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5:22 AM
The caretaker has taken care.
 
5:33 AM
care is in the air?
 
Yes, when need be...
 
 
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user161117
7:27 AM
Woah I have found some truly remarkable crystal that will never dissolve in a certain liquid despite both of them being highly ionic.
 
Jan
So caring!
@StevenGrigsby I'm not even surprised that that be possible ;)
 
user161117
Yeah unfortunately I'm talking about water crystals not dissolving in liquid NaCl :P
 
user161117
Haha oh hey I saw your conversation earlier, you got me thinking about how current flow is thought of in QM
 
Jan
Just because they are on opposite sides of the phase diagram? xD
 
user161117
Do you think it would be the kind of thing you could model with the particle in a box and considering the insulators as the infinite potential or do I need to start thinking in terms of band structures maybe of the wire. Or I guess you said you have no f*cking clue haha but
 
user161117
7:50 AM
@Jan Hey I'm going to be applying to some universities for computational chemistry pretty soon, would you happen to know where they have the good super computers? haha
 
Jan
8:21 AM
@StevenGrigsby Ask @Martin-マーチン, he does that for a living ;)
 
Depending on what you want to do, you don't really need good supercomputers, you should mainly focus on what you are interested when choosing a place
 
user161117
Hmm well
 
user161117
I've always been interested in organic mechanisms
 
user161117
I've started reading through Jensen and Bacharach's books
 
user161117
so I guess I'll just start googling in that direction but any helpful advice would be great.
 
user161117
8:34 AM
Pericyclic reactions interest me a bit at the moment I've been looking into the Mills-Nixon effect, kind of curious about how annulated aromatic compounds like benzene might have angle strain induced bond localization
 
user161117
and if you know any more blogs like Henry Rzepa I'm digging in deep or at least trying to haha
 
user161117
looks like a fun intense road ahead hopefully
 
What is your current educational level?
 
user161117
bachelors in chemistry, math minor. I've taken up to advanced organic chemistry and fourier analysis
 
user161117
I don't have too much experience programming, started playing around with Java about a year ago so I can mess around in Matlab and python and other OOP more or less
 
user161117
8:43 AM
Sorry I'm not really responding quickly, I'm helping out a friend with some calculus homework
 
yeah no problem...
before thinking about programming you need a decent knowledge of the basic principles
and maybe get to know what you actually want to calculate
if you want to elucidate reaction mechanisms, you don't need many programming skills
you will be much more using (mostly) commercial programs to calculate things
mechanisms unfortunately take a long time to develop
from there on you can get into pretty complicated territory, but I guess, that's more of a thing for a phd or later
 
user161117
Oh, what about mechanisms take a long time to develop? The theory behind them or the calculations take time?
 
It starts with the theory, where you have to guess one likely mechanism
one that you would consider the most economical
from there you consider all possible reactions in the conformational space and that can be a very lenghty process
and of course you need to consider possible side reactions
and their conformational space
and that is only the initial setup, you need to calculate most of it
guessing a transitionstate can be quite a lengthy process, verification also takes time then connecting it to the local minima
once you have a couple of plausible mechanisms you have to check your methodology
with different methods... and you always have to keep in mind that you might not find what you were looking for
your initial hypothesis might be flawed... things are more difficult
like a solvent effect, an intermediate dimerisation, h-bonding can mess things up
there is a lot to think about
 
user161117
9:00 AM
Makes sense, so I suppose I should start on something a little simpler but related at first, so what kind of stepping stone sort of projects would be good to take on before this?
 
I think a general masters course will do the trick, maybe you find some place, where they are doing research in that area... guidance is the best way to learn
so if you are interested in mechanism development and elucidation, go somewhere where they do it
learning all different methods, their application, weaknesses, failures and so on is important, so that you know what to do with your results
some bonding analysis can's hurt
It's basically best you just get the foot in the door doing computational chemistry...
and take it from there, interesting prospects might arise...
and while you are working on the one thing you'll find that excited states are much more fascinating
or you like the programming aspect more...
there is really no good advice someone can give, apart from just try it
 
9:44 AM
If someone could have a look, I don't want to hammer it down as off-topic all by myself.
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Q: How quickly will steel lose structural strength from a heat flash?

sharpCodeI want to know if a sustained jet fuel burn around steel has the ability to make the steel structurally unsound. It seems like any applied heat that effects steel will be a kind of "heat flash": a sudden, and possibly quite short-lived, burst of heat. In this situation, we assume steel has a melt...

 
user161117
Hahaha
 
user161117
Yeah I would say this is off topic
 
Because it has to do with strength of materials ?
 
user161117
No, because jet fuel can't melt steel beams
 
oh, i was only considering his last question , i thought the introduction was not related but then i realized his actual question might be related ("Is a sudden heat flash enough to cause steel to weaken? ") since it has to do with the strength of a material
 
9:51 AM
=^.^=
 
Anyone in here ever experimented with an electron microscope ?
 
I didn't.
 
Do you want to :)?
 
user161117
SEM or TEM?
 
SEM is the scattering one ?
(if so, then yes)
 
9:59 AM
@soundslikefiziks nah, don't like doing real physical experiments.
 
@StevenGrigsby yes, SEM (googled it)
 
user161117
Oh no I was just curious sorry haha
 
user161117
I would have answered sooner so you didn't have to google
 
user161117
I sorta understand the theory I think more or less of how they work
 
Actually, i felt like i have to google before responding
 
user161117
10:02 AM
but haven't used one in a long time
 
Well, i just wanted to know if it was beneficial to your chemistry understanding
 
user161117
no, not really
 
I always thought it's more of the physics section like @Wildcat said
 
user161117
I think it's helped my biology understanding if anything
 
could you actually see molecules moving ?
i know it's a bit optimistic of me to ask, but still.
 
