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4:00 PM
O.o
What about H+ and OH- ?
 
@AaronAbraham ionization
 
You assume those forms too, no?
Ah....
 
 
Are you sure it isn't the reverse?
 
@AaronAbraham look at the table above?
 
4:02 PM
My teacher normally stresses that covalent molecules are the ones that dissociate...and ionic ones ionize....
 
@AaronAbraham what.....
 
yep....
Wait......
What the heck do you mean by "question from me since almost a month ago" ? Didn't you post that today ?
 
@AaronAbraham another question from me
I haven't posted a question since a month ago
 
@dhmo what about acid dissociation ?
I've never seen "acid" ionization
"acid ionization" *
 
@9-BBN this is interesting
 
4:09 PM
Wiki is not the best reference en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociation_(chemistry)
 
@9-BBN I have this page opened lol
 
^^
But I understand what you mean
 
@9-BBN I don't
 
You don't understand what you mean
OK
LOL
Also the fact is that no one molecule is 100% ionic or covalent
 
@9-BBN this is true
 
4:16 PM
Then we can make bad exercise for bad student during exams to use Fajan's rule
 
Is ammonium ion stabilized by resonance?
!!img/NH4+
 
thank you captain obvious
 
lol
Does NH4OH really exists ? Put it during an exam as a bitch teacher :P
 
@9-BBN are you a teacher?
 
4:20 PM
No and I think nobody will like me :p
 
@9-BBN does H(H2O)n^+ exist where n=20?
 
Sure
 
@9-BBN Is ammonium ion stabilized by resonance?
 
It was a serious one
 
> Some hydration structures are quite large: the H3O+(H2O)20 magic ion number structure (called magic because of its increased stability with respect to hydration structures involving a comparable number of water molecules – this is a similar usage of the word magic as in nuclear physics) might place the hydronium inside a dodecahedral cage.
so n should be 21 instead
my memory is bad
In chemistry, hydronium is the common name for the aqueous cation H 3O+, the type of oxonium ion produced by protonation of water. It is the positive ion present when an Arrhenius acid is dissolved in water, as Arrhenius acid molecules in solution give up a proton (a positive hydrogen ion, H+) to the surrounding water molecules (H2O). == Determination of pH == It is the presence of hydronium ion relative to hydroxide that determines a solution's pH. The molecules in pure water auto-dissociate into hydronium and hydroxide ions in the following equilibrium: 2 H 2O ⇌ OH− + H 3O+ In pure water, there...
@9-BBN ??
 
4:27 PM
How do you want to draw a resonance structure ?
 
@9-BBN switching the dative bonds
 
show me
 
@9-BBN wait a minute
@9-BBN And of course I missed the form where the positive charge is on the nitrogen
 
You need to draw the arrows to show the electrons movement
 
@9-BBN that would be very... tedious
I would only show three forms
 
4:32 PM
If you want to make resonance you must
 
@9-BBN just let me show two forms
@9-BBN not sure if this is correct
 
I've never think to do that. I'm not sure it is correct
done*
do
oops
 
ok
 
Molecules and ions with resonance (also called mesomerism) have the following basic characteristics:


Contributing structures of the carbonate ion
They can be represented by several correct Lewis formulas, called "contributing structures", "resonance structures" or "canonical forms". The real structure is an intermediate of these structures represented by a resonance hybrid.
The contributing structures are not isomers. They differ only in the position of electrons, not in the position of nuclei.
In chemistry, resonance or mesomerism is a way of describing delocalized electrons within certain molecules or polyatomic ions where the bonding cannot be expressed by one single Lewis structure. A molecule or ion with such delocalized electrons is represented by several contributing structures (also called resonance structures or canonical structures). Each contributing structure can be represented by a Lewis structure, with only an integer number of covalent bonds between each pair of atoms within the structure. Several Lewis structures are used collectively to describe the actual molecul...
 
@orthocresol I drank 3 pots last night in 2 hours while I was writing my nonexistent questionnaire, does that count?
 
4:39 PM
So you're wrong
 
@9-BBN I see, thanks
 
@Rubisco at least I'll be able to say I tried. I have to edit my nomination blurb too, it sucks right now.
 
