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5:00 PM
Actually, TimStone is probably too far ahead to play with
What a jerk
 
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Q: Bloons Tower Defense 5

FreeAsInBeerDo you earn interest on your bank balance at the end of each wave? I know I get some amount of money after completing each wave, but I'm not sure if it's a fixed amount or variable, whether or not it increases as the game progresses or if it's tied to clearing a wave without letting any bloons th...

 
@Ben I wouldn't really call Programming "IT". It's not really the same category as what people think of as IT
 
@murgatroid99 what "people" think of as IT is rarely what IT is about anyway
 
@OrigamiRobot \o/
 
"oh, you work at IT? Can you fix my printer?"
 
Ben
5:02 PM
@Murgatroid once again, while you and I would be able to tell the difference, like @Chippies suggested. People (or "muggles") can't really tell the difference.
@Chippies "you work at IT?" Yup.. That sums it up
 
@Ben I really don't understand what you're getting at. Are you suggesting that all software engineers should know how to fix printers because that's what the "muggles" expect?
 
@Chippies No, but I'll make it play Doom
 
Ben
@Murgatroid I'm not saying that's what's required, but it's certainly what's expected in my experience.
 
@Ben OK, why should I care what misinformed people expect of me?
 
@murgatroid99 they sign your paycheck
 
5:06 PM
@Rapitor Not mine
 
Ben
@Murgatroid well then you're one of the lucky ones
 
@Batophobia but my printer doesn't even have a screen :P
 
@Chippies Prints 1 frame at a time
 
@Batophobia okay, that I do want
 
It seems kind of absurd to me that someone would pay a competitive software engineer salary to have someone do what they could probably pay half as much for
 
Ben
5:09 PM
Convenience. I'm already in the office, so it's easier to ask me to do it than to book someone else to come in when they're available...
 
@murgatroid99 I've pointed that out to my clients in the past. You are paying me three times as much as a regular employee - do you really want me to do that task?
 
@Ben But this means stopping whatever you were working on
Which, for programmers leads to:
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@chippies investing in that more primal chance ancient is really worth it. He's lvl 10 now, and it's raining primals.
 
Ben
They're paying me either way. I should mention I'm actually being paid hourly too...
 
@Arperum I recently started using this and it's good stuff
 
Ben
5:12 PM
@Batophobia every damn time...
 
@Chippies It want's me to spend half more of my souls...
 
@Arperum Is that Solomon?
 
@JasonBerkan No, atman.
 
@Arperum uncheck the " Include souls gained after ascension"
 
@Batophobia Joel refers to this as Human Context Switching
 
5:13 PM
and see what it tells you to level up
if it seems reasonable, do it
if it doesn't seem reasonable, it might be too early for you to use it
it also shows optimal ascension time at the bottom
if I ascend every 20 minutes, I can get 10k souls per hour
 
@Chippies it tells me to reduce my stacked souls to 250 from 440...
 
@Arperum save, follow instructions and see if it's an improvement
if it's not, import save
going from 440 to 250 is nothing if your farm efficiency is gonna improve
 
@Chippies It also tells mme my optimal ascension time is 6 minutes...
 
It's telling me to just get to 100 for 1 soul each time.
 
@Arperum at what level and how many souls does it say you would be getting?
 
5:16 PM
Does it take into account that it is physically impossible to play the game 24 hours / day?
 
@Chippies lvl 135 and 13 souls
 
I guess it's not viable for such early game
@JasonBerkan just because it's optimal, doesn't mean it's viable time wise
 
Ben
Well anyway, thanks for the chats guys. I think it's time I turned in. I'm already 5 hours late for bedtime :P
 
@JasonBerkan It tells you when to ascend?
 
@ori CLASSTIME
 
5:17 PM
@Batophobia for optimal soul farming, yeah
 
@Ben at that point just say screw it and stay up
 
Souls/hour: 2
Optimal level: 100, souls: 1, time: 39 minutes
 
the recommended ascension level is no good at early stages, I guess
 
I did 3/4 suggested things, but pushing kuwakamaru to max is crazytalk.
It did increase my dps though.
 
@Chippies It might be because it's not taking into account souls from hero levels, which are actually your primary source of souls early on.
 
