The Bridge

Ullallulloo

12:00 AM

I just won a free copy of Grimrock!

From that Reddit thread!

Wipqozn

@Ullallulloo I don't know what grimrock is.

nor do I know what thread you are talking about (dawg yo dawg)

Ullallulloo

@Wipqozn gog.com/en/gamecard/legend_of_grimrock

@Wipqozn reddit.com/r/grimrock/comments/rw69e/…

1 in 53 chance, I think.

Sterno

I'm ready for some Grimrock

Nick T

@agent86 I don't get it, why are you saying I missed the second half?

agent86

@NickT I went on to explain why in the answer.

@Ullallulloo I need to get me one of these new-fangled redthat accounts. I miss out on these giveaways :(

Nick T

12:08 AM

I know vague subjective discussion questions are bad; your answer never touches on that

agent86

@NickT it's two halves of the same statement.

the opposite of practical, answerable questions are chatty, open-ended questions

practical -> chatty / answerable -> open-ended

Nick T

so the two are mutually exclusive and form a complete set?

agent86

I'm not sure I'd go that far, but I think there's a relation.

Nick T

I understand the contrast, but I'm illustrating the point that people just quote mine that first bit

Declaring meme and history questions as categorically off-topic seems asinine; if they're bad (no research effort), then just downvote.

that doesn't mean they are all bad

I don't see what's so special about them

agent86

there are separate threads for both of those discussions, and if you disagree with those discussions, you should post something there

saying the logical conclusion based on those two decisions is to ban all the possible permutations of that argument does very little

Sterno

12:17 AM

Grimrock Countdown Clock!

agent86

it's just a strawman you've created

I can support the history ban (since it's one of those things that's not particularly answerable) but the memes one is more of something I'd agree with you on about downvoting

James

@agent86 Can we burn it? :)

OrigamiRobot

@agent86 They should be migrated to humor.stackexchange.com

Nick T

The arguments for prohibiting both of them both use the "practical problem" quote

@agent86 If we want to call out logical fallacies, that would be what, appeal to authority and quote mining.

OrigamiRobot

@NickT For the jokes, I was going more for the "it's not a practical gaming problem"

user2334

12:23 AM

Fallacy fallacy. Checkmate

Sterno

Have Nazi's come up yet? Can we invoke Godwin's Law?

Nick T

how's it different from any other trivia question

agent86

@NickT the FAQ's short, but people hate a lot of things. shrugs

user2334

@Sterno That's something Hitler would say.

Sterno

@MarkTrapp BAM

Wipqozn

12:25 AM

@MarkTrapp buuurn

OrigamiRobot

@Wipqozn That's my line!

agent86

@NickT I don't know that I'm appealing to authority, if I have any authority it's terribly minimal considering the way people treat me :)

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot You're just too slow robot tortoise shades

agent86

not making an argument, just stating my position

James

@MarkTrapp That link hurt my head :P

OrigamiRobot

12:26 AM

Feb 29 at 13:07, by OrigamiRobot

@Wipqozn Your face is too slow!

Wipqozn

@agent86 We don't treat you poorly! Be quiet!

agent86

@Wipqozn yes sir :(

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot oh snap

agent86

I'm just the janitor with the big keyring.

I mop up people's messes and I can get into the teacher's lounge.

OrigamiRobot

@Wipqozn I'm freaking out, man.

user2334

12:27 AM

The snozberries taste like snozberries!

Wipqozn

@agent86 That's a really good way of putting it, haha

Nick T

@MarkTrapp if the end result rests solely on the argument, then how is that a fallacy

The question of "on-topic good questions" here isn't some fundamental truth of the universe

Wipqozn

@NickT He said checkmate. There's no way you can counter that.

OrigamiRobot

@Wipqozn @badp can.

user2334

Fallacies come in, fallacies go out. You can't explain that.

agent86

12:31 AM

@MarkTrapp Watch out, we've got a badass over here.

Nick T

Re: history, @StrixVaria's argument rests on saying the problems aren't real problems, so how is that any different from the rest of the trivia/plot questions

Lazers

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Q: What dragons do I need to complete the "Every Last One" achievement?