But you can developpe a new theory as well if it agrees with experiment it will be correct
 
@9-BBN sure
 
$\ce{H_3 O^+}(H_2 O)_20$ lol
 
4:41 PM
@9-BBN what's the problem
 
that's just amazing
There is no pb
nor Pb
 
@9-BBN pb?
 
problem
 
...
alright, i appreciate the pun
 
:D
I need to do a document with all exotic things I find about chemistry
 
4:45 PM
@9-BBN your document will be endless
 
Sure
But I want good ones
 
0
A: Defining Lewis acids & bases

DHMOFrom Wikipedia: Lewis acid is a chemical species that reacts with a Lewis base to form a Lewis adduct. A Lewis base, then, is any species that donates a pair of electrons to a Lewis acid to form a Lewis adduct. For example, in the reaction $\ce{H3B + NH3 -> H3B-NH3}$, the $\ce{N}$ donated a...

no love for my answer
 
Well wikipedia is not a "good" reference so people are prudent ^^
 
@pentavalentcarbon Ah okay. faith in @penta restored
 
And I'm not sure if CH4 is a Lewis base..
 
4:54 PM
Sulfur hexafluoride (SF6) is an inorganic, colorless, odorless, non-flammable, extremely potent greenhouse gas, which is an excellent electrical insulator. SF 6 has an octahedral geometry, consisting of six fluorine atoms attached to a central sulfur atom. It is a hypervalent molecule. Typical for a nonpolar gas, it is poorly soluble in water but quite soluble in nonpolar organic solvents. It is generally transported as a liquefied compressed gas. It has a density of 6.12 g/L at sea level conditions, considerably higher than the density of air (1.225 g/L). == Synthesis and reactions == SF 6 can...
Std enthalpy of formation (ΔfHo298) -1209 kJ·mol−1
:o
@9-BBN why not?
 
What is the thermodynamical constant of your reaction ? CH5+ is really really not common it is more than exotic lol
For me a lewis base has a lone pair
or a boublet
 
@9-BBN No idea
@9-BBN In a sense the H+ takes the two bonding electrons from one of the C-H bonds of methane
> Methanium can be prepared from methane by the action of very strong acids, such as antimony pentafluoride SbF
5 in hydrogen fluoride HF.
In chemistry, methanium is a positive ion with formula CH+ 5, namely a molecule with one carbon atom bonded to five hydrogen atoms and bearing a +1 electric charge. It is a superacid and one of the onium ions, indeed the simplest carbonium ion. Methanium can be produced in the laboratory as a rarefied gas or as a dilute species in superacids. It was prepared for the first time in 1950 and published in 1952 by Victor Talrose and his assistant Anna Konstantinovna Lyubimova. It occurs as an intermediate species in chemical reactions. The methanium ion is named after methane (CH 4), by analogy with...
 
I know that I show it a hour ago
 
sure
 
I don't know common people who use HSbF6 as well
 
5:00 PM
@9-BBN what... it's a very strong acid
a superacid
which can deprotonate methane
 
@orthocresol My favorites are genmaicha, gyokuro, and mint (not "tea"), if that tells you anything. Earl Grey when not feeling well.
 
According to the classical definition, a superacid is an acid with an acidity greater than that of 100% pure sulfuric acid, which has a Hammett acidity function (H0) of −12. According to the modern definition, superacid is a medium in which the chemical potential of the proton is higher than in pure sulfuric acid. Commercially available superacids include trifluoromethanesulfonic acid (CF3SO3H), also known as triflic acid, and fluorosulfuric acid (HSO3F), both of which are about a thousand times stronger (i.e. have more negative H0 values) than sulfuric acid. Strong superacids are prepared by the...
 
Yes but no one use it in common laboratory
 
@9-BBN sure
 
The weirdest thing that people use are tBuLi, HF and oxirane
 
5:05 PM
Why is t-BuLi weird? All my friends use it seemingly no matter what kind of synthetic chemistry they study.
I used n-BuLi in undergrad.
 
tBuLi is quite hard to use
It burn in air
 
@pentavalentcarbon how do you make n-BuLi :o
 
And a girl did in a laboratory in US because of this
died
 
I didn't make it, I used it.
 
nBuH + LDA ?
 
5:07 PM
Yes, the Sheri Sangji incident is quite famous.
Like all dangerous chemicals and techniques you need to take the right precautions.
 
