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Ben Brocka

1:01 PM

Target offering buy two, get one free deal on PS4 games during launch week http://sbn.to/1gc4ey8

Tweeted by Polygon on October 30, 2013 at 1:00 PM

kalina

interesting

my pc just suicided for a brief moment

Kevin van der Velden

@kalina well that's new, I think?

BSOD or something?

kalina

no, far more...

well

Sterno

The reason I'm making a big deal out of this is because this may potentially tagged with faq and seen by a lot of people. It's also likely to be linked to exactly those people who play e free speech card. Such people are likely to see you comment, which they'll pretty much read as "lol Americans", and its just going to stoke the fires more. Unless this entire meta is meant to troll such people, I think ate a bad thing. FWIW, I have the same problem with the "joke" format of the question. It's likely to flame things up rather than calm them down. — Sterno 56 secs ago

kalina

I plugged my phone in to transfer video to it so I could go back to bed

then my audio driver died

then my pc rebooted

but instead of rebooting, it shut down and then hung there

Arperum

1:05 PM

...

kalina

followed by a high pitch whine from my speakers

so I suspect my sound card is dying

rebooted and it's all working fine though

Sterno

Relinking comment did not fix typos. Sadness.

kalina

@Sterno I like that you referenced my on going faq post

Ben Brocka

@kalina My speakers just do that sometimes when the computer goes to sleep. It's loud static not a whine though

kalina

@BenBrocka well this was modulating, like it was picking up interference from the psu or something

Sterno

1:07 PM

@kalina indeed!

kalina

I'm not even sure how to proceed with the faq post

we've got a lot of positive suggestions but only a small handful of them have a large number of votes

I was going to suggest everything >+10 gets made FAQ

but that's like 6 posts

Sterno

Give it some time.

kalina

It's had >1 week

everybody who is going to see it has seen it by now

Sterno

Its a lot to read, particularly with the other "cleanup" metas.

kalina

it's already off the first page

I don't want to annoy everybody by spamming it daily

the FAQ thing isn't even something I'm doing for me

Sterno

1:09 PM

I didn't read it until yesterday. I think it got bumped way down while I was gone for 2 days

RedRiderX

@kalina Then just spam it weekly.

kalina

I would have hoped it had been taken a little more seriously

@RedRiderX as somebody who is against other people spamming stuff frequently, I'm not going to be a hypocrite by doing it myself

think I'll just write it off as another failed attempt to do good around here

RedRiderX

@kalina Certainly.

@kalina Probably for the best.

Sterno

And partially I overlooked it because I stopped reading the title at "Cleanup 2013", thinking it was the other meta I'd already read.

kalina

@Sterno there are four "Cleanup 2013" posts

One of them has been completely actioned (multiplayer tag)

Sterno

1:11 PM

Tag burning, wikis, FAQ, and...

fbueckert

Good morning, Bridge

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kalina

@Sterno burnination, wikis, faq and one for the multiplayer tag specifically

Sterno

Oh, multiplayer

kalina

due to the size of the effort required to clean it

multiplayer got the best response

we had like 10 people retagging and got it done in an hour

Sterno

I don't know if I ever read the mp one.

kalina

1:13 PM

I think we have an answer to go with for wikis, and people have already started submitting edits using the most upvoted format

@fbueckert morning

so that's a success as well

burnination has resulted in a few handfuls of tags being nuked and is pretty much done except for a few tags that haven't really reached a consensus on what we're doing with them

so I'm ok with calling that a success too

Sterno

75% meta success is pretty damn good.

kalina

but the FAQ question has a small number of proposals that reached the point where I'd be willing to bug mods until they retagged those questions and then like 25 other suggestions that not many people have voted on

@Sterno anything less than 100% is still a failure

TZHX

should gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/138106/… be closed as "Questions that ask which games or other products meet specific criteria are off topic"?

Sterno

@kalina that's an awesome way to go through life in a state of disappointment!

kalina

@TZHX it should be closed as "tag abuse"

fbueckert

1:16 PM

@kalina Not valid anymore.

OrigamiRobot

You're not valid

Any of you

kalina

I am especially disappointed that the two loudest voices (generally) when it comes to "how things are done" have avoided the FAQ post

I'm looking at you @fbueckert and @LessPop_MoreFizz

3ventic

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A: How do I defeat/sneak past proximity mines?

I cannot find a way to disable mines either. In that spot, I picked up a barrel and threw it down the hall to safely trigger all the mines. This will alert a lot of people, however.

