The Bridge

7:00 PM

McPixel
Card drops earned: 7
Drops earned by purchasing the game: 7
Card drops received: 3
You can get 4 more trading cards by playing McPixel.

AAAAAAAAAAA

seven drops?

user30

decent

fbueckert

Dammit, Eador! You're not supposed to give me the same card for every drop!

badp

btw @FAE if you're genuinely doing this card trading stuff there's a card trading bot system at backpack.tf/cardswap

user30

@badp Have you got any foil drops yet?

badp

@ThomasMcDonald nope

FAE

7:10 PM

@badp Oh huh, neat. Thanks, this is a lot easier than pinging people by hand all the time.

badp

@FAE well the credit systems might not be very accessible to non-TF2 players

FAE

@badp In what regard? As in it's useless for them or it's literally inaccessible?

badp

@FAE you can trade in cards, refined or keys.

(afaik)

FAE

@badp Ah, I see

Lazers

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Q: How do you see if a tile was watered?

I am using dolphin to play this game and I cannot see a difference between tiles that have been watered and tiles that have been not watered that day. The blue tiles have been watered (at least I think they have been), the red ones not. But there is no visual difference as opposed to the Plays...

user30

7:16 PM

okay, so this approach wasn't rescuable after all

Powerlord

Ugh... Darm Tower.

Actually, this makes me think of a video game trivia question: If I'm in Darm Tower, which Ys games could I possibly be playing?

user20683

Ys I and II Chronicles?

Powerlord

@WorldEngineer You think Darm Tower is in just one Ys game? :P Granted, Ys 1 is one of the games it's in.

user20683

@Powerlord I know it's referenced in all of them

user20683

bear in mind I know almost nothing about Ys

Powerlord

7:22 PM

The Ys 1 Chronicles game for PC is neat in that you can select between 3 different versions of the game music... and Tower of the Shadow of Death is one of the more memorable versions

(Tower of the Shadow and Death being the music for Darm Tower's lower floors in Ys 1 and Ys Origins)

But yeah, Darm Tower is a playable area in Ys 1, Ys IV: Dawn of Ys, and Ys Origin.

Ys IV is weird, as there's two different versions made by two different companies, neither of which were Falcom.

Interesting... apparently some of the people behind the early Ys games left Falcom to found... Quintet, who produced ActRaiser, Soul Blazer, Illusion of Gaia, and Terranigma. The More You Know!

user30

13 mins ago, by Thomas McDonald

okay, so this approach wasn't rescuable after all

user30

yes it was. \o/

badp

@ThomasMcDonald what was it?

user30

Playing KSP for the first time again in ages, got a ship into Mun orbit. Shame I hadn't tried to make it landable.

badp

oh no I won't get the mega-stare of disapproval

user20683

7:31 PM

@ThomasMcDonald you've got to Apollo 7 before you can Apollo 11

user30

@WorldEngineer Apollo 7 returned to Earth successfully.

Powerlord

Hmm... I wonder if the Ys IV remake will come to platforms other than PSP.

user30

I lack the fuel.

user20683

@ThomasMcDonald hmm

Powerlord

Bah, I still haven't finished the Ys II remake, I should stop looking farther and finish what I've started.

user30

7:35 PM

oh well, Bob won't mind being left there for a while until I gain the skills to er, pick him up

user30

or knock him out of orbit

Powerlord

Actually, I wonder if XSEED will go back and release the English version of Ys 6 on PC... since the game itself is already on PC, but not in English despite the PS2 version being in English.

Oh wait, Konami has the rights to Ys 6

StrixVaria

Anyone need a Kerbal Space Program card?

Wipqozn

I think I might buy KSP.

user30

@WorldEngineer Should have attached some solars and one of those really tiny electric engines, that would have sorted it out eventually.

user30

7:41 PM

To be honest I only wanted to make sure I could get into Kerbin orbit... not sure I've ever got into a proper Mun orbit with a bit of fuel left over before.

user30

@Wipqozn It's a lot of fun, mostly once you realise what you're doing.

Wipqozn

Ah, what the hell. I got my GST cheque in the mail a few days ago.

StrixVaria

Based on the way Tomb Raider started, I'm surprised lighting the match wasn't a failable quicktime event where you'd have to sit through a cut scene of Lara freezing to death in the night if you didn't comprehend which button to press fast enough.

Ben Brocka

Do cards take a while to show up or what?

