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GnomeSlice

3:00 PM

@SaintWacko No? I saw the scene on youtube... goriest thing ever, if a little hokey.

fredley

@GnomeSlice I think you mean people with agendas to push, push agendas.

SaintWacko

@OrigamiRobot Seriously, It'd be funny to see someone who's played a bunch of counterstrike or something pick up a real gun and try to fire it. See how good that practice is

@GnomeSlice I'm sure you did, but it wasn't from 300

Oh!

GnomeSlice

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Okay, nobody watch that at work.

SaintWacko

I misread "what" as "that"

tiddy

@GnomeSlice That was directed by Peter Jackson

SaintWacko

3:01 PM

My bad, nevermind

GnomeSlice

@tiddy Dead Alive?

fredley

@GnomeSlice Stop posting NSFW content

GnomeSlice

@fredley It's not really nsfw, but it's really bloody.

tiddy

@GnomeSlice There is a scene in it where his mom is falling apart in her soup. THAT made me gag

fredley

@GnomeSlice You just said it was NSFW!

GnomeSlice

3:01 PM

@fredley Your boss might think more 'wtf is that guy watching' than 'that's nsfw'

Trent Hawkins

@fbueckert I got bored and started creating a ship in my usual form over function ways again.

GnomeSlice

@tiddy Yeah....

OrigamiRobot

@SaintWacko Penn and Teller did this on Bullshit with a little kid. They took him to a shooting range. He cried. It was kinda sad and they apologized profusely.

fbueckert

@TrentHawkins Oh, boy.

tiddy

But yeah, PJ did that

GnomeSlice

3:01 PM

@TrentHawkins That's what I did with my station core. =[

I still can't get it into orbit in one piece.

Trent Hawkins

tiddy

He was all over bloody horror before LOTR

GnomeSlice

@TrentHawkins AWESOME

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Making kids cry is a fundamental tenet of SCIENCE

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@TrentHawkins I am buying this game over the hols

OrigamiRobot

@fredley cc: @spugsley

fbueckert

3:02 PM

@TrentHawkins Looks like a hanglider

GnomeSlice

Speaking of Science:

SaintWacko

@OrigamiRobot And of course, the implications of that were probably completely ignored

GnomeSlice

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SaintWacko

@fredley I bought it. It is difficult

GnomeSlice

Anyone who liked Portal and Portal: the flash version should play this.

SaintWacko

3:03 PM

B. F. Skinner

Burrhus Frederic "B. F." Skinner (March 20, 1904 – August 18, 1990) was an American psychologist, behaviorist, author, inventor, and social philosopher. He was the Edgar Pierce Professor of Psychology at Harvard University from 1958 until his retirement in 1974. Skinner invented the operant conditioning chamber, also known as the Skinner Box. He innovated his own philosophy of science called radical behaviorism, and founded his own school of experimental research psychology—the experimental analysis of behavior. His analysis of human behavior culminated in his work Verbal Behavior,...

fredley

@GnomeSlice can you link to the actual game?

SaintWacko

@fredley That would be useful

fbueckert

@SaintWacko And teaches you so much about rocket science.

Trent Hawkins

@fbueckert I still need to add the whole "get it into orbit" bits, but... it survives the "stand upright on the launchpad without blowing up" challenge.

GnomeSlice

@fredley Gateways on Steam

@TrentHawkins That's easy if you use support towers.

SaintWacko

3:04 PM

@fbueckert Yep, it's mostly figuring out the controls that bug me

Trent Hawkins

@GnomeSlice Yeah, but - without.

SaintWacko

The training doesn't really say much about the controls

fbueckert

@GnomeSlice That's cheating.

SaintWacko

And you can't access the controls from in a mission -.-

GnomeSlice

@TrentHawkins Would you be willing to see if you could build a rocket to launch my station core into orbit?

SaintWacko

3:05 PM

Fortunately I found a list online

GnomeSlice

I want to know if it's even possible.

