Minecraft Talk

fredley

13:34

Are we resetting to Unleashed?

Kevin van der Velden

I dont know

fredley

@KevinvanderVelden I think it's a conversation that ought to happen

Unleashed looks cool, and has no Greg

Kevin van der Velden

Which I'm beginning to view as a downside (for versions of greg before he went insane and started nerfing planks)

fredley

@KevinvanderVelden Oh dear, you've been taken

Kevin van der Velden

Maybe ^^

I really like the quantum tank, and the fusion reactor is pretty damn cool

Also centrifuging ALL THE THINGS

fredley

13:40

@KevinvanderVelden Bah

Martin Sojka

@KevinvanderVelden ... nerfing planks? How? :D

fredley

Stupid plate bending machine

Kevin van der Velden

@MartinSojka Log -> plank is now 2 planks rather than one

imgur.com/BDimzyF

Martin Sojka

Rather than four, you mean ...

fredley

This is real.

Kevin van der Velden

13:41

@fredley Haha! I was first

fredley

@KevinvanderVelden You didn't embed image, so you lose

Kevin van der Velden

and yes @MartinSojka rather than 4, sorry :)

Hmm editing it didn't work =p

You win this round porkchop!

Martin Sojka

Wow. Crazy, indeed. It's an iron axe. I could make one with a few stones to bash a bunch of iron in shape, a sturdy tree trunk and a lot of patience if I really needed to.

Kevin van der Velden

And thats not to mention the drama with the tinkers construct mod, which undid the nerf, so greg added crashing code

(Slightly longer and slightly more nuanced, but if you add crashing code you lose automatically)

M'vy

unleashed? what's that?

Kevin van der Velden

13:48

New 1.5 modpack

M'vy

oooh

Kevin van der Velden

Or 1.6 maybe, not sure

M'vy

1.5.2

Martin Sojka

1.6 would be unlikely, most "interesting" mods still didn't update or have only "beta" versions.

Thankfully, you can disable most GregTech shenanigans, right?

Kevin van der Velden

@MartinSojka most, but it's irrelevant, GT is not in unleashed (it's in the unhinged modpack)

M'vy

13:52

@KevinvanderVelden I don't see the pack in the list BTW

Kevin van der Velden

@M'vy it's in beta so it is a private pack, feed-the-beast.com/disclaimer.php

M'vy

oh

Jochem

@KevinvanderVelden I like "Unhinged" as a name for a pack with Greg in it, who clearly has come slightly unhinged...

I started a Unleashed SSP world yesterday, it's quite novel so far, can't wait to try out my TC Smeltery later

Kevin van der Velden

@Jochem it is indeed the perfect name for it :)

Jochem

I honestly didn't mind gregtech, but his recent behavior kinda kills it for me :/

Kevin van der Velden

13:58

Yeah =[

I kinda want to learn minecraft modding so I can help some of the efforts to build a replacement xp

Jochem

it's not even the nerfs of vanilla stuff that do it for me, it's his attitude and the fact that because of his massive ego, the unhinged pack has less than half the mods of the Unleashed pack

heh, I hear minecraft's code is a prime example of spaghetti code, so I'm not really going to bother with that <_<

Kevin van der Velden

@Jochem jeaaah, its pretty damn bad, I looked at it a bit

Jochem

Maybe if they ever implement that promised modding API, I'll take a look...

Kevin van der Velden

Heh, I doubt they even should, forge is fine for modding.

What I would like is if they officially implemented a modloader with autoupdating and the like.

Just accept that they've long since missed the opportunity to define the modding API and just make something to help the players

M'vy

They could also release the source code for what it's worth now

Martin Sojka

14:04

Speaking of mod coding, looks like the Forge guys added an OBJ model loader ...

Kevin van der Velden

Hmmm, I dont know if that's really needed at this point, new code is obfuscated with a day or 2 and it's already automated pretty much completely.

Martin Sojka

Courtesy of Pahimar (of EE3 fame), too. That guy is awesome.

Kevin van der Velden

@MartinSojka jeah, suddenly a lot of technically impressive things in minecraft don't look all that impressive anymore =p

Martin Sojka

Right now, MineCraft's obfuscation is purely for the purpose of shrinking down the binary size (Java's file format is extremely wasteful with space).

Kevin van der Velden

@MartinSojka really? I'd be surprised if it made that big a difference. Compared to the texures and sounds a few bytes per variable shouldn't matter much.