Haha

Sterno

@TZHX while it fits the technical definition of the close reason, it doesn't have any of the problems that that category of questions has

fbueckert

@kalina I'm suffering from meta disillusionment. It won't make a difference, regardless of what I contribute.

Sterno

1:18 PM

It's a very small, finite list. Not a popularity contest.

kalina

@fbueckert casting 20 votes will make a huge difference to me

fbueckert

And will, probably, hinder any efforts I have about keeping the status quo.

kalina

and I don't care if they're downvotes either

@3ventic you know, when I got to the this part in the directors cut I couldn't disable the mines, even though I never had an issue doing so in the original dxhr (cc @OrigamiRobot)

I tried like 10 times before I gave up and shot them

3ventic

I walked up to them and disabled them as suggested in the accepted answer there

No problems at all

kalina

interesting

OrigamiRobot

1:21 PM

That didn't work for me.

kalina

@OrigamiRobot you did use the walk key right?

crouching != walking

there are four movement speeds in dxhr

OrigamiRobot

Hell if I remember.

kalina

uh, five

Sterno

This question doesn't really have any of the problems that the "games that fit a specific criteria" category of questions have. It's not a potentially infinite list with answers that are a popularity contest. It's an incredibly small set of games with an objective answer that caters to our expertise. — Sterno 14 secs ago

kalina

sprint, run, walk, crouch-normal and crouch-walk

OrigamiRobot

1:22 PM

I have nearly 100 hours in the game and only finished two levels.

kalina

...I have 8 hours in game and I'm in the room before yelena

Sterno

If you guys are closing because you think there is an actual problem with the question, fine. If its because "it technically fits the wording of the close reason, and that's the only reason I need", I hate you all. :)

3ventic

5 hours - finished Derelict Row

kalina

and before you go "yes but... side quests"

I have 100% completion up to that point

I may(!) have killed a guy that counts towards failing pacifist though when I exploded the trip mines in DR

but since I've already done pacifist before I don't really care

@3ventic I finished DR about 2 1/2 hours in

OrigamiRobot

@Sterno Whether it's a small list right now is not relevant. It's still an unbounded list.

fbueckert

1:24 PM

@Sterno Fun fact: I haven't voted to close that question at all.

TZHX

@Sterno I think it's a very poor question.

3ventic

@kalina I'm slow and alt tab a lot

TZHX

And that's the closest close reason that seems to work.

kalina

I know the first half of the game inside out and didn't tab out much at all

I primarily wanted to see what they changed in the boss fights

Lazers

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Q: Getting attributes bonuses +5/+5/+5 in Elder scrolls oblivion

I have just completed the recommended quests for the Mages Guild to get accepted into the Arcane University. Now, I think it's time to work on leveling up the mage class character that I have. I'm currently on Level 1 and I want increase the Intelligence, Willpower, and Endurance or Personality o...

kalina

1:25 PM

the fact they haven't really changed all that much is very disappointing

TZHX

As there doesn't seem to be "serves no purpose" as a close reason.

Sterno

:11929948 I'm not sure if you're saying this, but poor question should mean downvotes, not "try to find a reason that fits to close it"

Sorry, hit wrong reply button

kalina

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Q: A Close Vote is not a Super-Downvote. Please don't use it as one

So, yesterday a dumb question was asked.. It was closed as Not A Real Question in less than an hour, and reopened mere minutes later. This isn't the first time that this has happened. It usually results in lots of arguing and acrimony and generally all comes out of a simple misunderstanding. The...

discussion closing voting

3ventic

Why is the map so bad?

kalina

what do you mean?

3ventic

1:27 PM

I move my mouse across the screen and the map barely moves at all

unless I zoom in so close I can't see anything

OrigamiRobot

@kalina I am very thorough and was going for full pacifist.

kalina

oh, it's bound to the screen, you can't move it around too much unless you zoom in

@OrigamiRobot I have everything up to the point I've got to

3ventic

that's why I called it bad

kalina

including all of the available achievements

OrigamiRobot

I double checked and triple checked and then checked some more.

kalina

1:29 PM

I guess that's where playing through multiple times helps

Sterno

It's roughly equivalent to closing "which mass ffect games is Liara a party member in?" For the same reason. And while I agree its technically an unbounded list, bleh. Seems forced.

kalina

I haven't had to do any double checking

Sterno

Ipad tried to autocorrect Mass Effect to Mass Defect

kalina

@Sterno in which portal game do you get rewarded with cake?

fbueckert

makes several Portal games where you get rewarded with cake

TZHX

1:30 PM

but the question seems to be "I remember X game doing this. It doesn't seem to do it anymore. Which games in the series do this (that maybe none of them ever did)?"