Trent Hawkins

@GnomeSlice My main concern was pieces clipping and going boom.

fredley

@GnomeSlice Looks beautiful, but so much of a mindfuck

GnomeSlice

@TrentHawkins Yeah, that's annoying.

SaintWacko

I have so many ideas I want to try. I really want to make an aircraft launched rocket

Ronan Forman

3:05 PM

@fbueckert Why?

SaintWacko

Should be easy to get to orbit

GnomeSlice

@fredley It's not that bad actually, they're intentionally spamming gateways to clusterfuck the screen in that trailer.

SaintWacko

Also, are there mountains on kerbal?

GnomeSlice

@SaintWacko Yes.

I got a kerbal to the peak once.

Lazers

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Q: Convoy is attacked

My convoy is stuck at attacked but whenever I go to the frontier to defend it, I don't see the icon to do so. I have checked a ton of times. I can't defend it using recruits either. Help please!

assassins-creed-3

GnomeSlice

3:06 PM

I had to drive there and then walk the last two kilometres or so.

SaintWacko

I wonder if I could build a launch rail up the side of the mountain...

Trent Hawkins

@GnomeSlice Perhaps - but first - my current monstrosity.

GnomeSlice

@SaintWacko Oh. No. Too far away.

fbueckert

@RonanForman I see the support towers as a crutch; your rocket should be able to hold itself up without needing those.

GnomeSlice

I thought of a launch rail already :P But I suspect if you built one even on the runway it would just blow up when you tried to run up it.

SaintWacko

3:06 PM

@GnomeSlice Wait. You can't choose the placement of your launch site?

GnomeSlice

@fbueckert If the bottom engines have thrust vectoring it becomes very unstable.

Ronan Forman

@fbueckert I don't see why you'd hinder your rocket for no real reason.

fbueckert

@SaintWacko There's a Heinlein reference.

GnomeSlice

@SaintWacko No, it's from the space centre.

fbueckert

@RonanForman Extra challenge?

GnomeSlice

3:07 PM

@fbueckert Besides which, even with a flat bottomed object, if it's tall enough, it will sway and wobble.

Ronan Forman

@fbueckert That doesn't make using them cheating.

SaintWacko

@fbueckert That's where I got the idea from :D

Glad someone else knows it

GnomeSlice

@TrentHawkins Well, if you want to see my ship, it's downloadable here: ge.tt/4VCDE0T?c

fbueckert

@SaintWacko I grew up on Heinlein.

SaintWacko

@GnomeSlice That's disappointing. I want to build the space center somewhere else

@fbueckert Same here. And Asimov, and Niven...

fbueckert

3:08 PM

@SaintWacko The game's in alpha, dude.

GnomeSlice

@SaintWacko Alas no. At least, not yet, who knows what they'll allow in the future.

@fbueckert Say, I have a new challenge for you.

fbueckert

They might add that in later, but currently, you're stuck.

SaintWacko

@fbueckert Ah, that's true

GnomeSlice

@fbueckert Land a station core on the Mun.

New challenge!

SaintWacko

@GnomeSlice Build a moon base?

That's be cool

GnomeSlice

3:09 PM

@SaintWacko yesyesyesyesyes

Fluttershy

@Lazers Duuuuuupe!

I really wish I could reply from the mobile site. =(

GnomeSlice

I want to build a moon rover, but there's still only one type of wheels, which is landing gear for airplanes.

Ronan Forman

@GnomeSlice What does the core do?

GnomeSlice

@RonanForman Lets you put kerbals in it.

Ronan Forman

That's all?

GnomeSlice

3:10 PM

yesterday, by GnomeSlice

fbueckert

@GnomeSlice Fairly simple, actually.

GnomeSlice

@RonanForman I mean you can control it too.

fbueckert

Hardest part will be landing.

GnomeSlice

@RonanForman A 'station core' is just an object with kerbal storage, and some means of control on it. And at least one docking clamp.

