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5:00 PM
I'm perhaps the last person to notice but...
 
When'd that happen?
 
@Powerlord Oh, okay. Yeah that's the game.
 
@ArdaXi I believe it happened a few weeks ago.
 
I didn't notice either, cool
 
@Powerlord It just happened yesterday
 
5:02 PM
@FallenAngelEyes You sure? I thought they had a SO blog entry about it a while back.
 
@Powerlord That was about BlogOverflow
 
user30
Moving to a subdomain of g.se happened yesterday
 
What @Arda said
 
> System Requirements: PC running Windows XP/Vista/Windows 7 with 1 GHz CPU, 512 MB RAM and OpenGL 1.1 compatible.
How useful when I'm trying to get the Linux version to work.
 
@ArdaXi Linux doesn't have games, everyone knows that. >:D
 
5:06 PM
@Powerlord Well, no, but it does have APT.
 
Apparently it happened tonight.
 
Any distribution worth using has APT anyway.
 
It disappoints me that so many of you are on Google's "give us even more information. We won't misuse it like Facebook does, honest!" service.
 
I would if I could.
 
user30
I'm not on it either
 
5:08 PM
I have no interest in G+
I find it heavily ironic that people think that Google, of all companies, is going to treat your information with more respect for privacy than FB.
 
I don't think so. I also don't really value privacy.
Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (version 0x1040700) with this library (version 0x1040702)
 
@ArdaXi Well, I do, hence the lack of G+. Different strokes.
 
@FallenAngelEyes I don't, hence the lack of G+.
 
@FallenAngelEyes I do not; I trust Google so much more than Facebook. Google didn't actually get any new information from me anyway.
 
@ArdaXi Time to apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade!
 
5:12 PM
@Powerlord I did, didn't work.
I like giving my information to Google, but they won't let me.
 
@ArdaXi In that case, welcome to (the Linux equivalent of)
In computing, DLL Hell is a term for the complications that arise when working with dynamic link libraries (DLLs) used with Microsoft Windows operating systems, particularly legacy 16-bit editions which all run in a single memory space. Although the term is Windows-specific (the more general term is dependency hell) the rhyme is often used to depict a dependency hell case. DLL Hell often shows up in a Windows alert pop-up that reports something similar to "A Required DLL File, Z.DLL, was not found" or "The procedure entry point Y couldn't be located in X.DLL" when users try to run an appli...
 
Yay :D
@Powerlord SO Hell.
 
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DavRob60I'm trying to find a game I played on my old Commodore 64. It was a some kind of Boulder Dash clone, specifically the digging and Rocks handling part, I don't remember any gems and diamonds to collect, but there was some enemies to avoid. The goal was to move on to the exit. I think the "hero" ...

 
Are we ever going to kill ITG with fire?
 
@ArdaXi We've been thinking about it
 
5:22 PM
Ha, on an article about people wanting the iPhone 5 without ever having seen it, there are some really great comments
 
@Powerlord Link.
 
> So you're basically looking for a new device to continue your meaningless, consumer-driven lives?
> Certainly. It's the patriotic thing to do. Why do you hate America?
3
 
@GraceNote I don't have any reasons to dislike ITG mainly, I just like killing with fire.
 
5:36 PM
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Mark RogersIn the treasure map quest, the player has to destroy a set of laser towers. The only problem is that they more powerful and longer range than my own lasers. Also the tenacious towers can apparently shoot down longer range missiles (I learned to my dismay), as well as powerful shields. What's th...

 
This issue of Unskippable is above average
 
Me and some friends are on this MC server if anyone wants to join us: 195.234.11.68
 
google.com/support/websearch/bin/answer.py?answer=1067707 <-- Note: This is why I log out of GMail every time I finish checking it.
When I'm not using IMAP to check it (which I do at home) that is.
 
@Powerlord meh, I rarely get bothered over GMail chat.
 
