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7:22 AM
good morning
 
 
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8:29 AM
advice on a specific choice Back to school: employement perspectives‭ - Michelignax‭ 2020-02-27 08:09:33Z
 
 
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Kaz
10:02 AM
Welcome @minus.273
 
@Kaz Hello, how are you doing?
 
Kaz
@minus.273 It's snowing here, so I guess there's that.
 
@Kaz I feel you. Here it is hailing. I wish the hail here turned to snow though.
 
10:22 AM
Oof. I've sent more escalation mails today than in the past year combined... This should get interesting. :)
 
Bee
11:15 AM
Before I looked outside I did expect to see actual snow but alas it's just grey and cold
 
@Bee apparently there was (some) snow near work this morning but I had nothing at home and there was nothing when I got here
I do love snow - but I have to say I'm not a fan on work days, the idiots who can't drive in it make getting anywhere a nightmare
 
Bee
Where are you based?
I saw some in peoples IG stories when but by the time I got into the city it was all long gone
Bit of a slow start this morning.... I blame the cold
I'm northern line practically door to door so it doesn't really effect my journey and I'd rather snow than rain
 
@Bee I'm in the north west
 
Bee
Ah that explains it
 
11:38 AM
@Bee yeah I don't tend to stray inside the dread sigil Odegra particularly often :)
 
Bee
@Moto I don't blame you, to be honest
 
@Bee I'll admit that basically all my trips to London in the last few years (in fact pretty much all of them in the last decade or more) have been for work and largely sh#tty which probably biases me somewhat
 
Bee
@moto I grew up here but then spent a about 10 years away from it, desperately wanting to go back, but now I've been back for a few years and I see why my parents moved away and I'm glad I changed my mind about going to uni here. It has it's good and bad points, but honestly I guess I liked it so much when I was younger because I didn't work or pay bills etc
Basically - you're not missing much and the North West is definitely better
 
12:41 PM
@Lilienthal ominous
 
 
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Kaz
1:46 PM
@Bee My advice to everyone I know is that unless you have a really good reason to stay in London, you should move somewhere house prices are actually affordable. Mine would be Nottingham personally. Went to Uni there and it’s just an absolutely lovely city.
 
Bee
I learnt to drive in Nottingham and that one way system has scarred me for life
I definitely won't buy in London
 
buying in a big city is a losing proposition anyways
we're a hair's breadth away from political pressure forcing rent caps and huge taxes on landlords there, so the investment is anything but secure
 
Bee
2:03 PM
I think that's a good think though, rent is extortionate. Until my raise I was paying nearly half my monthly take home on it
 
@Bee housing costs (be it rent or purchase prices) are simply mind boggling in London
 
Bee
With remote work becoming more common, I'm fairly sure people are going to stop moving here
 
@Bee I'd think this is marginal in the big picture, sadly
 
@Bee which in turn should (in theory) drive prices down a bit - but that oil tanker aint turning around at the drop of a hat
 
Bee
@moto what a brill analogy
@Arthur Yeah I guess I have blinkers on due to my industry
 
2:09 PM
If yourself have the opportunity to remote then I'd consider moving away from London. Bordeaux is becoming expensive and I already consider moving away. It's nowhere near London prices though, I have no idea how you tolerate that
 
High housing costs have captured the gains of the economic progress of the last couple of decades in majority in the hands of landlords and investors
think about it: If I worked in frankfurt, my take home pay would be about 60% higher for a similar role. But I would also pay more then I get extra in additional rent
so all the extra money I worked for would be captured by a landlord there
 
Bee
@Arthur it's a consideration for sure
 
A statistician have plotted the graph of salary / housing cost in the last 70 years. Guess what, we're in an all-time high
This is France stats
its price / salary, sorry.
i mean your feeling is right.
 
2:46 PM
Good morning all. Hope everyone is having a good week.
 
hi there
 
Glad to see the Poop guy or gal took a break....
 
@MisterPositive maybe they're on a toilet break?
 
guess being a mod you really have to get your hands dirty :D
 
@motosubatsu I sure hope so, LOL
LOL
you got that right @ArthurHavlicek
 
2:55 PM
He's probably in jail, after that whole "I cut up all the chairs in my office" scenario
 
@dwizum LOL
Its amazing how many people thing they cannot be tracked....
 
@MisterPositive so many long term trolls over in charcoal
they all have their pattern
 
@MisterPositive my current employer is bristling with security to the point where it's almost comical. Once, on a Friday, we put a balloon on someone's desk for their birthday, and the police showed up in the middle of the night that Sunday because alarms went off when it popped.
 
Bee
3:18 PM
@dwizum you've gotta see the funny side...
 
