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6:03 PM
Odin Sphere is Vanillaware. Very good.

I'm just not sure on RoR. Survival Horror. Mediocre reviews from critics, but mostly good reviews from fans. http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-2/rule-of-rose A common complaint is poor gameplay, but good story. @$20, I'm considering it.
 
6:19 PM
@Fluttershy What if it's Radiant Historia, which is both by Atlus and a bizarre JRPG?
 
I forgot how to format chat links. :(
 
[like this](link here)
 
Okay, I have no idea what's happened.
Everything I know is wrong!
Okay, I found my problem.

Shift + Enter makes links funky.
 
6:38 PM
@RavenDreamer Multiline Markdown is not supported.
 
So I've learned.
 
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Q: Witcher 2 won't start

SpectroWhen I try launch Witcher 2, it gives me an error that says "Failed to start game (missing executable). I've tried verifying the game cache.

0
Q: Effect of not calling Sarah

AtlasEUAt the beginning of the game, when you arrive on 4th Echelon, there is a phone where you can call your daughter Sarah. After this there is an info box that say you can call Sarah after each mission that you go on, to keep in touch. What happens if you don't call Sarah during the game?

 
@RavenDreamer You wouldn't believe how often I say that.
 
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It's people like this that make me love StackExchange:
 
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A: Do faucets actually work?

Nate EldredgeThere is no danger in providing your Bitcoin address. For sites that use inputs.io, certainly you have to provide some way for them to know which account to credit. The security of that account depends on the strength of your password, and how much you trust inputs.io. A more fundamental proble...

 
6:53 PM
@Powerlord My guess is they would both enjoy it.
 
7:11 PM
8 mins ago, by GnomeSlice
wat
 
@GnomeSlice yes
 
> Hightower and AxialMatt take a look at a 100% accurate recreation of horse racing in Japan.
 
@skovacs1 lolololwhat
Oh my God there are so many videos of this
64 of them
My life is over
 
a real upset
 
7:19 PM
@skovacs1 Amazing.
 
These are just too good.
 
@skovacs1 The second one I linked is the entire playlist.
Starting at #1
 
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Q: What happens if you are left behind on a mission in Warframe?

Shadow ZorgonOn Warframe, what happens if you are left behind during the extraction when the timer runs out? On a VOID KEY mission, all that happened was that I lost the money reward, but what happens on a normal mission? Is it the same, or do you not get anything at all and it is considered a mission fail?

 
7:41 PM
I'm not even sure why I still have Cookie Clicker open; I've bought all the upgrades possible.
 
@fbueckert all 39?
 
@skovacs1 40/41
I'm missing one, but for the life of me, I can't figure out what it is.
 
@fbueckert They updated?
 
@skovacs1 Yup
 
@fbueckert Holy! My time machines now cost 270 billion, but I'm getting 42 million/second
 
7:48 PM
@skovacs1 How many do you have?
 
@GnomeSlice Time machines? 55
 
Nice...
I've only got 35
 
I have a new KSP series. You guys should check it out:
3
</shameless plug>
 
@MBraedley I've played KSP for all of 20 minutes and haven't made it into space yet outside a tutorial. What's the relative difficulty of what you're trying to do in this series?
 
@StrixVaria Very high. He's trying to get to a moon of saturn or something, land, and return home.
 
7:51 PM
@StrixVaria The first several episodes are maybe 2 or 3 times as hard as just getting into orbit. Actually landing on Tylo will be about 10 times as hard as landing on Mun, and that says nothing about getting off Tylo
 
Sounds like a big undertaking.
 
@StrixVaria It will be. But there's a lot of prep work to do before even attempting the landing.
 
@MBraedley Did you do this initial launch without any of those stabilizer things?
 
@skovacs1 So what upgrades do you have left to buy?
 
8:01 PM
@StrixVaria I have a single advanced stabilizer (old ASAS), and two reaction wheels.
 
@fbueckert I was building up enough to buy the golden cookie that used to cost 100 billion. Now that I've updated, just the last 2 for 50 billion. Not sure about 41. Either we need a lot of cursors or a lot of cookies I'm thinking.
 