SaintWacko

@fbueckert Bit easier, though, since you don't have to take off again

GnomeSlice

3:10 PM

@fbueckert And docking additional parts. :P

SaintWacko

@GnomeSlice Can you dock on the surface?

fbueckert

@GnomeSlice Easy. Docking bits at the bottom. Wheeled rovers. Done.

GnomeSlice

@SaintWacko I dunno, but you could probably dock from above.

@fbueckert Aha, so have it raised off the ground?

SaintWacko

@GnomeSlice Oh now that would be tough

GnomeSlice

@fbueckert Still, I'd like to see it, there's your challenge. =]

fbueckert

3:11 PM

@GnomeSlice That would work.

GnomeSlice

Also you have to name it after me.

SaintWacko

@fbueckert OR docking on the side, and wheeled station parts the same height

fbueckert

@GnomeSlice Docking in gravity when you're not on the surface is unreasonable.

Ronan Forman

There should be a VAB you can put on a ship, so they don't have to be streamlined.

GnomeSlice

@RonanForman VAB?

fbueckert

3:12 PM

@GnomeSlice I should point out that the only challenges I give you are ones I have done.

Ronan Forman

Vehicle assembly base.

GnomeSlice

@fbueckert So? You said yourself it would be possible.

@RonanForman How would you put that on a ship?

fbueckert

@GnomeSlice Only with modded parts.

SaintWacko

@RonanForman Oh, so you can build and launch ships on the Mun?

GnomeSlice

The VAB is where you BUILD your rockets.

fbueckert

3:12 PM

@SaintWacko Nope

Kerbin or bust, currently.

GnomeSlice

@fbueckert Oh, that's not what you said.

SaintWacko

@fbueckert Right, I'm saying if you could take a VAB to the Mun

Ronan Forman

@SaintWacko That kind of idea.

GnomeSlice

@fbueckert If you could drive beneath your docking clamps you could use rockets to rise a few feet to dock with them.

SaintWacko

You could then launch in much lighter gravity, and use less fuel to break orbit

GnomeSlice

3:13 PM

In Munar gravity.

fbueckert

@SaintWacko Nope. Every rocket launches on Kerbin.

GnomeSlice

@fbueckert 'if'

fbueckert

@GnomeSlice I might give it a shot.

SaintWacko

@fbueckert I know! I'm talking about @RonanForman's idea

fbueckert

@SaintWacko Spacedocks.

GnomeSlice

3:14 PM

Also, it's really hard to build a ground vehicle on Kerbin.

Ronan Forman

@SaintWacko You still have to shuttle parts to the VAB however.

fbueckert

Pretty sure that's in the list of things to add.

SaintWacko

@fbueckert That would be even better. Build a shipyard in space

GnomeSlice

If you go very fast it flips over.

SaintWacko

@RonanForman Unless you could find materials on the moon!

OH! Make a base in the asteroids, and mine them for materials, and build ship parts!

GnomeSlice

3:15 PM

@SaintWacko There's nothing on the Mun at all.

SaintWacko

That would be very far in the game's future, but it would be awesome

GnomeSlice

Except for some really silly textures.

SaintWacko

@GnomeSlice Right, I'm talking about future stuff

fbueckert

@SaintWacko There are mods that allow you to "mine" resources from Mun.

GnomeSlice

I've only landed successfully on the Mun three times.

SaintWacko

3:16 PM

@fbueckert What about asteroids?

GnomeSlice

@TrentHawkins Also, here's the core in question:

fbueckert

@SaintWacko I'm not sure if asteroids have been implemented yet.

GnomeSlice

SaintWacko

@fbueckert Hm, okay

fbueckert

They've got other planets for you to land on, but not asteroids, I don't think.

GnomeSlice

3:17 PM

That station core can handle almost any lateral stress you can throw at it.

It basically holds my rocket together on the way up.

But the goddamn RCS tank on the bottom keeps falling off on the way up.

I got it into orbit the first time and then realized it was missing.

LessPop_MoreFizz

For those of you eagerly awaiting SolForge, you ought to know that Ascension for iOS is free until tomorrow.

