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Michael Dunfield

4:02 PM

Paranautical Activity now available on Steam Early Access

RedRiderX

@MichaelDunfield About time I'd say.

Wait, it wasn't greenlit after all?

Wow.

fbueckert

@Wipqozn In fact, if you want, you can join us for the 50th anniversary episode!

Michael Dunfield

@RedRiderX They found a publisher.

There was a big kerfuffle over it.

People complained about finding publishers to bypass greenlight.

etc

Also apparently the devs are real jerks

Mana

@MichaelDunfield this seems pretty fun

Ben Brocka

Youtube isn't reporting 90% of my views in analytics, so that's cool

Michael Dunfield

4:08 PM

@Mana It's like a first person version of something like binding of isaac I guess.

Ben Brocka

@MichaelDunfield of paranautical? I follow Mike and he seems alright

Michael Dunfield

I should play it, I grabbed it on IGS a while ago.

@BenBrocka I don't know for certain either way, but indiegamestand.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=852

> I'd generally say the paranautical developers are just horrible to work with. Mike (spooder) seems to have been making a fuss out of everything prematurely, purely as a publicity stunt. Also given their past behaviour and overall reaction to criticism, i would without a doubt say that they are some of the most horrible indie developers i have seen, from a community standpoint.

Although the IGS guys had no problem with them.

Ben Brocka

Lots of people seem to hate indie devs for daring to say things aren't fabulous so I'm not sure I trust those concerns

Michael Dunfield

@BenBrocka Yeah, to be honest, me neither.

fbueckert

Oh, hey. Hovering over comments now adds "via SE Android Mobile" to some comments. I guess the Android app is coming along nicely.

Michael Dunfield

4:13 PM

Although that professor snake guy is a dev himself. I dunno if you've heard of Private Infiltrator @BenBrocka?

@BenBrocka forums.steampowered.com/forums/…

Ben Brocka

Nah haven't heard of it

Michael Dunfield

@BenBrocka desura.com/games/private-infiltrator

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Dystopian Nazi simulator?

Lazers

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Q: Help setting up USB joystick for Far cry 3 on PC

I am trying to set up my USB joystick to work with my Far cry 3 on my PC. But its not detected. One of my friend suggested that i should use x360ce to emulate the xbox controller to work in my PC. I have followed every instruction specified in the site. The x360ce.exe does recognize my joystick...

Wipqozn

@fbueckert I don't want to go to Moose country though.

I'll be attacked by polar bears.

Jason Berkan

4:28 PM

@Wipqozn Polar bears love turtles. Trust me!

fbueckert

@Wipqozn Wide open spaces! Fantastic horizons! Cold that will murder you if you give it a chance!

Michael Dunfield

@Wipqozn Wouldn't that be polar bear country?

FEichinger

@MichaelDunfield With a lot of GDR mixed in. Horrible portrayal of whatever it is trying to shoot for, I'd wager.

Michael Dunfield

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@FEichinger Yeah, probably.

This reminds me of Metal Drift

@Lesspop_MoreFizz theverge.com/2013/9/5/4660318/…

Wipqozn

@MichaelDunfield don't be silly.

Michael Dunfield

4:41 PM

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A: How do I Know if I'm Dead?

You get a quite obvious notification, the next time you log in. Borrowing from our Die2Nite chat room: (Yes, I stole once. What of it?)

Who was user 56?

designbeep.com/2013/09/05/showcase-inspiring-umbrella-logos

FEichinger

@MichaelDunfield ArdaXi originally?

Private Pansy

@Lazers I don't think "emulation" is the correct term here

Michael Dunfield

@FEichinger Oh, maybe yeah.

Wait, this is made by Skoda?

...wtf?

skoda.co.uk/news/vRS-Man-Pram

> The top five additions they would like to see were listed as: muscular design (25%), large alloy wheels to give enhanced height (22%), hydraulic suspension system (16%), high spec brakes including brake lights (15%) and wing mirrors (12%).

hahahahahahahahaha

FEichinger

@MichaelDunfield Masterfully trolled.

Michael Dunfield

I think they really made this thing.

I googled it and there's a bunch of news places that wrote about it.

That's hilarious.

gizmag.com/skoda-manly-baby-stroller/28467

FEichinger

4:50 PM

@MichaelDunfield Yeh, I meant trolled by the surveyed people. :P

OrigamiRobot

@Wipqozn Am I still doing work in XCOM?