6:03 PM
Oh cool. Notch has fixed the Forever Alone problem of Minecraft.
Now those unskinned fellas will help you relocate blocks.
 
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user30
10 more rep 'til 2k.
 
HMMMPH HMMMMMPH!
 
@badp This is my world, you are not welcome in my world
 
user30
now only 8. I approve.
 
6:18 PM
Na na nana, na na nana, CruelCow's woooooorld
Na na nana, na na nana, CruelCow's wooooooorld
 
user30
All around me are familiar faces
 
user30
Worn out places
 
user30
Anyway, @cruel, I could't ping you earlier for some reason
 
user30
but those badges are now in the TF item schema
 
6:23 PM
@badp Oh well, Sesame Street references are more fun than TF2 references
 
@ThomasMcDonald I wasn't online at the time, but I got the ping, thanks.
@Mana but TF2 is more well known :P
 
@Mana You should totally play TF2 so you don't get caught off guard next time and groan appropriately
 
user30
Yeah, I knew you weren't online, but it didn't suggest your name in the autocomplete
 
@ThomasMcDonald Badges? BADGES?! We don't need no stinking badges!
 
user30
@Powerlord I know. But I'm getting one anyway.
 
user30
6:25 PM
Also, okay. :(
 
user30
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A: When to use & instead of "and"

Joel SpolskyThere are very, very few acceptable uses of & in proper written English. Here are some of them: & is especially common when joining names to indicate a firm or a partnership, for example, a law firm: Baker & McKenzie Abercrombie & Fitch Crosby Stills Nash & Young In abb...

 
@Powerlord Don't fool yourself. You did try getting the golden wrench after all.
 
@badp Tried and was one second away from getting one.
But anyway, what badges are we talking about?
 
I know.
 
user30
Tournament badges
 
6:27 PM
Oh, those.
 
user30
So there's the ETF2L highlander one, and the USA equivalent, and um, the GWJ tourney?
 
"Winner of X", "Runner up of X", "Third place of X", "Took part in X"
 
I didn't bother competing in the tournament. I already have two badges, why do I need more?
 
user30
I didn't really take part in it for the badge
 
user30
I think half my team did though
 
6:29 PM
I knew nothing about this stuff, but again competitive TF2... meh
I actually didn't know you took part
 
user30
We didn't do very well
 
@badp The entire point of the thing was to get pubheroes into comp. It wasn't 6v6 it was highlander.
 
user30
pubheroes is perhaps an overstatement
 
I think I misuse the term pubhero a bit
 
highlander... I don't know. The idea is okay, but how is it better than just having a generic 9v9?
or just your normal 12v12?
I understand wrangling 24 people to have one free hour at the same time can be a problem.
 
user30
6:32 PM
The idea is better because you have an organised team, not necessarily the format
 
yeah, but organization comes with the cost of class choice.
What is an engineer going to do on the first point when on the offense?
 
user30
but it doesn't matter because you picked a class you enjoyed playing... right?
 
I'd just sit in spawn waiting for the other 8 to get far enough to set up teleports up
@CruelCow even gunslinger + frontier justice sounds like a waste of time there
 
user30
Engineer is probably the worst class to play for Highlander
 
nevermind most "competitive" TF2 takes on 5CP
and that's where engineers swear the most.
except for Arena, then it's a complete waste of time :P
 
user30
6:35 PM
Arena is awesome
 
user30
more people should play it
 
arena as engie?
 
I HATE arena
Id rather play than watch others play
especially when you have to "sit out" a round ugh
 
the worst part about that is, after you join a team but before you enter the actual game, you can't control the camera.
 
user30
oh lol, the badges got taken out the schema 3 hours ago
 
6:37 PM
@badp Offensineer of course!
 
user30
@badp no
 
user30
I always found Scout to be best on Arena
 
@ThomasMcDonald fat jokes are on
 
user30
Oh, I still need to acquire a strange Scattergun
 
@badp Nah, for example on granary. If your teammates leave the ammo packs you can easily throw down a teleporter, dispenser and then join the fight around mid with your minisentrys
 
user30
6:39 PM
I guess that's my next task, as my reading material is assembled
 
@CruelCow granary arena?
 