The achievement text says: Possess every dragon in DragonVale... all at once. What is the complete list of dragon breeds needed? I'm hoping that limited dragons aren't included, since that would make this achievement impossible at this point. I'm also interested to know if dragons in the ...

dragonvale

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Q: Is it possible to get data off of a dead PS3

Is possible to get the data off of the hard drive of a PlayStation that has crashed. I have already voided the warranty so I am not worried about that and I have access to quite a few tools. I have a new playstation and a few saves that were not backed u. I am not worried about them but if it i...

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user2334

@NickT There's a statement that's up for debate. Whether one argument proving that statement happens to be fallacious does not refute the truth or falsity of the statement when other, more cogent arguments exist. Saying X is a fallacy does nothing.

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot But @badp can do anything, so that doesn't count.

OrigamiRobot

@Wipqozn Can @badp create an argument so good that even he can't beat it?

Wipqozn

12:33 AM

@OrigamiRobot That sounds like the kind of question only badp could answer.

agent86

WHAR IS MY RASPBERRY PI, WHARR???

Ben Brocka

@agent86 I eated it :c

agent86

@OrigamiRobot he can't be wrong, so it's like schrodinger's cat. there's a superposition of states wherein he's right both when proposing and refuting his unbeatable argument

@BenBrocka noooooooooo

Ben Brocka

It was delicious and efficiently produced

agent86

but... but... now what will I hax0r on?

Nick T

12:36 AM

@MarkTrapp so what is your argument for categorically axing history and/or meme questions

murgatroid99

@MarkTrapp It does mean that one of the better arguments would need to be brought up to validate the conclusion

Ben Brocka

@agent86 Your C64 or TI83 calculator, of course

user2334

@NickT This is where the straw man comes in: I don't have to come up with an argument for categorically axing history and/or meme questions because you a) haven't defined what you mean by that by showing wrongfully closed questions b) it's not clear anyone ever made that argument in the first place

Wipqozn

night ladies and agents

Swoosh

OrigamiRobot

@Wipqozn troll ping

user2334

12:39 AM

@NickT Beyond that, you haven't shown why an ostensibly bad argument for banning history/meme questions invalidates the practical problems clause in the FAQ. Meme/history questions might not fit that definition, but it doesn't follow that the definition is bad.

user2334

@murgatroid99 Sure: one ought to attack the problems with the argument instead of invalidating the conclusion from the argument, though.

Nick T

@MarkTrapp the arguments on the history meta post revolve around them not being 'practical questions you face'

user2334

@NickT StrixVaria's answer addresses a specific question and provides some criteria for determining if a similar question would be on-topic. Same for janlxndriv. FAE's answer asks for consensus. I don't see a categorical ban on history questions.

user2334

So I'm not in a position to come up with a better argument for something that's not actually true.

Nick T

@MarkTrapp Strix makes it sound like the argument is against the entire class ('these questions')

user2334

12:46 AM

Why not ask @StrixVaria whether it's a categorical ban on the questions, and to clarify or expand the argument if it's not up to snuff?

StrixVaria

I don't want to categorically ban trivia questions.

I think history questions are bad.

Whether that argument is a good reason to ban them or not, whatever.

I'm not getting any more involved in the argument than that I think questions should be judged on their own merits rather than doing categorical bans. (Except game-rec and ITG, of course.)

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Nick T

I'm cynical, but I forsee people voting to close future 'history questions' then pointing to your post as justification as based on the fairly one-sided voting it kinda looks like consensus

StrixVaria

Feel free to edit my post to your liking as long as it still says history questions should be banned.

Nick T

what would be the point then?

StrixVaria

Meh.

I'm not worrying about the semantics so much. I see your point about possibly setting a precedent.

But if we actually start judging questions based on their own merits instead of what categories they fall into, that can be its own precedent.

Now it's dinner time.

user2334

12:51 AM

@NickT The FAQ is the place for quick rules of thumb, not meta posts. You're doing it wrong if you're using meta posts as a means to come up with categorical rules and maxims.

Nick T

People are always saying see this or that meta post as to why they're closing a question

@StrixVaria true, I agree with this, but the more people hit 3k and look at meta once in a while to figure out what's currently policy, the more the mob can rule

StrixVaria

I don't see us in a very bad state yet.

user2334

@NickT I don't see that as edict linking: I see it as people being helpful by pointing others the place where they can better understand the discussion that took place and participate if they so desire.

Lazers

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Q: How much experience do you get for feeding dragons?