@skovacs1 One trillion cookies.
That'd be amusing.
I don't even have the golden cookie upgrade.
 
HI
GUYS
 
@fbueckert It used to be there. After the update, it's not.
@fbueckert That would take me about 6 hours to check
 
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Q: Where can I buy Cure Poison potions?

myCloneI need some Cure Poison potions. I know I can't make my own, so does anyone know of shops that sell it and where?

0
Q: How to farm Tall Trees in Minecraft

Amirreza NasiriI have a Tree Farm in my World, but all types of the Trees which I farmed are Short and without any Fruit. How can I farm tall Trees?

0
Q: Regarding Skyrim's enemy kill scenes

AnsollisI was wondering what factors into an enemy performing a kill scene on one. It always seems to be powerful enemies, but I want to know if there is a way to lower this possibility, as it is really annoying when trying to build a heavy class.

0
Q: Are developments considered at the end or during the whole game?

YamikuronueFor developments like "Farming community" or "Hunter community", which restrict the types of items that can be placed within the village borders, can they have had a forbidden resource at one point as long as I don't end the era with it? Or must the village have never benefited from a prohibited ...

 
8:06 PM
@skovacs1 I'm sitting at roughly 400 billion cookies, and just about 40 million/sec.
 
@fbueckert I'm still buying upgrades, but right now I'm only at 45 million/sec
The last two upgrades should put me at 55 million/sec, but that won't be for a few more minutes.
 
It costs me over 5 billion for another grandma.
 
:(
@fbueckert what? O_o
 
Just thinking about the logistics of this is crazy. Storing and producing this many cookies is a logistical mind boggle.
 
@fbueckert It costs me 12 billion for a grandma. I am trying to balance out cost/rewards. The new curve threw off my balancing so I'll have to re-check the numbers
 
8:15 PM
having some fun: 50 of each:
 
Woo I just got a cookie frenzy appear
That's the second one
 
@GnomeSlice A what?
 
@skovacs1 Every now and then a cookie appears somewhere on the screen. If you click it you get 2x production for a minute or so
mine just wore off
I was up to like 52 million a second
 
@GnomeSlice I clicked them many times, but only ever got a fixed number of cookies.
 
@skovacs1 Weird, I just got one that increased my production.
 
8:27 PM
@badp oh my god hahahahaha
 
@Mana did you watch those japan world cup videos we linked earlier
 
no
not yet
 
@Mana That was really amazing.
 
@GnomeSlice wow the Trojan Horse falling over.
 
Contraption Maker comes to Steam Early Access in 3 days.
@Mana It's utterly incomprehensible.
They cover a bunch of different clips and in one of the the Yeti jumps up on the trojan horse and uses the rider like a whip
it's crazy
@Mana there are 64 videos of these
 
8:45 PM
@GnomeSlice Is this an Incredible Machine clone?
AHHHHHH IT IS
 
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Q: Can I transfer a Playstation savegame to someone else with PlayStation Plus?

RynnI own a Playstation 3 that I use with my girlfriend and her sister. My girlfriend's sister played "Tekken Tag Tournament 2" on her sister account until she got her own Playstation. Now, she would like to get back her savegame on her Playstation. The problem is that the savegame is copy-locked, I...

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Q: Why is my army weaker than computer's army?

GooseSo I(castille) have 31000 man in my army (20 infantry and 11 cavalry). Computer(aragon) has 21000. During the battle i can see how much damage each one is producing. Every attack from them damages me 300 to 500. I only damage them 7 to 15. Why is this happening? My men have high morale. I'm in my...

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Q: How long does it take the bomb to explode?

avestar101After the Terrorist team in Counter-Strike: Global Offensive plants the bomb, the Counter-Terrorist team has to defuse it before it blows up. After the bomb is planted at a bomb site, how many seconds does it take for the bomb to blow up?

 
@StrixVaria A bunch of the developers from the Incredible Machine are working on it too
They're calling it a sequel of sorts.
 
I can't find a price on their site.
 
Yeah they haven't mentioned it yet.
I don't think.
ooo it has pulleys and ropes now
so much stuff
 
Ropes can swing and things can fall over.
That's new.
 
