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Archemar

2:07 PM

we no longer have rep point figure for people answering question ?

at least on web site.

terdon

Huh. That's interesting.

Might even be a good idea.

Jesse_b

@Archemar Yeah I noticed that a bit ago. It still shows up when you edit a question though

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Q: Bash condition that won't run on first Thursday of the month

I have a cron that runs a script twice a week (Monday/Thursday) - this runs fine, but I need to stop it processing on the first Thursday of the month. I'd like to adapt this code: we=$(LC_TIME=C date +%A) dm=$(date +%d) if [ "$we" = "Thursday" ] && [ "$dm" -lt 8 ] then ..... fi I would a...

Archemar

figure also removed from poster of question (yet can be seen on side pages).

Stephen Kitt

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Q: User cards are no longer showing reputation or badges across the network

I cannot see reputation of any questioner or answerer on their user cards, but editors' rep & badges are still shown. Questions tab with any filter(new, active) is unaffected. Mobile sites are unaffected. It appears to be a network-wide issue. New contributor banner expands. ...

bug reputation design stack-exchange user-card

Archemar

And I agree with @terdon, we will now focus on answer, not on rep score.

Oh, wait this a bug !?

terdon

2:20 PM

Dunno. I don't think so though. But it hasn't been announced as far as I know.

Stephen Kitt

FYI the rep and badges is a bug. There is a fix incoming. — Taryn ♦ 8 mins ago

Archemar

fixed on meta, I guess rep figure are soon to be back ....

Jeff Schaller

lol "the New Contributor slap emoji"

I saw something fly by (I think regarding SO) where they were trialing hiding the vote score if it got negative. This isn't that, though.

Jesse_b

seems fixed

Jeff Schaller

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A: New popup message when voting on a question?

We are conducting a short duration experiment to understand how the voting user interface impacts question answering and editing. The effects of this experiment are superficial - only the displayed score is affected. Depending on which experimental group you're in, you may see one of a number...

Jesse_b

3:58 PM

wat it do @JeffSchaller?

derobert

4:33 PM

github.com/palewire/nrol-39-logo .... errr, umm, ≈yeah?≈

Jesse_b

@derobert hah

Jeff Schaller

@Jesse_b howdy-do, Jesse_b! Just tryin' to keep the grass alive

Jesse_b

4:50 PM

@JeffSchaller Heh, mine is pretty much done for the season. We are getting a bunch of snow right now

Stephen Kitt

@JeffSchaller wait, what? There’s no “Jeff Schaller” on Gardening & Landscaping!

Faheem Mitha

Bizarre comment thread over at LWN, on that Stallman article. Sample:

> Maybe frostsnow would understand better what we were driving at if we took a limit case. A free software leader who cooked and ate unwilling victims would not share my moral values, and I would not consider him an acceptable leader of any movement I wanted to be associated with.

Interesting analogy.

So now Stallman is Hannibal Lecter. Apparently.

Incidentally. top hits on Google for Hannibal are for Dr. Lecter. I wonder how many people remember that Hannibal was a Carthaginian general who won a famous victory against Rome.

Jesse_b

@FaheemMitha Might be location based. Here google tries to autocomplete "hannibal" with "hannibal buress" (a famous comedian in the US)

Faheem Mitha

@Jesse_b I don't see how it correlates to my location. Unless Indian really like watching certain TV shows. But perhaps they do.

Jeff Schaller

@StephenKitt that's no accident! I'm no gardener.

and you should see what I did with the landscaping recently

Not quitting my day job, that's for sure

Jesse_b

5:01 PM

@FaheemMitha Well Hannibal Buress may be the most famous Hannibal in the USA but Hannibal Lector is probably still more famous outside the US

Faheem Mitha

@Jesse_b Perhaps. I've never heard of Hannibal Buress.

Stephen Kitt

Hannibal Barca is the top result for me

Jesse_b

@FaheemMitha Yeah I don't think many comedians get famous outside the country because it's hard to be funny across cultural and language barriers

And honestly hanibal buress is mostly famous for being the one that called Bill Cosby out for raping women rather than for being funny

Faheem Mitha

@Jesse_b Oh.