Oh, we all thought it was hilarious. I'm sure the police didn't.
Then again, it was probably less stressful than showing up and finding an armed crook in the building
 
Bee
I think the police probably see the funny side too - provided it's not someone being stupid wasting their time
Obviously not great to waste police time at all
 
4:07 PM
@Bee reminds me of a "fun" time at a previous workplace where people kept forgetting to close windows before leaving - a moderate gust of wind would then set the alarm off causing the police to attend. After I think it was the 6th incident in less than a year the police rather irritably said that if it happened again they would start charging
 
Bee
I mean, that's just plain stupid.... you learn from the first time!
 
@Bee it gets even worse in that they never did.. their "solution" was to make myself and a colleague who lived nearby contacts on the alarm monitoring so we'd get called first and, as we only lived a couple of miles away would be able to get in and verify the false alarm before the call to the police was triggered
that was... not a great company
 
@motosubatsu I would like that
provided of course I get fairly compensated for being called in
 
How are you supposed to do tho, you present yourself with a baseball bat just in case ? :O
 
Bee
Yeah, that sounds super dangerous
 
4:22 PM
@Magisch "fairly" and "compensated" weren't really words that were paired at that company, it was more "shut up" and "do what you're told"
 
in my area the chance its an actual breakin is miniscule and when it is they usually dont carry weapons and run when they see someone
 
@ArthurHavlicek nope.. just turn up with the keys, nominally the idea was that if you arrived and saw something happening you'd just stay the hell out of the way until the police arrived
@Magisch normally that would have been the case in this area as well - except the reason why we'd ended up with the stupid alarm system in the first place was because the office had been broken in to.
 
@motosubatsu I'm willing to do a lot of odd hours and come in at odd times, provided there's compensation
I don't have family obligations like most people, but that's rare and costs :D
 
@Magisch All of them were basically ignored but hey, CYA protocol is in effect. :)
 
@Lilienthal community team is down 2 people, and was behind before that
I don't bother flagging up serial voting atm because it would just feed the backlog
 
4:32 PM
@Magisch in general I'm in agreement - I'll do odd or unpleasant hours here and there but as I've gown to value my out-of-work time more highly there would be a commensurate rise in what it would cost
 
@motosubatsu Thats exactly how it works
 
Ah, just to clarify @Magisch, I was sending escalation mails at work, not on Workplace. :)
 
I'll do weekend for 2.5 time, holiday too, ordinary overtime for x2, 4h minimum
@Lilienthal ah
has the added pleasant side effect of keeping utilization of my overtime low
 
4:46 PM
Thankfully I'm in a position where labor rights and my contract is such that I don't have to do overtime if I decline to do so, except in specific circumstances
 
@Bee - solid answer to that remote-worker-raise question :)
 
Bee
Thanks! And yours :)
It struck me as very similar to the one I linked to in tone
 
@Bee Might be just me but I find that your "No" heading is a bit harsh
 
@ArthurHavlicek really?
 
@motosubatsu Well, a bit. If you put yourself in shoes of someone with a different opinion that is.
 
Bee
4:58 PM
@Arthur I do go onto explain my reasons and I don't think I was too harsh with it. I always like to headline my answers with an "at a glance" response
 
@ArthurHavlicek how does being of a different opinion make it "harsh"?
 
@Bee I think these explanations are great and I agree with them.
 
it's not like Bee wrote "of course not you imbecile!"
 
@motosubatsu Because you don't leave room for contrary belief. The "imbecile" isn't there but you boldly state truth is on your side.
 
Bee
My highest ever voted answer starts with the headline "NO"
And in that case I really did want to call the OP an imbecile
 
5:01 PM
@ArthurHavlicek it's a summary of Bee's answer, which they then go on to explain in more detail. They were polite and courteous throughout
 
@motosubatsu It's making a disservice to the message imho. I'd totally downvote the summary if not for what's within the answer.
I don't know like i told you it may just be me
 
Bee
Well that's completely your choice to downvote
 
I won't clearly its overall good
but i'm not fan of the heading
 
Bee
I was just making the point that imo, the answer is a clear and concise one. Unlike a lot of questions, I think it has a very clear answer, no grey area
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@Bee very well put
 
Bee
5:06 PM
Also, you should down vote based on just the summary - that alone would be a terrible answer!
 
@Bee My point exactly. I don't mean to say anything else than that
 
5:32 PM
I think it's a great answer, you've given a summary statement and then backed it up.
 
 
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6:43 PM
I just hope you don't make too much of a case of this. I already regret.
 
 
5 hours later…
11:36 PM
Can't sleep. Thinking a bit too fast. This whole story affecting me too much and now I really understand why.
I had a father that used arguments to control me and my brother when I was a teen. He used to need to prove points and get us to agree with him. He used every possible abusive mean: aggressiveness, lies, etc. he is paranoiac and antisemitic and tried to convince us of conspiracy theories.
We were young and he was a reference to us. When I grew up and realized that I started to open up my disagreement. This affected our relationship greatly. He was OK father outside that.
Until recently I avoided all kind of political debates and stuff because I feared the aggressiveness. But I really just made the connection.
So to everybody I'm really sorry if I made erratic statements about violence etc. but I had to sort a few issues with myself.
 

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