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01:06
hi
ew ubuntu 19.10
1095+ rep and i use win10 and develop .NET xD
 
1 hour later…
02:36
@FaheemMitha Turns out my Xorg logs are not for display 0, rather they are for display 1, and they are located in $HOME/.local/share/xorg, and there is an Xorg.1.log timestamped today.
 
3 hours later…
05:37
@Ungeheuer That's odd.
05:50
@FaheemMitha why?
06:25
@Ungeheuer Logs are usually under /var/log. But apparently your X is rootless, and Linux doesn't really have a good place to put user logs. So I guess it gets stuck somewhere in the home directory.
Presumably you didn't choose this yourself.
 
1 hour later…
07:43
it goes well...
And you ?
08:10
@Biswapriyo Ubuntu’s been building ELF binaries with PIE since at least 2016
@StephenKitt Thank you for the reply.
@Kiwy Ok, I guess.
 
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@Kusalananda talk about not thinking about what could happen...
(That said, I suspect most command-line users have an rm story involving a mis-timed Enter!)
@StephenKitt I'd question the idea, even without the pool there.
@Kusalananda yeah, anything involving a weapon is liable to end badly!
15:24
@JeffSchaller ah, but those come under the more general rule that anything discussed on What If? ends badly ;-).
15:37
> ... we find that the bag of golf balls will have to be just about exactly 100 billion miles in diameter. That's much, much bigger than our Solar System.[3] ... It would also promptly and violently collapse into a black hole.
I might just have to buy his new "How to" book ... for my kids, yeah :)
16:31
@JeffSchaller You could probably get it from the library.
@FaheemMitha his older ones, perhaps; this one was just published
I do enjoy the library, though!
@JeffSchaller Perhaps the library takes requests?
@FaheemMitha another good idea! :)
hooo! "How to" is "COMING SOON"
@JeffSchaller You're too kind.
I was just watching "Aquaman", new on Amazon Prime Video.
"Thing explainer" is in the ADULT NONFICTION section, while "What If?" is in the SCIENCE DIVISION section.
16:36
I liked the part in Sicily best. Assuming it was actually Sicily.
But then I'm always a sucker for the Mediterranean, & Italy. I wonder if those were real homes that were being demolished.
Off to window-shop Airbnbs on Sicily. It's not like I've got anything better to do...
16:48
@FaheemMitha Did not choose it. It used to log to /var/log/Xorg.DISPLAY.log
@Ungeheuer So the system changed the setup by itself? Naughty.
17:01
@FaheemMitha It might have happened around the time I was setting up my Nvidia GPU. I admittedly never payed attention and have no idea what could have changed, or if it was always logging to both places, etc.
@FaheemMitha Are these "[ 9323.014]" things timestamps in the Xorg log? What do they correspond to? Seconds? Minutes? I'd love to know when log lines actually appeared in the log.
@Ungeheuer seconds since boot, I believe
@Ungeheuer Fortunately Anthony knows everything, so that helpful when the rest of us don't.
Though timestamps aren't the most important part of the log.
I would guess it's probably CLOCK_MONOTONIC, which on Linux is time since boot. perl -MTime::HiRes=clock_gettime,CLOCK_MONOTONIC -E 'say clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC)' is an easy enough way to get it
(Could also be CLOCK_BOOTTIME, but those are the same on my machine so I can't check w/o reading Xorg source)
clock_gettime manpage describes the various clocks if you're curious
@derobert Thanks!
@FaheemMitha Yea, there are several EE and WW lines relating to Nvidia in the 50 lines I scrolled through out of about 860. How should I attach the log to my question? Get a pastebin link, or filter the doc for lines containing keywords like "input", "elan", etc.?
17:17
@Ungeheuer Good question. You could first try just including the whole thing and see if you hit the length limit, and then try taking out the obviously irrelevant stuff.
The trouble with links is that they rot.
@Ungeheuer Add as much as possible of the log to the actual question. If all does not fit, then ou can think about putting some sort of summary of it in the question and the full log somewhere else (preferably somewhere where it won't get deleted after some time).
 
