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I started writing this as a comment, but it got a bit long. Consider this a partial answer.
In short, he's right in theory, but wrong for all practical intents, and you should ignore him.
It is theoretically possible for your competition to build up a profile of your business, based on anything...
I was trying to edit the title since the wording seems awkward but it's such a ludicrous notion that I can't figure out a neutral and concise way to put this...
> Suzy Welch: The advice you've been given about negotiating your salary is wrong
Suzy Welch is wrong.
End of.
But if you want more explanation: study after study has proven that people who negotiate often and negotiate well will earn considerably more than those who don't.
The vast majority of companies do NOT correctly reward tenure.
Meaning that in almost all cases you should negotiate aggressively if possible.
If you want X and they offer X-15%, you try to go for X anyway.
That's the whole negotiation process.
It may not work of course, and that's not really a problem.
Your assessment may be off, they may outright tell you that they want a reserve to hand out 5%+ raises during the first few years (which you need to hold them to but that's a separate matter).
But the suggestion that you should never negotiate because it's "close enough" is patently ridiculous.
> "I know not everyone's going to agree on my advice on this," she says, "but here's the advice I give my own kids: If the salary is within 10 to 15 percent of what you had in your head, say, 'Yes, thank you. I'm excited. I can't wait.'"
Sure, just work for 15% less
Easy to say if you have a cushy journalist job making well over 100k.
Not so easy if you're close to minimum wage trying to feed a family
@Lilienthal I could count the number of companies I would trust to not renege on that one less then one hand
"Sure we'll give you a raise next year" "Sorry, no raises for anyone"
He is in a very big position in the company, but me and my colleagues know he is fake because he doesn't have the basic technical knowledge of our industry, while his LinkedIn page shows that he held a lot of technical positions in many big companies worldwide, which is absolutely against logic.
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I'm closing this as off-topic because I believe that this site shouldn't encourage a witch-hunt or give advice for what is essentially doxing. The answers below are useful and look at the potentially fallacious reasoning that inspired this post but ultimately don't really answer the question. And that's a good thing because I don't believe we want or need to see actual answers for that question here. Please cast reopen votes or discuss on The Workplace Meta if you disagree. — Lilienthal ♦1 min ago
I have an offer for a position in a new startup and I was asked to provide concept designs for at least 1 page ( both mobile and desktop version ) It's a lot of work because I need to apply the brand guidelines to the wireframes, read and understand the brief and other docs. I don't feel like this kind of test is the best way to choose a designer and I have to put food on the table, also I need to design a proposal and calculate hours required to design each page + a lot of headaches ( Approx. 3 days worth of work ) I have free time but I don't like working for free, on the other hand there…
@YoussefS. 3 days worth sounds rather close to "asking for free work" rather than an interview test, especially with your reference to brand guidelines
@YoussefS. personally, unless I was really desperate for the job I'd be running very quickly in the other direction
@YoussefS. Tell them that the amount of work is more than you'd consider applicable to a "technical interview" (which this is). So you're willing to do it, but as a piece of (discounted) contract work, not for free.
I remember once one colleague told me about the "master servant" mentality
I had a role of scrum master back then and he told me "your role is to make your team a success. If you have to prepare coffee and bring it to them to achieve success, you do it"
The answer was : "this is the only way we can assess potential design for this job, how else would we pick and choose a partner if we don’t see anything? Especially in your case, I’m surprised at your reaction given that your portfolio is quite limited and you were not able to provide solid references
@YoussefS. Tell them that if they want you to do actual work to demonstrate you can do the job, that's completely understandable, but since it's actual work, you won't do it for free.
@JavaGuru I went from Intern to Analyst to Senior Analyst to having my own intern in 3 years flat. And I did it by cultivating a reputation of consistently getting things done. Quickly, efficiently and without complaint. Not exactly a "terrible" outcome. — Kaz14 secs ago
Alright, if I get any more involved in that conversation, somebody please stop me.
@YoussefS. "We want 3 days of contract work for free and then ditch you, we've been doing this for a while and it's always worked, why won't you donate us some free work?!"
@Magisch I was just at a port yesterday where they were talking about some of the longshoremen not wanting to do things, and whining. I don't get it. If I'm being paid, I'll do what I'm asked (unless it's illegal, immoral, unethical, dangerous, or fattening)
@Kaz I'm with you... I believe that "showing willing" and just getting on with things has been a key part of my career "success" and I've had direct feedback from multiple senior managers over the years that suggests I'm right in that belief
@Magisch you got that right. Nothing irritates management more than whining and the *not my job" attitude. It means that they can't count on you during crunch time.
@RichardU Yep. I'm barely management at this point, but the one thing about my intern that I love is that I tell him what I need, and he Just. Does. It.
Ok guys, thanks for your replies. This job is definitely not for me. It becomes so ridiculous. He keep sayin "It might sound like an unusual process for a freelancer but it is very common in the agency world.. We’re not asking for a full blown concepts ... but more of ‘something’ to show what concepts you would suggest ..blabla .. creative thinking and ability to work from our brief"
@angarg12 I asked this question an they say: once we are officially live we can cancel the NDA and consider authorizing you to release the work you have done on your website as a case study.
Hmm... I'm a little under the weather and frankly more than a little grumpy today, I may have to stop myself from posting answers to questions before someone mistakes me for @RichardU
@motosubatsu ROFL! I have elevated grumpy to the level of an art form. But, the almighty has a sense of humor. My #2 rated answer ends with "go to HR". I may never live down the shame.
@YoussefS. it happens to all of us. a friend of mine walked out of an interview because they were trying to get free consulting out of him during the interview. VERY big company too.