8:53 PM
Ropes could swing in the Incredible Toon Machine.
I don't think things could fall over though.
I only ever played the original Incredible Machine on a computer that was way too fast to run it, so everything happened at super speed.
I sunk hours and hours into The Incredible Toon Machine though.
Also the incredible toon machine had pulleys too, now that I think about it.
But they were only useful for pulling things.
I don't remember actually, if stuff could swing from them.
I think it could.
 
My aunt just paid for my new cell phone. :D
 
@Ullallulloo what is it? (the phone)
 
@somequixotic Nexus 4
My first cell phone
 
@Ullallulloo oh... any particular reason you got that one instead of other choices?
not sure what carrier you have, but I'd have chosen either a Galaxy S4, HTC One, or Droid Maxx over that
maybe even the Note II
but some carriers don't offer most / any of those phones
 
I was close to getting the Nexus 4, but went with the Padfone 2 instead (but that was 7 months ago)
 
9:03 PM
@somequixotic Nexus 4 is unlocked, cheaper due to Google's subsidization, and doesn't have an AMOLED screen or funny proprietary software.
Note II was my second choice, but that's like $400 more.
 
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Q: How to make NBA 2K13 work using Wine/PlayOnLinux?

DizekeI've installed PlayOnLinux and made a virtual drive, then installed NBA 2K13, and the packages: dxfullsetup, dsound, and dotnet20. In the videos that I've watched, they were actually able to make it work. But mine closes immediately at startup. It just shows that it launched, but then terminates...

 
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9:26 PM
i miss kalina
 
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DavidYellI've recently unlocked the OVE9000 saw to use and I'm having trouble opening doors and deposit boxes with it. Opening ATM's seems easy. Is there a trick to opening doors and deposit boxes? Does aiming at the 'lock' make any difference? On a good try I can get maybe 2-3 boxes open before the blad...

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Q: What is the best and fastest way to make money in Runescape?

DragonessI know you can take vials and fill them to be vials of water, and add feathers to arrow shafts, but is there anything faster and more effective?

 
9:45 PM
 
@Wipqozn I wonder if that nose counts as a horn
 
@GnomeSlice Miss all shots, get kill. GOTY 2013
 
@badp It's actually a lot of fun.
The other guy must have been damaged.
 
9:55 PM
Dude, the blue tank is landing all missiles and shots
 
@badp Green activates a shield.
 
the green tank is missing with all it's got
 
Green hit him a few times at the start, plus probably more before the gif starts
 
well that's a shitty gif to sell the game with then
 
@StrixVaria Let me know how the Percy Jackson books are!
 
9:57 PM
I think it's just meant to show guns and explosions and a tank blowing up and a shield.
@badp green gets hit the same amount as blue, maybe even less. Green uses a shield.
 
@Fluttershy It's very obviously for a YA audience so far.
It's not necessarily bad, but just make sure you know that before you start.
 
@StrixVaria That's kinda what I was expecting.
Still, not something that'd prevent me from reading it, I think.
 
I'm like 5-6 chapters in and it's interesting, but it remains to be seen how coherent it is.
I like strong worlds and so far this one is just including all the things.
I'm really critical, though.
I should teach myself to stop picking everything apart and just enjoy it for what it is.
I'll have more fun that way.
 
@badp would you like me to make you a better gif
 
@GnomeSlice no.
 
10:02 PM
@badp do you see why you are wrong now?
shield
Also it's a really cool game and you shouldn't judge it based just on that
 
No, I feel that my assessment of the situation is pretty accurate
 
@badp As someone who has played the game, it's not.
 
Grats.
 
@badp For what?
Or was that directed at someone else.
 
10:03 PM
@GnomeSlice This honestly doesn't look fun.
 
@StrixVaria It's pretty excellent.
Multiplayer is sweet
I didn't realize it was on greenlight. Also I forgot about it, haven't played it in months
gonna see what's new
Also they need a better name
They're still working on picking one
@StrixVaria It's not for everyone, certainly.
@badp anyway, that video is more legit
you can see health bars and stuff
 
Yes, it's somebody with a clue destroying somebody without
maybe it'll get more convincing as it nears completion
 
@badp :P It's probably a bot
Also
This looks amaaaaaaaazing
 
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Q: Puzzle in Killzone Mercenary Beta

ChuIn the Killzone Mercenary beta for PS plus users, there are capsules that you must hack. In order to do so, you must solve a puzzle involving some polygons with some sectors highlighted. Does anyone know how to solve them? Since you are given very little time to solve them, I haven't been able to...