3 hours later…
20:24
Anyone else paying attention to the Brexit vote in ~35min ?
@derobert I'm watching the Guardian streaming video on Youtube of the House of Commons debate right now.
watching some BBC news program here
I've no idea if this is normal, but it's really nasty.
The Guardian is also writing a live summary - theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/sep/03/…
20:33
Not sure. I'd guess not normal, but its not like I routinely watch the House of Commons.
@derobert Me neither.
It looks like the BBC is doing similar coverage.
The govt Tories are completely mad.
The only way to avoid a no-deal is to not vote against a no-deal? Do these people hear themselves?
And I don't know if it is just me, but there seem to be surprisingly few people there.
@derobert So you're watching the live stream of the House of Commons too?
No, currently watching a news/analysis program that BBC is streaming
@derobert Oh.
The debate is very "lively", to put it politely.
20:39
Was watching it earlier, but really seems that all that matters is the vote in ~20 minutes
The vote is in 20 min?
Expected somewhere around 22:00 BST, which is ~20 minutes from now.
Alice in Wonderland logic. Apparently these people think that the EU will care if the UK leaves without a deal. Which makes no sense. Why should they care?
TZ=Europe/London date, to keep this somewhat on topic :-P
Though I don't see anyone making that actual point.
20:42
@FaheemMitha It makes a mess for everyone. There are (for example) several million EU citizens living in the UK and vice versa
There is a lot of trade between between UK and other EU members.
Etc.
@derobert Hmm. But they are saying that if they set an arbitrary deadline for Brexit and are prepared to leave without a deal, then miraculously, a deal will happen.
@FaheemMitha Not miraculously, they're just threatening to shoot the hostage. That's all.
@derobert Do you think that is a sensible strategy? Among other considerations, the hostage in this case happens to be their own people.
And sometimes, that can get the hostage take a great deal. Other times, of course, the hostage dies and everyone loses.
@FaheemMitha No, personally I think it's a terrible (in all meanings of the word) strategy.
Are they taking a vote right now? I'm confused. They just did a aye/no thingy.
Then the chap said "clear the lobby" or something like that.
20:52
Not sure what they're doing at the moment. BBC is still saying (on the news/analysis program) that the vote is in ~15 min. I missed what they said was going on now
Maybe they're voting on ending debate. Not sure.
@derobert You could just watch the video.
I'm not clear what's going on. Lots of people milling about. But the Guardian page says the voting has started.
yeah, that's what a vote looks like
@derobert Do you know what the mechanism is? I don't see that anything is happening.
@FaheemMitha I think they go indicate to the relevant vote counter (one for yes, one for no) which side they want to vote for. Not sure exactly how it's done.
Wow, someone in a turban. Is it only MPs in this room?
20:59
I think so. At least in the part we're seeing. Not sure if there is a public viewing area above
It's a strange thought that the people in this room run Britain. Once upon a time, that would have been an extremely big deal. Mostly white, and mostly men. Some things don't change.
" In each House, a division requires members to file into one of the two lobbies alongside the Chamber; their names are recorded by clerks, and their votes are counted as they exit the lobbies to re-enter the Chamber." ... that's what Wikipedia tells me about how they actually vote en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_of_the_United_Kingdom
Also tells me there are public galleries
@derobert Are the lobbies visible in the video? I'm still looking at the Guardian one. I don't know if there are other feeds. I don't see any lobbies.
No, I don't think they're visible in the feed.
Do they're doing a division (recorded vote), then?
21:05
yeah
> John Bercow, the Speaker, moves to the main vote. He has just called the division, and voting has started.
From the Guardian page. I didn't initially realise what a division was.
they should be done soon... 15 minutes for a vote, if I heard right
It's much fuller now. It may be that many people didn't bother to come in till the voting happened. Maybe there are adjoining rooms, or something?
@derobert Yes, I think the vote will be announced soon.
There are a lot of rooms in Westminster Palace...
There isn't enough seating for all of them.
So yeah, it passed
328 to 301
Pretty close. Might have swung it without the Tory rebels, though.
Johnson is not happy. Big surprise.
I'm actually unclear what this vote is for. I know they want to pass a bill to make the no-deal thing impossible, but where is it?
21:17
I think that's tomorrow...
@derobert Did they vote to vote on a bill? I'm confused.
> MPs back move to allow bill to block no-deal Brexit by majority of 27
Apparently yes, or something like that. Politics is complicated.
Tonight was a procedural thing. Normally the PM (Boris Johnson) mostly has control over the agenda, and of course he'd never put the block no-deal on the agenda.
@derobert I see.
So it's to force the government to put the block no-deal on the agenda?
Or put it on themselves, not sure how exactly it works. But it's to allow it to be debated and voted on, tomorrow I believe. Then presumably if it passes, they'll debate and vote on holding an election
and if I doesn't pass, who knows...
Now they're arguing about sheep, or something. Time to go to bed, I think.
21:28
Yeah, I closed it, AFAIK the interesting bit is done for the night
Politics seems less fun than I expected. Who would have thought?
Ah, maybe it's time for Prime Minister's Questions? Not sure.
Anyway, I'm going home.
@derobert Have a good evening.

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