I dont' seem to be getting them today

user20683

7:57 PM

@BenBrocka they are awarded randomly

user20683

ergo Gambler's fallacy comes into play

Ben Brocka

@WorldEngineer 0 across 9 games over an hour is...pretty bad luck. I thought the card drops were like every hour or less and the booster packs are what's random

badp

@BenBrocka you launched the games at the same time?

Powerlord

@BenBrocka I just bought some items from Steam and didn't get the sale cards from it either.

So, at a guess, something's borked right now.

Ben Brocka

@badp More or less. I would think at least one should...oh there's something in my inventory

badp

8:01 PM

Ah, the good ole Whining Effect. What you're complaining about is most likely to fix itself right after or while you're complaining about it

Powerlord

Oh wait, spoke too soon, there's my card

Ben Brocka

...I wonder if they award them at the top of the hour

badp

They don't normally do

Powerlord

Well, cards since I spent $17.50 on the Tomb Raider pack and was already over 1/2 way to a card

StrixVaria

So far I can't tell how linear this game is because I feel like I could be going different places.

badp

8:05 PM

@StrixVaria you mean, in real time?

Fluttershy

@StrixVaria It opens up and you get slightly more exploration capabilities.

Just have to get past the main introductory stuff.

Also, everyone should vote for Gunpoint in the Community Choice! =D

StrixVaria

@Fluttershy I'm pretty sure I'm still in the intro stuff, but it does a decent job of not making you feel railroaded even though I think I still am being so far.

badp

OMG 60 FPS

maybe

more than I can count still

FALLOUT NEW VEGAS GAME OF THE YEAR

Tim Stone

It's a summer miracle!

badp

I have decided that to make the character one I can truly care about, given that it can't be a mo-capped actual war dog, I must christen it "Half Life 2 Ep. 3"

is HL3 male or female?

choices choices.

Mana

8:19 PM

female

badp

It's making itself wait. That's traditionally female. (please don't hit me ashley)

Race. Game's from 'Murica. There's only one race with "'Murica" in it. Must be African American. Because 'Murica.

The age slider goes all the way to the top.

I wonder if there's a "bed head/not done yet" hair style.

Here's Half Life 2 Ep. 3 in all of her glory.

I'm not a fan of the Steam-colored hair but what you gonna do?

It's only the one part of the game you won't ever look at again anyway.

StrixVaria

> Take cover behind waist-high objects.

Ok, the quick time events in this game are fucking stupid.

I shouldn't have to press a button to watch the rest of the cutscene.

badp

Let me guess, this is not the kind of game for the person with Broom Dungeon-itis, eh?

Fuck, I haven't been picking my points and answers in-character

I suck at this.

also, this doesn't make sense

WHERE IS THE "TWO ELEPHANTS" OPTION?

Ben Brocka

8:39 PM

@badp it's a mod. And it's two bears high fiving I think

badp

IT IS VERY CLEARLY TWO ELEPHANTS HOLDING EACH OTHER BY THE PROBOSCIS WITH NVIDIA-9200M-QUALITY HEARTS ON TOP. THEY ARE IN LOVE, OR MURDERING EACH OTHER TO DEATH.

Ben Brocka

Oh god System Shock 2 defaults to keyboard turning

badp

IT TURNS OUT THAT NVIDIA-9200M-QUALITY HEARTS ARE ACTUALLY TRIANGLES

@BenBrocka but unlike a lot of games that default to keyboard turning, you can change it to something else

You do want to muck around with the control config.

Ben Brocka

@badp Yeah but...damn, relic of the dark ages of FPS controls

badp

@BenBrocka The various DOOM games don't let you strafe :(

Ben Brocka

8:42 PM

Doom has a strafe key

badp

where by various DOOM games I don't mean anything newer than DOOM 2.

Ben Brocka

...it might be a separate key or something, but it lets you strafe

I mean doom 1/2

badp

@BenBrocka still no mouse-turn.

Doom 2 did have traditional wasd+mouse

Ben Brocka

> In the default keyboard configuration, the comma key strafes left and the period key strafes right. It is also possible to strafe by holding down the "strafe on" key (Alt by default) and pressing a turn key (left/right arrow).

Yeah no mouse turn. You need Zdoom or similar for that

badp

I think Quake 1 is the earliest ID shooter with WASD-mouse as we know it

Ben Brocka

8:43 PM

You can actually do full mouselook with altered engines like Zdoom

badp

Ben Brocka

plus side of dumb trading cards: I've played more Binding of Isaac and gotten further today than I ever have

badp

Solid gun play. The same old engine from 2007, always being reworked to be relevant today (kinda). The survival skills to let it be confirmed every single day.