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Q: skyrim hearthfire why won't my family move to a new house

Crystal EdyayaI am trying to move my husband and two daughters to my manor in Falkreath (lakeveiw manor) I tell my husband I want to move select the manor and he says "If that's what you want I'll meet you there soon." and he just sits there doing nothing usually he gets up and goes outside right away there is...

 
Also for those that missed it (and care)
 
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10:19 PM
 
3 hours ago, by GnomeSlice
These are nuts
Oh, hah this is a different one
it's so hard to tell
 
user15026
These videos are MESSED UP
 
user15026
I love it
 
@AshleyNunn They're so good.
There is a huge playlist of them too
Start here:
First one, I guess.
 
user15026
@GnomeSlice This looks fun :)
 
10:25 PM
@AshleyNunn It does!
I didn't have enough in my paypal so it's doing a dumb non instant payment so I probably won't be able to play it for like a week
 
user15026
I won't get it because well, I like having an apartment more, but it looks like fun
 
user15026
although with stuff I got for my birthday and so on I will be busy gaming for quite a while
 
Wow, the The Trial in Chrono Trigger is amazing.
 
@AshleyNunn You can just pay $0, I think. =P
 
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@Fluttershy I feel too bad when I do stuff like that :P
 
10:28 PM
Oh. Sorry. $1.02. I guess it isn't really "Pay what you want." Those liars.
 
@RedRiderX The music or the trial in the game?
 
@AshleyNunn $1?
 
@GnomeSlice It says "Pay what you want." That's false advertising! <_<
 
@Fluttershy $1 minimum for Desura keys
 
Oh.
 
user15026
10:29 PM
@GnomeSlice nope, can't do it....I have like.....$20 until my OSAP comes in in September some time
 
@Fluttershy $0.25 is the actual minimum though.
@AshleyNunn aw
 
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which is for like....food and stuff
 
@GnomeSlice So it should be more of a "Pay what you want as long as it's more than this hidden minimum fee."
 
@Powerlord I was thinking of the trial in the game, but the music sure isn't awful.
 
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@Fluttershy Yeah, sneaky bastards. :P
 
10:30 PM
@Fluttershy 25 cents
so much
But yeah I get what you mean
I don't think they have space for that
 
@GnomeSlice This one has 73
 
@AshleyNunn I just bought another copy of it for you, but if it's okay with you I'm going to take this one since it went through immediately
@skovacs1 ;_;
 
user15026
@GnomeSlice You didn't have to do that....but thank you :)
 
@AshleyNunn I'll get you the code in like a week when it goes through
 
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@GnomeSlice Cool beans, you are a lovely human being
 
10:33 PM
actually, I better give you this one, I didn't pay for the bonus stuff
INW93-2CR15-Q07CF-HNM5C-XQ3V3
 
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I want to make it clear though, I am not like....trying to be like all omg give me things, I am just like oh hey this is my life right now
 
I know. :P
 
user15026
Desura key?
 
Yes.
 
@AshleyNunn How was you... I can't remember, but the place yoiu went that made you gone for a week. I think.
 
user20683
10:34 PM
wander in
 
user15026
@Wipqozn Camping? it was lovely
 
user15026
I ma happy to be back in the land of internet and such though
 
@AshleyNunn did it work?
Hej @Mana
 
user15026
I am trying to get Desura to run hang on
 
That can be tricky. =P
 
user15026
10:37 PM
Where do I shove the code?
 
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A: How do I Activate a Product Key in Desura?

Ashley NunnTo activate a product key: open the Desura client click the Desura logo in the upper left corner click Tools click "Activate game CD key or gift" In the window that opens up, you will be able to enter the key that you have, and then all you need to do is click "Activate", and it will activate...

