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Undo

00:00

I think your commitment gets fulfilled when you ask or answer ten questions, period. No time limit.

HDE 226868

@Undo Sounds weird. There hasn't been a beta badge awarded on Worldbuilding since September29.

Undo

No

HDE 226868

The odds against that are staggering.

Undo

I don't know how Area 51 works :P

Zizouz212

Hmmm

Found him

Unihedron, Earth, Alpha Centauri

574 2 23

Undo

00:00

@Zizouz212 I count 7

Still <10, though

Zizouz212

7 answers, one question, 67 votes cast as of now

HDE 226868

I got beta badge on Open Source with only nine posts. I posted the 10th the day after.

@Zizouz212 Anything deleted?

Undo

@HDE226868 beta badge != fulfilled commitment, though

HDE 226868

@Undo Hm. Interesting.

Zizouz212

6 answers, 1 deleted answer, 1 question

Adam

00:02

So why are you able to commit to a proposal and select the "just curious" option? You're still committed just like everyone else.

Zizouz212

@Adam That's a good question. I don't know

Undo

@Adam Those stats aren't used for anything, as far as I know

Zizouz212

Trick: Get 200 committers to commit as "Just Curious" :)

Adam

The "just curious" users wouldn't be able to fulfill it.

Undo

The team might be wary of sending a site with all "just curious" users into private beta, though

Zizouz212

00:03

That's what I did for this. Listed as "Just Curious"

Undo

That wouldn't surprise me

Adam

@Undo true

Zizouz212

Quite honestly, I probably couldn't tell someone what "hardware" is without being laughed at :/

Cfinley

Is there a reason to worry about not fulfill the commitment?

Zizouz212

Does the scores of the 10 posts matters when fulfilling commitment?

Cfinley

00:04

This is my first private beta, so sorry if this is a noob question.

Undo

@Cfinley You don't get to commit to another site if all 3 of your commitments are tied up already

So if you commit to three sites, they launch, and you never touch them, you won't be able to commit to another

Adam

@Zizouz212 "A special set of predefined technologies such that X and Y are not W but still relate to computers and the like while A and B..."

Zizouz212

@Cfinley You get three commitments maximum. You can only do another commit to a site if you fulfill a commitment on another site.

Adam

Too complex.

Zizouz212

Plus, you get 50 rep on Area 51 for fulfilling too :)

Cfinley

00:05

Thanks guys

HDE 226868

@Undo That's gotta be unfair.

Zizouz212

@Adam Too complicated. English please :)

Undo

@HDE226868 Has to be, somehow

Adam

So commitment has no time limit then?

Fulfillment*

Undo

I don't think anyone knows

Zizouz212

00:06

But then if people commit, then don't fulfill, then that's just sad if the site closes and for those who try

Undo

Got to go, cya later folks :)

Zizouz212

Commitment shouldn't come without a consequence if you don't fulfill your word

Adam

Cya

Zizouz212

But then if you do, I think that they should step up how many times you can commit at once

HDE 226868

By, Undo!

Zizouz212

00:07

@Adam You can edit your previous messages :) Just click the arrow at the left :/

Adam

Too lazy right now :\

Zizouz212

Alright, lol

Great, so 6 more posts :/

I know nothing about anything! I'm literally about to cry...

HDE 226868

Okay, someone in the TL says that you need three posts during private beta with positive score or ten posts overall with positive score. Ten is apparently if you miss part of the private beta.

I feel so much better.

Zizouz212

So basically earning the beta badge?

HDE 226868

Looks like it.

Zizouz212

00:10

Let me try to find/ask on Meta SE about this...

Adam

@HDE Three what? Questions?

HDE 226868

@Adam Posts with a positive score.

Sorry about that.

Adam

Oh, okay. I feel better about my semi-false commitments now. :)

Zizouz212

I'm going to ask this on Meta SE. Hope I get an official answer there.

Cfinley

Good luck. But I think the staff keeps it quite for a reason.

If you dont know what it means to fulfill your commitment, you will be more active.