But I dont know much about java (slept through the classes in school, got 10/10, forgot all about it)

Martin Sojka

14:15

@KevinvanderVelden Something like 10-20% depending on the length of the names of your class files (which get referenced in full every time they are needed, like in method arguments and return values).

Kevin van der Velden

@MartinSojka o.o that could safe quite a bit

Martin Sojka

... and that includes the full names of the packages too.

Kevin van der Velden

@MartinSojka seriously... f-ing java >.>

Martin Sojka

Java was designed by people who decided that RAM, disk space or network speed are essentially infinite, and it shows.

Kevin van der Velden

Jup, but for ram that's basically any system that has GC

Martin Sojka

14:25

Assuming several separate GCs will play nicely with each other and clean up when the other one needs some space is delusional at best. Doubly so when designing for 32 bit systems with their more-than-2GB-RAM addressing problems, like the Java designers were.

Jochem

I like how this channel can go from "we should potentially discuss a minecraft server reset" to the intricate details of Java memory management in 15 minutes flat :D

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Kevin van der Velden

Hey, the bridge is currently talking about mcdonalds hamburgers, this is at least tangentially related =p

Noohs, xeno's reliquary is disabled in unleashed =[

Jochem

I turned it back on, I love that mod

especially cause he's going to be taking over and potentially integrating soul shards :o

Kevin van der Velden

Uhhuh, that mod is so cool

Though I just use it for the GT fusion reactor... and masses of redstone.

Jochem

don't forget the coin of fortune

Kevin van der Velden

14:32

OOOOh YES!

Jochem

I also turned on BoP, which is also kinda cool

Kevin van der Velden

Most important item EVER

Jochem

I also use the handgun for rain-control

and the lilypad of fertility of course

Kevin van der Velden

Oh yeah.. that's how I got 5M sugar cane

Jochem

and the destruction catalyst, though that'll likely be replaced by the excavator / hammer from TC

Kevin van der Velden

14:35

@Jochem meh, never really used the destruction catalyst

Jochem

oh man, now I don't know what to play tonight :/ new-to-me minecraft or the brand new KSP version :o

Kevin van der Velden

Used it to clear out 1 small room or so but I found my powertool better for it

Play KSP! If we reset then it'll be newer for you :)

Jochem

true...

Kevin van der Velden

14:57

Time to go, BBQ with friends :D

Cya guys :)

Coronus

15:54

@fredley I like Greg!

So, wait, what's going on, are we talking server refresh?

gnovice

16:14

Server refresh?! sticks fingers in ears LALALALALALALALALALA....

user43095

19:58

Nevermind, stupid idea.

user43095

Anyway, I have an ultimate server. I can reach the internal IP, local host, but not the external IP. Port Forwarding is configured properly. What's wrong?

Jochem

can you reach the internal ip from a different pc?

in the same network that is?

Coronus

@Jochem This should work.

Jochem

@Coronus if it does, it's likely portforwarding (or unlikely but still possible the windows firewall). if it doesn't, it's the windows firewall

Coronus

So everything's configured on your computer to accept connections, I'll have to assume port forwarding is set up right. Do you know if your provider blocks the ports you want?

@Jochem Wouldn't Windows firewall block the request using the IP even if it's the same computer?

Jochem

20:05

@Coronus depends on the settings

if it's set to public network, you should still be able to access your own local IP, but you wouldn't be able to across the network from another pc

Coronus

My assumption is that it would treat the request as if it was from another machine, if relying on the router to locate the server.

Jochem

it wouldn't ever leave the PC though, it won't route traffic for it's own IP to the default gateway

Coronus

Oh, I see, so even though it has to go somewhat further up the stack, it may not leave the machine.

Or does it alias the current assigned IP as localhost?

I'm not a network guy at all, so don't mind me. :P

Jochem

afaik, it would get just as far as traffic for 127.0.0.1, I'm pretty sure that's "just an IP" except for the convention of assigning it to localhost

I'm kinda a part-time network guy myself, haven't done much with it lately

M'vy

20:22

127.0.0.1 is accessible only on the computer

if you want to access it from another you need the ethernet address.

Jochem

@M'vy I know, we're talking network traffic from localhost to own local LAN IP

M'vy

If the computer is listening to 127.0.0.1, you would need port forwarding for other compters

Coronus

@M'vy we're talking router-assigned (e.g. 192.168.*.*)

@KevinvanderVelden How was the BBQ?

Kevin van der Velden

@Coronus good food :) good company :)

And I cant be stealthy at all can I =p

M'vy

21:15

@Coronus not sure I'm following

Oh I see

I missed a line

my bad

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