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08:28
Ho hum... Users that just want to use a specific tool or set of tools for doing things... :-/
I'm going to try to get my very old "kusalananda" account merged with my current one. The only problem is that I don't have access to it and that I also don't have access to any of the email addresses that I might have used when registering the account. I recently saw one of my old answers from 2011 resurface...
08:41
@Kusalananda You mean you have two different Stack Exchange accounts?
@FaheemMitha I have an old one with the same name that has been untouched since 2011. I forgot about it when I created my current account.
And since, I have lost all associations with it.
@Kusalananda Clearly merging would be a good idea.
Have you forgotten the password for that account?
I have submitted a request for that. I don't know how they handle cases when I can't actually reply to emails sent to the old account's registered email address though.
@FaheemMitha Yes, and the email address that the new password is sent to is a black hole.
@Kusalananda That would make merging difficult, I agree. You can't regain access to that email address temporarily?
Or even ask whoever manages that email domain to bounce it to you?
@FaheemMitha No, that was two workplaces ago... at the EBI.
At least I think I used the EBI address, or it may have been a GMail address that I also dan't have access to any longer.
08:47
@Kusalananda It's a fair amount of trouble to go to for something that doesn't actually matter very much, but if you contacted the admins at EBI, the chances are they would be willing to help out.
I mean, everyone knows SE.
@Kusalananda If you're not even sure of the email address, then that makes it very difficult. But the SE admins might be willing to tell you what the email address associated with the account is.
I have explained all this to SE in my merge request. We'll see what they say.
This isn't a bank account or something, so people will likely be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.
@FaheemMitha I would be extremely surprised if they disclosed the email address associated with an account.
@Kusalananda Keep us posted. It's mildly interesting to know how helpful the SE admins are.
I'm guessing the admins are all volunteers anyway.
@Kusalananda Well, there's reasonable expectation that it's actually your account.
This is the account BTW, if you're curious: unix.stackexchange.com/users/10544/kusalananda
It seems I was only active during three months that time. So no big deal.
08:50
@Kusalananda I see that includes a description of yourself. If I was an admin I'd probably stretch a point and tell you the email domain at least.
@Kusalananda True, it isn't.
I'm surprised you forgot you have it, though.
2163 rep points, "top 8% overall" :-)
26 answers on U&L, for example. Not exactly nothing.
50 on SO.
@FaheemMitha Well, there was about five years inbetween the two accounts.
@Kusalananda Even so. You mean you completely stopped activity on SE for 5 years?
@FaheemMitha Yes.
08:53
@Kusalananda Huh.
@FaheemMitha Life
@Kusalananda I see. :-)
 
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09:57
I've edited this answer
https://unix.stackexchange.com/posts/435705/revisions
I feel like it was a bit salty but I couldn't understand cleary what the OP mean
@Kiwy you feel hurt by "moderator" bashing ? :D
like hope moderators like apples ? what does that even mean ? is there's some kind of reference I misses here ?
The apple that Sam Gangee throw at Bill Ferny ?
"people with sticks up their buttons"?
@Archemar ho no I don't care just wanted to understand what was he was referencing to
10:00
@Archemar Well, look who's a LOTR fan.
@FaheemMitha exactly...
I'm not
well I don't mind people being salty I just wanted to understand if i'm insulted of being a child rapist or just a snobbish person
@Kiwy just a snobbish person in this case I think
@StephenKitt I think too but not knowing what the OP was referring to i can't be sure
@Kiwy Apparently you have a "tower of reputation". What's the view like from up there?
@Kiwy and I think the comments in the answer were referring to Jeff, slm and myself, not you ;-)
10:06
@FaheemMitha I've just see that... I'm either considering ignoring that or flag his comment
if we combine everything I guess we’ve all got towers of reputation stuck up our backsides
@Kiwy I'd ignore it. Life is too short.
If he says something outright offensive, flag it.
E.g. swearing at people here is generally considered over the line.
Oh wait I close (more or less) OP initial answer, reading it again I feel it doesn't add anything.
