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1:33 AM
@enderland It doesn't (unfortunately). Unless you have the question link lying around, you probably can't find it. The mods may be able to though, so flagging it would be a good idea.
 
 
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3:16 AM
Hi All
I would like to post below question in WPSE
How to from trust on my management and Organization?

I am from India and I am working in USA on H1B VISA. I have recently joined in Consulting firm. And I was placed at client location. Every thing is going to fine so far now. The below are the few important points which are very much required to understand my question

(1) I got heard many negative things, shady practices and fishy things that consulting firms do
(2) After I have been selected in their Interview they didn’t send offer letter directly. They placed me across their client interviews and once I got selected then only they Con
I am slightly afraid this question might attract downvotes
Hence I would like to ask your opinions and suggestions
Please help
 
 
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6:22 AM
we're getting close to graduation. About 200 questions left to 3K, this is going to take only a month or two. What site logo do we want, water cooler?
Also, be prepared to lowered non-beta privileges. Which means we will probably need more moderators
 
6:46 AM
Good point.
I gave 500 rep to jcmeloni dropping me under 10k. Should make it in a month
 
7:04 AM
@jmac IIRC at Programmers I've been oscillating around 10K for 2 or 3 weeks, it just somehow happened that there were bounty-worthy answers posted at that time. Felt funny
free spam flags - workplace.stackexchange.com/a/18526/168 "I'd like to give a plug to my website..." - and I don't like to get that friggin' plug instead of an answer
 
We definitely need more mods, but I don't know if we have that many great candidates who are in to the moderation thing. @RhysW would have been a great choice, but now he's too busy.
@gnat That's a good question. We had a discussion long ago about it, but nothing really came of it. I think that a water cooler is very American-centric?
Would love everyone to take a look (and then participate) in this:
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Q: Cleaning Up Bad Answers on Popular Questions

jmacBack in May 2012, Rarity asked about how we should deal with bad or "me too" answers: Do we need a policy on bad/"me too" answers? More recently, bad deleted posts pushed one of enderland's questions in to CW mode causing much gnashing of teeth: Un-community wiki this question? When questions...

@Rachel, could you write a query for the above community task that takes a question ID as an input parameter, and returns a nice table showing a [Post Link] to each answer, the score, and the creationdate? I want to be able to give people the answers in chronological order so they can see who said whatever good point first, and save myself some headaches in gathering all that data each week (I'd just do it by hand). It'd be a huge help!
 
7:32 AM
Ignore that @Rachel, looks like I'm not as bad at this as I thought.
 
 
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8:38 AM
@jmac Was too busy, My appearances in the SE network are getting back to being more regular, took me a while to find my balance! haha
 
@RhysW Do you have the hunger? The drive? The desire to be a moderator? "With great power comes great responsibility. And a diamond."
 
The hunger? Well i havent had breakfast yet, so i guess i am pretty hungry!
 
but seriously though, are you interested in it?
I'm just trying to think of people who are very committed to the moderation portion of the site. You did all those retags so you pop in to mind.
 
I would be interested yeah, it wouldn't overlap in terms of scope with the other site i moderate, it's relevant to what I do, and it has a community that i love being a part of. Though I would like to perhaps take a more active role
 
You're a moderator elsewhere?
 
8:49 AM
I am indeed
Astronomy
 
Ah, okay. Much less...problematic...I'd assume
 
Its still a baby site, growing slowly but surely though
 
Anyway, I think you'd make a good mod, glad you're back, and hope you ramp up that participation!"
 
I'm glad im back too, i might even be back with some questions this time
 
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A: What should our logo and site design look like?

gnatHandshake for a logo, like this: Or water cooler, like this:

 
8:53 AM
We can't let @CMW and @Hugo occupy the water cooler without the quips and insights of the one and only RhysW!
 
 
Talk about overused!
(no offense intended @gnat, I just hate those stock images)
 
@jmac I cant say ive ever seen that image before!
 
Not that one, but the handshake concept drives me bonkers.
Especially the inter-racial handshake which is somehow more cringeworthy
"We're going to one-up your middle-aged white man handshake with an interracial middle-aged man handshake!"
 
@jmac Jin will make SE-style image anyway, all graduated sites use custom made logos
sort of a brand consistency
 
8:56 AM
I feel bad for being so, errr, untactful with my distaste for said logo concept (hand shaking). Really didn't mean to make it come out as harsh as it did
 
Haha i know what you mean
there is an unequal push for equality
the irony is tangible
 
I've seen lots of more recent stock images using two non-white people handshaking. And sometimes one is a woman!
Now if that doesn't say, "My company stands for tolerance and equal opportunity" what does?
 