Oh no
nBuCl + Li
 
IIRC she was wearing improper attire (very flammable) and was using a volume much larger than you'd want in a syringe, should have done cannulation.
 
gives you nBuLi
 
@9-BBN I see
 
Use 2Li
F2 and Mn2O7 are weird too ^^
 
5:10 PM
If you're interested in that stuff, read Derek Lowe's blog, it's very good.
The "Things I Won't Work With" series in particular.
 
Too long for me to understand it as well can you resume it for me please?
 
> When 0.2 (mL) of liquid FOOF was added to 0.5 (mL) of liquid CH4 at 90°K., a violent explosion occurred.
FOOF is nasty mmmkay
 
@pentavalentcarbon when I see FOOF I went like "why would you put two fluorine atoms in such an unstable position"
 
Oh I see
-183 °C
LOL
@dhmo why ":o" for sdt enthalpy of S6
 
5:29 PM
@9-BBN because it is so low
 
@pentavalentcarbon I'm very partial to green tea, so I'm voting for you :D
I've not actually took the time to try the different green teas.
 
:D
Funny, I think tea is an antioxidant, so it kills radicals :(
 
I don't think CH5 needs tea to kill it ;)
 
A vote for me is a vote for a radical with a lifetime of about 10 microseconds.
 
user116211
Who ever gets elected, make Chem.SE great again!!
 
5:46 PM
But it already is great...
 
6:09 PM
@DHMO "Whether di-, tri-, or
tetracoordinate, carbon obeys the octet rule with great predictability
and has four 2-electron (2e) covalent bonds. Atoms with more than
four bonds are known as hypervalent,1 while those with fewer are
said to be electron-deficient. Hypervalence is common in heavier
main group compounds (e.g., PF5 and SF6) but very rare in carbon
compounds. It is widely accepted in the transition state of an SN2
reaction, but the high improbability of actually isolating examples
of hypervalent carbon was dogma for a long time." From "hexacoordinate carbon paper from JACS
That's why I said it was hypervalent
And it is
If if makes six bonds
 
6:36 PM
can sumone help me
 
@AaronAbraham Psst, don't give away our secret organization
@Abcd Perhaps. I will not carry any pianos or full cupboards.
 
I want to understand electrolysis of aquous copper II sulphate
Using copper electrodes
 
@Abcd There are loads of stuff on the internet
Like this one, for instance electrical4u.com/…
Unless you be more specific, I don't think we can go through a whole course of electrolysis.
 
I am unable
to
Understnd Anode reaction
Why Cu dissociates at anode
 
Because it gains electrons.
And the neutral form is not soluble in water.
 
6:41 PM
gains??
I am asking about the anode
not the cathode
@Rubisco are u there?
 
I have kinda a bad connection
 
okay
Can you explain it to me @Rubisco?
 
@Abcd Isn't copper the electrode?
 
yes it is
 
@Abcd On the anode, Cu loses two electrons and enters the solution
 
6:51 PM
why??
 
So it's not Cu anymore, but Cu 2+
 
but why??
 
@Abcd Because Cu 2+ is much happier in water than in the anode.
If you don't need to provide energy for a process and the process results in stable, strong bonds, it's gonna happen.
 
okay
 
That's the case with the copper cation.
 
6:52 PM
Thanks
:)
bye :)
 
It forms a nice little complex with the water.
Bye.
Oh nice, the connection is back
@9-BBN let's gossip about the candidates
 
candidates of what ?
French elections?
 
user116211
listening...
 
user116211
@9-BBN NO.
 
user116211
US elections.
 
user116211
6:54 PM
Trump.
 
Trump is full of bean
 
user116211
Trump will make US great again.
 
And cheetos
 
Idioms I learn today
I don't like Trump lol
Nor clinton too
"Abcd Because Cu 2+ is much happier in water than in the anode."
@Rubisco to be honest that is not a good argument
lol
 
That's true. I asked him.
Copper and water will marry next Monday.
@9-BBN It isn't. It's a high school argument.
 
6:57 PM
Not very scientific at all
 
The only difference between high school and kindergarten is you're being taught some things rather than none in high school.
@9-BBN I'm fully aware.
 
Why hasn't this been deleted yet? chemistry.stackexchange.com/a/60461/15410
 
Aware like Jean Claude Van Dam?
 