@SaggingRufus Yeah like I said those answers are useful, but it's problematic to keep open in its present state. Some people are seeing this as a sort of XY problem: "Q: I'm trying to do X >> A: Here's why you shouldn't do X". And others think the general "How does HR or a hiring copmany check for liars or inflated experience?". And with the way this was worded both types of answer didn't really fit the question. I think this should perhaps be discussed on meta. — Lilienthal ♦36 secs ago
As said this should probably be moved to meta so we can decide on how to deal with this and what to turn it into.
Perhaps an edit to "Should I try to expose this person as a liar?" would be enough to fix it and validate the current answers (and presumably your unposted one).
@RichardU It is very subtle, but I have been in a similar situation. I was interviewing for a big company that just set up a new division in my expertise field, and once we started discussing they asked for advice
but to be honest, if I can give some tips in a 15 minutes conversation with no details whatsoever, it doesn't sound like something that would be worth to get paid for ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@angarg12 15 mins of advice for free is fine in my book - you're demonstrating your skill/knowledge and potential worth. 3 days on the other hand is a pisstake
@angarg12 That really motivates the people too. When the head of the road department is out there plowing the roads along with the men, anyone trying to cry "not my job" looks like a big baby
Something that stuck with me from my very first job: It was in a pub kitchen. It was a weekend lunchtime. We were *rammed*. The kitchen was all hands on deck. Every station was full, there was barely room to turn around with all the people. There was nobody left to work PotWash. So our Pub Manager comes in and spends 3 hours washing dishes while we get food out the door.
@Kaz Yep. That is the true job of management: To remove obstacles that impede the completion of the job. In that case, the dirty dishes was the obstacle, and he proved that no job was beneath him. I bet he never heard "not my job" from anyone, eh?
@angarg12 there are times I get coffee for our receptionist.
@Kaz I must mention that scones are still scones- but like, instead of getting donuts for the workplace (which seems to be the norm everywhere else in the world), we get scones. Or bread. I'm celiac so I can't eat either. :(
@RichardU And yes- Ireland definitely has a few quirks to it!
do you think it depends what level you're at? Like would the answer be different for someone doing an internship in the last years of school, vs as an undergrad, vs in the middle of a PhD? Or someone older with experience in another field who's doing an internship to try to change careers?
@LangeHaare I think it's a good idea to always be ready to do the dirtywork. at lower levels it shows you're going to do the job, at higher levels, it shows you don't think you're above your people.
@Magisch I'm not going to reopen it in its present state. It got one reopen vote that sent it to review where it got a pretty clear 3 LeaveClosed votes. Like I said, rephrasing part of it to focus more on "Should I?" than "How do I?" is probably enough to make this on-topic and answerable.
@RichardU I broadly agree, but also think it depends what you're doing the internship for, what you want to get out of it etc
@RichardU Although to be honest in this particular case I definitely think you're right... I was thinking more like if all they gave you was this kind of menial work
@LangeHaare If all they give you is menial tasks, do them and try to find out why, I'd say. Sometimes there's just no work, others they may not have confidence in you. Do the work no matter what the reason, and tackle the why as a separate issue
He is in a very big position in the company, but me and my colleagues know he is fake because he doesn't have the basic technical knowledge of our industry, while his LinkedIn page shows that he held a lot of technical positions in many big companies worldwide, which is absolutely against logic.
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Back when I was an intern, the CEO came in one day, realised that he'd left his briefcase at a hotel in London the night before, gave me £40 for the train and the rest of the day off and asked me to go and pick it up.
Definitely not in my job description, definitely not something I'm about to say no to either.
Is the workplace a medium to ask whether or not "How to draft an Asset Map for an Organization" type question? After reading the help FAQ, I get the feeling that it would be off-topic but at the same time, drafting quality asset maps would be an essential function of an organization's ability to make decisions and assess its capabilities. On the other hand, answers would be quite opinion-based and hence, the question liable to closure.
@FrankFYC IMHO, it should be ok. We have had plenty of answers here explaining answers to software problems and other IT issues. Unfortunately though, this site pretends to look the other way when IT questions are involved, and have a much stricter interpretation of off-topic for non-IT workplaces.
Just looked at the Project Management SE and it would fit their SE more closely than Workplace.
Although the foot traffic for workplace SE > project management SE, it must be that the latter is too specialized for a larger audience (of whom I am trying to tap into the collective knowledge of).
I'll ask there first and see for a couple of days the replies, if there isn't much, I'll reach out to a mod on Workplace to post here and toe the line of off-topic / on-topic.
Today, I recommended we move £5M of client assets from one fund to some different funds, and our CIO reviewed it and said that was fine. I don't feel anywhere near responsible enough to have my recommendations trusted like that.
I have to recode 1/3 of a tool I have been working on for a year. The good news is that the reason for the recoding is that corporate finally figured out how to derive the data I need, relieving me of the chore, and more importantly, the responsibility.
@enderland 113 repcaps. Cranky old man posts must be popular.
@enderland Ah yes, I always use that anecdote when describing algo-trading to people. "They updated their code, rolled it out, but missed one single server. This oversight caused the system to start throwing away $1M per second until they noticed and shut it down."
This is also why you should automate your deployment system ^^
So many things went wrong in that chain of events, it really is a wonderful case study in how not to operate.
From the code itself to the deployment to the monitoring, to the lack of a big red button they could push to shut the whole system down.
This is partially related to the issue that dislike of certain groups of individuals had long roots in Europe (such as exemplified by this article).
Anyway, I was looking at this other question which asks how Hitler could possibly have had his own militia already in 1923.
That other question ha...
This is regards to music.stackexchange.com
It is my fault that I didn't read the rules carefully about sharing links. I didn't know that I was supposed to fully disclose my association with the company I am working for (eg. So my colleague wrote this article about practice tips/made this video ...