Zizouz212

00:17

Not necessarily. You shouldn't really care about commitment in the first place if you plan to be active

I commit mostly because I'm curious, and generally I ask a few questions. Then I fulfill it and I move on.

ArtOfCode

11:07

meta.hardwarerecs.stackexchange.com/q/181/8 - Um. Should we really be doing this now?

That type of thing has been closed on other sites where I've seen it early-beta.

Hardware Recommendations Meta

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Q: What should our logo and site design look like?

As all we know many beta sites look the same and it would be nice to be distinguished somehow. Jeff Atwood wrote a blog post about it: http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/07/our-designer-in-residence-jin-yang/ Maybe an idea stemming from the community will be taken into account ;). Do you have...

discussion

Adam C

13:07

re-reading, I currently have 9 posts with a positive score, with 12 total, so I think I will be OK for the badge

Adam C

15:40

we have a tag for HDMI, but not for displayport

or DVI, VGA for that matter

I would create displayport but do not have the permissions I am afraid

Cfinley

On your newest question?

0

Q: KVM with four ports to support 4k Resolution

My limiting factor from a video perspective at home is now my KVM. It is DVI based and supports up to 1920x1200 resolution. If I want to move to 4k I am going to need a replacement. Can anyone give a specific recommendation in terms of a KVM used successfully with higher (4k) resolutions, or e...

hdmi displays kvm

@AdamC I added the tag for you. If that was the wrong question, edit it back out.

Adam C

15:56

@Cfinley - displays isn't wrong as a tag, but the others are still missing

if we have HDMI as a tag, then DisplayPort should be one too, and similarly DVI and VGA - they are all similar technologies

this question should have all of them: hardwarerecs.stackexchange.com/q/68/122

(for example)

for DVI, there would be several synonyms too: DVI-I, DVI-D, DVI-A

Cfinley

@AdamC I think the DVI tag should cover the DVI-I, DVI-D and DVI-A sub-categories

Adam C

that's what the tag synonyms are for - like an alias

Cfinley

You're right. I always forget about that.

Adam C

the only actual tag is DVI

:)

also: any thoughts on a tag to refer to 4k - we have 1080p already, would make sense for 4k to exist

assuming people are happy with 1080p (I think it might be too specific)

Cfinley

If 1080p is ok, then 4k should be as well

and 1080i, 720p, 720i, etc.

Adam C

16:05

a HighDefinition tag might be better - point 1080i, 1080p, 720p etc. at it as synonyms

then UltraHD - 4k and whatever comes next

Cfinley

^ +1

I can edit the 1080p question to use that tag.

done

Might need to edit JohnB's post about tags to add the 1080p tag to be merged into it.

Adam C

0

Q: Should we group technical terms (like 1080p) into more generic tags (like HDVideo)?

We have a 1080p tag currently, which means that in theory we probably need 480i, 480p, 720i, 720p, 1080i, 4k etc. That seems a little too specific to me for this type of site, and the list will only get longer. What if instead we use catch-all tags like HDVideo and UltraHDVideo instead and use ...

discussion tags

I thought about it a bit more, and decided to ask on meta for more opinions on the specificity versus aggregation

Hardware Recommendations Meta

16:25

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Q: Should we group technical terms (like 1080p) into more generic tags (like HDVideo)?

We have a 1080p tag currently, which means that in theory we probably need 480i, 480p, 720i, 720p, 1080i, 4k etc. That seems a little too specific to me for this type of site, and the list will only get longer. What if instead we use catch-all tags like HDVideo and UltraHDVideo instead and use ...

discussion tags

Cfinley

17:30

I have voted to reopen the wrist rest question. If my monitor stand question is on-topic, then the wrist rest should also be on-topic.

Adam C

this is my first beta, it's interesting to see how the sausage gets made - impressive (and encouraging) to see the effort people put in

Cfinley

I have based my decision on Adam's and John's answer to

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Q: What type of hardware is allowed?