@ringo It waited for me to flag
@9-BBN No, like an enzyme
 
Which knid?
kind
 
7:03 PM
@9-BBN Unless you're on mobile, you can edit chat messages you know
@9-BBN The kind that speaks in a chemistry chat
 
And said some wrong things to stop to speak with a little chemistry student who may not be one in fact and be sure wr're still the higher race here lol
It is a joke
You're true when you said the complex make a beautiful blue color ^^
Godwin point sorry
 
Godwin? That's something else
 
Godwin ye
yes
 
6 candidates
 
@Loong :)
 
7:14 PM
Candidates of what ?
 
@Wildcat oh yes, I totally forgot the :-)
 
I don't speak english as well to do it
 
@Loong I KNEW IT! I KNEW IT!
 
youtube.com/watch?v=FbuluDBHpfQ lost myself on YouTube
 
7:33 PM
hi all
 
Hi Todd
We will be safer with you
 
@9-BBN - I'm glad somebody thinks so :)
 
Because you wear LaTeX :P
 
ha ha - I'm old enough that I am a plain TeX guy :)
 
^^
 
7:37 PM
looks like we're going to have a great election here with @Loong @Rubisco @pH13-YetanotherPhilipp @pentavalentcarbon
 
No I'm not
I have not good skills yet to do moderator
or to be
 
well, maybe next time -
hiya @pentavalentcarbon
 
Yep
First I need my C1 level in english
 
Too busy fighting with a Wick contraction package right now...
 
7:39 PM
you're in France, yes?
 
@ToddMinehardt Hello Todd, how is you?
 
@pentavalentcarbon - better you than me. when i wrote my dissertation (plain TeX), i had to do backflips to get EPS files embedded
 
Also, how much does your vote cost?
Black market prices.
 
@Rubisco - yes! sorry for radio silence, i've been busy over the past few months
 
France Yes
 
7:40 PM
my vote for you in free of charge :)
^in^is
 
@ToddMinehardt That's not how this works!
 
@ToddMinehardt nope nope nope
 
I forgot, you're not in the U.S. :)
 
@ToddMinehardt Oh man, when I see EPS, my grandma's worst nightmares appear in front of my eyes
 
haha - i had to hand-edit the postscript to make figures with Greek letters. it was a nightmare
@9-BBN - I had some colleagues in Montpellier at one time
 
7:43 PM
I know someone in US who work on Monte Carlo methods to developpe software
 
is that your area of study?
 
And he also create with a big team something to put in heart to save life
He is very ecclectic
 
who is he, if I may ask? sounds interesting
 
My area of study is process of chemistry
How to create a chat
 
@pentavalentcarbon - you don't know Lillian Chong by any chance, do you?
 
7:48 PM
I'll tell you
 
@9-BBN - interesting stuff
 
@ToddMinehardt hah, their student office is right next to mine. Geoff is down the hall.
 
@pentavalentcarbon - she was my office mate at UCSF when she was doing her ph.d. and i was doing my first post-doc. tell her i said hello :)
 
He is also writing a book about algebra in informatics
But I have no news about him for some months
I'm a little scared since he told be he has diabet
 
@9-BBN - that's unfortunate
hi @ringo
 
7:50 PM
@ToddMinehardt Will do. Small world.
 
@pentavalentcarbon Really small world
 
@pentavalentcarbon - yeah, that's true. even smaller club in the comp. chem. world
 
@Rubisco You knew I met @hBy2Py for lunch a few weeks ago, right?
 
REALLY small world
Brain is handsome.
 
7:53 PM
He wouldn't show me his brain. I'm thankful.
 
@ToddMinehardt his name is below the photo but I won't say who ^^
 
@9-BBN - no worries, thanks for that link, very cool stuff!
 
Two months ago he told me he was earning his royalties haha
 
i bet :)
 
@pentavalentcarbon When he used to be here, I typo'ed Brain as Brian. When he's gone, I'm typo'ing Brian as Brain
 
Too many insider jokes for me
 
@Rubisco works in mysterious ways
 
That's why I'd make a good mod
 
exactly
 
Ok, no one is in the office anymore. I will finish this thing now
 
7:59 PM
And then play Minesweeper
 
hey, you do what you gotta do...
 

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