Alternatively, you can 'cram' or 'stuff' it.
LOL you answered that question!
You forgot? =P
 
user15026
.......the fact that I answered that is SUPER EMBARASSING
 
That's so funny. =P
 
user15026
And yes, teh code worked
 
@GnomeSlice unfortunately 2 of the videos are of real horse racing, but all the same, it's still 7 more videos.
 
10:39 PM
@skovacs1 BORING
@AshleyNunn Yay!
 
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@GnomeSlice Thank you :)
 
No problem! Hopefully it doesn't mess up my delayed purchase somehow. :P
If it does I'm sure I can weasel a free set of stuff out of them.
 
user15026
@GnomeSlice Okay, I dont want to wreck anything :P
 
I just assumed you weren't interested in the bonus game, is that a safe assumption?
It's shooty.
 
user15026
@GnomeSlice yeah, that is a safe assumption
 
10:42 PM
"dear player" hahaha
 
I just saw the biggest fail in gaming history. Even if you know nothing about Starcraft 2, watch this, it's pretty clear:
 
ah yes, this one
CLASSIC
 
it is amazing
 
Ouch. That's when fact checking comes into play. A little further south just to see the base or check for an extractor could have saved them the effort and fail.
 
@AnnaLear hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
that was amazing
 
10:58 PM
@Wipqozn wait you already saw that! I laughed about it with you years ago!
"Tonight, a man delves into the deepest corners of The Twilight Zone looking for something that can't be replaced...his own identity..."
 
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Q: How to play turretless SPG efficiently?

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Q: Where'd my chicken find the Space Jump?

ToomaiI just noticed that as a chicken I have infinite double jumps. I know for sure this didn't exist when Pollo Power was first obtained, and I'm pretty sure the getting the actual Double Jump didn't unlock it either. So where did it come from?

 
@Mana The only will cheese fail I remember is this one:
 
@Wipqozn too bad the thumbnail ruins it
 
@Mana My favourite part about that game is the way the loser rage quits.
People who cheese then rage when it fails are the best.
 
@Wipqozn Isn't that like...all of them?
 
11:09 PM
@skovacs1 No, just the terrible players who cheese since they don't know how else to win.
 
@Wipqozn By "all of them", I meant "all of the players who cheese".
 
@skovacs1 I know.
 
the way I see it, cheeses are still valid strats (it's possible to deny many of them; so don't whine about being cheesed and just play better), but don't be a sore loser if your cheese fails and act like the other guy's somehow a bad player for denying you.
 
and I was referring to the subset of players who cheese since thy don't know how else ot play.
 
@Wipqozn So you're saying there are players who cheese, but don't rage quit on fail?
 
11:11 PM
@skovacs1 Yes, the ones who know how to actually play the game, and just use a cheese as one of many valid strategies.
but there are a subset of cheesers who only know how to cheese, and don't understand how to actually play the game, and lack the basic skills required to pull off any other build.
 
@Wipqozn And those players are still better equipped than I. I don't play MP as I am quite terrible.
 
@skovacs1 Not really. You could probably pick up a cheese and learn how to do it with little practice
Part of being a cheese is being really easy to pull off
 
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@AnnaLear New Social Network:
 
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Q: My Keyboard won't repeat

PeterI am having an odd problem. My keys won't repeat when held down. its fine to type and I can double touch just fine. however I can't hold and repeat. This problem has prevented movement in games that require holding down the keys to move forward. I have checked and filter keys is off and so is s...

 
11:15 PM
@Weston.h Seems legit!
 
@Weston.h Their computers aren't just fast, they're big too.
 
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@AnnaLear It's legit, it's just not very ethical.
 
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@skovacs1 typical for server type things
 
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we have an 88 core linux cluster in the CS department at my school
 
@Weston.h My point is that physical size is irrelevant.
 
user20683
11:16 PM
well yeah
 
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@skovacs1 the entire page is satire :P
 
@AnnaLear My views on cheeses have always been that they are a valid strategy, but that new players shouldn't use them. They don't actually help you learn the mechanics of the game. A lot of cheeses required you to invest at the start of the game for them to succeed, giving you no time to scout. They also result in you never improving your macro, as well as your micro. You don't learn timings or anythin really.
 
