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12:07 AM
Just woke up from a really long nap and saw the election results. You guys are getting bombarded with messages no doubt, but congratulations @Loong and @orthocresol. We couldn't have picked more qualified users.
Cheers to you two, and cheers to Chem.SE!
 
Actually, not really bombarded.
suspends ringo
Time for me to take my really long nap.
 
Congratulations @orthocresol
Shoot
 
12:55 AM
Hi Ringo
 
 
2 hours later…
2:40 AM
Congratulations @orthocresol & @Loong
 
user228700
3:04 AM
Oh! @orthocresol@Loong: Congratulations! :-D
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user228700
I've a quick question. My textbook is trying to describe the effects of greater electronegativity of terminal atoms on bond angles.
 
user228700
Firstly, I'm unable to relate this to Bent's rule. Secondly, my textbook says that as the electronegativity of the terminal atoms increases, the bond angle decreases. The way I see it, the electrons that once used to be more evenly distributed throughout the bond are now mostly near the terminal atom and so, a smaller bond angle doesn't cause as much repulsion b/w bps as before
 
user228700
But this is not the reasoning that my book has given. My book says "bp-bp repulsion will be less (which is the same as my argument) "but the lp compression will work as usual."
 
user228700
What do they mean by "lp compression"?
 
user228700
OK, so with regard to me not being able to relate this to Bent's rule, well, apparently, having more p character in an orbital reduces the bond angle.
 
user228700
3:17 AM
I don't why this is true or anything, but this is what I have gathered from my readings...
 
4:08 AM
Welcome to the team @orthocresol and @Loong! I'm looking forward to slacking off now :D
@hBy2Py I'm not subscribed to CCL (don't need more drama than I already have) and I have no idea what DFTpoll means... fill me in, will you?
@user223679 That is really not a modding issue, more of a real life one. The more time I spend on this site the more picky I have become with the questions I want to answer and I can answer. Given the fact that I usually spend around two hours for every answer, I am quite happy with the turnout. Also, I don't need the rep ;)
 
 
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6:48 AM
There is no way to find out who downvoted your post. Please refrain from using such rude language - it does not foster discussion and if anything only serves to turn people away. If you try doing this in real life, you won't get very far. Standards on SE are not any lower. — orthocresol ♦ 9 hours ago
Yuck. I want the real ortho back.
 
how is he not real?
 
7:12 AM
Too polite ;D
 
@orthocresol lol... figured out all the new buttons yet?
 
Not quite. I've mostly been asleep... Will tinker around today...
 
hihi.... GET TO WORK, FRESHMAN!
 
7:53 AM
takes vacation
 
user116211
Did I forget @todd to mention that Lanczos uses many theorems of differential geometry in his book without naming them?
 
user116211
But yeh, he explicitly discusses the stuff before using it.
 
8:19 AM
@Ortho @Loong if you leave chat like @Mart did after getting elected, I'm not going to forgive you.
And if I don't forgive you, you wouldn't be able to have nice things.
 
ಠ_ಠ
 
I did not leave chat.
 
I'm the one who's supposed to be ಠ_ಠ'ing.
@Martin-マーチン Yes you did.
 
I'm still here on occasion and usually very pingable
 
8:21 AM
You were a chat reg before becoming a mod.
 
let's agree to disagree
 
So you mean you weren't a chat reg before becoming a mod?
 
8:48 AM
Congratulations, @Rubisco and @pentavalentcarbon !
 
Huh
Thanks
 
user116211
To @ph13!
 
user116211
You people will always be remembered.
 
No they won't.
 
user116211
._.
 