I'm still yet to see a stock image where they arent smiling with their jobs
the reality is more likely that they are grumpy
 
@jmac no! I know you were meant to be snarky and rude!!! I spent whole 50 seconds entering "hand shake icon" in Google and picking first that came up and now you are trashing my hard work :)
 
Oh dear, I had better start a question, "What do you do when you were mean and snarky and rude to a colleague's lack of taste?"
 
CMW
8:58 AM
@jmac It's good, RhysW is back, then ;-)
 
@jmac that would jump at the top of hot list in a matter of minutes and stay there for weeks
 
I'm trying to figure out what would be a good logo for us. I really really really really like the entire design of Travel
 
Just not a watercooler
please not a watercooler
 
I love the corkboard idea, for the community bulletin
 
CMW
What about a stylized office chair?
 
8:59 AM
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Q: Alternative ideas for a logo for the graduated site

hippietrailI think it's safe to say that more of us were more happy with Jin's first presentation of our site's logo and style than the second attempt. The new abstract logo based on several superimposed pushpin graphics at varying angles isn't growing on some of us. So I'd like to revisit our old questio...

 
and I think a classy leather portfolio (possibly with legal paper in it) would make a decent background if understated enough
 
CMW
(I really can't draw one, though)
 
I don't think an office chair is a good idea because I don't want people to assume we only cover ofices.
 
Not all workplaces involve chairs, or leather portfolios, i think we should go for something universal
 
CMW
I assume for a lot of people that would be a clear association to the workplace
 
9:00 AM
i.e we dont want to discourage questions from poeple who dont work in an office
truckers, bus drivers, pre-school teachers
 
CMW
I'm not sure there is that one thing that's common to all work places
 
builders, plumbers
 
Yeah, it may be interesting to get a logo of people in various uniforms.
 
CMW
except maybe underpants
I hope it's underpants
 
a paycheck :L
 
9:01 AM
So a suit, a doctor's outfit, work clothes, etc.
Yeah, I was thinking a paycheck or a time card.
But I don't know about that.
 
@jmac yes! and they should be different ethnicities and genders and should be smiling and shaking hands
 
CMW
@RhysW Standing in a circle, holding hands, birds-eye view
 
@CMW your vote goes here (keep in mind, Jin will make a custom image, what's there is only a raw demo):
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A: What should our logo and site design look like?

Dipan MehtaI think when i think of workplace -i think of the "office chair" - It of course the most critical element for us to function in the office; but sometimes "Chair" is also extended with Connotations of "Position" in the hierarchy in the company. The bigger the chair you have - the more influent...

 
CMW
(hello ubuntu)
 
What about a punch clock?
 
9:02 AM
Those still exist?
 
No, apparently they are now electronic.
 
Thats like using a 3.5" floppy as the logo for a computing site
a bit outdated :P
 
I prefer the term 'retro' young'un!
(then again I want to have watches for badges since in the past workers were given golden watches upon retirement)
 
 
That one I like better than the shaking hands, but I think we can do betterer.
 
9:04 AM
@gnat I do quite like this
but i dont think we would want to be associated just with money
 
@RhysW don't tell @jmac, it's a stock icon
 
(plus a generic unicorn bill would be way cooler as payment)
 
@RhysW pick a weaker currency then?
 
haha
 
CMW
What currency do the seychelles have?
Let's use that. They're communist, too.
 
9:07 AM
What about a logo like the Japanese exit sign, only with a smile and a clock showing 5pm?
Because let's face it, the goal of being at work is to leave.
Then again, that could encourage "just quit"
 
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Q: Being More Aggressive about "Just Quit" Comments/Answers

jmacWe have had a discussion in the past about whether or not 'Quit Your Job' is an acceptable answer. I have been noticing this in comments quite a bit. This is the one that caught my attention spurring this post, but since I can't search comment text, it isn't easy to find additional examples: ...

 
A picture of someone climbing the corporate ladder
 
Mr. "Let's not exclude non-office workers"
 
people outside of offices get promotions too
 
You want to exclude people working in flat structured offices?
 
CMW
9:08 AM
underpants. really.
 
@jmac damn you! i think youv bested me
 
What about some stylized image of a clock ticking down 8 hours. I know not everyone is 8 hours. And I know that not everyone is 9-5. But just show that this is about those hours of the day
Like grey hand with some sort of motion blur going from the 9 to the 5.
Possibly contained with the O of a nicely fonted and kerned Workplace
 
CMW
@jmac An hourglass, maybe?
 
