It looks like a coordinated attack is coming from Skeptics SE

@Old_Lamplighter morning

@motosubatsu Morning sir. Hope everything is good with you.

My furry four legged alarm clock was hungry early today, so I am up early, LOL

I'm just catching up on the flag you mention above

@motosubatsu yeah, this was a messy edit war and comments nit picking a few months back. Very nasty comments and post vandalism, with insulting remarks. Now, they've started an entire thread at Skeptics, and are sending people here.

Thanks, for checking it, BTW.

@motosubatsu thank you

@Old_Lamplighter I'll keep an eye on it... the existence of the skeptics thread itself isn't a problem IMO but any discussion of what is ultimately third party claims (i.e. your quoted sources) belongs over there. I've put a comment on the post which should (hopefully) direct any users wishing to discuss that to there

@motosubatsu Thanks, I don't know why that post attracted so much hate. That stat has been around a long time. The problem these days is that if it's not on the net it does't exist to some people. On another site, someone got so frustrated about "it's not on the net", that they photgraphed pages from the report they cited and posted them as a response.

@motosubatsu How's your health, BTW? Better, I hope

@Old_Lamplighter not too bad thanks.. lockdown's been tough health-wise, can't go to the gym an I've had limited access to my physio but otherwise I'm getting by :)

@motosubatsu Good luck with it, I hope that they ease up and make it easier for you.

@Old_Lamplighter I think that your idea of "citation" differs somewhat to what Skeptics.SE considers a citation. To them, linking to another article that quotes the same statistics without referencing source data or study doesn't really constitute a "citation". I'd be tempted to replace "citation" with "generally accepted figures indicate that 80-90% of employees who accept a counter-offer leave..."

Doing that should allow your answer to escape an edit war and allow Skeptics.SE to continue looking for citations without people jumping to your answer and knee-jerking edits into it.

And hello by the way, hope you're well.

@snow good idea. Thanks, and doing okay for myself.

That's good. We've entered another stage of loosening lockdown here, which is a positive. Still have to wait for the end of July before my employer even thinks about a return to the office.

@Snow We've got some scandals over here. My state was one of the hardest hit in the US. But we have very few fatal cases now. I've been to the office since June of last year (I was one of only two in my section, and only about 15 on the whole floor, so it was safer than going to the store.

We're not allowed scandals here, we're in a period of national mourning.

@Snow we are too busy finding reasons to hate each other here to mourn anything.

@Old_Lamplighter looks like I missed the drama and blew my chance to swing my hammer around like a mace :-(

we have only had one case of covid here, but we've been on solid lockdown with closed borders for over a year. Not sure if it's working well though, we have five times the murders and violent crimes than pre-covid and huge unemployment due to the lockdown.

@Kilisi We have skyrocketing crime, drugs, and suicides here :(

@Old_Lamplighter yeah, but you already had that... ahaha

@Kilisi I wish you were joking :/

@Old_Lamplighter We don't have much gun violence, most murders are bush knives or group bashings. Home invasions are the ones I worry most about. Lost one of my dogs recently to stab wounds from someone who must have come over the 6 foot fence. But many people don't have fences and dogs like me.

@Kilisi A good knowledge of chemistry can come in handy where purchased weapons are hard to find. a super-soaker filled with vinegar can be a wonderful deterrent when sprayed in a would-be assailant's face.

@Old_Lamplighter might not be too great if there's half a dozen though, we don't get solo invasions here. That's more of a gun toting crime.

I'm not worried if I'm home, just don't want to go out much and leave the wif and kids alone.

I get it. Teach your kids to use slingshots, and have plenty of ball bearings around

@Old_Lamplighter ahaha, slingshots are weak. I taught my kids to sling. This vid is me mucking around with a strip sling, but we have proper ones and practice all the time. youtube.com/watch?v=mqu-plfFFj4

Slinging is great for exercise and stress relief.

@Kilisi Whatever works, works.

@Old_Lamplighter yep, and slings can be lethal, ask Goliath ;)

big learning curve though, takes years, but the best exercise for IT people like programmers I reckon because it stops you getting RSI from typing and using the mouse

@Kilisi If I still had my house, I'd take up the hobby.

The problem with slinging as a beginner is that even as a beginner you have a stone travelling over 100 kmph and accuracy is ridiculously bad.

The top guy is German, there's a vid online of him hitting a protruding nail head from about 20 metres and driving the nail home

@Old_Lamplighter Damn, at least you picked up German later enough to understand it but not speak it. You might not have missed much because a lot of highschool's don't teach German and French very well.

@Kilisi Nice. The stigma around facial tattoos comes from the fact that people and society in general think that someone with facial tattoos is involved in legal activity. When it couldn't be further from the truth. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I've found people with tattoos are the complete opposite of what society view them as.

@Kilisi I'm not sure the reaction I would get as tattoos are fairly common where I am, and considered to be normal. Now Japan for that matter would be totally different. It's funny when you think about it, wearing masks in public has always been normal in Japan but was considered odd and frowned on in the west. Coronavirus changes that. On the other hand tattoos are normal in the west but are viewed negatively in Japan, and I don't think Japan's negative perception of tattoos will ever change.