8:53 AM
Heh, you're making this too dramatic.
 
user116211
:(
 
Big deal, it was just an online election.
 
user116211
:)
 
It's not like we went to a war or something.
 
user116211
:))
 
8:54 AM
Now I should prolly get to writing some meta posts.
. . . maybe later.
I feel like slacking off.
That's more than I can say for Ortho.
His soul is now entangled.
He can't insult homework vampires now.
He can't make badass comments on chat.
He can't lick ice cream in public.
 
user116211
With new powers come new limitations ;/
 
I feel so free.
Let's go spam some site.
Advertise a brain loss or weight enhancement cream.
The only downside is that I still can't edit messages from infinite minutes ago.
 
@Rubisco maybe
 
@Martin-マーチン Shall I prove ye wrong
 
9:00 AM
Good times good times.
 
Jun 11 '15 at 17:43, by LordStryker
ಠ_ಠ
It's so long ago....
 
user116211
Rare message; should be put in auction.
 
oh nooooooooooooo.... all my porkchat shortcuts are gone :'(
 
@Martin-マーチン MWAHAHAHAHAHA I don't know why I'm laughing. Your system should.
BTW @Mart could you change my name to MAR?
I wanna make Jan happy.
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Q: Drawing colors and color reactance

Jack MaddingtonIn a factory, I would assume substances react to get different dies. But for purple that draw or paint at hone, are all the colors inert (in that mixing then causes the color components to mix as a mixture, rather than react to produce a different chemical with a different color, which I think wo...

I don't understand this question.
 
@Rubisco if my system starts laughing, i'll shut it down
@Rubisco I don't understand... why should I do that? Why don't do it yourself?
 
9:12 AM
@Martin-マーチン 'cause I can't. It's not a month yet.
 
Uhhhhhhhh.... I did not know about that limitation O.o
But I'm not going to do it, because
ಠ_ಠ
 
NOOOOOOOO PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE I BEG YOU
Oh man, this is awkward.
 
Well, you need to decide, if you want to make @Jan happy, or me.
 
Well, which of you two likes ice cream more?
 
user116211
Are you being manipulated @Rubisco? Think ;P
 
9:18 AM
@Jan lives in Bavaria, I'm not sure they know what ice cream is there.
 
@MAFIA36790 sounds as if we are dead now oô
 
@pH13-YetanotherPhilipp IKR
 
user116211
NOO :(
 
@pH13-YetanotherPhilipp o/
 
9:19 AM
Wait, you were never alive in the first place Philipp
You're just a bunch of functions.
Does this seem to sudden?
We meant to tell you.
 
very lively functions
 
@MAFIA36790 "If you want people to show their true face, let them think they can fool you."
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-- Someone
 
@Rubisco who?
 
@Mart are you gonna do it already or what? I just changed my avatar and that Rubisco name stands there like a plague.
@Martin-マーチン Someone.
 
@Rubisco WHO?
 
9:22 AM
@Mart another argument for changing the name is that 'Rubisco' uses wrong capitalization. Do you want that?
@Martin-マーチン World Health Organization?
 
@Rubisco Who?
 
I never watched Doctor Who.
 
@rubi I cannot sign off on the name change. ping ping ping
 
Huh?
What do you mean?
 
user228700
Hi everyone :-)
 
9:25 AM
Heyo
 
@Martin-マーチン Why not? Ping Ping
 
user228700
Quick question. For molecules like:
 
Well @rubi, think about it
 
@Martin-マーチン Yeah yeah, I will keep a consistent name.
And I will brush my aminoacids at least once a day.
 
9:26 AM
@rubi that really is not my concern
 
What is?
 
It would have been in case you were elected...
 
user228700
 
@Martin-マーチン Well, I'm not elected. Big deal.
Technicalities.
 
user228700
In which direction does the net dipole point point to?
 
user228700
9:28 AM
'Cause, OK, the bond b/w the C in the middle and the C in $CH_3$ is non-polar.
 
Well, which is the more electronegative thingy there?
@Kaumudi Methyl is electron-donating.
 
user228700
And C is more electronegative than H.
 
Very slightly
 
user228700
@Rubisco Yes, right, but...how does that matter?
 