Sterno

Sorry, @mczaplicki, I should have been clear that I was talking to the people casting close votes. Generally, questions which ask "which games have <feature x>?" Are off topic because they do not work well in a Q&A format. Your question is technically like that, but I believe it doesn't have the usual problems such questions have. Others disagree. If it does end up closed, you could ask two questions, one each about whether AC3 and AC4 have the death count feature. — Sterno 10 secs ago

and that's why I don't like closing it. One bad question becomes many bad questions

Plus, to a new user, its just like "and I have to jump rough this hoop why?

OrigamiRobot

@Sterno It has exactly the main problem I see with these types of questions.

Sterno

So your worry is about the aspect where when a new game comes out, the answer becomes outdated?

OrigamiRobot

It's not about becoming outdated.

Well, not that by itself.

FEichinger

What is your worry with that question in particular?

Because I'm really not seeing it.

Even with Ubisoft's release schedule, that's just one game per year, which leaves plenty of time to update it, so the whole "it could get outdated" thing is kinda on the same level as patches. And given that it's essentially only a Yes/No/ImplementedDifferently list, the post isn't going to get "too long" in the next couple of years.

Sterno

1:42 PM

FWIW I won't vote to reopen it.

FEichinger

It's a bad question, sure. Downvotes fully appropriate if you feel like it. But closing it? That's just nonsensical - particularly because one question per game would suddenly be "appropriate" (which leads us back to the thing with combined questions from last week again, too.)

Sterno

I just think its a case that barely edges into that close reason's territory, and I hate seeing questions closed because they technically fit the wording of a close reason.

kalina

More votes so I can burn more tags

Sterno

@gracenote which reminds me, I'm pinging you again about this meta

Ben Brocka

Best pokemon idle animation?

OrigamiRobot

1:53 PM

@Sterno It's more about why the question will need to be updated.

Games get patches all the time and that requires answers to become out of date.

But the scope remains that game.

Unionhawk

OrigamiRobot

Unbounded lists need to be updated because game or w/e are added to their scope.

Unionhawk

Those guys need a raise, right now.

OrigamiRobot

@Unionhawk Maybe they just knew better than to mess with Batman?

fbueckert

@Unionhawk That's some awesome AI.

Unionhawk

1:56 PM

@fbueckert Flawless.

Sterno

@OrigamiRobot I can appreciate that reasoning.

Wow that .gif is killing my ipad

kalina

rofl

ladies and gentlemen, this content is OBVIOUSLY copied

without even checking

gaming.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/55600

OrigamiRobot

Bwahahaha[1]

kalina

thieving bastard stole it straight off wikipedia including the citation numbers

3ventic

lol'd

Kevin van der Velden

2:01 PM

@kalina wow, that's pretty damn impressive

Unionhawk

golfclap well done, sir.

5pike

@kalina Zero effort

OrigamiRobot

@Sterno I'm glad because I'd have trouble putting my thoughts into words that make sense if I needed to go further.

Unionhawk

@Sterno You're welcome! I mean, er, sorry!

OrigamiRobot

It's like.. one is stuff and the other is different stuff and you can't have both good because different bad.

Arperum

2:05 PM

@kalina The numbers on the (wikipedia)page are pretty fishy on first sign. What is the chance of getting just enough users to get to 1million. (and then less then 1k more to lower chances of getting caught on making up numbers)

Ben Brocka

@Unionhawk Damn batman's good

Unionhawk

...wait a minute... TF2 Halloween is on plr_hightower? Oh man.

That's gotta be a barrel and a half of fun.

...well, never mind. One of the achievements is "Win 142 rounds", aka "Encourage EVERYONE to play the objective"

like, seriously? I'm more bitter about that than the ponies thing (mainly because I stopped caring about virtual hats a while ago)

Lazers

0

Q: What are the advantages to having a game on Steam?

As the title states, what are the advantages to having a game on your Steam account versus having the game outside of Steam? Rift recently became available on Steam again and I've considered the possibility of re-installing the game just to have it on my Steam account, however at the same time I...

steam rift

Unionhawk

This is one classy kitten

Kevin van der Velden

@Unionhawk now it just needs a fezz

user15026

2:18 PM

Every time this bus stops it sound like a dying elephant.

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fredley

@fredley I had trouble with this riddle: MMX is 2010, so I tried dividing by 2, making 1050 of each. Nope. Then I came here and learned that I should split instead of divide, so I tried splitting MMX in two. I got M-half_M and 1X. Makes no sense. Maybe if I cut horizontally… Nope. Oh, maybe it should not be an equal split! Let me try using MM = 2000 and X = 10. Nope. Maybe M = 1000 and MX = 1010… Nope. Then I gave up and read the comments to this answer. Oh, I must split after the conversion… No way to find that out! I'd suggest you s/MMX/2010/ in the game description, preventing red herrings. — Denilson Sá 18 mins ago

fbueckert

@AshleyNunn Brakes must be going.