5cp
 
Arena as Engy is definitely Gunslinger time.
Hell, even koth_nucleus is almost always Gunslinger time, just to harass the other team while they're capping center point.
I really wish Valve would start going back and fixing the maps that are missing nobuild zones on top of buildings and stuff. koth_nucleus and pl_badwater are especially bad about this. pl_frontier_final can be pretty bad about it as well.
And frontier doesn't have an excuse, as it's post-Engineer update.
 
user30
tf2b is was slow today.
 
@Powerlord Do it yourself and send it in. I'm afraid this will be the only way it'll be done :(
 
6:48 PM
@CruelCow This would need to be fixed on 50+ maps.
Essentially, Valve introduced a new item that had unintended consequences, and they have yet to fix it.
 
user30
or they don't want to fix it
 
user30
because the unintended consequences aren't that bad
 
@ThomasMcDonald Until you run into someone who is really good at it.
Oh, and don't bother playing cp_gorge, as it's the most broken map due to it and can't be fixed without nerfing the BLU team after point 1 is captured.
 
Translations, Maps, Weapons, Items, LODs have to be done by the community
 
But yeah, koth_nucleus really breaks because of Engy sentry rocket jumping.
 
6:51 PM
I'm not happy about it either, but I think it'll be a long time before Valve fixes it themselves.
 
When 1 unreachable sentry gun can cover half of the center area, including the entire control point, that's a problem.
Seriously, the only way we even won one round is because myself and another Spy managed to keep them from ever keeping a teleporter up.
No teleporter = no pulling a sentry through to the upper area.
 
Yes, a million times yes to all of the above comments about nobuild. However, I really think the issue is sentry jumping.
 
@badp Yes. If Valve got rid of it, that would solve the problem right there.
I don't even think they considered that when making the Wrangler. "Control your own sentry gun!" is a well and good mechanic that added to the game.
"Getting injured by your own rockets" is an interesting way to kill an Engineer who is dumb.
The two together? Not so good, as rockets do knockback.
and thus was born sentry jumping, a mechanic I doubt Valve ever intended to be in the game, particularly after listening to the commentary nodes on cp_gravelpit.
At least I think it's cp_gravelpit's commentary nodes that talk about how Soldiers (and demomen?) can rocket (/sticky) jump to get up to upper areas, but those areas rarely have health, so there's a trade off.
 
7:09 PM
 
So, here we have the Engineer, who can now rocket jump, then place a dispenser to give himself and anyone else health.
@SimonSheehan Good thing Valve fixed that bug, eh?
 
@Powerlord Such a lovely bug though ;) Me and my friends had way too much fun with it. Spies were happy too!
 
It wasn't as amusing as the level 3 mini-sentry bug!
 
user30
level 3 mini-sentries are cute
 
Haha, that was good day too
 
7:11 PM
@ThomasMcDonald and always RED for whatever reason, even for the BLU team.
 
Valve likes RED for some reason :(
 
@SimonSheehan RED is canonically the first team in the map editor.
 
@Powerlord Indeed it is, as well as all the meet the team videos are RED.
 
Although, in game, it's actually team 2... 0 is unassigned, 1 is Spectator, 2 is RED, 3 is BLU.
 
But it still comes before BLU
 
7:13 PM
and 255 is Valve forgetting that they can't use -1 in an unsigned byte.
(which represents all players)
It's weird. If you look in events and things, some events have the team number sent as an unsigned byte, others as a short.
Short sends "all players" as -1, byte sends "all players" as 255.
 
Heh. I've never looked that in depth into it.
 