It does matter.
 
user228700
9:29 AM
The bond is still non-polar, right?
 
Cl wants electrons, and methyl is pouring electron on the carbon.
 
Think long and hard about the consequences of that change
 
@Kaumudi Think of the molecule as a whole, not atoms.
 
user228700
OK..? Can u pls help me to?
 
Alright, I'm gonna do some errands thing. @Mart I better see my name changed when I get back or I'll . . . I'll . . . I'll procrastinate the meta posts I'm gonna post even further. BBL
 
9:31 AM
@Kaumudi ask yourself, which is the most electronegative element
 
user228700
The Cl atom (in this molecule)
 
@Rubisco I offer you the following name: teh-evil-modz-wont-change-me-to-MAR
 
Jan
I was mentioned? @Mart
 
user116211
Hi @jan.
 
user116211
@Jan Yes.
 
9:35 AM
You were. It's nice to know that pings work in Bavaria, too.
 
user116211
@Jan Do you like Ice Cream?
 
Jan
@Martin-マーチン Of course we do, we’re close to Italy ;p But I never knew ice cream made it across the border to the East …
 
@Kaumudi the bond doesn't care what label you assign it as
 
user228700
OK..? Ur point being..?
 
@Kaumudi okay, so there is where you would expect the highest negative charge
 
9:36 AM
@Kaumudi so even if you don't assign it as polar, it still pulls some electron density towards the C
making it electron-donating
 
user228700
@Martin-マーチン OK..? So it would be pointed in that direction? Hey, but this doesn't strike me as a particularly good way to decide the direction-if there are two of these Cl atoms pointing in the opposite direction, the dipole moment would just be zero.
 
@Kaumudi so draw small labels
methyl group gives electron
chlorine takes electron
so the effect is reinforced
 
user228700
Okay...
 
user228700
Thanks. Do u know why the methyl group is electron donating BTW?
 
because C is more electronegative than H
 
user228700
9:40 AM
11 mins ago, by Rubisco
Very slightly
 
When thinking dipole moment you shouldn't think about electron donating... @Kaumudi
 
11 mins ago, by Rubisco
It does matter.
 
user228700
@Martin-マーチン OK..? What should I be thinking about, then?
 
@Kaumudi three small arrows add up to a big arrow
 
a methyl group has three protons which are all partially positively charged
 
user228700
9:42 AM
OK...
 
and the dipole is the vector that indicates charge separation
 
user228700
Yeah, OK...
 
for simple molecules you just find the biggest positive and biggest negative points
 
@Martin-マーチン Could I ask you a question?
Why does that formula of electronegativity works?
 
or you try to map out the bond dipole moments
@rubi something is wrong with 1,3-feeds
@DHMO For what I don't follow
 
user228700
9:45 AM
Alright, but I'm still not very clear about whether or not I need to look into electron donating/accepting groups when deciding the direction of of the dipole moment...should I?
 
@Martin-マーチン ?
 
@DHMO let me finish one conversation and then i'm free for another
please :D
 
Alright
 
user228700
:-)
 
You should consider the difference in electronegativities for each bond, then you know the direction of the bond dipole
 
9:48 AM
@Martin-マーチン Yeah, it's called laziness
 
user228700
I guess what I'm essentially asking, is if the C-C bonds in molecules are polar or not, depending on the number of hydrogen atoms attached to the carbon atoms...
 
in the end you need to add up all vectors to see the total dipole moment
 
@Martin-マーチン Seriously though, change my name to 'MAR' already. Maybe I should've asked another mod
Oh, look, @Ortho's impostor is here.
Dear Ortho's impostor the mod
This Martin dude is playful today.
Please change name.
Kthxbye
 
@Rubisco Seriously and without further ado: I am not going to change it. In fact, if you want me to ever come into chat again, you should really consider changing your name to MAR. Because if you do, I am out.
 
@Martin-マーチン What? You don't make sense.
So should I change, or should I not?
 