5:18 PM
@StrixVaria yeah, definitely
Souls/hour: 13313
Optimal level: 600, souls: 4254, time: 19 minutes
this is for me, if I give the game a lot of attention
the suggestions seem reasonable for me, but I am not as early in the game as you guys
 
@Chippies comes through with a broom to sweep up the smug alllll over the place :D
 
I have 2 souls +6 if I ascend now
 
@James well, I figured a reference point would be useful
 
The game is a continuing list of exponential growth both in income and expense
Anywho have to drive to work now
 
I'll level kuwakamaru with souls from the next ascension and stuff, but not blasting everything away for just a few kills to do less.
 
5:23 PM
@Arperum I wouldn't bother maxing kuwakamaru until you can easily get to 200+
 
@Chippies That's the only thing that it is suggesting me right now.
 
@DwarfSlice Isn't that on the free weekend?
nope
 
@Arperum then you must be doing good with what you have
kuwakamaru is great and really speeds things up once the first 100 zones are just in your way
 
@Chippies It did also suggest to level silyatas and the other idle hero a couple times, but I did these.
I have him at lvl 1
 
5:27 PM
with maxed kuwa, you should be able to do 2-3 bosses in one skill spam
 
I was able to do 2 bosses with one skill spam at times before I even had him at lvl 1
 
 
@Arperum yeah, but it's MUCH easier when it's maxed :P
if you were killing 2 bosses with one skill spam without kuwa, you probably didn't need to spam skills to kill the bosses to begin with
 
@badp I can't imagine that being safe for human consumption... made with too much science
 
@murgatroid99 well, you have to do something with the old one
it's got important company secrets, and the gausser is all the way in the basement
 
5:32 PM
@Sconibulus Sure, but that task can be done independently of removing an old hard drive and installing a new one
 
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Q: Borderlands grenade damage per second

SamCan anyone tell me what the effective rate of fire is for grenade throwing, for working out how damage per second compares to guns?

 
@Rapitor But you get a portal device!
 
@Batophobia I should interrupt my fellow devs with this.
 
@Wipqozn you are a terrible person
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@Batophobia Thanks, I try.
 
5:37 PM
@Batophobia This is so relatable.
 
@Lazers Wait, what?
If your grenades aren't clearing a room you're doing it wrong
 
Not against a boss
I only played BL1, but we ran a 2-person team where one would kite the boss and the other would toss grenades on the kite path.
 
@PrivatePansy I don't think I ever had a grenade clear a room.
 
You can't hold that many grenades anyway
 
@Wipqozn lol I just did this. Posted it to our Slack
 
5:41 PM
@Frank The fireworks what's-it-name grenade that comes with BL2 pre-order and scales with player level does the trick pretty well, if the ceiling is low enough
Of course if the ceiling is low enough half the time I die together with the enemies
 
Primal on level 105, that's awfully nice
 
Grenades for me usually reliably destroy a small group
So clearing a small room isn't unreasonable
 
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Q: Minecraft won't work

becky1aon mac my mine craft is broken. The brake and place is the same button, although the strings say that place is button 2, aka right click, and button 1 is brake, aka left click, and i can't change it because it thinks left click and right click is the same button. How can i change this please?

 
I preferred the grenades that exploded into more grenades
 
@Batophobia A couple runs ago, I think all but two bosses after 100 were primals.
That was a nice run.
 
5:43 PM
Is there a treasure chest boss?
 
I need to get a better grenade mod. I don't like the bouncy ones
 
@Batophobia The one I mentioned is a MIRV
 
But it is a purple and it does so much damage
The problem with TPS is that fire weapons are almost useless
(they work only in oxygen zones)
 
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Q: The most owned games?

DavidYellDoes anyone know which user owns the most games on Steam? Is there anyone who owns every single game that Valve have? As there is the Steam Community pages it must be possible via the api to list users by size of library.

:|
 
(which makes sense, yes, I am aware)
 
5:45 PM
@Unionhawk That seems meh.
 
16 secs ago, by Unionhawk
(which makes sense, yes, I am aware)
 
@Unionhawk Making sense != having fun in a game.
 
Scientifically speaking, if they did work in a vacuum, complaints would be everywhere
Plus lasers set things on fire by default, and alot of enemies have lasers
 
@Frank This is something that people who make games have to start paying attention to.
 