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot Yeah, you're awesome.

Haven't palyed today, though. Planning to soon.

kalina

yay, now I have the fun of moving 3tb of data around so I can swap these disks around

OrigamiRobot

518/931GB free

I've had this HDD for like 5 years.

fbueckert

Interesting. Someone in my city is challenging the fact that he has to mow the boulevard, even though it's not his land.

Michael Dunfield

5:02 PM

@FEichinger Oh, yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

Jason Berkan

FEichinger - the site that our young friend linked to is just drop rates, nothing else. I have no idea where he is getting his CPH thoughts from. I've never heard of such a thing (and Googling turned up nothing), but I haven't played Runescape in 3 or 4 years.

Decency

@badp I explained in full that there's no clear reason to me that any game should be off limits simply due to being unreleased, if valuable and otherwise valid questions can be asked of it. If someone is asking questions about the next version of Dota2 and Icefrog has posted details about what he's trying to change, that's both a completely valid and very interesting question, to me.

Michael Dunfield

@Decency Information can be asked of things, but depending on how widely available the release is, information may not be able to be provided about it.

Tiny and Big is on sale for 75% off on Steam!

OrigamiRobot

OOOOHHHHHHHHH WE GOT TRICKED

Jason Berkan

Nicely played.

Sepia Lazers

5:08 PM

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Q: Questions about less popular games

If I'd like to ask something about a game that is less (or absolutely not) popular, can it be too localized? I mean, these questions can be of the type that only provides a solution for me, if I'm the only one who is strongly interested in that game. I can expect that I won't get answer, but t...

discussion questions

Coronus

Well played.

Michael Dunfield

How did all of the stars disappear immediately?

Tiny and Big is on sale for 75% off on Steam!

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Jason Berkan

Room owner, I would guess.

Michael Dunfield

My favourite game of 2012.

You guys are the worst

OrigamiRobot

Tiny and Big is amazing and you should all buy it. 75% off

Michael Dunfield

5:12 PM

ಠ_ಠ

FEichinger

@JasonBerkan Ah, okay. Makes the question no better, though.

Do actually @-ping me, btw. I'm not watching at all times. ;)

Jason Berkan

@FEichinger Thought I did. My bad.

@FEichinger In general, the question is fine. "Where can I go in the game to maximize my chances of obtaining X?" He's just got some odd restrictions in it.

FEichinger

@JasonBerkan Which is basically just drop rate + easy access.

Jason Berkan

There's an extra ping to make up for the missed one.

FEichinger

So it really is "go through the list and find the max value" then.

Michael Dunfield

5:15 PM

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Jason Berkan

@FEichinger No, because you do have to take into account how difficult it is to kill each monster, as well as their spawn rates.

And how close they are to a bank.

OrigamiRobot

I want to play a city building game again :(

Michael Dunfield

@OrigamiRobot Gnomoria

fbueckert

I think the whole thing is being obfuscated by that charms per hour deal.

@OrigamiRobot Anno.

Any of them.

FEichinger

@fbueckert That as well, definitely.

fbueckert

5:17 PM

I have no idea if that's a standard for Runescape at all.

Or if it's just limited to that single site.

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot Banished whenever it's released should be excellent

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OrigamiRobot

Zeus: Master of Olympus

Zeus: Master of Olympus is the fifth full title of the City Building Series developed by Impressions Games and published by Sierra Entertainment. Like previous titles, Zeus focuses on the building and development of a city in ancient times, this time in Ancient Greece. It features some changes to the Caesar III engine, most notably the new housing blocks, now dividing "common" and "elite" housing from the start, and more detailed walkers. Game mechanics For a detailed overview of city building mechanics, see Series concepts and mechanics As with other games in the series, the player ...

Michael Dunfield

@Wipqozn @OrigamiRobot Also this

fbueckert

@OrigamiRobot Oh, hey, if you like that, try Pharaoh.

OrigamiRobot

That's the one I played way back when

fbueckert

5:20 PM

Pharaoh (video game)

Pharaoh is an isometric city-building game set in Ancient Egypt created by Impressions Games and published by Sierra Entertainment for Microsoft Windows. It involves the construction and management of settlements and cities in ancient Egypt, and is the first such themed game in the City Building series. The game was released on October 31, 1999, and was later complemented with an expansion pack, Cleopatra: Queen of the Nile, developed by BreakAway Games the following year. Both the original game and expansion pack are commonly referred to, and may be purchased as one, under the title...