Ben Brocka

Good game but the random items kind of turned me off. Much more fun to play now that I have Cain though

StrixVaria

Tomb Raider crashed!

I hope it autosaved.

Ben Brocka

8:45 PM

Does Hotline miami not work at all for anyone else?

StrixVaria

@BenBrocka I had that issue.

Ben Brocka

crashes with/without steamworks too

StrixVaria

It was fixed by restarting.

Then I played the game for 5 minutes and regretted buying it.

Ben Brocka

I think I got it in a bundle or something

badp

Hotline Miami worked the last I tried -- on Linux

Ben Brocka

8:48 PM

From the message it gave me on load it sounds like they integrated steamworks and that didn't work so well

user20683

Marathon was the first to have strafe as default

user20683

though it used the arrow keys

Fluttershy

This may be weird timing, but I actually just finished playing some Hotline Miami. <_< So... @BenBrocka, it works for me!

Ben Brocka

WTF since when is Mom on Depths 2 in Isaac?!

Arperum

@BenBrocka Since always IIRC

Ben Brocka

8:58 PM

Oh, I'm either farther in that I realized or she's earlier than I realized

Arperum

And again a couple levels later (in or past the womb or something

user20683

I just realized last night that the boy from Jurassic Park played Sledge in "The Pacific".

user20683

also he's nearly 30, I feel old.

Lazers

9:12 PM

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Q: Can I install a disk expansion into a Steam install?

I have recently bought Dungeon Siege 2 from Steam, but they don't sell the Broken World expansion. Am I able to install the disk version of the expansion into the Steam install? Or will I need to buy it on Steam when and or if they release it?

dungeon-siege-2

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Q: Krogans regenerate health superfast

I'm playing through ME1 on Veteran difficulty. So far, every Krogan I've fought, battlemaster or not, regenerates health up to full in two or three seconds when they are knocked down and nearly dead. If I'm not quick to unload my assault rifle on them, they stand up with full health and shields. ...

mass-effect

FAE

9:35 PM

@StrixVaria Do you still have a KSP card? I have extras of Chivalry and Skyrim for trade.

StrixVaria

@FAE I do, but I have both of those :(

FAE

Dang. :(

Anto

Hi !

Anyone dealing steam summer cards around here ?

FAE

@Anto I'm looking for a Football Manger card if you have an extra, I've got a Skyrim to trade.

Anto

@FAE aw, saddly we're not a good match on this one

FAE

9:48 PM

@Anto Aw, dang.

Anto

*sadly

Maybe another time !

I have Kerbal and Prison to trade; I'm looking for Reus and Chivalry

badp

10:06 PM

so "head crippled" is not a synonym for "dead"

Fluttershy

@badp It hinders their aim. If your head gets crippled, you can't see shit.

badp

does V still work?

Fluttershy

@badp Is that the key for VATS? If so, then yes, but your chance to hit is way lower.

StrixVaria

Honestly, having Steam constantly tell me I have new items in my inventory is pretty annoying.

Fluttershy

> You have 1 new item in your Inventory

badp

10:14 PM

@Fluttershy Is there no way to like auto-sell all misc items/garbage?

StrixVaria

@Fluttershy How long was your first playthrough of Tomb Raider?

Fluttershy

@badp That is something I don't remember...

FAE

@badp I don't think so, people collect everything in those games.

Fluttershy

@StrixVaria 15 or 16 hours, I think, going for a 100% playthrough.

badp

@FAE yes, but I'd like to collect everything to sell all the garbage for actual good stuff

StrixVaria

10:15 PM

Ok, I have no intention at all of going for 100%.

So it should be fairly quick.

badp

made ~30 caps just out of small books in various states of obsolescence, all raided from the doc house - but not stolen

(because that makes sense)

I suppose garbage is the one that's worth .9 caps but...

books would also count and they're Worth more

Fluttershy

@badp Careful about selling books! Make sure they aren't skill books first.

badp

@Fluttershy hmmm. None of the descriptions looked interesting

Anto

Good night everyone !

badp

do pre-war books count?

Fluttershy

10:20 PM

@Anto G'night!

@badp Pre-war books can be turned into skill books in one of the expansions.

badp

I don't have expansions!