I have asked this question: Standing desk with ability to raise/lower? It is receiving a few close votes for "not about computing hardware." A key thing this site will need to determine is what the scope of "hardware" is, right now there are questions about: Computers Audio equipment Headphon...

discussion scope

@AdamC This is also my first private beta. So far its been fun. I just want this to go public so we can get more fresh questions.

Andy

@Cfinley Have we decided either is on topic?

Adam C

I think if we decided broadly, that ergonomic hardware was in scope, then it would cover both

it's the type of thing plenty of people want hands-on recommendations for

the wrist rest is pretty specific, but if you were looking for a recommendation for preventing sore wrists while typing, it would be more on-topic I think and gel wrist rests would be the answer for some

JohnB

Wrist rests are "computer hardware" according to Newegg, no further discussion necessary ;)

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Adam C

17:46

heh

I added my thoughts to that question

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A: What type of hardware is allowed?

I would like to propose that ergonomic hardware be considered in scope, examples: Adjustable/motorized chairs (Gaming chairs too) Trackballs, trackpads and other mice alternatives Split keyboards, different key types, alternate key layouts Supports, rests, stands I'd rather see broader quest...

An ergonomic tag would make sense too

Cfinley

@Andy My question is still on topic (only two close votes). Johns's answer has 4 net upvotes while Adam's has 1.

JohnB

limiting the scope based on the site's name doesn't make sense. We don't need to change the site name to "Hardware and Hardware accessories Recommendations" to allow such accessories

prime example: Bitcoin.SE allows question about all kinds of cryptocurrencies despite the name

Andy

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A: Should we group technical terms (like 1080p) into more generic tags (like HDVideo)?

We shouldn't be creating tags just to make synonyms of them. Discussing merges/synonyms of existing tags makes sense, but if we don't have certain (hypothetical) tags yet, they shouldn't fall into our discussions. Tags can be reorganized in the future. If you think we need one of those possible ...

Gilles

19:41

@JohnB Software Recommendations doesn't do hardware purely on the basis that the name says “software”

JohnB

ok, we're not SR :)

I think "Hardware and Software Recs" is a much further reach than "Hardware and related accessories", don't you agree?

Gilles

@JohnB I think it would have made sense.

It wasn't my preferred option, my preference goes to a site for hardware and a site for each software platform (Windows, Unix, Apple, Android, etc.). But the existence of SU makes this impossible.

So we get to have a separate site or three just for recommendations.

JohnB

my point up there was in response to Adam's answer in regards to how far we should be pushing "Hardware"

@Gilles I was a little surprised to see the web recommendations proposal, I take it those kinds of questions are off topic at SR? I don't spend time there

Gilles

@JohnB SR only recommends software: hardware-automated processes that process data in some way. Websites and other data sources are off-topic.

JohnB

19:58

@Gilles I guess the line between "website" and "software" is a little blurrier to me. I can see questions being off-topic, but is it permissible to answer a SR request with a website/webapp solution?

Gilles

@JohnB the status of webapps has always been contentious: what really distinguishes a webapp from a gnome who types really really fast?

“hire someone to do it for you” is not a valid answer, “download that software and use it” is valid, “submit your data to this website and get the result back” is somewhere in the middle

JohnB

heh

Adam

20:26

I voted to reopen the wrist rest question, so it's open now. This is a milestone in the short history of Hardware Recommendations.

JohnB

Well now I'm going to ask for an exercise wheel recommendation since questions relating to mice are on topic

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Adam

Not before I ask about a good treadmill for my dogs.

Hardware Recommendations Meta

20:54

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Q: Should we have a custom 'too broad' off-topic reason?

In Robert Cartaino's answer here, he mentions this text: Closed as a broad recommendation or poll "Hardware Recommendations" is a community-run website to help participants complete an exhaustive solution search given very specific requirements. Unfortunately, questions seeking broad pro...

discussion close-reasons

Undo

@Gilles Would it make sense to just blend SR and HR together? It might help with the lack-of-experts problems that both sites are going to / are facing.