Wipqozn

@fbueckert I've heard several good things about this game.

fbueckert

@Wipqozn It is extremely good.

And bloody addictive.

I think I got @agent playing on it a while ago.

OrigamiRobot

@fbueckert I think there was a demo of that with Zeus

Kevin van der Velden

Morning bridge

Michael Dunfield

@OrigamiRobot reprisaluniverse.com/site

agent86

5:22 PM

@fbueckert I played it for a bit. I don't think I finished it, though, too much other stuff!

fbueckert

@agent86 I haven't even finished it.

I just pick it up periodically to play.

agent86

just the other day I won some GoG code for the original fallout, and then I logged in and I still haven't even downloaded Alpha Centauri, and that's sad :(

fbueckert

@agent86 Too many good games, not enough time!

agent86

@fbueckert indeed, good sir. through some dastardly turn, publishers saw fit to clutter my summer with too many fun games. usually this part of the year is reserved for picking up/renting older games that I didn't buy at release... I still have FC3 and AC3 on my "wish list" as it were

fbueckert

The answer is clear: quit your job and neglect your family. Play video games all day long!

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agent86

5:24 PM

instead, I am stuck, stuck I say, playing the awe inspiring Saints Row 4. oh, the humanity :(

Kevin van der Velden

@agent86 inhales in shock such horror :o

agent86

I also just grabbed a translation patch for the DS remake of SaGa 3, of which the original GB version is probably in my top-10 games of all time. Don't know when I'm going to have time for that, even.

OrigamiRobot

@agent86 How much like Crackdown is this game?

agent86

@OrigamiRobot I've not played Crackdown; EBongo is co-oping SR4 with me and he says there are a lot of similarities in terms of "agility orbs" and so forth.

fbueckert

@agent86 My 3DS sits neglected for the most part.

agent86

5:27 PM

I find it very similar to, say, inFAMOUS and Prototype

there's also parallels to SR3, from which it inherits its map among other things

OrigamiRobot

I usually hate GTA clones, but Mercenaries and Crackdown have been exceptions

agent86

tiddy and I were discussing it, and we came up with "saints row 3 is to saints row 4 as fallout 3 is to fallout: new vegas"

@OrigamiRobot did you ever play either of the prototype games? they're rather good, imho.

the "locomotion" mechanics of "you run really effing fast and jump really effing high" are entertaining

OrigamiRobot

I played the first one.

fbueckert

@agent86 I tried the first one; found it got rather monotonous pretty quickly.

agent86

in SR4 you can still jack cars and shoot guns and stuff, but it's all a level of absurd above and beyond

OrigamiRobot

5:30 PM

I want the goofiness of Crackdown.

agent86

during character creation you have a choice of 7 voices. 3 men, 3 women, and Nolan North

OrigamiRobot

"I'm bored. Let me pick up this car and throw it as far as I can"

Nolan North? swoon

agent86

Nolan North often breaks the fourth wall. "OH YEAH, THATS HOW NOLAN ROLLS"

OrigamiRobot

He is the best Deadpool voice.

agent86

well, in SR4 you can pick up cars and throw them, you can also pick things up and drain their life, or use your TK for mind control

Decency

5:31 PM

@MichaelDunfield Yes, that is my determination here as well. But according to consensus, that information actually can't be asked of things. Which is a problem, to me.

agent86

you've got power stomps (several different elements), a "blast" power, and a "buff" that gives you a damaging aura, of several different types

plus a crazy assortment of weapons, including, might I add, a purple tentacle that is a clear DotT reference

fbueckert

Didn't SR4 just release DLC with a dubstep gun?

Kill people with dubstep!

OrigamiRobot

sigh I might need this game.

DragonLord

Final Fantasy III for Android updated:

> Support has been added for devices equipped with the x86 processor.

agent86

the base game comes with the dubstep gun, with 3 songs. the DLC adds 3 more songs and skins

OrigamiRobot

5:33 PM

It makes me mad because I hate GTA games.

DragonLord

Just how many people are running Android-x86?