SaintWacko

@GnomeSlice Send an RCS tank up first, then rendezvous?

GnomeSlice

@SaintWacko It has no means of attaching then. But lol.

@LessPop_MoreFizz Eh, there's loads of iOS card games.

SaintWacko

@GnomeSlice You can't dock to it or something?

GnomeSlice

@SaintWacko It would have to have another docking clamp on the bottom then. And then it wouldn't be symmetrical.

The whole point of that module is that you can put tons of them together.

SaintWacko

3:19 PM

Oh, does the gravity in KSP properly simulate Lagrange points?

@GnomeSlice Ah, okay

fbueckert

@SaintWacko Theoretically, yes.

GnomeSlice

@fbueckert Can you take a look at my ship?

ge.tt/4VCDE0T?c

SaintWacko

@fbueckert Heh. That'd be the perfect place for a station. Put it in L4 or L5, and you don't even need to worry about station keeping

GnomeSlice

I realize it's really big and the core is way too heavy but it's so close to working perfectly.

fbueckert

@GnomeSlice I'm at work, dude.

GnomeSlice

3:20 PM

@fbueckert I mean later, obviously.

fbueckert

@SaintWacko You already don't have to worry about it; as long as your orbit doesn't clip the atmosphere, you're golden.

Fluttershy

Anyone in here have any experience with trying to quit smoking?

SaintWacko

@fbueckert Oh, the simulation isn't that accurate? Well, I guess that makes it easier

GnomeSlice

@Fluttershy I have a friend who has been quitting for a while (dunno if he stopped or made it), but I haven't really talked to him since highschool.

fbueckert

@SaintWacko It's pretty darn accurate; gravity fields are just really weak.

GnomeSlice

3:24 PM

a.k.a. a couple of years ago.

Martin Sojka

@SaintWacko Only for the first few million years.

tiddy

@Fluttershy What's the level of smoking we're talking about here

SaintWacko

@fbueckert It's not just gravity. The atmosphere doesn't just stop, it gets weaker and weaker. Things in orbit are still affected by drag, and have to be periodically boosted back into their orbit

@MartinSojka By then the Kerbal singularity will have occurred and they'll all be free-floating consciousnesses :P

Martin Sojka

@Fluttershy My grandfather and father both stopped smoking after a few decades. They both just decided to do it, and did.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@GnomeSlice Yes, and Ascension is made by the same people that make SolForge.

GnomeSlice

3:26 PM

@SaintWacko I don't know a whole lot about planetary mechanics, but if there's no air, why is there drag?

@LessPop_MoreFizz Is that good?

SaintWacko

@GnomeSlice There is air

GnomeSlice

@SaintWacko Depends on how high you are. :P

LessPop_MoreFizz

8 mins ago, by LessPop_MoreFizz

For those of you eagerly awaiting SolForge, you ought to know that Ascension for iOS is free until tomorrow.

For those eagerly awaiting solforge, it can be assumed to be, yes.

SaintWacko

@GnomeSlice No, there's always something

GnomeSlice

@LessPop_MoreFizz That doesn't answer my question... is that good?

@LessPop_MoreFizz I see.

SaintWacko

3:27 PM

You're not going to naturally find a true vacuum

GnomeSlice

@SaintWacko Well, you can put Ion Engines on your station too.

So that solves that I guess?

They're pretty weak though.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@GnomeSlice It answers your question if you have basic reading comprehension and inference skills. So I apologize for making that assumption.

GnomeSlice

@LessPop_MoreFizz Shut the fuck up.

SaintWacko

@GnomeSlice Do those have unlimited fuel?

Martin Sojka

@GnomeSlice For moderate amount of drag, yes.

SaintWacko

3:28 PM

@GnomeSlice That's all that's needed, really

GnomeSlice

@SaintWacko If you have solar panels, yeah. Well, almost, they use a very small amount of Xenon, which you can store a huge amount of with very little space.