Just thinking out loud

Andy

@Undo YAY! Instant Graduation

Think of all the records we'd set on SE

Undo

heh

But seriously, if we could have all the technical-type experts in one place, and all the recommendation-moderation minded users in one place, wouldn't it be a win-win?

People that know about hardware will probably know at least a little about software and the other way around.

Andy

Having not participated on SR except to ask a single question, I have no idea what the scope is there. I also don't know the culture.

From an SR user's point of view, I'd think it'd be jarring to suddenly expand the scope to cover this entire new area too. You worked through the entire A51->Beta->Grad proccess with one scope

Undo

@Andy Of course

Andy

21:00

Plus, I imagine some might be a bit miffed that HR didn't have to do that

Undo

I'm not saying we rush into something like this.

Gilles

@Undo I think it would have made sense to do it at the beginning. Now it would be somewhat disruptive, because there's an inbalance of established software stuff vs new hardware stuff.

Andy

We'd just get to piggy back on their good fortune

Undo

@Gilles True

Gilles

we might have to overhaul all kinds of policies, tagging, etc.

I'm not against it, but I expect that there'll be a lot of opposition, including from SE

Undo

21:01

Of course

I'm not about to go throwing meta posts everywhere

Gilles

and it could fail spectacularly

Andy

I do, however, see the sense in having a single "recommendation" type site.

Gilles

Mind you, that could be a good thing… Fail SR and HR, use that as an argument to force recommendations back on SU

Andy

How many SR users have you guys seen here?

Undo

@Gilles Sounds like a good argument against it :P

Andy

21:02

Is there a lot of cross over?

Undo

@Andy Looking over the top users list, probably five or six I recognize from the flag queue

I really want softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/users/185/izzy, but he said he's busy with life

Zizouz212

There's a big blob :P

Andy

Ok, so there is cross pollination. That's good.

\o/ Work day is over. I'll be around later.

Gilles

Area 51 has statistics about committers

users also committed to
8.0% Software Recommen...
6.3% Law
6.3% Website Recommend...
5.8% Computer Graphics
37.9% only this proposal
committers active in
48.2% Stack Overflow
21.9% Super User
17.0% Meta Stack Exchange
13.4% Software Recommen...
10.7% Meta Stack Overflow
10.7% Programmers

Undo

@Gilles We need an active-users-active-in list

Gilles

21:05

@Undo data.stackexchange.com (but that has to wait until the site is public)

Or write a script that uses the API to enumerate the users, in the private beta there aren't many of them

Andy

@Undo Do some API magic

Gilles

I am not volunteering

Undo

@Andy I might sometime

Undo

22:36

Have to say, this is the first beta where I approve of all the moderator nominees to date.

Also, this is the fewest I think I've seen after this long

Adam

Hey, you can't approve of yourself. That's conceited. ;)

Undo

Fine. I approve of all the ones that aren't me, and maybe all the ones that are me :)

Adam

Are you saying you rigged the system and put in multiple votes for yourself?

Undo

Tsk tsk, so many questions ;)

Adam

Alright I concede.

HDE 226868

22:43

Are GPS watches on-topic?

Undo

@HDE226868 I would think so

If mobile phones are, GPS watches should be

Adam

[wearable-technology]

HDE 226868

Great, thanks. @Undo @Adam.

Undo

np

Adam

np

HDE 226868

22:57

@Undo I agree; the candidates are good.

Adam

23:20

Am I the only one adding excerpts to tags?

Obviously someone else did a few but it's been a while.

Undo

@Adam I tend to wait until a site gets it's own moderators to do that

Or at least two people who can review them

No reason to burden the CMs with reviewing them when we can do it ourselves in a few days/weeks

Adam

@Undo Makes sense. Sorry Robert.

Undo

@Adam Hehe, it's fine

He's used to reviewing them for private betas.

Adam

That's what I figured. Might as well clarify some tags so they'll be ready right when we need them.

HDE 226868

23:35

I typically write an absolutely terrible first tag wiki by accident, then get my act together and write decent ones in the future. Each site lends itself to slightly different wikis.

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