@CMW I believe you mean an eight-hourglass
(I'm here all week folks)
 
@jmac that was..i might just leave again because of this :P
 
CMW
9:14 AM
@RhysW lol.
@jmac or maybe eight hourglasses
in a circle, shaking hands, dressed up as doctors, factory workers, in suits, sweatpants, hoddies
 
How about an ever-updating snapshot of the front page of a random page in the SE network?
That's what work is for, right?
 
9:27 AM
Last suggestion before quitting time: a logo showing various workplaces. Put a hospital next to an office building next to a school next to a factory in some sort of stylish fashion. But not stylish enough to confuse us for architechts.se
 
CMW
How would a Logo relate to the favicon of the page?
Just concerned that too much detail might make it hard to turn into an icon
 
We could always mimic Wikipedia's trade union icon:
 
@jmac workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/18531/… The guy here still doesnt understand what you mean
 
10:10 AM
today's hot question at SO. Looks like a lot of stuff worth voting up there :)
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Q: Template function that returns default constructed value

hankI have a function that returns default constructed value of template type: template<typename T> T do_stuff() { return T(); } I use it like this: int main(int argc, char** argv) { std::string str("hello"); int a = 10; int *p = &a; str = do_stuff<std::string>(); a = do_...

Chatting various ideas of site logo at Wate Cooler

1 hour ago, 42 minutes total – 99 messages, 4 users, 6 stars

Bookmarked 25 secs ago by gnat

 
10:36 AM
@jmac can i steal your opinion on something please
 
11:16 AM
Hey.
 
Hello
 
Just got the 13th rejection of my summer internship hunt. I totally thought I was gonna get an offer after about 4.5 hours of interviewing with them. Good times.
 
Ouch, 13th rejection? doesnt sound fun
 
Yep, but out of 51 places. 38 still haven't gotten back to me.
 
Good morning folks.
 
11:20 AM
I won't let negative thoughts get to me though. If need be, I'll wait and apply to fall internships.
Morning!
 
What are you trying to intern as? if you dont mind my asking
 
Software engineer.
 
@Chase Thats a good trait to have, hold on to that one!
 
:)
I Agree with RhysW! :D
 
@HugoRocha Hey there Hugo, morning to you!
 
11:21 AM
Yeah, definitely. I'm lucky to be fairly decent at one of the most lucrative careers out there.
 
Also, i can't open the chat to the logo ideas, but i vote for a judge helmet!
i mean
Nvm that
:)
Hey Chase, keep your spirits high! The best is yet to come!
:D
 
@Chase Being passionate is also a good thing to hold on to. You inevitably produce better results when you are passionate about what the results are
 
Thanks for the good thoughts. People are telling me that most places haven't even looked at applications yet.
 
Depending on where you are that could very well be true, I got lucky with my apprenticeship and didnt have to worry too much
 
US -- mostly Oregon, Washington, and California.
 
11:24 AM
Ahh im in the Uk, so very different experiences
 
California! Silicon and Synapsis :D
AKA Blizzard :D
 
Yep. The crazy high cost of living kind of makes me want to stay away though.
Most places in the Valley are like 5 times the typical rent of my little college town.
 
o_o
still cheaper than Brazil!
:D
 
Hey, it's never too early to start saving for retirement!
 
I'm already paying my retirement
lol
(i got 22)
(years old, that is)
 
11:28 AM
Started paying into my retirement fund at age 17, and have very little costs of living, woohoo saving :D
 
woooooooooooooo \o\
The saving train baby! WOOOooooooooH!
:) Now, enough chat for me, gotta go fast
 
ok cya later sonic
 
And with that, I mean off i go to encapsulate my code. Bye for now!
Someone picked it up :D
nice one RhysW
 
11:57 AM
this user ("NewBoss") bombs site with questions from at least 3 different accounts, this starts looking like abuse!
http://workplace.stackexchange.com/users/13670/newboss
http://workplace.stackexchange.com/users/14197/newboss
http://workplace.stackexchange.com/users/14211/newboss
 
@gnat Yeah, will get a mod to merge them
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he isnt aware that he is creating a new one each time under the same name
 
@RhysW I just flagged one of their questions referring to above
 
but merging still needs done :L
 
Spoke to some mods, seems like he is losing cookies between sessions rather than intentional malice, time to go poke him and tell him he can register :L
@gnat hopefully he pays attention to the message now!
 