I guess I am in a tower too (not two tower ...)
@StephenKitt I guess it is because I can't delete comments :D and I don't know how to and I think the big four you terdon gilles and slm make most of the work in this area :D
@Archemar I can't consult deleted answers but as much unrealistic it is to create ACL for every single binary it is possible
still a valid answer I think
well restricted bash seems more close to solution than a rain of acl ...
10:12
I do agree but still if you want to be super extreme in every way you could play with ACL but I guess that not being realistic and certainly not exploitable in real life.
The question doesn't make much sense, imo. I'm not sure I understand what the poster is trying to do. But ACL clearly isn't the answer here, in any case.
@FaheemMitha people dreamt about security
so they want to have a root account with password I agree this is bullshitt but if this site was only about interesting relevant documented question there would be only a thousand members and it would be very sad not to see all those people trying to ask the most strangest things to finally say, what I want is that when I enter my office the light switch on automatically...
@Kiwy Actually, if you check the site activity, you'll find that there are like only a thousand members.
Nearly everyone on the site has 1 rep.
Do you get something like 10 rep for completing the Tour?
10:27
@Kusalananda No.
Ah. Just a badge then.
At least, afaik you only get rep by answering and asking questions. And editing if you are below the "can edit stuff" threshold.
ho there's a badge for the tour ?
I need it :D
The "Informed" badge I believe.
I already had this one :-(
Also what is a wiki answer ? what the point to it ? I have wrote once a wiki answer and I though I wouldn't rep out of it but I still does how does it work ?
10:37
@Kiwy It's to encourage others to make substantative edits to it, because nobody gets rep for it.
In practice it rarely seems to make a difference.
Personally I'd rather just get the rep.
11:08
@Kiwy we can’t delete comments, but flagging them for deletion is quite effective here (and the mods appreciate it, which is pretty unusual on Stack Exchange)
@Kiwy I use them when I write up an answer which is just a remix of “answers in comments”
without adding anything to it
@StephenKitt As in, Other People's Work?
@FaheemMitha yup
@derobert I've found some possible candidates for kitchen weighing scale. Namely
@FaheemMitha you can’t weigh a kitchen with that :-P
I'm leaning towards the first, namely the Soehnle KSD Page Digital Kitchen Scale, though this appears to be the Page Profi (also available on amazon.com).
@StephenKitt Huh?
Our options here are rather more limited than on Amazon, unfortunately.
The Zaap claims to be waterproof. I wonder if that is a desirable property for weighing scales. Though maybe this question would be better asked on Seasoned Advice Chat.
11:15
@FaheemMitha “kitchen weighing scale” suggests one should be able to weigh a kitchen with one, not just use it in the kitchen (and yes, I know what you mean)
@StephenKitt But waterproof
@StephenKitt What's the correct terminology?
which is really cool
@FaheemMitha “kitchen scale” AFAIK
Some of the US options are available, though outrageously overpriced.
@StephenKitt So minus the "weighing", then.
11:18
@FaheemMitha exactly
ho dear I finally search on the Internet what AFAIK mean... how did i leave that long without knowing
@StephenKitt The scale of my kitchen is 1:1, fortunately. ;-)
@Kusalananda LOL
@Kusalananda which is probably still dozens of kilos
@Kiwy As Far As I Know.
11:19
@Kiwy A few, yes.
@Kusalananda Comedy time, apparently.
@FaheemMitha Sorry...
BTW if you need a good laugh this is excellent:
this... may be the greatest story ever told
@FaheemMitha yeah I've just check and I've been reading that so at so many places without knowing what it means... I feel way better now :D
@StephenKitt Yikes. That's a whole lot of one-boxing.
@Kiwy Glad to hear it.
11:21
@Kiwy rule of thumb for construction work is one metric ton per square metre, so a typical European 10m² kitchen would weigh 10t
@StephenKitt wtf ? how do you calculate that even my fridge which is almost 1m² probably weighted 30kg maximum
@StephenKitt Twitter doesn't make it particularly easy to read stuff.