I only encountered this because I've been dealing with the TF2 vote system's UserMessages and events.
 
vote_cast event takes a short named team.
No wait, is that the right event. consults notes
Yes, that's right.
The VoteStart event sends the team as the first byte in its bitbuffer.
 
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RobDoes anybody know of a working Amiga emulator for Mac... and how to set it up? Also, are there any good sources for games for it? I'm getting nostalgic!!

 
7:16 PM
As do VotePass and VoteFailed.
vote_cast is the only reference to the team sent as a short... not sure why Valve decided to do it that way.
 
i see. It is Valve, what do you expect ;)
 
So, essentially, I have to store it as -1 and use bf->WriteByte(-1) and expect it to properly turn it into 255.
I need to test that when I finish writing this extension.
(This extension is to abstract away the gory details of the voting system)
 
So, just seen a (new?) windows 7 commercial. Microsoft breaks into your house and forces you to buy a new PC with windows 7 installed on it.
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Essentially, a plugin programmer will be passing the team to me.
@Wipqozn lol
I'm thinking about either buying a new PC or building a new one.
Building is cheaper, but takes my time.
 
Reminds me of this picture...
 
7:20 PM
Building one is more enjoyable as well.
 
lol, I just overheard one of my coworkers say what sounded like "...before I get some amoebas in my eye."
@Wipqozn True, but the entire computer has a warranty if I buy it outright.
 
Just looking at the Humble Indie Bundle 3. Is it my imagination or do VVVVVV and And Yet It Moves use basically the same gameplay mechanic?
 
Now, I'm not talking about one of those off the shelf places... or Dell crap...
 
A lot of companies also offer life warranties for individual parts though.
@Powerlord oh, well that's different. Since that's what I thought you meant :P
 
@Powerlord im on a dell :(
 
7:22 PM
@SimonSheehan I'm so sorry.
 
@Wipqozn Yes, my loss is great :(
 
@SimonSheehan Trying... not... to link... to the Schadenfreude song...
 
@MichaelMyers Kinda, but I'm sure they play very differently.
 
I've played And Yet It Moves, but not VVVVVV, so I can't answer that.
Oddly, I own both.
eyes his games backlog
 
I'm too cheap to buy another game before I'm finished with the current one. Which meant I was stuck on the same one for six years.
 
7:29 PM
@MichaelMyers I might have a game in my backlog for every month of those 6 years.
 
@GraceNote I have PS2 games I've owned for 7 years and still haven't played yet :|
 
@FallenAngelEyes Let's not talk about PS2 games and how long I've owned them in comparison to how much I've played them...
 
eyes Final Fantasy XII
 
@Powerlord Guilty of that one too
 
I suppose I should unwrap that one of these days.
 
7:33 PM
I might be kinda sitting near the end of that game, having not fought the last boss yet.
 
I also have the terrible habit of playing a game intensely for like a week then dropping it for a couple years
Sometimes it's because I get to a difficult part, sometimes it's because something else new and shiny has grabbed my attention, but yeah, I go back to saves that are sometimes 3-5 years old
 
Finishing upload...
 
user30
eh
 
user30
Debating whether to buy some from him, based off the fact they were probably bought with stolen cards.
 
7:36 PM
Hi Chat!
 
@ThomasMcDonald That's... 633 keys... at $2.50 a piece.... or $1,582.50 USD
 
user30
I doubt he purchased them from the store
 
user30
Well, if he did it's definitely not his money as he's selling them at $2.05
 
user30
Which is just below market price now
 
user30
Anyway, he's selling 300 of them
 
7:39 PM
I proudly present you
"Somebody Has Built A Sentry Gun on The Internet!"
 
user30
@badp ಠ_ಠ
 
user30
what settings do you run TF2 at?!
 
lowest possible
maxfps config etc.
the only improvement to that config is I re-enabled the glow of the briefcase/cart
 
user30
Wait what, what does that even show?
 
user30
oh
 
user30
7:42 PM
I geddit
 
@ThomasMcDonald Didn't you JUST ask a question on Gaming about glows, albeit related to replays?
 
user30
@Powerlord I did indeed
 
user30
but I was referring to the content of the video, not the glows.
 