Jan
9:51 AM
@Martin-マーチン Really? Why?
 
user228700
..?
 
@Kaumudi yes they are, because hydrogens are partially positive
 
user228700
This is all I've been asking. Thanks! :-)
 
I'm starting to think Mart actually likes incorrect capitalization.
Inexcusable for a mod.
 
@rubi, @Jan Consider what happens to me when somebody pings a user with the name MAR
 
9:53 AM
Let's overthrow Mart.
 
user228700
mArT.
 
@Martin-マーチン Oh, right. Then bring the Japanese fluff to the beginning of your name.
 
Jan
@Martin-マーチン Whoops, I didn’t even think of that xD
 
Or should I change my name to 'DefinitelyNotMartin'?
 
Jan
@Martin-マーチン Time to rename yourself Maachin, as your katakana call you already ;p
 
9:55 AM
Or that.
 
Nope, I decided to not change my name after being elected as a mod
 
Wait, I found the best solution. @Mart change my name to "M.A.R."
 
I would like to have a bit of continuity, especially with the newlymods around
@Rubisco there we go... something we can sign of on
 
I forgot how twisted your English is.
Anyway do it already. My new invisible avatar is NOT RuBisCO.
I might or might not change avatars in the future though.
 
user228700
@Rubisco Invisible?
 
9:59 AM
@Kaumudi Yeah, it's one of those very white avatars.
 
@Rubisco what is the molecule in your icon?
 
@Martin-マーチン Hugs and kisses
@DHMO Beta-cyclodextrin
 
user228700
Hang on, u used to be named DEAD, at one point? @Rubisco
 
user228700
What the hell, man?
 
10:00 AM
@Kaumudi Yes.
@Kaumudi ಠ_ಠ You sounds like a chemicalist. DEAD stands for diethyl azodicarboxylate.
 
@Kaumudi He changes his name more often than he gets a haircut ;)
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user228700
A chemicalist?
 
user228700
Ah, I see...
 
@M.A.R. What does your name stand for?
 
:33005602 thx
 
10:03 AM
@Martin-マーチン So could you answer my question now?
 
user228700
@Martin-マーチン: Do u know about "Who the eff is Hank?" ?
 
I need to speak with my supervisor, sorry, but i'll be back in 10
 
@DHMO My initials
@Martin-マーチン i.imgur.com/JWumYHu.gif .
 
@Martin-マーチン 10 weeks
 
@pH13-YetanotherPhilipp 10 years
 
10:12 AM
@Rubisco Your last name change was almost a month ago, you can do it yourself in a few days.
 
@orthocresol But I changed my avatar today, not in a few days. And Mart did it anyway.
 
o.o
Why is it still Rubisco in chat then
Your parent account is chem..
Hey wait, I just spotted this fancy "suspend" button on this user page.
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I wonder what it does...
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Q: I have a doubt about "doubt" in doubt titles

Martin - マーチンFrom the depth of the stack exchange network I bring to you the newest season (7) of our community effort against buzzwords in question titles. The word of the season this time is doubt. In Indian English the word doubt is used as a synonym for question (see ELU), which makes it as terrible as q...

 
@Rubisco parsecs
 
@Martin-マーチン this is a length unit, no?
 
10:18 AM
@orthocresol hahahahaha
yes ;)
I just wanted to add to the confusion
 
how do you indicate superscript in plain text, in the context of polycyclic compounds?
 
<sup>...</sup>
 
@orthocresol I have seen 0<3,8>
 
@1,3-feeds took you long enough this time
okay... what's your question?
^^@DHMO
 
@Martin-マーチン why does the formula for electronegativity work?
 
10:31 AM
oh dear... that's a tough one
i don't know nearly enough about that...
 
not tougher than what i'm trying to do
which you'll know in a moment
 
actually... I don't really know O.o
 
@DHMO Fight Medusa?
 