I've found many references to getting experience for feeding dragons, and I recall the in game tutorial mentioning it. I've searched all over, and I can't find the exact formula for treats to experience. What is the ratio or formula for treats to experience?

dragonvale

Nick T

ffs, why is my numeric integration off by 0.5% even with 5000 points

is that even possible or is my thing broken?

Lazers

1:25 AM

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Q: What is the meaning of the pink face?

There is a pink face right beside the sparkle that indicates Shiny. What is the meaning of that face? It's at the left side of the "marks" that you can put. You can see them in summary window or at the computer. NOTES: Pokemon White (5th Generation). I Have a Cabalion and a Zekrom with this pi...

pokemon

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Q: Minecraft - do any mobs dive to get you?

If a mob is chasing you and the only way to get you is by diving? I know they swim to get you but never saw them diving

minecraft mobs

Ktash

1:36 AM

anyone on right now got 10k+?

Michel Ayres

hi

?

Ullallulloo

@MichelAyres hai.

Ben Brocka

@MichelAyres hello

Michel Ayres

i hate so much Pokemon >.< why they have to make us find someone with the oposite version >.< (i want so badly my white forest full T_T)

@BenBrocka Hi ben xD

user15026

Hello

Ben Brocka

1:39 AM

@MichelAyres It's genius deisgn really, it forces interaction making the social aspect of the game work

Michel Ayres

I am felling so much welcome here tonight o.O

Ktash

So, can someone with 10k or more on any SE site tell me if they show your full rep amount (exactly) in your user bar at the top or if it uses the estimate as well?

Ben Brocka

...or it makes you buy two copies of the game, either way they win

Ktash

@BenBrocka That's what I did... :/

user15026

@Ktash No, the top bar shows the full value

user15026

1:40 AM

like mine says 11,437 atm

Ullallulloo

@MichelAyres With the internet, it's less of a deal though, I think...

Ktash

@DerpyHooves Perrrfect

Ullallulloo

Although I've never connected mine with it.

user15026

@Ktash Glad to help :)

Michel Ayres

@BenBrocka true. i am trying to find some info about the new pokemon. if i should buy the black or white v.2

Ullallulloo

1:40 AM

I have brothers with the complimenting versions.

@MichelAyres Opposite of what you got the first time maybe?

agent86

@EBongo, probably headed to dungeon defenders soon, if you're around and want to join

Ben Brocka

@DerpyHooves did you stop plaing dragonvale?

Michel Ayres

@Ullallulloo yeap, but i read somewhere on web that you should buy the same version

Ullallulloo

@MichelAyres hmm. :x

Ben Brocka

@MichelAyres er, why?

Michel Ayres

1:42 AM

that they were making it like this, so you don't get confused

user15026

@BenBrocka For the moment. I tend to get distracted XD I will go back to it eventuallly

Ben Brocka

@DerpyHooves ah

Michel Ayres

there are too few info about version 2 around ><

Ben Brocka

I didn't know there was a version 2

I haven't got B/W yet

user15026

@BenBrocka Been playing a lot of Epic Astro Story

Ullallulloo

1:43 AM

@MichelAyres Yeah, it's pretty hard to make a decision already. :P

Michel Ayres

@BenBrocka joystiq.com/2012/03/17/…

i hope they improve the search on the GTS

Ben Brocka

Weird that they'd finally pull a V 2, that doesn't seem like them

Michel Ayres

adding: With/without item, shiny/normal and level

@BenBrocka yeah, there is a mess about it. they never did it before

Nick T

down to 0.014% error using 100k points, laaame.

takes my computer like 1-2 secs per integration, and I want to do 1k :\

Michel Ayres

I am used to 90% of the answers for my questions I also Upvote. is that a bad habit ?

Ullallulloo

1:49 AM

@MichelAyres Not as long as they're good answers. :)

Voting's good.

It's your Civic Duty.

Michel Ayres

@Ullallulloo hahaha xD I don't know why I don't have this one yet, i spend so much votes =X

Ullallulloo

@MichelAyres You're close. 280

Fredy31

crashes through that ridiculously photogenic guy

Michel Ayres

@Ullallulloo Nice link xD

Ben Brocka

it's a long term goal. I've already got it though, only been using G.SE fir a couple months

Michel Ayres

1:53 AM

G.SE is more fun than the others

=X

Generic question: Nature for an Abra. Modest Mild or Rash ?? bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Nature

I was thinking about Modest, but not sure =X

Lazers

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Q: Fastest ways to level multiple skills in Skyrim

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