Unionhawk

It's a whole lot of mindless fun, I've got to say.

agent86

cars are more or less just there for the lulz

like, in the first 10 minutes they hand you a tank and a VTOL warship you can call whenever you want

Unionhawk

Mindless in that you can steal a car in front of a cop and he doesn't give a shit.

DragonLord

I'm not sure why Square Enix is pushing Android-x86 support...

Any thoughts?

agent86

5:34 PM

instead of taking cars to your garage to "save" them it's just a button, wherever you are

Kevin van der Velden

Heh, fastest way to get my friends to start dota, start saints row 3 :)

Unionhawk

@agent86 Yeah, and those abilities were much later game in SR3. Hell, Nitrox on every car is level 2

agent86

@Unionhawk yeah, it's like they're like "screw balance. here's some fun toys. go blow stuff up"

OrigamiRobot

Any fans of Nolan North should watch Hulk vs. Wolverine

Kevin van der Velden

@Unionhawk well, it was originally an add-on

Unionhawk

5:35 PM

@agent86 Which is what made it all so mindlessly fun.

@KevinvanderVelden You can use it as an add-on too, but there's an upgrade that makes literally every car you step into immediately have nitro. That upgrade was there in SR3, but you needed level 35 or so to get it

agent86

indeeeeed

Kevin van der Velden

@Unionhawk and it's so much fun in SR3 =p

OrigamiRobot

@agent86 That's why I like Mercenaries

agent86

@OrigamiRobot yeah, I feel like I played the first game of this series and not the second. Just Cause 2 was also good in this vein.

Ben Brocka

@DragonLord Dunno...would it make it easier to develop cross-compatible apps? I mean android apps would still have to be Java anyway, right?

OrigamiRobot

5:38 PM

@agent86 Mercenaries 2 was blegh

fbueckert

So much spam lately.

agent86

@OrigamiRobot blegh. I guess I shouldn't be sad I missed it then :(

Ben Brocka

Hm. Debating getting a super cheap ultraportable laptop and making a second desktop for Big Picture and constantly recording HDMI capture instead of the gaming laptop

I could probably get both the cheap laptop and the medicore desktop for the cost of a single gaming laptop but they'd each do their respective tasks a bit better

Powerlord

I overheard one of my coworkers saying something like "MS Paint wars" to another coworker.

Wipqozn

asdasdasd

fuck this game sometimes

90% chacnxe to stun, and failed again.

That's the third time in a row I've faield with 80% or above.

Jason Berkan

5:48 PM

Reload and try again!

fbueckert

@JasonBerkan Silly alchemist.

You know that doesn't work.

Jason Berkan

I was actually reading the forums on that mod Wipqozn mentioned yesterday, and was saddened at the number of people that consider the seed being saved a bug.

There should be a "make every attack 100% to hit" option for newbs.

OrigamiRobot

@Wipqozn Did I do bad? ._.

Jason Berkan

In my current playthrough, my heavy missed with her first 3 rocket attacks (at 90% to hit).

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot NO, it wasn't you.

Ben Brocka

5:51 PM

@JasonBerkan the PRNG seed is saved? Not sure if I'd call it a bug but that's a shitty PRNG

Jason Berkan

@BenBrocka It's saved. If you don't save scum, you don't notice.

One of @Sterno's best comments was on a question we had about it.

Ben Brocka

@JasonBerkan Still not very random, and that's abusable in it's own way too

Wipqozn

asdkjasldk, I forgot my guy was wielding a pistol

FML

Ben Brocka

save > Oh this attack misses > load > do something else

Jason Berkan

I would say it is not the game that is cheating, but the person who keeps trying to save and reload hoping for a different outcome! :) — Sterno Oct 11 '12 at 19:29

Ben Brocka

5:54 PM

It's not that the game is cheating, it's that it's shitty PRNG, and abusable to boot

Wipqozn

finalyl, fuck.

If I failed anohter 80%+ chance I was going to punch an orphan. In the face.

Also, @OrigamiRobot, I would never have you stu an alien. You're too valuable to risk losing at a botched stun attempt.

OrigamiRobot

@Wipqozn cc @spugsley

@Wipqozn :D

Wipqozn

I usually try and do it so that I can just kill the guy / can live if the stun fails, but sometimes soldiers feel like missing all the 90% shots.