10:46 AM
@M.A.R. no, writing out your systematic name
i hope it won't exceed the message limit
 
Oh well. Sucks to be you
 
(1S,3S,4R,5R,6S,8S,9R,10R,11S,13S,14R,15R,16S,18S,19R,20R,21S,23S,24R,25R,26S,28‌​S,29R,3R,31S,33S,34R,35R,37R,39R,41R,43R,45R,47R,49R)-37,39,41,43,45,47,49-hepta(‌​hydroxymethyl)-2,7,12,17,22,27,32,36,38,40,42,44,46,48-tetradecaoxaoctacyclo[$31.‌​2.2.0^{3,6}.0^{8,11}.0^{13,16}.0^{18,21}.0^{23,26}.0^{28,31}$]nonatetracontane-4,‌​5,9,10,14,15,19,20,24,25,29,30,34,35-tetradecol
@M.A.R. Hope it doesn't contain any mistake
@M.A.R. it doesn't suck when i enjoy it
 
@Loong Hope it doesn't contain any mistake.
 
@Loong (above)
 
BTW @NewMods or @Mart, you should unfeature the questionnaire.
 
10:53 AM
I think it's fine having it featured a couple of more days :D
like when I return from my conference...
 
@Martin-マーチン . . .
Why?
 
what does H mean here?
> (5*R*)-[(1*S*)-1,2-Dihydroxyethyl]-3,4-dihydroxyfuran-2(5H)-one
 
so people can read all the awesome answers some more
 
@orthocresol any idea?
 
Mine aren't awesome.
Deliberately unawesome.
@DHMO I remember it in Aldol stuff. Lemme look.
 
10:55 AM
well, well... they not gonna go anywhere
 
@M.A.R. thanks
 
Jan
11:06 AM
@DHMO That name's missing a bit, but usually for dihydrofuran, you need to specify where the hydrogens have been added.
 
@Jan but it's dihydroxyfuran not dihydrofuran
 
Oh heh.
Sorry DHMO, I got distracted.
It says that indicates where extra hydrogens are added.
 
@Jan @M.A.R. I see, thanks
 
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Q: Organic chemistry naming - ascorbic acid - weird numberings

JohannesBThis might be a beginner's question, but hey I have to start somewhere. If I look up the IUPAC name of ascorbic acid, I find this: (5R)-[(1S)-1,2-Dihydroxyethyl]-3,4-dihydroxyfuran-2(5H)-one I am used to numbering of molecules in a way like the 3,4-dihydroxyfuran part in this molecule name. But...

 
thanks
 
11:21 AM
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Q: I NEED A HELP ON THESE QUESTIONS

Robert KundiExercise1 The index price for the NLG-100 stock market index is calculated by summing the market caps of the 100 companies on this index and taking the mean value. The market cap of each company on the index is calculated by multiplying its number of shares in issue by its share price. In a maxi...

Hey @Ashish. What brings you here? Welcome to our humble chat.
 
hey. I was just lurking around
 
!!greet/@Ashish
 
Welcome to The Periodic Table @Ashish! Here are our chat guidelines and it's recommended that you read them. If you want to turn Mathjax on, follow the instructions in this answer. Happy chatting!
 
o/
@M.A.R. Everybody knows it speld HALP...
 
\o. Which lang is that bot written in?
 
11:24 AM
@AshishAhujaツ Python, I think.
 
It must have a Github page or something.
 
I didn't find it on the profile of the bot though.
 
@orthocresol That dude has a problem with names.
 
Jan
11:28 AM
Ashish Ahujatsu ô.o
Or is tsu just a smiley for you?
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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@Jan He's an Indo-Japanese person
 
just a smiley ツ
 
@orthocresol Three edits before you get that right. I don't think you will be able to handle it when you wreck havoc
2
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
11:32 AM
See? Learn from the best.
Chat is so starry these days. I like it.
 