@Weston.h Oh really? I thought it was a real thing. Shows how much attention I paid.
 
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@skovacs1 Prism is the NSA's intelligence gathering system
 
BLARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHBLARHGHGHGHGHHGGH
 
11:18 PM
@Wipqozn Yeah, if your cheese fails, you're likely screwed. I'm terrible at SC2 (though I'm practicing) and I find that once in a while doing a cheese instead of a proper build is just kinda fun.
 
@AnnaLear And by the time a cheeser hit the point that they can't just cheese everybody anymore, they'lll be hopelessly outmatched since your opponents actually have a grasp of the foundations of good play, and the cheeser doesn't.
@AnnaLear Yeah, I've done a cheese every now and again, and I'm pretty bad as well, but I don't rely on them. I'd never improve if I did.
 
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@spugsley hairball?
 
Plus I'd just wind up getting pushed up against opponents who are a lot better than me and I'd probably never improve.
 
@Wipqozn Most cheesers forget to macro while cheesing, so that certainly doesn't help.
 
I should get back in STarcraft one of these days.
 
11:20 PM
@Weston.h Right. I think I heard that once in passing along with something about disclosed documents revealing how much privacy is non-existent. I'm not terribly up on that kind of thing. NSA, CIA, CSIS, killing presidents, spying on pictures of granny's underpants - none of it means much to me.
 
The only cheese I'm actually kinda, well, cheesed about is the 6-pool Jaedong played vs Scarlett a couple weeks back to win a best of 5 in WCS. Valid strategy, etc, etc, but dammit who does that at the pro level? SO UNFAIR :P
 
@Weston.h WORSE. I went out location scouting with my camera in our new area. And I found...omg the most amazing spot. Nobody for miles. Waterfront. An abandoned driveway lined with beautiful trees. Got all my gear set up. Props in place. NO FUCKING SD CARD. And the spare one I keep in my car got mixed up in the move and was gone. So nothing. I GOT NOTHING
 
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@spugsley :(
 
user20683
:hug:
 
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11:22 PM
@AnnaLear I found a tree you would like
 
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@Weston.h haha nice
 
@fbueckert Where are you at for cookies? 1 trillion yet?
 
Does anyone here have a copy of an old xray that I can have? (yes I know how creepy this sounds)
 
What is a "cheese"?
 
11:31 PM
Cheese is a food derived from milk that is produced in a wide range of flavors, textures, and forms by coagulation of the milk protein casein. It comprises proteins and fat from milk, usually the milk of cows, buffalo, goats, or sheep. During production, the milk is usually acidified, and adding the enzyme rennet causes coagulation. The solids are separated and pressed into final form. Some cheeses have molds on the rind or throughout. Most cheeses melt at cooking temperature. Hundreds of types of cheese from various countries are produced. Their styles, textures and flavors depend on...
 
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@SaintWacko you might know it by the term "beardy".
 
user20683
or maybe not
 
user20683
it's generally effective but unsportmanslike conduct
 
@Weston.h Nope
Ah
 
@SaintWacko "Cheese is a common video game term for unorthodox strategies, usually relying on surprise, that are easy to execute yet hard to counter." - Wikipedia
 
11:32 PM
@skovacs1 Hm
 
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Q: How do I enable someone who has been disabled?

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Q: What resolution should I use?

Wojtek 'Charkz' HordyniecWhat resolution should I use on a 1680 x 1050 screen in crusader kings 2 with windowed mode on? I want to to be a perfect windows just being above my start/toolbar.

 
@Wipqozn The reply's a bit late, but I don't think you grasp how absolutely terrible I am at RTS games. I don't know any kind of macro and don't even know where to begin when trying to set something like that up. I truly believe that I would fail to even achieve something as rudimentary as cheese. I understand the mechanics and min-maxing, but in real-time I usually fall apart because I'm just not fast enough.
 
11:58 PM
One of the few exceptions was Brutal Legend. As Tainted Coil I was very effective at zerg rushing about 2/3 of the time and even on failed rushes, I was still solid enough to pull out a win most times. I think the controls in that one had a complexity and speed I am more comfortable with overall.
 
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