12:13 PM
@RhysW What's up?
 
http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/18393/5305

This is getting lots of positive attention and upvotes, but im not sure if it counts as an answer, he doesnt answer the question as it stands on ethics, just what he does as a ceo, your thoughts?
 
@RhysW I downvoted it a while ago.
Yesterday in fact.
It isn't a good answer.
 
Flagged as not an answer, but its being rejected, just wondered if i was missing something obvious!
also workplace.stackexchange.com/a/18526/5305 delete votes please :L
this one is blatantly spam
 
That got flagged as spam too
We are WAY behind on cleanup
because of the slew of hot questions
we will get there.
 
well, better get started then :D
 
12:17 PM
Plan to (eventually).
See new meta post:
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Q: Cleaning Up Bad Answers on Popular Questions

jmacBack in May 2012, Rarity asked about how we should deal with bad or "me too" answers: Do we need a policy on bad/"me too" answers? More recently, bad deleted posts pushed one of enderland's questions in to CW mode causing much gnashing of teeth: Un-community wiki this question? When questions...

 
Voted, commented, started :D
@jmac maybe have a link to the 'what makes a good answer' question (im sure we have one) to make it easier for poeple to judge what is good and what isnt?
 
12:44 PM
@RhysW I dunno, this probably grew a bit too big for chat / flags, I'll probably open meta question to help sort it out. 4 accounts, 5 questions - only those I noticed, there may be more
 
@gnat Hopefully he now registers an account, then its as simple as a request to have it merged with the others. The community is doing a good job of downvoting and closing the duplicating questions. Aside from what we are currently doing there isnt any more within the imits of SE that we can do at the moment I wouldn't have thought
I don't think even mods can merge multiple unregistered accounts
 
@RhysW well I plan to just shoot support request and let them find it out. If it turns out technically impossible / too much trouble, so be it. By the way I once helped my ex-colleague to merge their unregistered account into registered one at SO
 
yeah unregistered into registered is easy enough, but i dont think unregistered into unregistered works. But yeah, either way a support request might be a good idea. As if he doesnt make the account we don't want all this mess lingering (Though community is actively stemming it)
 
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Q: One user seem to be posting from (at least) four accounts, please help to sort it out

gnatIt looks like an (unexperienced?) user creates new account each time they loose prior one. Accounts that seem to be their are: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/users/13670/newboss http://workplace.stackexchange.com/users/14140/newboss http://workplace.stackexchange.com/users/14197/newboss htt...

 
Will just throw a bit of extra info on there
 
12:54 PM
meanwhile, this SO question seem to be getting hotter and hotter. Few more upvotes and it may even hop higher than our question in the hot list... :)
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Q: Template function that returns default constructed value

hankI have a function that returns default constructed value of template type: template<typename T> T do_stuff() { return T(); } I use it like this: int main(int argc, char** argv) { std::string str("hello"); int a = 10; int *p = &a; str = do_stuff<std::string>(); a = do_...

 
a do_stuff() method?! I love those!
 
@RhysW yeah! let's do stuff!
 
what? Did somebody say... do_stuff(stuff)?
 
1:36 PM
@HugoRocha Somebody certainly did!
 
2:01 PM
oh but... do stuff is a workplace function, this question should be migrated here!
 
CMW
Or we could include the module Workplace there, making the function available to them ;-)
 
Workplacers, is this on topic for you?
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Q: Liability for company development equipment

Pierre RymiortzI'm two months into a job as a software developer, building mobile apps. I received a new desktop a few days ago, value around US$1K. Today the company asked me to sign an 'Asset Lending Agreement' (I haven't signed yet). The agreement states that I should compensate the company in case the deskt...

Scratch that, someone already sent it over. If you don't like it, just vote to close it and it will come back to us.
 
2:20 PM
@gnat site logo:
user image
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@YannisRizos Yannis! Hey there
 
3:01 PM
I wish i could see that logo :|||
 
lol
 
sad facez
:\
 
 
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5:07 PM
another popular SO question, lots of stuff worth voting up...
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Q: String Format descriptive text

thumbmunkeysIs it possible to add some descriptive text to a string format specifier? Example: string.Format ("{0:ForeName} is not at home", person.ForeName); In the example ForeName is added as description. The above syntax is obviously incorrect, but just to show the idea. The reason I am asking, ...

