The Bridge

11:00 PM

I haven't even seen them yet, that was just a gut reaction to Apple's usual RAM price gouging.

I missed out on the WWDC brouhaha. Is there a summary somewhere yet?

@Brant Desktops are dead. If you don't have $2.1k pronto there's not much new in laptop hardware either. Software side, changes are rather minor; the only thing possibly of note being iCloud sync and the Notification Center making it on OSX

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Brant New Macbook and Macbook pros with minor speed bumps, as well as new Macbook pros in super-slim form factors with retina displays.

badp

oh and Canada gets Siri support if it didn't, iPad 3 too

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Brant Software side there's actually a bunch of rad stuff that @badp just doesn't happen to care about, like Apple rolling it's own maps, Passbook (think Cardstar, but applefied and such)

Brant

Canada already had Siri… at least in some capacity. (I'm still using a 3GS.)

badp

11:03 PM

@LessPop_MoreFizz oh, right, I missed the maps announcement as I had to leave midway

yeah, they reimplemented Google's MapsGL + navigation stack :P I'm sure TomTom will be happy

Brant

What's Cardstar?

Also, any cool new APIs? (It was a developer event, after all…)

Wipqozn

@RonanForman I love You Ronan <3

Brant

I really need to polish and release my app :(

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Brant Basically, it stores barcodes for all your store loyalty cards and shit, as well as things like airplane boarding passes or movie tickets

badp

@Brant plenty, and if your app is for the desktop you need to adapt it for the new DPI

LessPop_MoreFizz

11:04 PM

and uses geofences to automatically pull up the right barcode when you walk in.

badp

@LessPop_MoreFizz ...if that doesn't smell of US only I don't know what does

Brant

@badp iOS

Wipqozn

Now if you'll excuse me...

LessPop_MoreFizz

@badp Don't see any reason that it would be.

Wipqozn

oops

wrong order

LessPop_MoreFizz

11:05 PM

Geofencing might be less useful outside the US, but passbook itself would probably work fine, IMO.

Wipqozn

one moment. let me try this again....

Now if you'll excuse me...

badp

@LessPop_MoreFizz You need the stores to get onto the boat too

Wipqozn

LessPop_MoreFizz

@badp Lots of major chains already are - this isn't a new thing. Apps like Cardstar have been around for a while.

badp

@LessPop_MoreFizz None of your major chains are here in Italy

user2334

11:07 PM

@Brant $200 to go from 8GB to 16GB. You decide if that's price gouging

badp

Well I can only think of IKEA

nite though

LessPop_MoreFizz

@badp The store doesn't need to do anything special. A barcode is a barcode is a barcode.

@badp Starbucks is one of the examples Apple used?

badp

@LessPop_MoreFizz One store in Italy total AFAIK - in Rome

@LessPop_MoreFizz What makes you think we use barcodes for that? AFAIK it's magnetic stripes

Brant

@MarkTrapp ncix.com/products/…

LessPop_MoreFizz

@badp The way most POS systems are designed, the magnetic stripe or barcode both just feed in a string of numbers.

badp

11:08 PM

big AFAIK there

Brant

Yup.

LessPop_MoreFizz

The POS can accept input from either for a loyalty card.

It's mostly just a matter of educating cashiers that they can scan your screen.

badp

well I'll let you know if it catches any wind

color me skeptical though

you make it sound like a glorified image app at any rate

take a photo of barcode, show barcode

again, though, I'm sorry but I must go. g'nite

user30

@badp hey yo

user30

the maps uses TomTom data

user30

11:11 PM

oh wait, not sure if that message was sarcastic or serious

user30

never mind, I am also tired

LessPop_MoreFizz

@ThomasMcDonald From what I can tell, it's only using Teleatlas for traffic data

user30

@LessPopMoreFizz theverge.com/2012/6/11/3078987/…

user30

I thought it was going to be all OSM.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@ThomasMcDonald Yeah, I think The Verge is misreading that attribution.

user30

11:14 PM

oh, right.

LessPop_MoreFizz

It's probably 90%+ OSM.

There are a few core features that Apple can't get from OSM or roll it's own for.

Live traffic is a big one.

And Teleatlas happens to sell live traffic.

user30

Ah right, Teleatlas is part of TomTom then?

LessPop_MoreFizz

and probably as a condition requires logo'd attribution.

@ThomasMcDonald Other way around.

badp

...and let people draw dicks in Apple's maps? It'll be interesting to see how they wrangled navigation data from OSM anyway

Lazers

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Q: Preventing every game from turning into a base trade as Terran

I must admit, SCII isn't my best game. I'm stuck in the low 20's in bronze (or should I say plastic?) Anyhoo, Terran is my favorite race (mostly because I win the most matches with it - but I digress). The problem I've gotten into is that literally EVERY GAME turns into a base trade as soon as...

user30

11:15 PM

> OpenStreetMap contributors, openstreetmap.org

user30

gspsa21.ls.apple.com/html/attribution.html

LessPop_MoreFizz

@badp Presumably the data from OSM isn't updated live. Apple probably commits an image of the DB periodically.

user30

I wonder how the public transport links will work

user30

because there's god knows how many London Underground apps already

badp

presumably, still doesn't stop vandalism

@thom actually at least for as far as I'm concerned OSM has more data about transit than any other map system I've seen out there

user2334

11:17 PM

@Brant Slower speed. Here's a better comparison. Still $72, though

badp

but that's because the local transport agencies are retarded and prefer to keep their data on the respective websites

LessPop_MoreFizz

@MarkTrapp In reality, it's 150 less whatever the cost of 2x4gb is.

badp

OSM doesn't have timetable but still knows where the stops are.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@MarkTrapp Actually, that price is for 2x4gb

so still disingenuous

user2334

Yeah, not a 1:1 comparison. Site didn't have 8GB DDR3L 1600 RAM

LessPop_MoreFizz

11:19 PM

Because you should know by know that memory prices are not linear as dimm sizes increase.

user30

Yeah, GMaps has timetable data for the rural services around here

Brant

I guess it's a moot point on laptops anyway where all the RAM slots are already filled. When I bought my iMac last year with 4GB (2x2GB) I bought a 2x4GB kit and put it on the two empty slots for 12GB total.