Jason Berkan

@BenBrocka So what isn't a shitty PRNG? If it's perfectly random, it's abusable. If it uses a fixed seed, it's abusable.

Ben Brocka

Oh is this Xcom? Xcom has always seemed to have an unusual definition of over 50% meaning "it might hit if you're extremely lucky"

badp

5:56 PM

AAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH

Wipqozn

@BenBrocka pfft, Iron Man all day long.

badp

I feel like I've only just started my internship and I'm already 1/8th of my way through it

Wipqozn

ALL DAY LONG

Ben Brocka

@JasonBerkan Being able to know exactly what to expect is generally much more abusable than not knowing what to expect

OrigamiRobot

Does anyone want a copy of XCOM? I got it as a bundle and I will never play it.

badp

5:56 PM

1,000 hours remain

ONE THOUSAND HOURS REMAIN

Lazers

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Q: Who was the composer of the music of Cyberlords: Arcology?

Cyberlords: Arcology is a 2010 game for Symbian (and later, Android) mobile phones, made by Handy Games. I could not find any actual credits about this game, so I'd like to ask, maybe someone may have an answer: who made the soundtrack of this game?

android

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Q: When does Navi to talk to me?

Note: I haven't played through the game so try not to spoil anything. I just started playing the game again, and though one big complaint was that she talked too much I actually like her. So is Navi on a timer or how does it work? I know that there are some events where it'll triggers her "List...

zelda-ocarina-of-time

Ben Brocka

@badp extremely far away moon looms

badp

@BenBrocka the moon might just be entering the solar system

wait does that mean I get to replay through the internship time and time again until I stop sucking?

I need to code myself an ocarina of time.

Wipqozn

oh god, mission done.

That's a relief.

things were looking pretty grim there for a bit.

4/6 squadmembers were wounded. Basically everyone who isn't a sniper.

yay, I fially captured an alien and can research Plasma weapons!

and now I can build the firestorm!

Ben Brocka

Do teammates still immediately shoot all other teammates 1 turn after leaving the ship in new X com?

Wipqozn

6:01 PM

Although it's not as valuable now that I realize I can actually build inteceptors.

@BenBrocka They can when they panic.

Ben Brocka

I found it very frustrating that the only time my team could hit something was when they were shooting their teammates

There was too much randomness for a "tactical" game for me

Young Guilo

I have a problem.... I like video games.

ToxicFrog

@BenBrocka as far as I can tell, the only thing missed shots will hit in XCOM is terrain. They'll never hit other enemies or allies. :/

Young Guilo

Can anyone help me?

Jason Berkan

The tactical part of the old game was overrated, in my opinion.

Sconibulus

6:05 PM

@YoungGuilo Your problem is that you think liking video games is a problem

Ben Brocka

@ToxicFrog No I mean aim 3 shoots at alien with 90% accuracy = miss, panic and shoot 5 times, hit 4 allies

OrigamiRobot

@YoungGuilo Video games are off-topic in The Bridge.

ToxicFrog

@BenBrocka panicking only happens at the start of the turn.

Sconibulus

oh, wow, what happened to all of our tags?

Ben Brocka

I know, but my team seemed to only be able to aim while panicking and shooting their teammates is what I mean

ToxicFrog

6:07 PM

@BenBrocka also, the % ratings in X-COM are, not to put too fine a point on it, complete bullshit; they're basically "theoretical chance to hit a human-sized standing target 20m away"

Jason Berkan

@ToxicFrog Ben's talking about the old game.

OrigamiRobot

@Wipqozn only gets a pass because this is his "Get out of jail free" day.

ToxicFrog

@JasonBerkan So am I.

Jason Berkan

In the old games, missed shots could hit anything.

ToxicFrog

@BenBrocka So a 90% chance to hit a sectoid on the other side of the map is actually much, much lower

fbueckert

6:07 PM

@YoungGuilo You have the same problem as the rest of us, then.

Ben Brocka

@ToxicFrog I know, I always did the burst shot and got as close as possible because aiming was near-impossible

fbueckert

Welcome to Video Games Anonymous!