 
5:43 PM
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Q: How can I get a sense of how management treats their staff before joining a company?

blazerrI've experienced future managers acting professionally and courteously while trying to recruit me, then turning out to be abrasive and unprofessional after joining. I gather this is quite common. How can I improve my judgement, and better discern how managers will behave before I join a company?

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Q: How to determine in an interview if people enjoy working for the company or the work they do?

ArnakesterWhen I started working for my former employer, my managers told me what a bad company we were working for. Other people told me that we use very poor tools to do our job and that the company doesn't really care about us. At the very least I found this demoralizing. A friend recommended to ask d...

my answers to both these are the same
are they dups?
 
6:01 PM
I think so
 
6:25 PM
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A: How to reword question on ethics to be "not opinion based"

ChadAsking us to answer with a moral Judgement on any activity or policy is going to be opinion based, because that is what you are asking for. For this reason asking about the ethics of something is almost always off topic here because it is asking for a moral judgement on something. Some potentia...

Anyone else feel like chiming in... or kicking this guy in the ribs... or holding him while I do?
 
6:44 PM
holy crap we've had a lot of trending questions the past week
 
@Chad :) I will say no references on Dredd or whatsoever. But hey, it was a bad move to point to that other question as... a excuse for making the same kind of mistake
 
7:42 PM
@enderland let's make coming week trending at SO! they've got 5x more mods than us and hundreds times more 10-20Kers to keep things under control
 
Hello hello
 
you've got 10 answers (firehose of information) => this essentially blocks any substantial edits of the question. Answers are considered more important than questions at Stack Exchange, one has to provide very strong justification to do invalidating edits of the question... and no I just wanna reopen doesn't qualify — gnat 17 secs ago
 
8:06 PM
hot list lemmings are invading this question, consider protecting it...
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Q: How can I get a sense of how management treats their staff before joining a company?

blazerrI've experienced future managers acting professionally and courteously while trying to recruit me, then turning out to be abrasive and unprofessional after joining. I gather this is quite common. How can I improve my judgement, and better discern how managers will behave before I join a company?

 
@gnat well caught, protected
 
but but but think of the rep!
 
rep, rep...
"Oh yes, Reputation. We have dismissed that clain."
who needs rep after all? grumble grumble
 
8:24 PM
@enderland that's just what I'm thinking of - dozen lemmings will turn it CW and there will be no rep. You know I wouldn't mind if it was CWed for "highly collaborative" reasons but... lemmings have nothing to do with collaboration, they only fart their worthless opinions into the open air where possible
@JimG. as with any kind of CW, it is to unlock free rating of highly collaborative content (lots of answers => highly collaborative) - that is, to make answers downvoting free. Code Golf are lucky in a sense that they have objective criteria to simply delete negative content (code that doesn't work), no other sites have that strong kind of protection, they have to rely on answers voting to rate stuff — gnat yesterday
 
@gnat nah i'm sure if my answer is good enough I could hit some of the rep @Jmac has picked up recently :D
 
@enderland if it's good enough (as far as I can tell it is), you'll get it without hot list broken magic
...magic indeed - I vote up a question and 20 minutes later it pops up in the list. Something has to be broken over there...
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Q: How do both of these function pointer calling syntax variations work?

Eran MedanI'm relatively new to C, and found it intriguing that both of the following calls to the function pointer compile and work fine. One with and one without dereferencing the function pointer before calling it. #include <stdio.h> #include <stdlib.h> void func() { puts("I'm a func"); } int mai...

 
8:40 PM
@gnat in this case most of the answers that would be invalidated are bad answers anyway
@jmac well said !
 
 
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9:59 PM
did they ask about:
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Q: Liability for company development equipment

Pierre RymiortzI'm two months into a job as a software developer, building mobile apps. I received a new desktop a few days ago, value around US$1K. Today the company asked me to sign an 'Asset Lending Agreement' (I haven't signed yet). The agreement states that I should compensate the company in case the deskt...

if not can we please migrate some of the crap we have right now at them
 
 
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11:29 PM
@Chad Thanks! Was I chatting in my sleep? I don't think I said much at 5:40am!
@RhysW Our "what makes a good answer" section is pretty bad actually. Take a look yourself.
@enderland I got 600 rep from that answer in a couple days. It was absurd (and quite stupid really). I hate how hot questions make people think that the high vote totals are indicative of answer quality rather than question popularity which has a bigger impact.
(not to pick on anyone in particular and belittle their other contributions, but does this answer really merit 137 upvotes, when our most helpful answer only has 43?)
 

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