Fluttershy

@badp You didn't get the Ultimate Edition?

badp

nah. I didn't feel like the mods could be worth enough to double the price of the game

Fluttershy

@badp It came with all four expansions. <_< Two of them were fantastic, the other two were mediocre.

badp

then I'll just buy the two fantastic ones!

chances are they sell separately for less than the premium

Ben Brocka

10:31 PM

which were fantastic?

Fluttershy

@BenBrocka Dead Money and Old World Blues. Lonesome Road was pretty good, but Honest Hearts was kinda....... meh.

badp

See? If I buy the base game and the these two DLCs I save €.03!

Fluttershy

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Q: Identify medieval fantasy shoot em up

I can't remember the name of this flash PC game, which launched around December 2012. You start with a male "rogue" character who shoots knives forward. Eventually gains more characters. Up to three characters can take on a level, in a "V" formation. When there are more than three characters, yo...

identify-this-game

Sterno

Someone talk me out of this

FAE

@Sterno Do you actually have interest in designing your own games with this?

Sterno

10:45 PM

@FAE I have interest in designing my own games with everything.

But no time or followthrough

that hasn't kept me from buying about $1k worth of art assets in the eventuality I do, though :P

FAE

@Sterno Okay, how about this. Is this a tool you think you'll have time to use and get into before the next Steam sale around Thanksgiving and/or Christmas?

Sterno

@FAE Aha! I like that approach!

Ktash

@Sterno I used to use RPG maker

FAE

@Sterno This is the metric by which I try to make my purchases, especially major ones.

Ktash

It isn't that great of a tool for making games you actually want to make

Unless you invest a lot of time

but if you just want to play around to create a game, then it works alright

FAE

10:47 PM

I don't mind picking up a €2.50 game here and there but something more expensive, I usually go by that.

Sterno

@ktash any idea what the licensing is on the spirtes? Can I use them in a game outside their engine?

FAE

@Ktash Yeah, from what I understand, it's kind of a "casual" design tool.

Ktash

@Sterno you can use them. I don't know license though

There are lots of free resources for it by the community, but not a lot of good stuff

Actually, license might be tied to the engine

but their engine is actually fairly flexible for an RPG engine (2D when I used it)

Sterno

If I ever get around to making a game, it will be 2D. 3D modeling is way too much work.

Ktash

They have a scripting language that is pretty thorough

FAE

10:51 PM

@Ktash There's a Steam game that was made entirely in RPG Maker, Wanderlust Rebirth.

badp

@Sterno Why are you picking all the resource packs? Don't you have a vague idea in mind of what you want?

Sterno

@badp I'm a sprite junkie.

I'm actually more interested in the resource packs than the app

@fae To The Moon was made in RPG Maker, too.

@FAE's argument that there will be another sale later, closer to the day I might actually use this, wins the day!

FAE

@Sterno Oh really? I didn't know that, huh.

Ben Brocka

We don't even need flavor text just buy this shit will ya kid

Ktash

Again, if you've got the time, RPG maker is actually a pretty powerful little engine. But it won't save you any major amount of time if you want to make something outside their standard stuff

FAE

10:58 PM

One more close vote

Sterno

@Ktash Yeah. I probably wouldn't be satisfied with the out of the box engine. I'd probably end up writing a game in XNA. You know, if XNA isn't super old by the time I get around to it.

Ktash

@Sterno XNA is really really nice

At least, it is for me, being fairly new

and they've got a lot of good tutorials for introducing you to it

Sterno

I code in C# all day for work so it seems like a good fit for me

badp

XNA is also discontinued, btw

Ktash

@badp WHAT?!

badp

10:59 PM

hasn't it?

Sterno

I've read two books on it and ran through the sample apps. Then I started collecting art for a fantasy RPG. Then I had a kid. :)

RedRiderX

@badp It's in an sunset/end of life stage.

Ktash

> According to an email sent on 31 January 2013, XNA is no longer actively being developed,[2] and it is not supported under the new "Metro interface" layers of Windows 8 nor on the Windows RT platform

:(

Stupid Window 8

Sterno

Guess it's time to get some Unity books then.

:)

StrixVaria

@BenBrocka I have no words.

XNA was really awesome. I did a few things in college using it.