ToxicFrog

@BenBrocka while a 10% chance to hit the guy standing in front of you is basically 100%

@JasonBerkan yeah, sorry, my initial comment about missed shots was in reference to XCOM. Everything else I'm talking about is X-COM./

@BenBrocka this is one of the things I hope openXcom fixes at some point - either give per-target accuracy, or display it as spread rather than hit%

@BenBrocka anyways, berserking tends to result in casualties more often than you'd expect, because your guys are generally more tightly packed than the human-alien distance.

Ben Brocka

yeah, and there's less space for the bullets to miss due to spread anyway

Jason Berkan

@ToxicFrog I've never noticed this. Standard strategy was to put your guys who could shoot kneeling outside the ship, while your crap guys found the aliens. I always fired 80% shots across the map and got kills.

ToxicFrog

6:10 PM

Solution: spread out more, don't give AoE weapons to people with poor morale, try to avoid having high ranking officers chow down on plasma

Ben Brocka

I just found it an extremely frustrating game mechanic that's pretty much completely unnecessary

Retrosaur

Anyone see GnomeSlice

why can't I ping him O.O

ToxicFrog

@BenBrocka I rather liked it - panic and flee are much more likely than berserk anyways

And the thing to keep in mind is that, unlike in the new one, the aliens use the same mechanics

So as your squad improves, not only will they have morale failures less often, but the aliens will have them more

Ben Brocka

@ToxicFrog In the original? Mine seemed to ALWAYS start shooting when they panicked

ToxicFrog

The sweetest moment is when you're a few turns into the final mission and you get the message ETHEREAL COMMANDER HAS PANICKED

Ben Brocka

6:11 PM

aliens could panic? Guess I never got good enough stats to cause that

RedRiderX

@Retrosaur I'm afraid Gnomeslice is... gone.

Ben Brocka

@gnomeSlice was brutally murdered by @MichaelDunfield

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ToxicFrog

Or when you're assaulting a landed battleship and you get MUTON LEADER HAS GONE BERSERK and then the entire upper deck of the battleship just...vanishes, because he was carrying a blaster bomb launcher.

Retrosaur

@BenBrocka OMG THATS HIM OMG

RedRiderX

@BenBrocka I thought he was mortally wounded by @AshleyNunn's Hug Gun.

badp

6:12 PM

@BenBrocka murder? We should give that @MichaelDunfield a promotion.

oh wait

ToxicFrog

@BenBrocka there's three possibly outcomes - panic (stand in place, TU=0), flee (drop everything in hands, run in a random direction), or berserk (open fire at whatever's in front of you until you run out of ammo or TUs)

It's a 1/3 chance of each, so generally one in three morale failures will result in gunfire.

Ben Brocka

Maybe I just only remember the berserks, they were certainly the most memorable

ToxicFrog

Anyways - all units start out with a morale of 100 and there's no chance of a morale failure until it's <50, which will take at least two deaths from your squad in the theoretical worst case (the two highest ranking x-com officers in the world both dying in front of a rookie with bravery 1) and in practice will generally take a bunch more - and killing aliens counterbalances that.

So at the point where your squadmembers start panicking and berserkering, you'

re generally pretty screwed already.

RedRiderX

New Humble Weekly Bundle includes AI War: Fleet Command, A Valley Without Wind 1/2, Tidalis, Skyward Collapse, and a ton of soundtracks.

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Wipqozn

@ToxicFrog That sounds a lot better.

The current panic system is dumb. A soldier gets shot, and the whole squad panics. IT's stupid.

badp

6:18 PM

@RedRiderX the meh factor is high on this one

ToxicFrog

(this is of course ignoring psi attacks, which bypass morale entirely and are a straight opposed roll using psi strength and skill)

@Wipqozn er...that is the current panic system.

RedRiderX

@badp AI War and AVWW?

badp

@RedRiderX never heard of either before

RedRiderX

I don't know what Skyward Collapse is like.

Wipqozn

@ToxicFrog I'm talking about in te new game, not the orignal.

ToxicFrog

6:19 PM

@badp Worth it just for AI War.

badp

AI War looks like strategy, so the meh factor is infinity

ToxicFrog

It's a co-op RTS.

Wipqozn

The chance to panic is a lot, lot high int he new one.

badp

yep, RTS.

RedRiderX

@ToxicFrog What I hear from a lot of people.

badp

6:20 PM

Infinity meh

ToxicFrog

@Wipqozn I don't think I ever saw anyone panic in the new game

@Wipqozn but then, I only lost six troops over the course of the entire game, and three of those were the mandatory tutorial casualties

OrigamiRobot

Huh, apparently I was misremembering OoT. Must be time to play again.

