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Kritixi Lithos

05:40

lol "Doesn't work apparently"

Seriously use Java. I tried to do something in C++, but it didn't work out, so I used Java and all was good. (Though that may have been due to my lack of C++ knowledge)

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@KritixiLithos ...

C++ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Java

Java <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Everything else

These may be sliiight understatements

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Kritixi Lithos

07:29

Processing was the first programming language I learnt (which is based on Java). The second one is Java. Java is my second-best language (even though my knowledge in it is limited). That is why I prefer Java to everything else. I'm even creating an esolang based on Java called JGolf

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08:00

0/10 use C#

or JS

C# was my first language, then JS and Python, IMO JS is really similar to C#/Java, plus it's a scripting language, meaning it's really fast to write code in

downrep_nation

08:32

github.com/timopomer/GolfSharp

what do you guys think?

anything i should add to make it useful for challenges?

ASCII-only

08:53

I don't think that counts as an interpreter

A: How can I evaluate C# code dynamically?

Using the Roslyn scripting API (more samples here): // add NuGet package 'Microsoft.CodeAnalysis.Scripting' using Microsoft.CodeAnalysis.CSharp.Scripting; await CSharpScript.EvaluateAsync("System.Math.Pow(2, 4)") // returns 16 You can also run any piece of code: var script = await CSharpScri...

Roslyn should make it pretty easy

@Everyone just realized Carefully is the best name for an esolang ever, I just have no idea what kind of language it would be

Kritixi Lithos

09:25

I created JGolf, Java, but shorter

Because I like Java and it is a very useful language, for example in Android dev

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Only in Android dev because it's way easier than using C++ because more modules

@KritixiLithos What does class extends Foo implements Bar {} shorten to?

Kritixi Lithos

You tell me

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@KritixiLithos ?

Kritixi Lithos

I don't know. I have never used implementations

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D: D: D: wat

Kritixi Lithos

09:31

I haven't done anything complex

But I have used extends with various classes

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D: D: D:

Kritixi Lithos

School comes in the way :(

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@ASCII-only im not sure if it matters.. i guess i can make it execute the code you input by file or something but it doesnt really change the outcome..

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10:13

@downrep_nation Yeah, but it's really painful to run right now

Qwerp-Derp

10:39

Hello

Wait who invited me

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@Qwerp-Derp Me because this

Qwerp-Derp

Hmmm

What should the lang be about then?

Is it the lang that you guys were planning on making?

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???

Qwerp-Derp

VSL

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VSL has its own chat

Qwerp-Derp

10:43

Hmmm so what should Carefully be?

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No idea :P

Qwerp-Derp

Also for my lang I need a symbol for rounding

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Definitely an esolang

Qwerp-Derp

@ASCII-only What symbol should I use for rounding?

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No idea

Something like [ maybe to signify it acts kinda like ceil and floor maybe

Qwerp-Derp

10:48

Nah, using [ for something else

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Yeah, I knew it would probably have been reserved

Qwerp-Derp

TIL ⌊...⌉ is used for rounding to whole numbers

I could probably use that and extend on it

Maybe ⌊²10.236⌉ = 10.23 (2 d.p)?

downrep_nation

11:20

@ASCII-only what would be the best way to structure the interpreter so its easy to run programs in?

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Just taking the program as input (file and/or commandline)

downrep_nation

but then you cannot writeline for example since rosyln is running it

the program would need its own console

i guess ill make that, thanks for the tip

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BTW IMO it's not going to be very well accepted or golfy to shorten builtin names

downrep_nation

its probably going to be used exclusively by me, but its not just shortened builtins

im a massive advocate for c#, so in the future i will write some utility functions too

its simply a non stack based language people with c# knowledge can use easily

ASCII-only

11:36

I would change the syntax as well - you don't really need classes, and output should be implicit for it to be competitive (also doesn't changing c to non-generic work?)

downrep_nation

good idea. but what should be outputted? sometimes you need more than one variable

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Roslyn should just return the result of the last line evaluated IIRC

@downrep_nation But plenty of people already golf in C#

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not really, and im just one of them

i want to make basically a big utillity class for c# with shortened names etc

nothing groundbreaking

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betseg

13:11

@KritixiLithos it was Alphafuck that didn't work, not C

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Kritixi Lithos

16:20

@betseg But I thought it was the compiler that didn't work

betseg

@KritixiLithos you like ternary operators?

Kritixi Lithos

16:40

I guess so

betseg

alphafuck transpiler has great nested ternary operators

Kritixi Lithos

But it's C... I would prefer Java

betseg

Kritixi Lithos

It doesn't take much to convert it to Java

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