Trying to build graphics stuff in Java using native libraries is not awesome.

badp

11:01 PM

@StrixVaria heh, I kinda did that

I had to build some basic structures like a Billboard or something triangle by triangle, not unlike the guy who built pokèmon 3D

user15026

ARGH

user15026

I misread a date

badp

took me a couple hours for that 10 triangle or so thing

Ktash

Has Nintendo killed that pokemon game yet?

with how much press it has got, I'm surprised it lasted through a news cycle

user15026

and instead of getting a WD for a dropped class (no credit, no effect on major average) I am getting a WF (withdrawal/fail, grade of 32 assigned)

user15026

11:03 PM

I mean I was going to fail ANYHOW

user15026

but ARGH

Ktash

@AshleyNunn :(

user15026

I could have..failed better :P

user15026

Oh well. Life goes on. I will still graduate :D

Ben Brocka

@Ktash which?

badp

11:08 PM

The most annoying thing is that you must specify the edges of the triangles in the correct order

Ktash

@BenBrocka gah, I'll find it. Saw 2 articles on it, but now I can only find the other 3d fan game

Shotgun Ninja

hey, what was the name of that conspiracy-filled town radio podcast?

StrixVaria

@ShotgunNinja Night Vale

Wipqozn

@AshleyNunn The important is to not go crazy and start punching toddlers.

Shotgun Ninja

@StrixVaria Thanks, man

badp

11:10 PM

as in (5,0,0) (0,0,0) (0,0,8) is a triangle and (5,0,0) (0,0,8) (0,0,0) is a different triangle

StrixVaria

@badp Yes. It's like in games when you noclip, you only see surfaces from one side.

badp

one's counterclockwise and thus (iirc) outward, another's clockwise and thus inward

StrixVaria

If you specify the angles in reverse order, the opposite face renders.

badp

@StrixVaria yes, that's why. Triangles don't work both sides.

StrixVaria

It makes sense, but it is really annoying to get right.

Fluttershy

11:11 PM

@Wipqozn (cc: @spugsley)

badp

@StrixVaria Well no one does that by hand but OpenGL students :P

...

and game engine devs/3D modelling devs

StrixVaria

@badp Haha

Ktash

@BenBrocka indiestatik.com/2013/05/31/pokemon-generations

Lazers

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Q: Identify medieval fantasy shoot em up

I can't remember the name of this flash PC game, which launched around December 2012. You start with a male "rogue" character who shoots knives forward. Eventually gains more characters. Up to three characters can take on a level, in a "V" formation. When there are more than three characters, yo...

identify-this-game

badp

the fun part of the course I took was that we used OpenGL 2+

as in: shaders

StrixVaria

11:13 PM

I never did shaders.

badp

it was fun messing around with those. Debugging them, not so much

StrixVaria

We were using GLUT in C, when I did OpenGL.

Our teacher spent class going over all the math that none of us understood because we hadn't had linear algebra yet, then assigned us a programming assignment with no instruction but "use GLUT".

badp

I reinveted my own shitty wheels and got points for that

I clearly put more effort in the "lightning" than in the rest. <__<

float near(vec4 here, vec4 there, float playerAngle){
   float raw_dist = sqrt(pow(here.x - there.x,2) + pow(here.y - there.y,2) + pow(here.z - there.z,2));
   float factor = pow(raw_dist * near_fallout, -0.5);
   float angle = atan(there.y - here.y, there.x - here.x);
   if(angle < 0) angle += pi * 2; //use (0, 2pi) range, the same as angle
   float diff = angle - playerAngle;
   if(diff < 0) diff *= -1;
   if(diff > pi) diff = 2*pi - diff;
   if(diff > fov) factor -= (diff - fov);

   return factor; //factor;

so many magic constants :3

    float nearFactor = near(playerPos, position, playerAngle);

	vec4 color   = (vec4(0.05,0.05,0.5,1) * vec4(0, 0, color.z, 1)) + //ambient light
                   (vec4(hurtTimer/3, hurtTimer/10, hurtTimer/10, 1) * vec4(color.x, color.y, color.z, 1)) + //hurt
                   (vec4(hurtTimer/3, -hurtTimer/5, -hurtTimer/5, 1)) +  //hurt
                   (vec4(nearFactor, nearFactor*.7, nearFactor*.4, 1) * texColor) + //torch light
                   (specular * nearFactor);

    color = vec4(color.x, color.y, color.z, 1);

actually it was OpenGL 3.

LUXURY.

(Fun fact: it doesn't run on my laptop.)

(Those were a few long days at university.)

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user20683

11:52 PM

@Brant that question is a big pile of "huh?"

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