exceptionally stupid mechanic in each major game
 
@Powerlord To me, it all depends on the amount of time spent. Roguelikes are often replayable and shorter. If I spend 30 hours just to find out that I need to do it again because of choices I made earlier...
 
FFTA laws, FF8 draws, FFX's insufferably awful minigames
"dodge 200 lightning bolts" isn't a minigame it's just a game designer cursing your very existence
 
I wonder how FE copes if you let major characters die. There must be a plot that relies on certain people being alive. Do you just lose the game if they die with permadeath on?
 
2:42 PM
Oh, that sounds even worse than FF7's
 
FFX takes the cake for worst minigames (granted they're only for ultimate weapons) in any FF unless FFX12 or 13 somehow have worse which I doubt
 
@BenBrocka I never even attempted this. What a waste of time.
 
@StrixVaria Now I imagine the screen suddenly fading to black: "DUDE MCIMPORTANT DIED. REDO FROM START"
 
The quest to get all the ultimate weapons in FFX was simply designed to take as much time as possible
 
@StrixVaria Some version make them "crippled" (can't be used in fights anymore, but hang around for cutscenes). Others just don't give a damn; their story ends right there.
 
2:44 PM
 
@StrixVaria the sad part is after spending hours playing insanely boring minigames your only thing to do with the weapons is spend hours fighting insanely boring Penance
 
@StrixVaria If Chrom (main character) or the avatar (your personal unit) dies, it's typically game over.
 
superbosses seem to have gone off the deep end of stupid after FF9
 
I'd love it if more RPGs would take the "Don't give a damn; dead is dead. Deal with it." approach, frankly.
 
2:45 PM
@5pike Yup. But IIRC those are the only two characters whose death means an instant game over
The rest of the cast are surprisingly expendable, in terms of the story
 
@MartinSojka I like the idea here, but it's hard to account for all the possible intersections of who is dead. Each new character doubles the space of possible sets of living characters.
 
@PrivatePansy Yeah, I think that's true. Others are just dead.
 
@MartinSojka I hate it because it either requires a much lower difficulty level, insane amounts of reloading, or it requires create-a-character and almost no attachment to characters
 
I can see why they don't, from a feasibility perspective.
 
Except the females, because you need them for eugenics.
 
2:46 PM
Actually, I just remembered - key storyline characters don't die, they just "retire"
 
the ability to revive makes battles mechanically different, as well as allowing the game in general to be much harder, since I can kill MOST of you in any given encounter and you can still carry on
 
So does FE play out differently depending on how the battles go?
 
You generally have to design a game where most people survive if permadeath + limited characters is going to be a thing
 
@StrixVaria I think only the epilogue is affected by the survival of members of your team
 
@BenBrocka So make it permadeath + unlimited characters, DF style. Works for me.
 
2:48 PM
@PrivatePansy That's a little disappointing I guess. Was hoping for higher replayability.
 
@MartinSojka limits storytelling ability then. It's a different rather than better situation
 
@BenBrocka I think I'll choose "insane amounts of reloading + extremely cheap and unavoidable death in a cutscene 50 hours in"
 
Although I guess that's similar to the Walking Dead games. The main story is the same, but only the smaller details are different depending on your choices.
 
In terms of story, it matters little who any random NPC is. They have a role and if they fail at it, the game can roll up a replacement.
 
@BenBrocka It is surprisingly easy to do, if you get the rhythm.
 
2:49 PM
@Frank doesn't make it any less boring or ridiculous
 
Bonus points if you take away control from the player during this cutscene who then does nothing to avoid that death and gets blamed for 30 hours afterwards for it in a extremely long jail escape derail
 
@StrixVaria The child mechanic of the game means you can get a different cast of character on replay. The difference they make to the actual story isn't hugely significant though, I believe
 
Why can't Hangouts have normal status options?
 
@PrivatePansy The child characters are OP as all hell.
 
I blame @strix
 
2:50 PM
@BenBrocka For a game with that much story, I'm willing to give it a pass.
 
As soon as I had a handful of them, I never used the old units.
 
Google pls y u do dis
 
@Frank If it were one minigame I might agree but there's several
 
I can't comment as my youtube channel anymore?
 
@3ventic wat
 
2:51 PM
@BenBrocka Very few are as annoying as that one. The one that annoyed me the most was the stupid Blitzball one.
 
especially if it were just blitzball, since it's actually a game (even though I dont' like it). But blitzball + lightning+chocobo racing and probably a few I'm forgetting
 
@OrigamiRobot I didn't even know it had status options at all.
 
@3ventic are you signed in? Sometimes it insists I sign in again
 
When I tried to reply to a comment on one of my videos, it asked me which user/identity/whatever I wanted to use to comment and gave my real name (= personal G+ account) as the only choice
and when I commented I got a notification about my own comment... facedesk
 
@strix well, it has that stupid mood shit
 
2:52 PM
Just want to finish Bravely Default so I can play Fire Emblem.
 
Oh, you need to make a "page" or whatever. It used to guide you to do that automatically to separate your YT account
 
Reasons why I never will play FF10 ever again - Tidus, Yuna, Waka, Rikku, temples, blitzball, sphere grid.
 
@OrigamiRobot Just found that. Will never use that feature.
@5pike Reasons you should play again: Auron.
My friend put a ton of hours into FFX (even getting all the final weapons), and he made blitzball look fun once you actually get into it.
 
my version of blitzball was to spam Sphere shot until I couldn't then pray they never scored
 
@BenBrocka This is surprisingly ineffective at higher levels.
 