Don't make me read parts of the US Tax code to you.
 
user30
If you'd kindly refrain from jumping down my throat.
 
7:45 PM
now, do the right thing and post it on r/tf2replays with its whopping 500 readers, or do the greedy thing and post it on r/tf2 with its much larger potential for viewers?
or just realize it isn't such a great video and let it rest.
 
user30
I think probably the latter, considering it took me a few minutes to understand what you were on about
 
user30
The Daily Mash & NewsThump never fail to amuse me
 
user30
> Altruism alert raised to ‘Severe’ as Londoner acknowledges fellow man
 
user30
> We’d much rather bankrupt the world than pay any tax, argue US Republicans
2
 
I'd like to say I'm all for lower taxes, but as a realist, if we cut taxes repeatedly, we make it so our government has to borrow more money.
As it is, if the government of China ever chose to call in its debts from the US Government, the US would be in a pretty serious economic crisis.
 
7:56 PM
I could also mention that video shows how I got the Building Block achievement, but that'd be uneducative
 
@Powerlord Yes, but that would also be fairly disastrous for China...
 
@sjohnston Yes, but as a communist government, they'd split it equally between all their people. Everyone would get 0% of it, while the Chinese government would keep the other 100%.
 
user30
China's economy is held up on very thin stilts as it is
 
user30
from what I understand it's only still going because of the control the gvmnt. have over it
 
@Powerlord "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" is only vaguely communist these days
 
user30
8:00 PM
also, that guy's keys were legitimately acquired
 
It would certainly be interesting, and not in a good way for anyone
 
user30
> traded him 160 keys for a sunbems merry
 
@ThomasMcDonald and the other 470ish?
 
user30
buds and bills
 
I lolled:
> However, by the time the poster has read your post, no doubt Firefox 6 will already be out. Oh whoops, I meant to say 7. Or maybe 8. Possibly 9.
 
8:04 PM
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@Lazers I recommend Closing. It's the best game around.
> Entomologically speaking, the spider is not a bug, it's a feature.
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ha
 
So, I've gotten nothing done on my TF2 extension today
Sad day. :/
I should work on it tonight rather than playing TF2.
 
Speaking of features...my program installer seems to lock up if Chrome is running.
 
Eventually, I need to write that vote sniffer for L4D and L4D2 and test them.
 
8:19 PM
Once more, the irony is very apparent.
 
Great, AlliedModders wiki doesn't have the about template.
 
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@Lazers @FallenAngelEyes From my experience, gamepads are totally ignored by power management.
I find it really annoying when my screen saver kicks in when I'm playing a game in windowed mode using my PS2 gamepad (connected via an adapter)
 
I died by reading a dull spellbook.
RIP Arda
Died of boredom.
 
Nethackin' it up again?
 
8:30 PM
@ArdaXi That's what you get for touchin' that!
I was going to say "for reading" but then I pictured the Engineer (or was it Demoman) saying that line.
 
@Powerlord Aghk, really? No solutions at all?
 
@FallenAngelEyes Not that I've encountered.
But alas, earwax... er... I mean homing go time.
 
@GraceNote Yep. The only game this machine paperweight will play.
 
8:42 PM
@ArdaXi I must say the, "you have no heart, are you human?" captcha is brilliant.
 
8:54 PM
Okay, I can only find one way down and it leads into the Gnomish Mines. I've zapped a wand of secret door detection in every room. What do I do now?
 
Screenshot?
 
user30
ask a question!
 
@ThomasMcDonald This.
 
(Alternatively, dig downwards)
 
@GraceNote I am insufficiently equipped for such behaviour.
 