SaintWacko

@GnomeSlice In that case, I want to use them to make an interstellar spacecraft

GnomeSlice

One tiny little Xenon box contains '700' units. I have no idea how much ion engines use over time, but the xenon usage stats on the engine says 0.1 or something.

Martin Sojka

@SaintWacko Ion engines have essentially unlimited fuel; they propel ionised atoms with electric fields generated by the solar panel; and you can gather those atoms from the area.

SaintWacko

Does the amount of energy gained from solar panels decrease with distance from the sun?

Fluttershy

3:29 PM

@tiddy Been smoking for about six years. Trying to quit. Just got slammed by a craving, and I'm unsure how to deal with it. X_x

Martin Sojka

On the other hand, they are very, very, very low-delta-V.

GnomeSlice

@SaintWacko I don't see why it should. But it definitely decreases if obscured or on the dark side of the planet.

SaintWacko

@MartinSojka Ah, that's what I was wondering. I know how they work, but I wasn't sure if you could get more fuel

GnomeSlice

@Fluttershy If you want, I can try to ring up my buddy and ask him how he got through it.

OrigamiRobot

@Fluttershy Find a friend to punch you in the face each time you want to smoke. Pavlov!

SaintWacko

3:30 PM

@GnomeSlice Well, in real life it decreases the farther away you are

fbueckert

@SaintWacko Yeah, Kerbin is smaller than Earth, so the atmosphere stops completely at ~70km up.

Martin Sojka

@SaintWacko In reality, you can get all you need from solar wind if you don't mind it being slow. No idea about Kerbals. :)

GnomeSlice

@SaintWacko I guess, but not by much, there's no atmosphere to interfere with the rays.

tiddy

@Fluttershy Hows the thought of dying from cancer in a hospital bed sit with you

breathing through a machine

fbueckert

@MartinSojka KSP uses a non-renewable resource for ion engines so you don't have theoretically unlimited engines.

OrigamiRobot

3:31 PM

@tiddy Or killing those around you with second hand smoke.

GnomeSlice

@fbueckert How much Xenon do they use over time though? Not much.

tiddy

@OrigamiRobot Pfft, who cares about those assholes

GnomeSlice

And you can store 700 in one of those tiny ass containers.

fbueckert

@GnomeSlice Not much, but they're not unlimited.

GnomeSlice

A single module of my station core has 8 x 700 units of Xenon.

fbueckert

3:31 PM

If they were, it would make doing anything trivial.

tiddy

@Fluttershy But seriously, I'd look into nicotine alternatives, and possibly something to hold in your hand while you do

GnomeSlice

Although it also has 8 ion engines.

Well, 4 in the most recent rendition.

Martin Sojka

@Fluttershy We got my father nicotine patches; but he only used a few of them. Mostly, it was just strength of will and the conviction it just isn't good for him.

tiddy

@Fluttershy You probably aren't confortable with idle hands

Trent Hawkins

@GnomeSlice currently, at full burn, 6 are using .73 Xenon per second.

GnomeSlice

3:32 PM

@TrentHawkins That's... a lot.

But still, if you stuck 8 or 10 Xenon tanks on there, you could go for a long time.

Also, @fbueckert @TrentHawkins Can you refuel Xenon from docking ships?

You could send some more up to it.

SaintWacko

@fbueckert Oh, that's realistic :P

fbueckert

Yeah, Earth's atmosphere goes up to ~700 km.

SaintWacko

@MartinSojka I'm talking really interstellar though. Far enough that solar wind isn't really an issue anymore

fbueckert

@SaintWacko It is; atmosphere DOES stop eventually.

Trent Hawkins

... Nnnope, not achieving orbit this time... time to see how it handles atmosphere.

SaintWacko

3:34 PM

@GnomeSlice The photons spread out, though, and not as many will strike a given surface. Why do you think the farther out planets are colder, and the closer ones hotter?

@fbueckert Yes, but not at 70km

OrigamiRobot

@SaintWacko Why is it not realistic?

Fluttershy

@tiddy I tried the gum, but couldn't deal with the burning feeling it caused in my mouth.

