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12:01 AM
@cfr How does this look like? line no=*2*tempcounta()
What about _ for pgfmath? line no=_2*tempcounta(). Though function names there can begin with _ ...
line no=:2*tempcounta() ?
 
cfr
@SašoŽivanović I think the use in names makes this potentially confusing. I'm not that keen on * either.
@SašoŽivanović TikZ treats : specially in some cases. Would that be a problem? E.g. in label?
 
@cfr That's not a count or dimen so it shouldn't matter.
 
cfr
12:16 AM
@SašoŽivanović Fair point. Wish I could figure out how to type a pound sign, but I can only manage a Euro and TeX SE doesn't seem to support such new-fangled currencies.
 
@cfr He! A pound or euro would be a bad idea. If dollar can mean math, why not them? ;-)
 
cfr
@SašoŽivanović Exactly. However, I can't even type them to suggest them!
Or you could use the Chinese symbol for cracy, following CTAN's lead.
 
@cfr :-) I've got euro no problem. One of the easier for me: €.
In code:
 
cfr
@SašoŽivanović ^^ The above will make no sense unless you visited the site on Friday.
 
@cfr I most definitely did! It was hilarious!
 
cfr
12:21 AM
I can type it in Kile but not here <- pasted from Kile.
But I can't type it directly for some reason.
 
Wow I have just learned to enter backtick with a "single" stroke: rightalt+SHIFT+7! Life is good! :-)
 
cfr
@SašoŽivanović And so obvious!
 
I have no idea where my pound symbol is. I use a Slovene layout, sure, but my physical keyboard is a US model (MS, I'm ashamed to admit).
 
cfr
@SašoŽivanović I get a beep if I do that.
 
@cfr I only needed a decade to figure it out! Double rightalt = rightalt+shift.
 
cfr
12:24 AM
@SašoŽivanović Yes, that's my problem. In work it is easy as I have a UK keyboard. (Just everything else is more annoying.)
 
I've never seen a UK keyboard. Had no idea its different than US ... don't you guys have the same language? ;-)
 
cfr
I have a feeling if I could just choose the right settings in KDE's config, that it would all work but when I turned right-alt into my compose key, I lost the easy way to type the Euro. And the pound I've never figured out.
@SašoŽivanović Oh, yes. 'Divided by a common language.'
But there's no sterling symbol on a US keyboard ....
 
Is this a pound? Ł
Nah. It's the polish ł.
 
cfr
And lots of things are in different places. Like | and, I think, ` and certainly things like " and @ and # and so on.
 
@cfr Which distro?
 
cfr
12:28 AM
£
 
cfr
^^ I compiled a .tex document to get this and then copied the text.
@SašoŽivanović Arch.
 
I used an on-screen keyboard.
@cfr Me too!
 
cfr
@SašoŽivanović Really Arch? Not Manjaro or whatever?
 
@cfr No. Arch. For years now. First distro that made me really happy.
Started with suse, moved to redhat, and were then for years on gentoo, until finally.
 
cfr
12:32 AM
@SašoŽivanović It is the first distro I installed on a machine I bought to run Linux. I ran Debian prior to that, partly because I had very few choices of distro. It was never fully satisfactory. A laptop which can't sleep is not fully functional. But that wasn't Debian's fault.
 
@cfr Yes I''ve had many problems with sleep on laptops myself. Sometimes they wouldn't go to sleep, other times they wouldn't wake up ...
 
cfr
@SašoŽivanović I also use Fedora. Fedora on my work box and Arch on my laptop. And Fedora on my mother's machine. (It is my mother's machine, but I do the technical stuff.(
@SašoŽivanović Oh, it slept and woke up fine. Unfortunately, it was impossible to control the backlight. On boot, it turned fully on. OK. On sleep, it turned fully off and there was no way to persuade it to turn on again.
 
@cfr I also have a fair number of other machines to take care of ... all would be fine if that didn't include 5 windows machines at my father's company. :-( It's just to make me thankful that I don't have to live with that.
@cfr Also sounds familiar! ;-)
 
cfr
@SašoŽivanović My current laptop is easier because 'will work with Linux' was a selection criterion. However, I believe that if I were to hook it up to DVI out at the moment, it would probably kill all video. My work machine has this problem. However, with Fedora I can run an older kernel easily. There's some bug with intel graphics in the 4.4.* kernels.
 
@cfr Good criterion!
 
cfr
12:40 AM
@SašoŽivanović Some stuff doesn't work well or at all, but probably I could get more working with time. And I have friends running Windows who say stuff like bluetooth has never worked properly on their laptops, either. So I'm not sure my setup is worse.
Much easier than running Debian on a PPC-based PowerBook with Nvidia graphics and an airport wifi thing requiring one of those binary blobs.
@SašoŽivanović So is it > and : ?
 
@cfr :-)
@cfr As $...$ must be out ... yup.
@cfr Oh we need another one for "plain". Sometimes you actually want to put e.g. a 1 in an if or such, for example if you get the value via a style argument. I think there's even an example like this in prooftrees, with a numeral in move by if I remember correctly. ', in honour of my misguided option's?
 
cfr
1:04 AM
@SašoŽivanović Yes, although out-of-the-box it wasn't.
@SašoŽivanović Sorry. I'm not sure quite what you're referring to.
 
@cfr Some other day ... good night!
 
cfr
@SašoŽivanović Good night. prooftrees has stuff like
if'={%
          {_n<}{1}{#1}%
but that's not what you mean.
 
Got it: search for y'=##4,
... though it might not be the very best example.
 
 
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cfr
11:44 AM
@SašoŽivanović I'm getting somewhat lost. Do you need something to distinguish that case? Is the idea that right now the ' indicates the plain version (as opposed to process in this case) so you want something for that to avoid the current situation in which ' is used with multiple senses in different places? Presumably, something like y should default to plain but you need an explicit signal for completeness?
 

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