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12:05 AM
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy understood; I initially misunderstood Tim's question to be about main-site comments, not chat-comments.
 
nods understandingly
 
 
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5:53 AM
@Kusalananda 2 minutes, I believe. A rather short time.
 
 
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9:54 AM
The weird thing is that if someone moves the comments under a Q or an A to chat, then you can't remove them afterward, even though you originally posted them as comments which you could remove at will.
actually, I find that highly annoying
 
@ilkkachu Flag them (the chat messages) for mod attention and explain.
 
yes, that seems to be the only option
 
@ilkkachu Sorry about that :/
 
10:33 AM
Woohoo!
Now I get to learn about yet another Stack Exchange feature!
 
congrats
 
congrats !!
 
the useful thing to know about that is you can edit the duplicate questions list
 
11:07 AM
@JeffSchaller Ah, well done!
The thing to remember is that "voting to close" now means just "close".
That reminds me, I got the golden hammer of a little while back.
 
11:53 AM
Thank you, @ilkkachu, @Kusalananda, and @Archemar!
@Kusalananda congrats back atcha!
@Kusalananda If I lodge this in my brain as "vote to close as duplicate" = immediate close, is that correct?
 
yeah, that's it
 
@ilkkachu I saw that in Meta SE earlier this morning; will have to digest it with some more caffeine. How have you found it useful?
 
works also for reopening duplicates. but not for the other kinds of close-reasons (off-topic) etc.
 
This power strikes me as ironic, since I'm always removing the bash tag from irrelevant questions, doubly ironic in that it seems that initial mis-tagging grants misplaced power :)
 
@JeffSchaller, editing the duplicate list? It allows putting more than one question there, which might be useful if you find two with different (but useful) answers.
 
11:59 AM
@ilkkachu ahhh! above and beyond "linking" it in with a comment; gotcha.
 
yeah, exactly.
commenting also works of course, but the duplicate banner is kinda more visible and easier to use.
...or was there some magic way to link to questions in a comment, without manually copypasting both the title and the link?
 
I've been doing it by just copy/pasting the question link with a comment such as "Linking in: blahblah";
erm, the comments ate the "http" part; but then it shows up as a Linked Question
as an example
 
yeah, it does show in the linked questions list, but the comment itself looks ugly, since it's the plain URL there.
 
yep
I could do better
In my head, using "Linking in" or "Relating in" showed my intention, as distinguished from "clarifying questions"
 
oh, sure, that's clear enough.
 
12:08 PM
@JeffSchaller In the beggining when having the first gold tag, I ended up forgetting I could close questions alone and often closed them. Gold tags should ask whether we want to vote or close ;)
 
@RuiFRibeiro exactly; I'm not sure I can be trusted with this yet :)
 
But seeing the question title there could be useful: "Related: How to fuzz the frob in Bash", instead of "Related: http:..unix.stack..."
the system autoexpands links to Q's in posts, but I haven't found a way to do it in comments. So I've manually copied both the link and title...
 
@ilkkachu indeed, and it's laziness on my part. I wonder if using the "Share" link is messing it up, because I've seen URLs become titles elsewhere
oh well that answers that
hi ho, hi ho, it's off to work I go
 
@JeffSchaller Yes, exactly, and it was a bit of lazy typing on my part. I missed most of the above discussion due to being out and about. Looks like you covorod the important bits though.
@JeffSchaller Don't worry. Make the mistakes, and then right them again. After a while, you'll make less of them.
 
 
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3:38 PM
Kusalananda, for what it's worth, I've been VTC-unclear what you're asking in re: homework questions
I could swear we had some meta discussions about it
I thought I had landed on VTC unclear, but re-reading some of the discussion leads me to downvoting or VTC-custom reason.
 
@JeffSchaller We've had a few discussions about voting reasons. This particular one did not have a question, did not repeat the requirement in the title in the body of the question, "asked for a script" and uses irrelevant tags.
 
@Archemar aye, that's one in the direction of "close with custom comments"; I've been "lazy" with VTC-unclear as a shorthand for "what's the actual problem you're facing?"
(dancing the edge of "we write scripts whenever we want to")
 
Yes.
 
downvoting a new user seems harsh, but ... also seems warranted
 
3:50 PM
When it comes to adding up a few numbers and dividing that sum, I really would want to see what issues they have with doing that rather than "show me how to do it".
 
you don't downvote users, you downvote posts
 
Every place (virtual or not) have it's rules, new commer should abide by them.
 
That additionally makes room for actually explaining something about what it is they are having issues with.
Note: The question may well be reopened if it is reformulated so that the issues that you are facing in implementing your solution can actually be addressed. — Kusalananda 19 secs ago
 
The hard thing here is that closing a question can be reversed if the question is edited, but downvotes not that easily. You don't get any notification if questions you downvoted or commented on were edited, so it's just up to chance to be able to reverse that downvote.
so yeah, sometimes it feels that none of the close reasons reeeally match, but downvoting because the Q is "not useful" is still warranted. And then the asker doesn't really get a chance to have the downvote reversed
 
@ilkkachu That begs the question what the votes on a question are actually for. A question is upvoted if it is a good question. What does that mean for the question? Well, it means slightly higher visibility, possibly, but not much.
 
3:59 PM
Hmm...
 
I think that's why I hesitate to downvote Q's like that, for new users -- above and beyond the "be nice" campaign; if the person hasn't even explained The Question yet, maybe there's an interesting-enough problem in there to solve, if they can just edit into shape after being closed.
 
enough downvotes also make the question less visible
 
@ilkkachu and eventually deletion
"dumped homework" is VTC-unclear for me, since there's clearly something they should learn, but they haven't demonstrated that.
(from new users, particularly)
 
I'd really like to have the "show me this again after 24 hours" tool, which roaima suggested on meta: unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5190/170373
 
I actually discovered & installed a tampermonkey script to show me posts that have been edited after voting. Let me dig up that link
 
4:28 PM
reminds me a bit of the triage queue on SO -- meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/278380/… -- where questionable questions get some review before they're visible on the site. That'd push not-a-question homework questions into the close-queue and avoid "needless" downvoting.
 
 
2 hours later…
6:12 PM
You know you've been here a while when ... you come across questions that you can close as duplicates that you've answered.
 
6:22 PM
...with a golden hammer.
 
aww, that's the next level; this was just a grep question
 
 
4 hours later…
10:22 PM
@terdon I'm sorry. I think it happened.
 
10:34 PM
@terdon And now it un-happened :-)
 
10:44 PM
@Kusalananda You on the aquavit again?
;-) >:-)
I mean: that does sound like you're seeing pink elephants!
:-)
 
11:04 PM
@Kusalananda hahaha, it wasn't me, I swear!
 
I see a new game to play :)
 
too bad delicately timed up and down votes to try to keep the two carefully balanced would be against the SE idea...
 
I guess we'll have to settle for roughly timed votes to make it an interesting race for a few minutes.
 
:-)
 
@JeffSchaller :D :D :D
And with that I all wish you sweet dreams!
Goog night!
 
11:16 PM
Google night to you as well!
 
Me also (soon at least). Sleep well all!
 
Looks like a certain Dvorak user has hit the rep cap... this opens the door a bit!
Good night, and congrats on rep spot #5!
 

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