@Unionhawk "We use something that works like fire, but isn't, and doesn't need oxygen"
 
5:46 PM
@StrixVaria lol
@StrixVaria Hey, have you had a chance to try Dustforce yet?
 
@DwarfSlice No I'm at work forever.
At least it feels that way.
 
@Frank There's only so much "stair-climbing-tire" magic solutions that can work
(for those of you wondering, yes, that's how claptrap can stairs, apparently)
 
@StrixVaria Not sure I get what you're saying. They should focus more on things making sense? Or figure out what's fun, and focus on that?
 
@Unionhawk There's reasonably large sections later in the game that are indoors
So they aren't completely useless, I guess
 
5:48 PM
oic
 
@Frank Games that sacrifice fun to stay realistic are dumb. That's what I was getting at.
 
They're more common, I feel like, and it really doesn't matter
 
@StrixVaria That I can agree with.
 
Fire tick isn't usually significant
 
5:48 PM
The damage is the same
 
Otherwise, you might as well build, "Shooting Simulator 2014"!
Now with moon gravity!
 
@DwarfSlice they should be paying players to play those travesties
 
No good?
 
just go play Witcher
 
@StrixVaria Except survival games. I mean, there's still a line, but they are generally more fun by being realistic.
 
5:50 PM
What is this 4100 thing I see mentioned in reference to Clicker Heroes?
 
The point is the challege.
 
@OrigamiRobot I still maintain my point. If the fun comes from the challenge, and realism adds challenge, then realism is fine. That said, survival games are one of my least favorite genres.
 
@SaintWacko I believe that's the point at which 4x and 10x bonuses stop.
 
A survival game can still be challenging and fun in a completely unrealistic scenario.
 
@Frank Yikes
 
5:51 PM
@StrixVaria Agreed, I have yet to play a survival game where I felt in danger
 
@StrixVaria I agree
 
@Rapitor not sure how you can compare those two games, Two Worlds is an ARPG, while Witcher is... I don't even know what it is, besides really boring
 
@Chippies its pretty much an ARPG as well
 
Two Worlds is not even worth playing for free.
 
@Rapitor except beyond story, there's nothing interesting at all
 
5:52 PM
@StrixVaria coughMinecraftcough
 
ARPG is such a huge bucket that describing something as an ARPG barely means anything.
 
(I am talking about first Witcher)
 
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Q: The most owned games?

DavidYellDoes anyone know which user owns the most games on Steam? Is there anyone who owns every single game that Valve have? As there is the Steam Community pages it must be possible via the api to list users by size of library.

 
I tried my best to finish Witcher, but I couldn't get past act 3 (or was it 4? don't remember)
it was just so much running back and forth in the city, playing a detective
 
5:55 PM
@Chippies That is act 2/3
 
in Two Worlds II I don't even remember what the story was about, because I was too focused on killing stuff and figuring out my build
in Witcher, your skill point choices barely made a difference in gameplay
you still had to use same attacks on some monsters and different attacks on others
the story was interesting, but it felt like it was dragging on too long and everything else was mediocre at most
some day I hope to get through it, so I can try Witcher 2, which supposedly is a much better game...
and then maybe one day I will get to Witcher 3
 
@Chippies You don't need to finish 1 to play the second one
 
Is it the weekend yet?
 
@MadScientist isn't there like, a continuing story of sorts?
 
@Chippies It's different enough that it doesn't matter much. You'll see some characters again, but you should have met those already early in the first game
 
5:59 PM
@MadScientist I see. Maybe I'll have to skip the second half of the first game and move straight for the Witcher 2
I made that decision with Saints Row 2 and it was the best decision I had made in a while
Saints Row 3 was awesome
 
It's the same world and you play again as Geralt, but it is a different story (though some similar aspects are touched on like elves against humans)
 
@MadScientist is the game more fun to play than first?
considering the first one was not fun at all after first few hours
 
You probably shouldn't ask me, I liked the first one quite a lot
 
@MadScientist did you do ALL the quests?
 
6:01 PM
if I had just done the main story quest line, I probably would have hated it less, lol
 
@Chippies Almost all of them, I think. It has been a while
 
@badp now that's worth it
 
The game certainly has some pacing problems, but I liked the world and story enough to not mind them all that much
 
@MadScientist The first Borderlands?
 
