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9:14 AM
Is the question regarding Time Sharing System on-topic?
 
@Pandya Which time sharing system?
 
ITS & CTS are not Unix-like
But e.g. historical Emacs questions might be on-topic
 
> MIT CTSS → MULTICS (MIT / GE / Bell Labs) → Unix
 
Context:
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Q: Which operating system were the hackers at the MIT AI Lab using in 1971?

PandyaFrom the interview of Richard M. Stallman, I learned that when Richard Stallman joined the Artificial Intelligence Lab at Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1971, the community of programmers (or say hackers) at AI Lab used to run a free operating system probably developed by themselves. N...

 
But I had to first look up "Time Sharing Systems", which shows how much I know about this subject.
 
9:24 AM
I'd already seen the history.se question
 
> Initially there were no passwords, and a user could work on ITS without logging on.[3] Logging on was considered polite, though, so people knew when one was connected.
lol
"Logging on was considered polite"
> To deal with a rash of incidents where users sought out flaws in the system in order to crash it, a novel approach was taken. A command that caused the system to crash was implemented and could be run by anyone, which took away all the fun and challenge of doing so. It did, however, broadcast a message to say who was doing it.
That's just brilliant.
 
There is a big chunk of the Jargon File about it
Which is an interesting read if, you know
 
I've skimmed it, but years ago. I should have another look.
I tend to just link to the UUoC page.
 
The later ESR editions have some issues
 
@terdon I can remember when the internet had no spam.
No doubt future generations will look back in nostalgia to when the earth didn't have extensive radioactive and chemical pollution.
 
9:36 AM
There is a Jargon File version archive here; pick the date you think ESR went off the deep end
 
@MichaelHomer He went off the deep end a long time ago. Having said that, his site still makes interesting reading, at least some of the time.
Basically, he and his commentators say whatever comes into their heads.
Such carefree abandon is unusual in this day and age.
 
The file also stopped being updated a long time ago
 
Raymond kind of has a short attention span.
 
I would pick 4.3.3 because it has the corrected entry for BASIC and "Portrait of J. Random Hacker" is only intermittently racist, but earlier has a strong case for it
 
@Pandya The Stallman biography "Free as in Freedom" has a reasonable amount of detail. Of course, it's not a primary source, but it also has references.
The Levy book "Hackers" also has a chapter on Stallman's early days. By definition, since it was published in the 1980s, I believe. I can't remember much about it, but it might be worth looking at.
 
9:46 AM
@MichaelHomer Yes, I want to know the difference between CTSS and ITS. Do you have any idea where can it be on topic? On SO, SU?
 
@MichaelHomer ok. Thanks. I'll check it.
 
10:05 AM
@MichaelHomer Nice, how did you get it? Lol
 
10:42 AM
@FaheemMitha What do you mean 'future' generations?
 
11:40 AM
@terdon I'm not sure what is unclear about that. Generations in the... future?
 
12:13 PM
@FaheemMitha I mean that I am already looking back in nostalgia to when the earth didn't have extensive radioactive and chemical pollution. No need to wait for future generations.
 
1:02 PM
I'm looking forward on how the human race will f*** the earth even more in the years to come
 
1:22 PM
@terdon Well, it's all relative. One good nuclear war would be a game-changer.
 
@FaheemMitha could you elaborate on : "one good nuclear war" :D
 
1:42 PM
Quoiting Yoda : "Nuclear war make no one's good"
 
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Q: Unable to join communities, it asks to sign up

PandyaI'm currently logged in Stack Exchange Network with Stack Exchange. Now, if I tried to join other community by "Join Community" button, it asks me to singup instead of creating account with existing profile. When you are already logged in and if you joins the community, system just ask for the...

 
2:14 PM
@Kiwy Well, a proper nuclear war, with missiles being exchanged, and million of people being torched in the nuclear fire. Courtesy of American technology.
(Sorry, couldn't resist that last bit.)
 
And in post war period, peace would bring people closer. Even after a nuclear war.
 
2:42 PM
@FaheemMitha @FaheemMitha Well I think it's a bit hard to blame only the US on that
 
@Kiwy They did all the initial development. And have continued with it very actively till the present day.
With great enthusiasm.
Of course, they're not the only ones to do nuclear weapons development.
 
Well it was up to the other to resits and constrain them to stop but France UK China Israel India Pakistan North Korea continued it
I think I forget some of them
Ho yeah Russia of course
 
@Kiwy Resist and constrain? How is anyone supposed to do that?
I think people should take responsibility for their actions. But the USA and (of Britain too) are leaders in not doing so.
But we're drifting off topic. Assuming there was a topic in the first place.
 