@Kiwy that includes the ceiling, walls and floor
@FaheemMitha yeah I know, I don’t have a better link
@StephenKitt ok that seems way more reasonnable
the article is funny indeed
@StephenKitt Just under one atmospheres of pressure.
11:29
@Kusalananda yes
and of course, referring to an earlier conversation here, only valid on the surface of Earth
unlike the amazing Amazon scales which work at the surface of a neutron star
@StephenKitt The best place for a kitchen!
@StephenKitt Neutron Star Scales are the best.
11:46
I is it relevant to leave an answer that just improve a little bit an already accepted answer ?
@Kiwy That answer is wrong in the sense that it says that killall is equivalent to pkill -9.
 
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14:17
I sometime wonder if Tim is a real human being.
@Archemar hah
I think not, either a bot from MIT or google or any other Three Letter Agency
Or an extra terrestrial intelligence tapping satellite link ...
14:34
Let's try not to accuse users of being bots.
Well, except Gilles. Everyone knows he's a bot.
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Is there any way to break from a case statement?
@Jesse_b From a case? When would you need to break from it?
math () {
	case $1 in
		scale)
			shift
			local scale=$1
		;;
		*)
			local equation=$@
			break
		;;
	esac
	if [[ -n $scale ]]; then
		bc<<<"scale=$scale; $equation"
	else
		bc<<<"$equation"
	fi
}
I think I can do something like shift $# instead of break though
What is the break doing?
Oooh, you want to iterate over $@?
14:39
You're not though, are you? That will just run once
I guess you'd need something like for v in "$@"; do case $v in ...
well I actually forgot another shift before esac
That will still not make the case be executed again unless I'm missing something
oh duh yea I need to put a for loop around the case
or while (($#))
yep
Or even while $1
damn it's pointless anyway
14:43
No, that won't work. The $1 ius evaluated once at the beginning, I think
But yes, that's a bit of a strange way of doing it.
I was trying to save time by not having to quote my bc math but now * will expand to the current directory contents
it sort of works though like this:
math () {
	while (( $# )); do
		case $1 in
			scale)
				shift
				local scale=$1
				shift
			;;
			*)
				local equation=$@
				shift $#
			;;
		esac
	done
	if [[ -n $scale ]]; then
		bc<<<"scale=$scale; $equation"
	else
		bc<<<"$equation"
	fi
}
$ math scale 2 5*5/100
.25
$ math scale 2 5 + 100 / 5 - 2.5
22.50
15:16
That's an interesting one: unix.stackexchange.com/questions/435779/… It should be migrated to the correct site IMHO, but I don't know which one that would be.
Either a law or general computer site.
@Archemar I I was wondering the exact same this morning
@Kusalananda the answer to either is "Not necessarily"
He's freaking asking so much question and they often end up being bad ones or very badly formulated or even terribly simple. but he looks like he's finding all newbie question of the internet to feed the site
@Kiwy he chases down details until he feels he’s understood something fully, which sometimes never happens
I find it interesting because it suggests ways people misunderstand stuff, either from bad documentation or bad design
for some value of bad
many people have similar difficulties but they don’t ask questions
@StephenKitt True, that.
15:27
Yea I disagree with most of the downvotes on his questions
@Jesse_b You have quite a number of good comments on questions. You should take the time to write answers.
@Kusalananda agreed, I often feel those comments would make good enough answers as-is
@Kusalananda A lot of times when I comment it's because I'm not sure if it's correct
other times it would end up a one sentence answer which I think is bad practice
@Jesse_b the problem with that is (a) that if it is correct, the OP can’t accept it, and (b) if it’s not, no one can downvote it
@StephenKitt I suppose.
15:34
there’s a meta question on the topic
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Q: How should we deal with question answered in the comments?

polemonI recently found this: Is it possible to convert audio to midi with the shell? As you can see, the person actually leading to the answer, used the comments section to provide his answer, instead of posting a actual answer-post. The person who asked the question, then added an answer based on wh...

@Jesse_b ... and then someone like me will come along and turn it into an answer instead.