I think a big issue for me was that I got stuck on one quest for hours, running through the city, looking for an npc (which btw, wasn't where he was supposed to be, a bug of some sorts)
and I had to get a walkthrough to get past that
 
6:04 PM
@James Witcher
 
and it just burnt me out
 
Ahh
You guys have hopped through games in the chat scroll I see, I was not sure :D
 
I am not one for running around towns talking to npc's, I rather kill stuff
 
Ow this flu shot was more pain than normal :(
 
and Witcher, in my experience, didn't offer a good balance of those things
 
6:06 PM
@Chippies I think Wither 2 and definitely 3 are "tech demos with gameplay"
they look gorgeous.
 
@Rapitor That would be called: Games
:)
 
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Q: Why won't my villagers breed

Remco HaszingI have created the following structure. The intention is to create fairly compact houses for villager breeding. This is a section of the houses. I have 2 of these structures, which would resolve to 28 doors and 4 other types of houses meaning I have 32 houses in total. healed healed 3 village...

 
@James not really. Showing off tech shouldnt be the main focus in a game
 
@Rapitor do any other games use their engine though?
 
@Rapitor Yeahhhhh Farcry doesnt do that, nor call of duty... nor halo... nor... wait.. yeah every game does that :P
 
6:07 PM
@Chippies I'm not sure what the engine even is so idk
 
showing off tech is pointless if you're not licensing it to others
 
Yeah I can see those board meetings
 
@James call of duty shows off tech? HAH
 
We have this awesomely beautiful world rendering engine!
Really awesome
But..
Fuck that lets not use it
 
They don't sell the engine, the first one was licensed for sure, I don't know which one they used for the second one. Just because the Witcher games are prettier than the average RPG doesn't make them tech demos
 
6:08 PM
Lets make some piece of crap so people can focus on the story
 
Do primals flee if you fail to beat them once?
 
We dont want em sitting around complaining that the game looks too awesome
 
is CoD still running on the same engine from 10 years ago?
 
o.o
 
or did they switch to a new one yet?
 
6:08 PM
@Batophobia No
 
@Batophobia that would be silly and extremely bad design if they did
 
@James Call of Duty is a bit different. It's just a modified source engine (originally.. now it's probably its own proprietary engine) and single player setpieces were more for "theatrical excitement" now showing off tech.
 
@Rapitor source? I thought it used Quake 3 engine (first CoD)
and they kept adding stuff to it for years
 
Are you saying good design is a requirement or an expectation of an incremental?
 
@madsci Witcher 1 was the old Aurora engine from NWN believe it or not.
 
6:10 PM
CALL OF BATTLEDOODY BLOOPS 3 MAXIMUM NOSCOPE EDITION
 
@Chippies Everything uses modified Quake Engine if you want to go back that far
 
@Batophobia Not everything. Unreal Engine isn't based on it.
 
@Chippies it's what I thought, because Titanfall is modified source. Respawn are ex IW so they probably chose an engine they were familiar with, and since Titanfall plays and looks nearly identical to modern warfare it makes sense
 
@Batophobia I don't think that's true
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz I know, that's why I'm sure that one was licensed. I just don't remember what they used for the second one
 
6:11 PM
And the Unreal Engine is used pretty widely.
 
The IW engine is a game engine developed by Infinity Ward for the Call of Duty series. The engine itself is proprietary with inclusion of GtkRadiant by id Software. It has been used by Infinity Ward, Treyarch, Raven Software, and Sledgehammer Games. == History == The engine has arguably been distinct from the id Tech 3 engine on which it is based since Call of Duty 2 in 2005. The engine's name was not publicized until IGN was told at the E3 2009 by the studio that Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 would run on the "IW 4.0 engine". Development of the engine and the COD games has resulted in inclusion...
 
@badp Remember the Bulletstorm ad that was "Duty Calls"?
 
according to wiki, MW3 is the first one to have a brand new engine
 
Yeah, I understand game engines (no I don't)
 
@Batophobia SERGEANT OF MOST IMPORTANT SERGEANT OF SERGEANTS EXTREME or something
 
6:12 PM
@Chippies Yeah was going to say I am pretty sure IW was using their own engine
 
@Batophobia that demo, ad, thing was frigging amazing
 
@James which began as a modified id tech 3 engine
 
Pardon
 
they just kept adding to it
 
SERGEANT OF THE MASTER SERGEANT MOST IMPORTANT PERSON OF EXTREME SERGEANTS TO THE MAX
 
6:13 PM
@Ben nsfw
 
@dwarf no u
 
> Call of Duty is a computer/video game based on the Quake III Arena engine (id Tech 3)
@DwarfSlice what's nsfw about it?
 