@FaheemMitha US aggression in Iraq and Russian in Syria?
Chemical weapons are fine?
 
@PrabhjotSingh I think Kiwy was talking about nuclear weapons development.
People have been trying to stop, or even slow down, this insane activity for many years. But with basically no effect, at least on the US and its allies.
But none of this is exactly news.
 
2:58 PM
@FaheemMitha Pablo Picasso's painting was draped at the time of Afghanistan attack.
 
@PrabhjotSingh Draped? You mean Guernica?
Oh, you must be referring to:
> On 5 February 2003 a large blue curtain was placed to cover this work at the UN, so that it would not be visible in the background when Colin Powell and John Negroponte gave press conferences at the United Nations.
 
@FaheemMitha Yes. There was a painting at UN office,imo. That was draped when US announced the attack.
 
This is a quote from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… if anyone cares.
 
@FaheemMitha A good effect of WWII was that nationalism's grip was loosened in Europe. And things started to move for formation of EU.
I am off to home now. Adios.
@FaheemMitha I stand corrected This was Iraq, not Afghanistan.
 
3:20 PM
Is there any flag in pacman that checks if a package is installed, if not then install, but do not reinstall an already installed package.
 
3:38 PM
@Biswapriyo Sounds a bit specialist. What is your use case?
Can't you just check manually?
If the package management system has an API, you could script it. Python is generally a good and easy choice.
 
4:20 PM
@Biswapriyo No, but you don't need a flag. Just do:
pacman -Q foo || sudo pacman -S foo
That will check if foo is installed and, if not, will install it.
 
5:20 PM
Something like this. I found pacman -S --needed.
Let a package foo depends on bar1, bar2, bar3. I want to install the dependencies of foo without installing foo itself.
 
 
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8:40 PM
I'm seeing a question in the list of questions for Meta. When I follow the link to view the question, the title graphic changes back to 'UNIX & Linux' and there is an info block at the bottom saying 'this question was migrated from unix.meta.stackexchange.com 13 hours ago' ...
I thought I cleared my cache, but it still shows up.
Is this lag?
normal "clogging of the tubes"?
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Q: Grep in file with whole cat output

TheTanaduI search/try to write short script (for if loop) to do grep in file by whole cat output. Already I tried #!/bin/bash find -name 'xmlrpc.php' -execdir bash -c ' if [ -e ".htaccess" ] ; then if grep -qxf /home/tstepien/Desktop/code/testing/addthat.txt .htaccess then echo found else ...

 
@0xSheepdog That is how migrated questions look
 
Okay.
 
See the original here:
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Q: Grep in file with whole cat output

TheTanaduLike in topic. I search/try to write short script (for if loop) to do grep in file by whole cat output. Already I tried #!/bin/bash if grep `cat /home/tstepien/Desktop/code/testing/addthat.txt` .htaccess then echo found else (cat /home/tstepien/Desktop/code/testing/addthat.txt

 
So they asked in 'meta' and it was migrated to the 'normal' site? New to me. Thanks!
 
Yes, that is what "'this question was migrated from unix.meta.stackexchange.com 13 hours ago" is saying
 
8:47 PM
D'oh/
The word "FROM" is significant, I guess...
It's been a l-o-o-o-n-g week.
 
9:18 PM
So, what is the connection of journalctl with the more traditional Linux logging stuff, like in /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog?
 
9:29 PM
@0xSheepdog Yeah, I migrated it from Meta as soon as I saw it pop up.
There's an extra item in the toolbar for moderators with a drop-down that shows the most recent Meta posts. Its icon shows how many unread Meta posts there are since last I checked. That's how I could spot it quickly.
 
9:55 PM
This is a bit rambly, but see the question at the bottom. I'm not sure if it is worth posting as a separate question:
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A: Fujitsu ScanSnap IX500 scanner stopped working, possibly on upgrade from Debian jessie to stretch

Faheem MithaI just exactly the same problem just now, with exactly the same symptoms, on upgrading from stretch (9.8) to Debian buster/testing. I came across this thread, which mentioned the possibility that the scandb daemon was holding on to the scanner. To quote from the thread: Found the culprit.... SA...

An answer to an old question of mine...
I.e. the bit that says:
> Finally, does anyone know how to figure out whether a process is holding on to a USB scanner, and if so, which one?
 

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