With laptops you'd have to pull out and toss whatever ram Apple put in there (which you already paid for) if you want to upgrade.

badp

@thom envy

user30

So the public transport search works surprisingly well.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@ThomasMcDonald and @badp, For what it's worth, I know Nokia is pushing hard on local transit/pedestrian mapping stuff, including public transit.

Brant

11:21 PM

wheeee

user2334

Crucial has 1x8GB DDR3 1600 for $99. 2x8GB 16GB kit is $191

LessPop_MoreFizz

@MarkTrapp And so, 200 dollars to apple is, if you assume a 72 dollar savings for the 8 gb they're taking out, a 70 dollar markup. Which is, in the scheme of things, not awful.

badp

@less I use Nokia Maps for navigation, still got no commute data here

we're quite simply in the past.

user2334

@LessPop_MoreFizz More or less labor costs

user30

@LessPopMoreFizz @badp As far as I know most (all?) public transport info for the UK is on traveline.info, which licenses it to Google.

LessPop_MoreFizz

11:22 PM

@badp Like I said, I have no idea what the state of the data is. I just know it's a stated priority and something they have lots of people working on.

user30

Which is good because Traveline is a horrible horrible website

badp

It is simply accepted that planning a trip from someplace in Bergamo to someplace in Milan means visiting the Bergamo's, Milan's and regional railways' respective websites separately.

Fredy31

crashes trough mac

user30

For rail journeys I just plug the stations into nationalrail.co.uk

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Fredy31 Keep up, we've moved on from macs to talking about maps

badp

11:24 PM

@thom that's nice, the NL have something similar on a website I've now forgotten the four digit url of

user2334

Macs can't play maps

badp

@lesspop I know you aren't aware, that's why I'm sharing.

FAE

@badp 9292ov.nl

badp

was it 9292.nl? I forget

oh I actually got it \o/ kinda

FAE

@badp both of them work actually

user30

11:27 PM

infact

badp

it ain't GMaps but it tells you the cost of the trip and has very good coverage at least as far as the uses I had of the service go.

user30

UK public transport timetables are 'opendata' and can be downloaded

badp

GMaps does work in Amsterdam though, that was a lifesaver.

@thom niiiice.

Fredy31

Well, this sucks for the community. meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/a/4847/15236

user30

that's surprising actually

Fredy31

11:29 PM

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A: Rebrand overflow: Should we have a new name for community content?

If we do decide to do this, please remember our Facebook page is permanently stuck as https://www.facebook.com/StackGaming, the youtube channel cannot be changed from GamingSE and our email will always be StackGaming@gmail.com amongst other things. I also don't think this is necessary seeing as ...

FAE

@badp Haha, indeed

user30

although that download is a snapshot from last October, so it's not gonna be up to date. There's also a live API for the 360,000 bus stops that have live data

badp

so ready for your olympics Thomas?

user30

As I don't live in London, it doesn't affect me in terms of facilities

badp

boo

you should move to London and tell us about the bloody mess

user30

11:33 PM

and as my dad didn't get any of the £3.5k worth of tickets he applied for, I won't be going to enjoy said facilities.

user30

I can do that though

badp

oh well I'll have the mess told to me from another grumpy Londoner I do know.

user30

since when we went back in April there were a lot of public spaces being ripped up

user30

various tube stations being finished off

user30

we actually went to the Olympic Park. Looked worryingly unfinished.

badp

11:35 PM

and renamed! That must've been fun.

user30

seems like a waste of money to me, not sure who is benefiting from the major investment

badp

should we expect majestic stuff feom the opening ceremony?

user30

corporate partners I imagine

badp

I want to see the queen do the last 50 meters!

user30

did you see our segment at the Beijing closing ceremony? I doubt it.

user30

11:37 PM

although a couple of people I know are drumming/dancing in it

badp

I honestly don't remember.

who gets the olympics in 2016?

Fredy31

damn, i'm trying to find that link from a few days ago talking about what graphic cards to get

user30

It was a routemaster, a few dancers and leona lewis and jimmy page singing Whole Lotta Love iirc

Fredy31

for the 250$ I have

user30

Oh, and then Beckham kicked a football or two into the crowd

badp

11:40 PM

Brazil!

user30

You'll like this.

badp

I'll kick you a soccer too!

nevermind that IIRC our national's out for football these games.

user30

I volunteered to be a 'Games Maker' and volunteer in their technology team.

user30

They wanted me to go to some uni that would have been a £60 return train away for an interview in the middle of my exams for a volunteer place I may/may not have got.

badp

you got nope.avi'd?

user30

11:43 PM

In compensation for volunteering you get transport/food.

user30

You're expected to find somewhere to live for 2 weeks. During the Olympics.

badp

hey that's something!

user30

Unless, you already live in LDN, of course.

badp

I could've hooked you up with sgt baker :P

user30

I just ignored their 'invitation' until they stopped badgering me.

user30

11:44 PM

Would have had to miss some festivals anyway :P

Lazers

0

Q: Minecraf: how do I get to the over world?

I'v looked up how to get to the over world but nothing came up all that I know that it is a (another) weird place (nether, end). do you know how to get to the over world?