10:04 AM
@soundslikefiziks, I could do so even without SEM. When I'm drunk. :D
everything is moving :D
 
@haha, i mean without being under the influence of any substance
 
user161117
you can't see molecules moving with SEM
 
@soundslikefiziks why do you want to see them moving? =O.o=
 
@StevenGrigsby but could you see their structure ?
 
user161117
it scans over the surface of an object and there is a potential energy between the tip of the microscope and the surface of what you want to look at
 
10:06 AM
@Wildcat it's interesting to see
 
user161117
so the electrons tunnel through this to create a current, and what you see is this current value to give you a kind of topology of the surface, you could google up some pics of this
 
user161117
I never used the microscope for this
 
What did you use it for ?
 
user161117
I was looking at some plant cells
 
user161117
and I barely operated the device and hadn't even heard of what a wave function was at this point so
 
10:08 AM
and could still see a great deal of details right ?
 
user161117
I didn't operate it
 
user161117
well yeah more than I could see with my bare eye haha
 
and comparing to a less expensive microscope ?
 
user161117
This is basically what I was looking at usask.ca/biology/scopes/Image%20gallery/Chloroplast.jpg
 
this is an image from an SEM ?
 
user161117
10:11 AM
Nah, this is TEM
 
user161117
SEM is more 3D looking
 
The result picture will be 3D?
oh , ok, it creates depth using the returned energy
 
user161117
I'm not really sure, I don't use electron microscopes
 
user161117
I might have mixed up the names
 
Yea well, it's not exactly a household essential , you need to mortgage a house to buy one
 
user161117
10:17 AM
haha
 
user161117
yeah, they are supposedly really easy to break from what I remember
 
Yet surprisingly someone managed to DIY that as well youtube.com/watch?v=VdjYVF4a6iU
 
user161117
oh damn cool!
 
So, what else is going on?
BTW @soundslikefiziks sorry that I wasn't here to welcome your coming to the Table.
 
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I wasn't expecting a welcoming so i was not disappointed :) , but now i get to thank you for the intention to do so :)
 
10:29 AM
(づ。◕‿‿◕。)づ Welcome to the Table of idiots anyway.
 
Thanks , Jan was afraid yesterday that you would see her say something in german
 
I did see it.
Someone's going to die . . .
 
user161117
Well it's been real...
 
Yes it was :)
 
Hey @Mart you there?
Ping me when you're there.
 
10:44 AM
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M What's the matter?
 
I wanna write meta.
Not usual meta.
 
Hi!
 
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M, if you want, then write it!
 
10:45 AM
Hmm.
\o
Anyway, @Martin, I wanna write meta and ask feedback from users.
 
\o/
 
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I need some more info
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M continue
 
> What do you think we need to do better?
Is going to be the gist of it.
So @Mart should I write it?
 
i dunno... do you think we need to do something better?
 
That's the thing.
I'm also partially active on ELL.
I know what problems we have there.
I dunno what problems we have on chem, and how we should improve them.
 
10:49 AM
We have no problems. :D
 
For instance, @Mart, ELL had a problem of bad titles, and a lot of them.
So I wrote
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Q: How can I write a better title for my ELL question?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.MI have an ELL question; but the Stack Exchange format obliges me to write a title not shorter than 15 characters and not longer than 150 characters. So, how do I write a good title? Link to the main answer and Link to the TL;DR version for your ease of use.

 
Everyone thinking differently should be banned.
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=^.^=
 
@Wildcat Definitely.
And I wrote
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Q: Title Cleanup Event (TCE) - An invitation

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.MQ: How should we fix the problem of bad question titles on ELL? A: Basically, my approach consists of three major stages: Make a meta post and teach people how to write good titles. (Done) Edit bad titles and make them better. Ban some keywords in titles, or give a warning message to users tha...

And now the titles are way better.
But I have no idea what the problems in chem are.
Of course we could be perfect, but of course there are things we could improve.
 
user161117
huh
 
@Mart so?
 
user161117
10:51 AM
are you looking for problems
 
@StevenGrigsby Meta discussion.
@StevenGrigsby Yes/
Asking for feedback.
On meta.
 
user161117
why?
 
Ohhhh well... people not giving a proper edit summary is certainly a problem :P
 
Because I want to improve the site's health.
 
user161117
It's sick?
 
10:52 AM
:O
 
@Martin-マーチン Hush now! But actually, since we covered that in a meta post, I don't see a need for repetition.
@StevenGrigsby No, but finding and solving the problems is a crucial deed in growing communities.
When we got big and the possible problems got bigger, we have no way to look back.
 
user161117
this seems like the wrong approach
 
\o @pH13
@StevenGrigsby Why?
 
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M o/
 
Well, I currently have my own thing to worry about... still have to come up with a meta post on the vlq, naa thing
 
10:56 AM
@Martin-マーチン A lot to read in the main meta.
So @Mart will you feature it pleeeeeaase?
(。◕‿‿◕。)
 
user161117
@Martin-マーチンI've been thinking about the answer you gave me about LCAO, how we only consider real orbitals and not complex ones when combining phase and I think I might have come across some other answer that might be simpler but I'm not sure if it's true
 
@Martin ^
 

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