@Kusalananda Probably for the best, you can explain things better than I can :-)
@Kusalananda so that’s how you got the and gold badges ;-)
15:58
@StephenKitt Hush now.
@Jesse_b You're selling yourself short.
@Kusalananda eh, I think I can explain some things well but I am lacking a lot of experience. I have only really been exposed to *nix heavily for a year or so now
@FaheemMitha Hmmm, no idea about those in particular, but (a) if the tare button is on the weighing platform, can be bloody hard to tare the scale w/o putting any extra weight on it; (b) make sure whatever you want to weigh doesn't block the display — common issue with compact scales.
16:56
@derobert The Page Profi has some kind of hold function. For 10 seconds?
Not really following (a). "tare the scale w/o putting any extra weight on it"?
@FaheemMitha press the tare button without the press itself contributing weight to the tare
@terdon There's no concensus about that. He might be an alien, or a gesalt entity. Or an alien gesalt entity.
@StephenKitt The press would contribute weight? I don't understand.
@FaheemMitha the action of pressing the button
Doesn't the weight adjustment happen over some period of time, as opposed to instantaneously?
@StephenKitt Yes, I understood what you mean by that.
@FaheemMitha some modern scales do it too fast
16:59
@StephenKitt Oh.
so for example on the kitchen scales I have, I get more reliable results by switching the scales off and back on instead of using the tare button
the scales tare themselves on boot
@StephenKitt How does that help? The tare button is to cancel out additional weight that you don't want to measure, right?
@StephenKitt Oh, I see. Is that a standard feature?
I might wander over to the Seasoned Advice Chat and ask for advice/opinions.
I doubt kitchen scales are on topic on the site, and even if they were, I don't have a clearly formulated question.
@FaheemMitha it seems fairly common on “digital” scales
@StephenKitt I see. What's your experience of these things longevity?
@FaheemMitha pretty good, but I’ve only had two in ~ 20 years so my experience is definitely anecdotal
17:03
The Soehnle's have 5 year warranties in Europe, but 1 year in India.
I think India should feel slighted.
@FaheemMitha The whole glass top is the weighing platform (probably) which looks like where the tare button is. The button is probably capacitive so doesn't need much pressure, but it's hard not to add at least a few grams when pressing it
@StephenKitt That's a pretty good run. What's the make and model?
@FaheemMitha the first one was a Terraillon, the current one is a Soehnle
I don’t know the models off the top of my head
@StephenKitt Some scales don't like that — if you start them up with more than a few grams on them, they display an error
@derobert The Soehnle KSD Fiesta doesn't have the tare button on the glass platform.
The other two look like they do.
@StephenKitt Which was the 20 yr one?
17:06
@FaheemMitha I’ve had two in 20 years, the Terraillon lasted 10 years and the Soehnle’s been going for 10 years and is still going strong
(And tare is more useful than just zeroing out the weight of the bowl. Measure ingredient 1, tare, measure ingredient 2, tare, etc.)
@StephenKitt Ah, 10+10.
Is Soehnle a well-known European brand?
@derobert yes, and I agree about the usefulness, I was just talking about a workaround
@FaheemMitha yes
@derobert Yes, I see. So you can measure each ingredient individually?
@FaheemMitha Well, so you can use only one bowl. Without having to do the math yourself.
17:07
@StephenKitt I'm inclined to go with them. They have stellar reviews. And on Amazon (US) too.
@derobert The math doesn't look so hard. I could probably survive it.
Of course, it could be a distraction.
To return to a question I asked earlier, it is useful for the scale to be waterproof?
That seems like a selling point of the Zaap.
Then again, if you think something is waterproof, you might be tempted to abuse it.
And easy to make a mistake. You have 173 grams showing, need to add another 58 grams of something... Its far easier to hit tare and measure to 58 than remember to measure to 231.
@derobert Ah, right. You've got multiple increments to keep track of.
(Of course, you can re-write recipes to deal with that, as long as you can tare out the container weight.)