Might try patches...

OrigamiRobot

It's not Earth Space Program.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Fluttershy Just chew regular gum.

SaintWacko

@OrigamiRobot To have the atmosphere just cut off at 70km?

OrigamiRobot

3:36 PM

41 secs ago, by OrigamiRobot

@SaintWacko Why is it not realistic?

Lazers

0

Q: Questions about a pivot

I did the tutorial for the pivots and got my first 3 pivots. But if you plant a pivot and another player finds it, what happens to the pivot? Do you lose it forever? Do you have to find it again? Does it change locations? I am a bit worried that I might lose the pivots.

assassins-creed-3

0

Q: Black Ops 2 killstreak key (PC)

I'm confused on which key to be used to use killstreak in Black Ops2 PC. Have tried to check the config, but it seems not bounded to any key. Any idea which is the default key for using the killstreak?

pc call-of-duty-black-ops-2

fbueckert

@SaintWacko Smaller planet, lower level of atmosphere.

OrigamiRobot

@fbueckert And who knows what that atmosphere is composed of.

Fluttershy

@LessPop_MoreFizz I totally forgot I have regular gum in my coat! Damn secret pockets...

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Fluttershy The idea of a lot of the aids is to recreate the ritual of smoking, without the actual tobacco/fire/smoke. It's easier to quit for some people when you separate the physical nicotine dependency from the mental habits of needing to do something with your hands/have something in your mouth.

fbueckert

3:37 PM

@SaintWacko It's not like it's full atmo up to 70km, and then it cuts off; it degrades as you go higher.

Martin Sojka

@OrigamiRobot Basically, the atmosphere just thins out until the point where the outer fringes are weak enough to get blown off into intersolar space by the solar wind; consequently, it has a kind of teardrop shape, with a long (and winding) tail at the dark end.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Fluttershy Stuff like the patches, by contrast, aims to do the opposite - you keep the nicotine and you break the ritual first.

Fluttershy

@LessPop_MoreFizz I understand the theories and ideas behind quitting. It's just hard to put them to use during a particularly rough time. Outside support is sometimes needed.

OrigamiRobot

@MartinSojka And? Who even says the universe in KSP obeys the same laws as ours?

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Fluttershy Yeah, I hear ya.

tiddy

3:40 PM

@Fluttershy When did you start smoking

@Fluttershy And why

fbueckert

@OrigamiRobot Mostly, it does, within the limits of computer modelling.

GnomeSlice

@TrentHawkins Lol...

OrigamiRobot

@fbueckert SHUSH

GnomeSlice

@TrentHawkins You're going to try to fly it?

Fluttershy

@LessPop_MoreFizz That's where I find myself now. I'm over the physical addiction. The mental part is just difficult at the moment.But your reminding me I have regular gum has helped!

@tiddy The "why" is a bit too personal. But I started smoking in February of 2006.

SaintWacko

3:42 PM

@fbueckert I suppose... Given the difficulty in achieving orbit, I thought it was a similar size to Earth. Do you know the acceleration due to gravity on Kerbin?

Trent Hawkins

@GnomeSlice Try was the operative word. It did not go well.

@GnomeSlice If there was a means of thrust that was great enough, it MIGHT have worked.... Ion was not up to the task.

Martin Sojka

@OrigamiRobot It would be awesome if it did. :) Also, the Earth's atmosphere interacts with its (rather strong for such a small planet) magnetic field, and the result resembles a very hairy ball in wind.

GnomeSlice

@TrentHawkins Heh. I guess the physics should work the same whether or not you launch from the airstrip.

Never tried it though.

SaintWacko

@TrentHawkins Wait... That launches from the surface using ion?

OrigamiRobot

Dec 15 at 2:38, by OrigamiRobot

@MBraedley I wish my attention span for this game was more than "make the rocket go higher and faster"

Trent Hawkins

3:47 PM

@SaintWacko Oh, nonono... It uses my usual overcompensation to launch. Ion is just all that the final stage has left.

SaintWacko