@StephenKitt Interesting.

derobert

5:58 PM

@FaheemMitha There aren't many people left alive who remember the 3rd Punic War, much less the 2nd! :-P

And I'm pretty sure all the veterans of the 1st Punic War have long passed.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Not sure what your point is. Those are fairly well-known events.

I think we can agree that people who were alive at the time are not alive any more.

Unless there are people who are over 2000 years old still walking the Earth.

But that person is probably the progenitor for all later uses of the name Hannibal.

derobert

6:29 PM

@FaheemMitha It was a joke. The point was to cause laughter. Or at least a chuckle. Apparently I failed.

Oh well, I shall have to try again another time.

Jesse_b

In my opinion the 1st Punic War is the only good one, sequels never live up to the expectations of the original

derobert

But the second one had elephants!

Jesse_b

:p

Faheem Mitha

@derobert I apologise for the absence of my sense of humor. It's not dead, just resting.

derobert

6:45 PM

@FaheemMitha glad to hear that, was worried it'd perished trying to cross the Alps.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert My sense of humor is strictly indoor, like me.

Jeff Schaller

derobert

7:48 PM

@FaheemMitha BTW, anything new with your bank? Curious if its gotten any better...

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Thanks for asking. No, not really. They're now allowing people to withdraw Rs. 25000. Lots of commotion going on. You could do a search.

Apparently the govt will bail out private banks and state owned banks, but not cooperative banks. I'm not sure why. Just another instance of Indian insanity, I suppose.

Rui F Ribeiro

@FaheemMitha Sound more cronyism ...

derobert

@FaheemMitha I will. The major US media hasn't covered the story again, AFAIK.

Faheem Mitha

@RuiFRibeiro My working theory is that the cooperative sector is too independent for the taste of the people who run India. Did I say run? I meant rule.

I can imagine people like Modi and his friends using words like "socialism" in the privacy of their mansions. If they were American, they'd be using words like "communist".

That one still seems to be popular over there.

derobert

Yeah. I'm not sure how much people will get called socialists this time around, with Sanders and Warren...

Faheem Mitha

8:01 PM

@derobert I hear it rumored that socialism is coming back into fashion. So apparently 70 years of unremitting propaganda, or however long it's been, hasn't worked as well as the architects would have hoped.

I'm talking specifically about the United States. Just to be clear.

derobert

That's to be seen. Sanders and Warren poll well, but... I doubt they hold up well in a general election. There is, I think, a reason Trump is trying to get dirt on Biden, not Sanders or Warren.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert I didn't suggest it would translate into votes. I was speaking generally.

derobert

Well, if it doesn't translate in to votes... then it's just noise on the Internet :-/

Faheem Mitha

Anyway, it's far from clear what's going to happen with the bank thing,

@derobert I disagree. These things take time to percolate.

derobert

Sure. But that's translating to votes eventually, then. I doubt the US has really moved to the left far at all.

Faheem Mitha

8:09 PM

The United States has a huge mass of people who basically live on a different planet. As reality gradually leaks in, perhaps that mass will gradually start melting.

@derobert It hasn't yet. These things take time. And I wish people would stop using terms like left and right. Those are directions.

derobert

@FaheemMitha In particular, the side of an assembly that various politicians sat on. Back in the French Revolution...

Faheem Mitha

Also, there need to be some not-horrible people to elect. Those are still in short supply in the United States. Similar comments apply to India. More so, if anything.

Listening to Indian politicians is horrifying. It's a bit of a competition which are more ghastly, the Indian variety or the US variety.

OTOH, I was actually relatively favorably impressed with my recent viewings of the House of Commons. Apparently there are still British politicians who are willing to stand up and fight for their country. Is was a bit strange to watch.

(My standard disclaimer: not a fan of the British.)

@derobert I'm come to hate those terms. But everyone uses them.

derobert

shrug other than being two-dimensional, I don't think any other two-dimensional term is really better. Some seem worse (e.g., "conservative" and "liberal").