@FaheemMitha Mine aren't waterproof, never had a problem with it. Of course, I always put a bowl/plate/etc. on the scale, not food directly.
@derobert Well, I assume it's with regard to washing the thing.
Damp paper towel is all I've ever needed. But yeah, you have to be a bit careful not to spill stuff on it.
17:11
I think for example Page Profi is probably not waterproof, so maybe the expectation is just that it will be wiped down.
It's got a glass covering. Which I hope is not breakable.
@derobert How does the Page Profi look to you?
That's the one that is called the Soehnle KSD Page Digital Kitchen Scale here, for some reason.
But it's the same model number. And the seller said it was the same thing.
They didn't say why they are calling it something else. Maybe just one of those Indian mysteries.
I like the fact that it's relatively big, and can handle 15kg.
Though that's clearly more than one would need in a normal kitchen.
But it could be used to weigh other things. And it still has increments of 1g, which is nice.
I suppose it's still breakable, though.
@FaheemMitha That has the tare button on weighing surface issue
I have a sickness of the soul
@derobert It does. But it that a real problem?
Maybe it takes it down over some period of time?
I haven't used that scale, possibly they've found a solution... I've used one my parents have with a similar design, and its a pain. Not insurmountable...
From your POV, that would be a selling point of the Fiesta.
Since it has a separate glass platform, though smaller. 15 cm x 15 cm, according to the documentation.
17:18
Yeah, but I expect my scales to do a fair bit of precision work... Possibly you don't care about 5g.
(I mean, there is a reason I have the centigram scale...)
@derobert Possibly not. Unless I decide to weigh postage stamps. Or maybe letters. But it doesn't come up much.
What do you do precision work for?
@StephenKitt Here is an extract from a review about the hold function:
> The hold function works perfect. You press hold, a beep sound indicates that it is on hold mode. Place item on the scale, another beep sound indicates that the reading is ready. Then you can remove the item and see the reading.
@FaheemMitha Salt, yeast are often in single-digits grams. Various food additives, too (like the sodium citrate I was ordering a few weeks ago). Some are in the <1g range (like the SHMP). And spices are often <1g.
Which is reassuring, multiple grammatical errors notwithstanding.
@derobert I asked my cook why he doesn't measure stuff. He asked me whether he should measure vegetables, in an accusing tone.
As though I was suggesting he do something improper or indecent.
I think he belongs to the "throw in handfuls of stuff and then stir" school.
So when making bread, I'll expect it to measure a few hundred g for flour, water; few tens of grams of fat, sugar, milk powder, etc; and <10g of salt, yeast.
@FaheemMitha Nothing wrong with that for things you can taste as you go...
@derobert You don't find spoons work well for that, then?
@derobert I don't think he actually tastes anything.
Are you familiar with the Soehnle line of scales?
17:24
@FaheemMitha Easier to work entirely in weight than convert back and forth. Though I do use spoons for spices often.
@derobert More precise, too.
@FaheemMitha That is a problem, then!
@derobert It can be.
A lot of things you can get away with eyeballing the ingredient amounts. How much onion goes in that stew? One big-ish onion. It doesn't matter that much. How much salt? Until it tastes right...
So basically the problem with the pare button is that it can add a few grams to the weight if it's on the weighing platform?
17:27
@FaheemMitha yes
yeah, or at least that's been my experience with a similarly-designed scale
I'll see if the reviews say anything. The US ones, that is.
Unusually, the Soehnles are actually cheaper here than in the US.
The Fiesta is from around $90 on Amazon.
And another identical looking one for around $50. Which is confusing.
Wow, that's expensive!
@derobert It is? Oh yes, I forgot. Americans can buy everything cheap.
Well, electric/electronic stuff.
17:35
All the bestseller scales on Amazon are under $20 with stellar reviews.
I don't know about scales but oxo is my favorite brand for kitchen stuff
Those three are the top picks (in order posted) from Cooks Illustrated...
amazon.com/dp/B0007GAWSC ... what I have, but it was $25 when I got it. And the $13 Ozeri is probably just as good...