8:55 PM
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@ArdaXi There are mines!
 
@GraceNote Touché. I wanted to avoid them because I die in there every single time.
 
This is NetHack. I refuse to believe there is not some means by which you can just dig a hole in the ground with your bare hands. (Polymorph possibly required.)
 
(Also, this probably is a non-question, but you have ensured that none of the junk piles is covering the stairs?)
@LessPop_MoreFizz In being Nethack, you'd probably suffer an obscure and painful death related to trying to dig with your hands rather than proper tools.
(You can't even carve on the ground with bare hands, nevermind dig up stuff)
 
@GraceNote Well that part goes without saying.
 
Rock moles, woodchucks and umber hulks can.
 
8:59 PM
Experience tells me that the the stairs down are probably in the bottom right.
Either that closet isn't actually a closet, or a hidden door on that lower room right next to the other one. Of course, you mentioned that you already used a wand of secret door detection.
I'd just do one level of the mines to secure yourself a pick axe, then dig down.
 
Hm, I think there's a leprechaun hall on this level. So many little teleporting thieves.
Well, last time I survived the mines, but then got killed by a watchmen for mis-aiming a force bolt.
 
Should... probably just not use force bolts in Mine Town
 
Woah.
The dwarf drinks a purple-red potion.
Suddenly you cannot see the dwarf.
For some reason, the invisible dwarf's presence is known to you.
You feel aggravated at the invisible dwarf.
Press a key when done viewing
 
You know what that all means?
 
I don't.
Well, I know what suddenly not seeing the dorf means.
It means he drank a potion of invisibility.
 
9:06 PM
Question, then? ♪
 
What I don't get is when did I become psychic.
 
Or instead of stealing so little rep, I'll just link the wiki article.
 
Ah, it's cursed.
 
Nothing to see here...
 
@GraceNote You say this as if it's easy.
 
9:16 PM
@ArdaXi It sometimes is
 
@GraceNote At any rate, there's no pickaxe here. I'll just do the mines all the way.
 
I mean, what are the chances that Team Ant will come and haul off with your corpse? ♪
@ArdaXi Well, I'd just stop at Minetown. Going all the way to Mine's End seems unwise.
And, wow, no digging dwarves? That's really rare
 
There's more?
@GraceNote Not on the first level at any rate.
 
@ArdaXi More death, yes.
 
Oh look at that. One of them just dropped a pick.
 
9:19 PM
Now you can dig a hole back in the Dungeons and find the upstairs to find the downstairs.
 
It was under the bottom-most chest -.-
 
On the plus side - you now have a pick
 
And an amulet of restful sleep.
And then I met the soldier ant. Fin.
 
9:49 PM
So, I finally got Medic 3
and TF2 was like
 
Well, here we are again.
 
 
@badp lol, what?
 
Indeed
 
@badp I'm showing an untradeable Ubersaw in your third inv slot.
 
9:59 PM
@Powerlord This happened on 'View Next' however
 
Wait, I can no longer see the edit history thanks to the new in-line editor on SE?
 
@Powerlord uh?
 
@badp I see a question posted 4 hours ago, edited one hour ago. Before I tell Juan that his answer doesn't match the question, I want to see what edits the question had... but I can't see the Edit History any more.
 
@Powerlord Just click the edited one hour ago link?
 
 
10:01 PM
@ArdaXi Was this documented anywhere, seeing as how that didn't used to be a link?
 
It's always been that way
always
also the old editing interface = middle click 'edit'
 
@Powerlord Yeah, that's how I've always accessed the edit history.
 
user30
10:20 PM
Have a good week y'all
 
10:56 PM
well that was certainly a boost to my ego
oh dang I should have uploaded a replay
valve servers all crashed. so it was 2v1. I won. felt pretty awesome.
Also then we had a 1v1, and after the match it auto scrambled the teams..and kept us on the same teams o.O
so I fail to understand the point of the scramble
 
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