Sterno

@JasonBerkan All of my comments are the best comments.

Wipqozn

@ToxicFrog Yopu don't need to lose soldiers for soldiers to panic.

ToxicFrog

@Wipqozn also, remember that in the old one a typical starting squad size is 10-14, so you can lose, say, 7 squad members, and you'll still have seven left to panic.

Wipqozn

6:21 PM

Getting shot is enough for the entire squad to panic when the team is rookies.

ToxicFrog

Whereas in XCOM that would be a TPK.

Aah. Yeah, never had that happen.

badp

uh, AWVW is a platformer

ToxicFrog

(in X-COM, getting shot and hit can make someone panic, but only the person who was hit)

RedRiderX

@badp Yeah, kind of a side-scrolling action rpg.

ToxicFrog

AVWW is kind of a clusterfuck, sadly. Great idea that they lost track of somewhere in development.

RedRiderX

6:22 PM

@ToxicFrog Yeah, that's true.

ToxicFrog

I don't know if AVWW2 fixes things, haven't tried it yet.

RedRiderX

@ToxicFrog Yeah, they gave it to everyone that bought the first one too, yeah?

badp

so there's a few people playing the violin below the office, and... they went from playing classical to playing Adele

why.

RedRiderX

Also I think there are demos for all of those games on their website, so you could always try those out if you want.

The AVWW demo was very generous.

Wipqozn

I hate the "aliens get a free move when you see them" thing.

ToxicFrog

6:25 PM

That drove me a bit crazy, yeah.

Michael Dunfield

@Decency There's no point asking about something that can't be answered.

Wipqozn

I understand why they do it, because aliens just stand around waiting for you, but it's still annoying.

Michael Dunfield

@Retrosaur What's up?

ToxicFrog

Although it's kind a good thing that chrysalids got nerfed as hard as they did, because otherwise them getting a free move into the middle of your squad as soon as you see them would be a TPK every time.

@Wipqozn see, to me, the answer there is not to have them just stand around waiting for you!

Wipqozn

@ToxicFrog You're correct.

They shouldn't be standing around, I'm just pointing out that the fgree move is really a symptom of another problem.

ToxicFrog

6:27 PM

In X-COM they would move around, set ambushes, kill all the civilians before I even got within sight

Ok, that last was kind of annoying

But to be fair, the aliens killing them just means I don't get bitched out for killing them all with high explosives a few turns later

OrigamiRobot

@MichaelDunfield You aren't getting what he's talking about.

Wipqozn

soldiers missing 88% shots is the worst.

Michael Dunfield

@OrigamiRobot Sorry.

@RedRiderX Have you played AVWW?

I feel like I should have enjoyed it when I played it last but I just couldn't get into it.

I mean I enjoyed it.

But I didn't really feel compelled to keep playing it.

RedRiderX

@MichaelDunfield I've played a few hours of the demo.

Wipqozn

Making the 58% chances makes up for it.

Michael Dunfield

6:30 PM

@RedRiderX What do you think?

Adventures of Shuggy featured on IndieGameStand

Wipqozn

holy shit, I wish Vhalen would shut up.

yes yes, capture he alien. I get it. Stop telling me.

Ben Brocka

What high end but hopefully not pointlessly expensive Intel processors should I be looking at?

RedRiderX

@MichaelDunfield Like ToxicFrog said, it does seem to have a lot of disparate ideas and art-styles all kind of mashed together (which actually sounds a bit like the main story line).

And while on some level stuff works together and the combat and stuff feels cool. There are also a lot of times where all the disparate systems and their learning curves and idiosyncrasies start to drag you down.

Not to mention the fact that I can't help but imagine that, apart from the random-gen bit, that this kind of hot-key combat arpg has been beaten to death by countless WoW clones and the like.

Lazers

2

Q: How do I dual wield weapons?

I'm not sure how I can equip a weapon in each hand. Like a dagger/dagger combination, or a sword/dagger combo. How can I do this?

skyrim

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Q: Get more visitors in Krustyland

In the Simpson's Tapped Out, how do I get more people walking around the amusement park? I'm not talking about the Simpson's characters that also appear in Springfield, I'm talking about the random characters