(Mine is from August 2009)
The Amazon India has Oxo's too. But they are mostly very expensive.
If it ever breaks, I'll probably upgrade...
(I mean, 5kg x 0.1g would be great, though that's more like $200...)
17:41
@derobert Fancy.
I wonder whether it's worth while asking Seasoned Advice about it.
Or just buy the Page Profi.
@derobert Do you do a lot of cooking? It sounds like you do.
@FaheemMitha fried hard drives with chianti
@StephenKitt Sounds like something out of "Silence of the Lambs".
@FaheemMitha exactly
@FaheemMitha When I'm not being lazy...
@StephenKitt Oh, that was an intentional reference...
17:45
@FaheemMitha You could, especially on the chat room
@derobert I'm always lazy.
@FaheemMitha well, you've apparently hired someone to do your cooking for you...
@derobert I just had in mind the chat room. Would a question about scales be on topic on the site?
@derobert My mother did. He's still working for us, the poor bastard.
Excuse the language.
@FaheemMitha With enough details, I think so. But not just a general "recommend a scale"
@derobert Um. Any suggestions about what details to ask for?
17:49
@FaheemMitha I think you just want recommend a kitchen scale — or possibly how do these few look...
@derobert Correct.
Which probably won't fly on SA. They'll show me the door. Possibly with pitying scorn.
But I mean if you needed something with some specific set of weird features, then that'd probably be on-topic for the site. Which you don't.
So you can ask on chat.
@derobert Correct, I don't.
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A: Can I ask a recommendation question?

AaronutFirst of all, thank you for asking here on meta first - I know that the rules seem to be rather inconsistent between various Stack Exchanges. The simple answer is no, however, most of the time, that's not what you really want. Anybody can recommend their favourite products, but when all is said...

So I guess you might get away with what should I look for when purchasing a scale...
It's nice when someone new steps in and writes what looks like extremely well-informed answers: unix.stackexchange.com/a/435826/116858
17:55
@Kusalananda Wow, 21 rep?
A Star is Born. Possibly.
A star with no avatar.
Maybe Gilles spawned a child bot.
> I'll start by saying that this question very broad and shows very little original research, and that this answer shouldn't be seen as an encouragement of that type of question, but I don't have the site rep to comment, downvote, or report.
Don't often get someone saying something like that. :-)
No, don't often see it, and it really ought to be removed from the answer...
Well, or at least the bits about insufficient rep/etc.
@derobert It does seem a little judgy.
A warning that you really ought to do more research before attempting malware analysis is reasonable.
@derobert Yes, I could give the "what should I look for" thing a try, if it isn't there already.
I didn't search to see if someone else has already asked that.
18:05
@derobert Doesn't look like they did.
@derobert Do you think they would have a problem with Amazon links in the question?
Sigh. This user now has three unregistered accounts and comments by adding answers: unix.stackexchange.com/questions/435794/… What's the boilerplate text to add to that?
(the comment-answers were converted into real comments by Michael)
@FaheemMitha Well, if you're asking what to look for, it's probably not relevant.
But I'd just ask on the Frying Pan first...
You can always write it up in to a question (and maybe even a self-answered one) then.
@derobert Well, I've already written a question. Should I delete it? I can always edit it.
How about I post it and you can tell me what you think?
I guess if you've already written it, go ahead and post it. Worst someone can do is downvote it.
@derobert Horrors!
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Q: What to look for in a kitchen scale?

Faheem MithaI'm thinking of buying a modern, probably electronic kitchen scale, to replace my really ancient mechanical one. I'm located in Bombay, India. I'm wondering what considerations should inform my decision. After a brief discussion on U&L Stack Exchange chat, here were some points of discussion. ...

It's a bit rough, but what the hell...
18:18
Yeah, probably good enough to start. People can always leave comments.
18:56
@derobert Well, one answer so far.
But I've got to wonder, if the flat surface is such a problem, why are they popular?
Hmm, maybe time for some chocolate.
19:33
Exciting. My first upvote on Seasoned Advice.
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