@Chippies there's shit about boobs and condoms in it
 
@DwarfSlice it's a small part of text
 
I find it amusing that Riven was supposedly the first game that supported HDR lighting.
 
6:15 PM
besides, the link doesn't even take you to the actual thing
 
(Half-Life 2 being the second... 7 years later)
 
it takes you to reddit
 
@DwarfSlice Text isn't really NSFW unless someone is reading over your shoulder
 
Weird, I've been banned for text.
Just thought I'd warn people.
 
@DwarfSlice if boobs and condoms are the main thing about the text then probably it's nsfw
but if it's mentioned few times, it's not nsfw, imho
 
6:16 PM
@DwarfSlice Then you introduced that text into the chat, making this NSFW
 
imagine someone passing by your desk and having a quick glance at your screen. How likely is it that they are gonna see boobs and condoms? The answer to that is the same as the answer to "how nsfw is this?"
 
Is there some reason I wasn't supposed to warn people
 
Overreaction level: Bridge
 
drama++
 
@Unionhawk How is stating disagreement an "overreaction"?
 
6:19 PM
So
The Idle DPS Ancient
is freaking awesome
But it does seem to be in 100% conflict with Juggernaught
 
WHATEVER ARG WORDS
 
You would have to get a TON of clicks to equal the damage boost of the idle DPS AND have to keep con clicking continuously to make sure you do not lose them
Seems kind of like a waste of an ancient
 
The real question is why are we flagging messages from three months ago
 
The real question is why is that possible outside mod flags
Yes I am aware of your proposal on meta
 
@Unionhawk Cause that would be a waste of effort to lock flagging on things after X amount of time
I can see a person tasked with writing that code and going 'WTF, why do I have to do this again?' :D
 
6:27 PM
If you have to go to the transcript to find the message to flag, it's probably better handled by a mod rather than immediately
 
@Unionhawk figured people would be doing that asap
 
@DwarfSlice I've been banned for posting a Rebecca Black video. Which goes to show how stupid chat flags are in general.
 
@badp Isn't there a limit on that, I thought old messages couldn't be offensive flagged?
 
That's what I thought too. I thought it was like 14 days or something probably still too long
 
@MadScientist uh nevermind I misread
 
6:40 PM
@badp your right to be Wrong on the Internet is upheld
 
@Unionhawk thanks
 
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Granted, this would probably fit better on the RPG.SE rooms, but I don't feel like looking for them.
 
HOMETIME
 
Lucky
 
Cc @origamirob
 
6:51 PM
@Yuuki Unlucky at cards...
 
My dad just set a #1 highscore in turbo dismount except the internet was down so he was in offline mode and it didn't save
 
Our IT department just shot a super hokey zombie film to get into the Halloween spirit.
 
he just steam messaged me about it
 
It's so bad.
 
@Yuuki I have yet to get around to playing DnD. seems like fun.
 
7:02 PM
@Rapitor It really depends on the people since it's a largely person-dependent endeavor.
Each D&D campaign can and will be different. Some might suck, some might be awesome. It all depends on the people, moreso than most games.
 
@Yuuki I'm gonna be saving this for a meeting next week.
 
@Frank lol
 
@Yuuki that's a problem too. I lack friends
 
@Rapitor I'll be your friend!
 
@RPiAwesomeness :D
 
7:07 PM
I'd really like to play DnD
Or any tabletop RPG, really
 
@SaintWacko I've always wondered about that
 
@SaintWacko Yeah, that one attempt I tried just crashed and burned without even starting.
 
@SaintWacko You need to find a group that can really get into it.
 
Trying to decide whether to jump on a $200 i5-4690...or wait for the deals prior to thanksgiving...
curses. Why on earth did I spend $50 on a PSU...I could have got a just fine one (and modular at that) for way less.
Oh well, you learn as you go
 
That brings up the question... is there any online games that matches the tabletop DnD? I'd think there would be.
 