Rui F Ribeiro

@FaheemMitha yeah, I took the too independent part into consideration when mentioning cronyism... it is all about having them and their friends running the party.

Tim

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders#Evaluations_of_his_ideology

"Some writers have variously described Sanders's political philosophy as "welfarism"[292] or "social democracy"[293] but not democratic socialism as defined as "an attempt to create a property-free, socialist society".[294]"

Faheem Mitha

8:17 PM

@derobert I suggest the nomenclature crazy and non-crazy.

@RuiFRibeiro Something like that.

@derobert Actually, it's one-dimensional.

derobert

@FaheemMitha I'm afraid I'd hardly ever get to use "non-crazy".

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Sorry to hear that.

derobert

@FaheemMitha Yeah, sorry, two directions on one dimension. My mistake.

Rui F Ribeiro

@FaheemMitha Here banks learned to do creative accounting and politians learned to funnel money through banks to give to friends in others for the taxpayers to save banks...

disgraceful.

Faheem Mitha

@RuiFRibeiro That's exactly what happens here.

How nice. We have something in common.

Tim

8:20 PM

businessinsider.com/…

There are a few fault lines that run through the Warren-Sanders relationship, most notably concerning their positions on capitalism vs. democratic socialism.
Warren has called herself "a capitalist to my bones" and believes well-designed rules and regulations can make capitalism work for everyone. But Sanders has long described himself as a democratic socialist and believes capitalism is fundamentally unsustainable.

Rui F Ribeiro

@FaheemMitha When one organization is on the spotlight, they funnel through another money to it, even if it need be to use an international representation on Paris or Africa or something like that for it to be less noticed...

Tim

As far as I heard, Portugal is a social democratic country, or currently ruled by a democratic socialist party, and working relatively well

Faheem Mitha

@Tim Everyone knows that capitalism is fundamentally unstainable. It isn't news.

I think people have been saying that for upwards of 200 years.

Rui F Ribeiro

Portugal is a stinkhole with communist/socialist tendencies and a badly frequented place

with corrupt politians

Faheem Mitha

@RuiFRibeiro Oh dear. I wonder what you would think of India.

Rui F Ribeiro

8:22 PM

that have no shame

Faheem Mitha

@RuiFRibeiro I suggest you don't visit India. I don't think you would enjoy it.

Tim

We Should All Learn From Portugal

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How Portugal Solved The Overdose Crisis By Looking Beyond The Substance

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derobert

@FaheemMitha A lot of people (myself included) disagree with you there.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert I'm surprised to hear you say that.

And I should have written "unsustainable", sorry.

I mean, I'm not surprised that a lot of people would disagree with that.

derobert

Yeah, I guessed which word you meant.

Faheem Mitha

8:27 PM

Perhaps when the sea rises to the level of their office windows, they'll reconsider.

derobert

What we're doing now isn't sustainable. But that doesn't mean capitalism isn't. Capitalism isn't incompatible with, e.g., a carbon tax. Or other rules against pollution.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert It's too late to have that discussion. Even if I was up for it.

derobert

@FaheemMitha Yeah. And this isn't politics.se, so probably we should stop.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert I wasn't suggesting there was anything wrong with such a discussion.

Like I said, it's too late. And I don't have the energy anyway.

Though the kinds of restrictions you're talking about don't actually work well in practice. Capitalism doesn't like artificial constraints on their attempts at externalization.

It's like trying to house train a Bengal Tiger.

But I've not researched the topic. Someone who knows the details would be better.

@derobert Random question. Have you seen the film "Monsoon Wedding"?

Rui F Ribeiro

@FaheemMitha I left Africa for some reason lol...yeah, I like to go into vacations to get pampered, not to have random problems.

derobert

8:39 PM

@FaheemMitha I don't think anyone does, capitalist or not. Or, at least, enough people do not that unless something stops them, it's an issue. But anyway...

@FaheemMitha nope, haven't seen it

Kusalananda

@FaheemMitha I've seen it, a couple of times I think.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Yes, well. The question is what that something is going to be. It's one of those times when believing in a deity would be helpful.

@derobert Good film.

derobert

@FaheemMitha Hah, yes, it would

Faheem Mitha

@Kusalananda Did you like it?