Kevin van der Velden

@fredley I like how you list your sources :)

Unionhawk

@fredley "@dude That's why it's a riddle." Though I do tend to agree; something that the developer thinks is reasonably obvious is probably totally lost on the player.

fredley

@Unionhawk Yup. Developers are awful.

Kevin van der Velden

2:22 PM

@fredley horrible and evil, though I still need to work on my evil laugh

Unionhawk

@fredley developers, map-makers, and @Wipqozn.

fredley

If you see a developer, kick them in the shins for being so awful

Unionhawk

@fredley Yes-- wait, I'm computer engineering, crap.

fredley

@Unionhawk You're computer engineering crap?

Unionhawk

Wipqozn

2:25 PM

@Unionhawk I am a petty awful.

Unionhawk

onebox, damn you.

fredley

@Unionhawk I blame the developer

Boooo developers

Horrifically time-consuming web toy of the day

Grace Note

@Unionhawk I don't think it's obvious and to a point I think that's somewhat the point, neh?

Unionhawk

@GraceNote Yes, this is true.

Ben Brocka

Has anyone here transferred a 3DS?

Unionhawk

2:28 PM

That doesn't make @fredley any less awful.

fredley

@GraceNote An obvious riddle isn't a riddle any more

Lazers

0

Q: How do the % XP Boost items from the battlepacks work?

I received a few different 'x% XP Boost' items from a battlepack I opened. Do I have to activate these or are they automatically applied to my next match? Do they stack? How long do they last?

battlefield-4

tombull89

@fredley there's powdertoy.co.uk too

Ben Brocka

I might get the Zelda 3DS XL and sell my XL but...Nintendo, so I'm concerned about how well it transfers digital stuff

I read the question on it, so I think it works fine, just would like first-hand experience

fredley

This guy is whining at me on Twitter now

Kevin van der Velden

2:30 PM

@fredley the riddle guy? what the...

Unionhawk

@fredley Okay, now break out "It's a riddle. Also, where do you come up with 'half_M'?"

Grace Note

@Unionhawk 3 letter work, MMX, width-wise if you split it in half you get the middle M split in twain.

fbueckert

@fredley "Validate mah suggestion!"

Unionhawk

@GraceNote Well, yes, but how is that not immediately thrown out as "That doesn't make any sense, so it's something else then"

Grace Note

@Unionhawk Pretty sure the immediate sentence after stating that direction is "Makes no sense".

OrigamiRobot

2:32 PM

Half an M is an upside down V

fredley

@fredley Hey, there is no link for feedback from inside the game! I have some pieces of feedback to you!

Tweeted by denilsonsa on October 30, 2013 at 2:11 PM

How dare you not provide a link for my feedback!

Unionhawk

@fredley You're basically the worst.

Grace Note

I'd say that twitter seems to be a fine and dandy place for feedback.

kalina

@fredley literally hitler

fbueckert

@fredley ignore user

Kevin van der Velden

2:33 PM

@GraceNote except it's a horrible place for receiving feedback

fredley

@fbueckert Done.

I had to block a Twitter troll, does that mean I've made it?

fbueckert

@fredley It means you've reached normal levels of internet usage.

TZHX

@fredley any other person would take that as "I don't care what you think", rather than "please digitally stalk me"

kalina

my connection to stackexchange is terrible

can browse anywhere else with no problems, stack exchange keeps timing out

5pike

@kalina Same here.

fredley

2:39 PM

@kalina Blame the developers

OrigamiRobot

It's just being withholding.

5pike

Also got an "under maintenance" message...

Unionhawk

@fredley Or we could blame you and call it a day.

fredley

@OrigamiRobot It gets off on it

Unionhawk

I'm content to do that.

fredley

2:41 PM

HN was down all morning. I blame HN.

Relevant

Maybe they forgot to take everything else down

kalina

interesting

TZHX

"Additionally, another exception occurred while executing the custom error page for the first exception." I like that.

fbueckert

@TZHX The error errored.

Lazers

0

Q: Why Won't minecraft let me log in [Only professional help]

My minecraft won't let me log in on the program. I still can loggin on the mojang site and change my skin but when i try to login on the launcher i get errors. so i saw in another forum that i mabe had to delete my .minecraft folder but that didn't worked... i had this problem since i started usi...