⌨ █▬▬◟(`ﮧ´ ◟ )
 
got to go... I have to go buy food :D
see y'all
 
11:37 AM
@orthocresol NOICE
I always hated that jerk.
 
:)
Well, I've to go off as well, see you guys later.
 
Popping back in to say this.
Please do not link lmgtfy in comments. Hiding it behind a shortened url only makes it more morally reprehensible, if anything.
 
@orthocresol noted
 
I wasn't going to name names, but if you want to come forward, then so be it.
Consider this a warning.
 
11:47 AM
@orthocresol Considered.
 
@orthocresol Hey, why the unpin?
'twas fun.
 
@M.A.R. Glad you liked it.
We can do it again if you'd like. This time, it will be a one-year suspension..
 
Jan
@M.A.R. Don't worry, we starred it for eternity ;)
 
@Jan Is this question good for main site? chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/61259/…
 
12:03 PM
I should really get 10k.
 
Someone go ask a question on how to count resonance structures
 
now i have this rubbish question tied to my account forever... :D
 
Yay
 
so many fancy buttons...
 
Jan
12:08 PM
xD I like how you like the fancy buttons.
 
@orthocresol you know... you could have tried that on meta... the sandbox for example :D It's not just a playground for the normal users, i.e. meta.chemistry.stackexchange.com/posts/111/timeline
 
@Martin-マーチン oops, entirely forgot about the existence of meta ;D nah, I was playing with the move comments to chat, etc...
 
i've seen the timeline ;) Hi hi hi hi hi hi hi.
 
So, @Mart @Ortho what should be my next meta post?
 
Jan
> Y U no vote me mod?
 
12:14 PM
-1 not enough ASCII art
/(ò.ó)┛彡┻━┻
 
dunno.... what flavours are you offering?
 
A meta post like your dainty bounce but about writing canonical questions
A meta post about homework and closure
A meta post about amirite questions
 
Jan
12:36 PM
@Martin-マーチン Fun fact: I just wrote a post about daisy chains.
 
@Martin-マーチン woah.. so even if you troll over there nothing happens?
 
@Jan wut? Link or nothing happened
@AshishAhujaツ nope. Even on meta there are people who watch over things. Trolling will be caught eventually. But meta is less frequented, so as a newlymod you can try stuff there without disturbing the 'peace and quiet' of the main site
@M.A.R. I'd probably start with that one, although, that gets into the hw business pretty soon... so maybe start with hw then...
but that's kinda old already...
maybe start with the canonical thing....
 
@Martin-マーチン yeah I know you can't troll on meta either, but I mean would trolling in the Sandbox be nuked?
 
it might take some time, but i'm confident it will be
 
Jan
1:01 PM
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A: For isomers, what does the term "connectivity" mean?

JanConnectivity describes how the atoms are connected to each other. Consider a daisy chain (image courtesy of Wikipedia). All the daisies are similar enough much like carbon atoms are similar enough between them; we cannot distinguish. Counting ten daisies in that chain, I could also represent i...

 
=^.^=
 
Jan
*pats the cat in the @wild*
 
So, congrats to @Loong and @ortho for being elected!
And my sympathy for you, @M.A.R.
Oh, wait. Is it @M.A.R. again?! :O
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Q: Origin of "ortho", "meta", "para"

DHMODefinition The ortho position refers to the two adjacent positions on a benzene ring. The meta position refers to the positions separated by one carbon atom on a benzene ring. The para position refers to the opposite position (separated by two carbon atoms) on a benzene ring. Background The ...

Mmmm... The question about @ortho's origin! :D
 
@Wildcat ...
 
1:31 PM
@Martin-マーチン DFT poll site is here: marcelswart.eu/dft-poll/index.html
Marcel Swart & co. have run it every year for a while now. Informal survey of actual usage patterns of functionals in the comp chem community.
@orthocresol I'm glad to see neither of the two new mods is at all abusing his new powers. Warms the heart.
@Wildcat Oh man, are YOU behind the times!
 

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