Kusalananda

@FaheemMitha As far as I can recall now, it was not a bad movie.

Faheem Mitha

8:40 PM

@Kusalananda Ah.

Kusalananda

My then girlfriend bought it on DVD.

We both enjoy the singing and dancing, and the music.

Faheem Mitha

@Kusalananda That's nice.

Kusalananda

Actually, I think I even have the complete soundtrack somewhere...

Faheem Mitha

Well, there's this one.

Monsoon Wedding - Chunari Chunari

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derobert

yeah! get a copyright block notice here :-/

Faheem Mitha

8:47 PM

@derobert You're kidding.

derobert

Nope

"Video unavailable
This video contains content from NBC Universal, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds."

Faheem Mitha

And in case you do manage to watch it. note that not all Indian girls are as beautiful as Neha Dubey.

@derobert That's a massive drag. Let me try to find another version.

derobert

I'll try a VPN

Kusalananda

I like the side stories. Like the parallel love story between the servant girl and that tall thin guy.

derobert

@FaheemMitha if they were, would it make up for all the downsides of living there? :-P

Faheem Mitha

8:49 PM

@derobert Probably not. It doesn't matter how beautiful they are if they won't talk to you.

@Kusalananda Yes, that one was a big hit.

Kusalananda

... and the fact that it somehow also manages to deal with serious topics as with that creepy older guy.

Faheem Mitha

@Kusalananda Yes. That's sort of thing is actually not uncommon in India. Or so I hear.

@derobert How about youtube.com/watch?v=rFuR5j9niwo ?

derobert

vpn worked on the first one

Faheem Mitha

One interesting thing about that particular scene is that that song is from another movie.

derobert

@FaheemMitha second one is blocked too

Faheem Mitha

8:53 PM

But if you watch that song in the original movie, it's quite strikingly different.

Whoever made that other film doesn't have Mira Nair's magical powers.

@derobert Just for reference, that actually is what India looks like. To a first approximation, anyway. But things are less fun, the girls aren't as beautiful, and there is a lot more desperation and starvation.

Kusalananda

9:33 PM

@Jesse_b About unix.stackexchange.com/questions/546208 I wonder if there's a way to inject sed code into that from the command line to overwrite files? Like if one of the arguments is /;w .bash_profile or something...

I'm not looking too closely at it. The code in the question is not really a "minimal example".

Jesse_b

@Kusalananda That's over my head. Honestly the whole script seems like it could be optimized/simply not used at all

Do you think my answer may be introducing additional vulnerabilities though?

I know Stéphane Chazelas has an answer around here somewhere with a function that will sanitize sed input though. Trying to find it

Kusalananda

@Jesse_b Can't really say anything about that. Too much code. Too late in the evening.

Jesse_b

It seems like the entire question is restated inside the script in comments

Kusalananda

I think that the script could possibly be replaced by a much simpler shell function around (Perl) rename.

Jesse_b

I found the sed variable escaping answer and updated my answer

Kusalananda

9:47 PM

@Jesse_b Ah, good!

Gilles

11:27 PM

@derobert So I still haven't written those blog posts, but I've written some of these thoughts as a response to the detailed policy about the code of conduct change:

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A: Official FAQ on gender pronouns and Code of Conduct changes

Over time, Stack Exchange gets less and less welcoming. This hasn't so much been reflected in rule changes as in how the rules are enforced. It used to be that code of conduct on Stack Exchange (it wasn't fashionable then to call it a “code of conduct”, it was colloquially known as the “‘be nice...

I also wrote another answer which is about the policy itself:

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A: Official FAQ on gender pronouns and Code of Conduct changes

These rules embrace and promote bigotry. It's sad and hurtful that you refuse to acknowledge this. Grammar concerns do not override a person’s right to self identify. Grammar concerns are part of a person's identity. Wars have been fought over language. It really seems that you're living i...

I'm afraid that SE is on a destructive course. Anybody who wants to try to move the community to a more welcoming place is welcome to contact me (drop me a note on SE and I'll find a way to give you an email address).

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