2:54 PM
I really don't understand how Hangouts is supposed to be better than Talk in any way
 
I wouldn't be surprised
 
Also the FFX sphere grid was still way better than FFXIII's...thing. It was kind of like the sphere grid except each character had a unique one (i.e. no customization) and it was just a curvy line with no branching (i.e. no customization).
 
Jecht Shot and Jecht Shot 2 were almost required to actually get past all the defenders.
@StrixVaria Crystarium.
 
@OrigamiRobot The main advantage I see is that it syncs between devices. So if I'm mid-conversation on my computer and have to leave, I can still see the full conversation on my phone. Talk didn't do that.
 
2:55 PM
Except that has never ever worked for me
 
@OrigamiRobot It never worked on talk. It's never not worked with hangouts.
 
It never works in either for me
 
shrug
 
I get everything on my phone no matter what
 
@StrixVaria Ugh, that fucking thing, I swear to god. "Hey, what to spend your levels? Just pause the game and waste time putting spheres into a grid".
NO, thank you, never again.
 
2:57 PM
I get some stuff on my computer
 
@OrigamiRobot All stuff should go to every signed in device until you look at it on any device, and then the notification should go away on all other devices.
That's how it works for me, at least.
 
@5pike It seems neat but gets old fast, same in Xillia
 
I know that's how it's supposed to work, but it doesn't for me
 
@BenBrocka If you play through the story normally (I.E. just go and beat Sin), you will never go into the more detailed aspect of it (the one where you branch into other characters paths).
 
I mean spehere grid stuff in general
 
2:59 PM
Either give me points to allocate into Str/dex/int etc, or make it automatic.
And not give me the illusion of a choice
 
Xillia has sort of a super simple version of FFx's totally unlocked sphere grid. Was interesting at first but eventually I was just waiting and pressing "auto allocate" every half hour
 
@StrixVaria Oh, I'm sure it doesn't help that I'm still using Talk on my PC
Because Hangouts wont work.
 
@agent86 'Our public humiliation category is full'
 
(link is to news site, sfw except for the f-word with stars in it)
 
3:05 PM
@agent86 I thought they were kidding
 
@badp you opened something. I'm not talking to you. SHUN THE OPENER, SHUNNN
 
@OrigamiRobot That definitely is going to cause issues. Hangouts on PC has an awful UI, though. I honestly can't even comprehend how they were able to make it so bad.
 
@StrixVaria I am unable to use it at all.
 
@agent86 I didn't open it, I reopened it.
 
All I ever see is the "sign up with Google+" link that does nothing
 
3:08 PM
Jul 3 at 18:42, by agent86
death_list.add(name="badp", reason="Aggressive pedantry");
 
Jul 3 at 18:42, by badp
AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no attribute 'add'
 
Jul 3 at 18:42, by agent86
death_list.add(name="badp", reason="Aggressive pedantry");
INFINITE LOOP DETECTED
 
INFINITE LOOP RESOLVED: AGENT86 BANNED FOR 24 CENTURIES
 
@badp 24 CENTURIES DUNGEON
ALL THE STARS ARE BELONG TO ME
 
ONE YEAR IN THE TOON FACTORY!
 
3:12 PM
aight, as fun as tormenting you all is, I should probably work.
I'll probably be back in 5 minutes when I get distracted again, though.
 
I should probably work too, but then again, I have been working instead of looping.
 
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Q: How much gold and elexir can be stolen when raiding other players?

WarfaceI was wondering what's the max loot that can be stolen while raiding a player or while being raid by another player ? If I have 500k gold and 600k Elexir, would that mean that they can stole all my stuff ? If not what's the percentage or maximum amount to be looted ?

 
Grabbin'. That lowercase c looks nice.
Also, 37.6 MB zipped? wow.
 
@badp such glyphs
@badp it's exactly the same width as WenQuanYi Zen
 
3:27 PM
43 different fonts
 
I'm trying M+ 1mn
M+ 1mn light works well for me
 
@badp Protip: Don't enter exit() into sublime console
It doesn't like that
 
sounds spooky
 
>>> exit()
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
NameError: name 'exit' is not defined
Sublime 3059
 
3:42 PM
@BenBrocka Is this like Smash Bros where you can only be Kirby?
 
Yeah, it's a minigame in Kirby Triple Deluxe
different powoers are the differentm ovesets
It'd be a great standalone...if it had online
 
@badp 2
 
the downloadable game has some new stages and apparently bosses for single player but I'm still not very sold since I rarely do local multi anymore
 
@fredley -1
also this is the only way this font works for me on Windows
{
	"font_face": "M+ 1mn Regular",
	"font_options":
	[
		"gray_antialias"
	],
	"font_size": 11
}
although then I also get an actual bold font
I wonder if I shouldn't install that thing that makes Windows render fonts like OS X does.
I dunno how OS X renders fonts but I kinda prefer the way Ubuntu does.
 
Please stop uploading the game highlights to Pornhub... Our public humiliation category is full. #BrazilvsGermany
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loooooooool
 
3:52 PM
@GnomeSlice Oh, it's full? This requires further investigation. For science!
 
so much for MacType
 
Tales of Phantasia is getting axed on iOS.
So if anyone was playing it, you have until the end of the month to finish it.
 

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