> involved in legal activity

And also interesting is that Japan has had a very blasé reaction to covid 19.

I meant illegal activity

@GregoryCurrie You think they don't take it seriously? They banned overseas visitors to the Tokyo olympics because they don't want *foreigners* to bring coronavirus to Japan. I would think that shows how seriously they are with the virus

Yes, i don't think they take is seriously

I think it's the strong culture of masks which has pretty much saved Japan

@starboy depends what the tattoo is, I definitely judge people by their tattoos.

met plenty of very nasty people with tattoos

@motosubatsu You were right, they sent me the dreaded email telling me that "After carefully considering your application" blah blah blah. It took them two weeks to get back to me after sending them emails following the online test, when they said that I would receive a response following the test, at most a week after the test. Oh well, on to the next.

@GregoryCurrie They were prepared. I think you could apply that to all of east asia, they all wear masks, and/or their governments can get away with enforcing draconian measures to contain the virus

@Kilisi Those are the rotten apples that spoil the bunch

@starboy maybe, facial tattoos are a category apart, most of the apples are rotten unless there is cultural context

@Kilisi It seems to me that outside of sports, a guy with a facial tattoos would have issues getting past HR/interviews, especially in white collar jobs.

@starboy Except in a country where facial tattoos are normal of course.

@starboy yes, it can be very limiting in many facets of life. With Japan the cultural context (not the perception) of tattoos IS criminals

@Kilisi I guess the line "What would possess a guy to get a tattoo on his face", has some truth

@starboy yep ;)

Would you say that a facial tattoo would be a barrier in modelling?

@starboy no idea, entertainers seem to be fine so probably a niche for that as well in modelling, depends on the tattoo

There was a guy a few years back whose mugshot got him contracts with the biggest modelling agencies. His facial tattoo was not overwhelming, but it was still noticeable, and was one of those facial tattoos that have negative connotations. It was a tear drop which I think gang members use.

This lady is a New Zealand news reporter, she look fine to me.

@Kilisi Mostly rappers :). Pop stars have to be clean cut :)

@starboy no idea, I dislike rap music, heavy rock and metal are my thing, they all tend to look like idiots though

@Kilisi Wow, that's interesting. If a news reporter can have one, then it must be as acceptable as wearing an ear ring.

@starboy News reporter, many community leaders, a couple of Politicians, the traditional tattoos are fine in New Zealand. They were banned a couple of generations back, but always kept going in the rural areas

@Kilisi Fair enough, I love rap music - wasn't always the case I admit. I pictured Marilyn Manson when you said that about them.

ahaha

Wait I just found out Marilyn Manson is not his real name

Dude is faker than I thought

Is all of Hollywood full of fakes?

Entertainers are all fake, I just listen to the music 'Video Killed The Radio Star'

@Kilisi What's the earliest age a new zealander is able to get a tattoo, and is it a right of passage of some sort?

@starboy no idea, I'm not from NZ

@Kilisi Yep. The title of that video seems like it's trying to make a point

@Kilisi Oh right, my mistake

It's a choice these days I think, no cultural pressure to get one, probably plenty against it though.

Marilyn is a girl's name, so I always suspected that name was suspicious

@Kilisi What genre is that song?

I'd never heard of him until you mentioned him

Pop I guess, just a line I remember from way back in my youth youtube.com/watch?v=W8r-tXRLazs

@starboy sorry to hear it! on to the next!

@motosubatsu Thanks. I learned a lot from this experience: never take an online coding challenge in a programming language you don't know, and if you get disconnected during the online challenge, you will not get the chance to retake it.

Has anyone noticed a condescending attitude from software engineers in industry towards software engineering in academia? I would even go as far as to say that their condescending attitude borders on hate.

I don't see why software engineers in industry think they are better than their counterparts in academia

@starboy in my experience I've seen the reverse as well (academics believe themselves superior to industry), and they're both wrong. Academia and industry are very different worlds, and software engineers who kick ass in industry would have no guarantee of succeeding in academia and vice versa

@motosubatsu I would like to see the reverse, to balance things out :) because now it's just one way. I remember a guy in industry bragging about how he had to fire his professor because he couldn't adapt to software engineering in industry

@motosubatsu I would say a software engineer in academia is much more likely to succeed in industry than the reverse, remember that a lot of software engineers/developers in industry are self taught. When it's mostly practical work you don't really need to understand computer science theory.

Linus Torvalds was in academia before he went into industry. The creator of C++ is still in Academia. Uber was notorious for stealing academics from America's top universities.

In fact without JavaScript, front end web development would just be design.

Even with JavaScript, most of the DOM is purely HTML and bits of CSS, JavaScript is heavily a minority

@starboy what is wrong with javascript, I use lots of it, but I'm not a dev, just seems the only way to do some things without refreshing the page.