7:11 PM
@Rapitor I've heard of frameworks that allow you to play DnD online. Neverwinter Nights and similar games used DnD 2-3ed rules pretty closely. Haven't heard of an actual video game recently that does though.
 
@RPiAwesomeness you did not get a modular PSU :<
 
@juanvan nope :P
 
Staple of the home PC
 
facepalm
I thought (dunno how the heck I managed to think this) that you just needed a mobo + PSU to test for POST.
 
@Rapitor Skype.
 
7:13 PM
And, so I nabbed an 80+ gold Antec, non-modular...for $50.
Yeah...it's 80+ gold and 550W....but...gah I am berating myself so hard right now.
Maybe I could sell it...
 
Yep it should BIOS show - but it will BEEP no CPU and RAM
 
But the Neverwinter Nights multiplayer is probably the closest thing.
 
Bah
I've got a friend who's building a PC...maybe I can sell it to him...he'll use the 80+ gold + extra wattage more than me...
Actually, my case I want is on sale right now (yay!)
$10 MIR for Corsair 200R
I wonder if dual GTX-650s in SLI would work better than a single GTX 750 Ti...
If I had a SLI-compatible mobo that is
 
Yes it would - if they are the same GEN of VC
 
@juanvan Obviously
Sigh... and it would save me some money.
 
7:21 PM
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Q: Clash of Clans account set up

Vincent LavorgnaI made a clash of clans account on my android device using my brothers Google+ account. I got a new phone and when I go to try to get my village on the new device its says would you like to load "Kevin village" (my brothers village). I want to be able to get my village on there without having to ...

 
Dangit, wish I was able to get a better mobo :P
 
@DwarfSlice My dad did this. then he asked me "how can I make it widescreen?".
 
@DwarfSlice true, but I didn't film it
 
@DwarfSlice My phone camera is like a USB stick. No matter which way I turn it, the video records upside down.
 
7:29 PM
@DwarfSlice He looks so shaky once he goes into horizontal mode, though!
 
@Koviko he just got slapped in the face, man. you'd probably be shaken up too
 
Also, that image is already linked in the imgur comments for the thing you responded to.
So they've been notified.
Also, is the word asshole NSFW, per the conversation an hour ago?
 
@Koviko nah just boobs
 
@Koviko I'd say so
@Rapitor lol
 
moosik tiem
 
7:33 PM
@Rapitor ooo...new release?
 
@RPiAwesomeness new podcast
 
@RPiAwesomeness podcast is every week that is basically just a mix of good stuff. new album is next week
 
They have another new compilation album coming out already?
Can't keep up
 
@DwarfSlice 019 Endeavor
every 2-3 months is a new one
 
@Rapitor ah
 
7:35 PM
My problem is I buy the individual tracks and then I have like half the album when it comes out.
 
So, I be ordering the storage for my build
Hopefully
1TB WD Blue + 240GB PNY Optima
 
@AshleyNunn MISTRESS OF THE EMPIRE COMPLETE! BEGIN: MISTBORN
 
Here's hoping A) they don't sell out B) My parents don't say no
 
@DwarfSlice I just let the youtube ad revenue be my "support" with the amount of monstercat I listen to it probably more than covers it if I would've bought it.
 
7:37 PM
@DwarfSlice lol
I remember failing so hard at that on Telehack
 
I never known a game dev would have eye problems?
 
@DwarfSlice ah jeez I hate these. I'm so bad
 
I am playing a game with this Lead Game Developer who leads a whole Company making his own online space game
 
although the lord of the rings version is pretty darn hilarious.
 
Talking about how he had to get eye surgery :/
I feel pretty bad for him though :C
 
7:40 PM
There is one thing that I can think of that Microsoft should do to change Minecraft. Sell account cards, like the ones you can get for other online games.
 
Dangit sam. First you eavesdrop, then eat all the cookies, now you're murdering Frodo!
 
@RPiAwesomeness and Pippin has no idea what's going on
 
@Rapitor He must have had to much Pipeweed
What y'all think.. $30 for a Corsair 200R a good price?
excuse me, $50. Misread it
 
7:58 PM
Home time. Weekend time. Beer time!
 
@MBraedley GAME TIME!!!
 
@Unionhawk wat
 
Dunno
 
My steam connection died
 

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