By your comments I greatly improved my project. I still think I did some shitty job with the naming of the directories per their context. Someone wants to criticize the naming of my directories?

github.com/benqzq/ulcwe

Hello people ^^

@Junaga Hello person!

I think I haven't been in this chat for like half a year lol

terdon StephenKitt hey guys^^ how are you? :D

Hi @Junaga

Hey :D long time no see

how are you?^^

@Junaga Who, me?

yep, I duno if you remember me^^ was never really a huge member of the site xd

Hello everyone,

I've just seen a question with so much debug and no upvote

I know that some of you have still plenty of upvote today and we should encourage those type of question.

@Kiwy For me, personally, there is a bit of a threshold to pass over with questions like these. When the user provides tat amount of information, I need to read it all. If I'm not up for that, I may choose to look at other questions. In this particular case though, it's not my topic, so I wouldn't understand half of what the user says.

... and I don't generally upvote questions that I don't understand.

@Kusalananda That's fair, but I know some member of the chat here who are in favor of more upvote upon good question even if it's not necessarily there area

@Junaga I'm still alive. I've been better, though.

Hi @Kiwy. How are you doing? Long time no see.

@Kiwy if you don't understand a question well enough to know if it's a good question, how can you upvote it? verbosity does not necessarily equal quality, and conciseness in describing a problem is also a virtue.

@FaheemMitha Very good and you, I come n go, I will probably hang a bit more here now.

@cas I agree to all of that. And that question is very long, and full of technical details. It looks like it makes sense, but without a careful read, how can one be sure?

@cas Well in this case I can't help because I nothing like competent with IPSec Deamon he's using but all the basic stuff you need for a vpn debug are there, IPTables, route ping traceroute... He already done a few debug and explain it As far as I'm concern that's someone who puts a lot of effort in just asking his question and should be rewarded for it;

@cas In questions, not answers, verbosity ιs often at the very least a sign of effort and effort is one of the things we upvote. I tend to agree with @Kiwy here, I will often upvote a question simply because the OP has given a lot of information since that usually indicates they've done their homework and aren't just expecting us to do everything for them.

Not always, granted, but often.

I won't vote on answers if I don't understand them, but you can usually tell if a question is good simply by looking the the effort and information provided even if you don't know enough about the question's subject.

@terdon :D after all those years you ain't change a bit...

:)

@terdon hope you're doing well btw

Fine, thanks. And you?

Very well indeed

@terdon A lengthy post can also be simply gibberish. It's hard to tell the difference between sense and nonsense, especially in technical material, without reading carefully.

The presence of so many crappy papers in scientific journals is testament to the fact that many don't read carefully.

C++ post was migrated even though it lacked essential info. stackoverflow.com/questions/48812549/…

@Kusalananda I think vote-based migrations to SO are automatic

once the required number of votes has been reached, the question is migrated, so moderators don’t get a chance to catch poor questions

@StephenKitt Yes, I know they are.

There were 4 migration votes and my close (unclear) vote.

@Kusalananda including my migration vote IIRC

@StephenKitt I don't judge individual voters, so that perfectly ok.

heh

Well, SO might close it if they feel it lacking.

@StephenKitt BTW, do you happen to know if there was ever an echo that would reproduce the actual quotes in echo "$variable"?

@Kusalananda yes, that tends to be my thought when a question is a migration candidate for SO — they’re quite capable of dealing with such questions ;-)

@Kusalananda I imagine DOS echo doesn’t count

(it echoes quotes)

I sat with some ancient shell code yesterday that had lots of stuff like ( set -f; echo $variable | sed '...' ).

(but often with backticks instead of the () and assigning the output to a variable (I can't ever get the backticks right here))

weird

I suspect Stéphane Chazelas or Jörg Schilling would know

It was an installation shell script for a database system called SAS.

It also read an ini-style config file and eval-ed lines that were assignments... I managed to get it to output random strings and create files just by tacking on extra shell code in the config :-/

There we go :)

@mattdm Congratulations!

is tldp.org down for anyone else?

eh, comes up after a barrage of refreshes

@Jesse_b Wow, there are still people reading TLDP?

@FaheemMitha Probably the second best place to go for bash reference materials

@Jesse_b Oh? Is it still kept up to date?

@FaheemMitha I'm not sure but scripting concepts in bash haven't really changed much I don't think

I know it has guides on associative arrays and some things added in more recent versions

But that particular has fragmented over so many places, I'm not sure how active it is now.

@FaheemMitha I just use it for the "advanced bash scripting guide" (rarely though, usually the bash manual is enough)

@Jesse_b Ok. So good guide?

@FaheemMitha I think so. It has a lot of examples which I sometimes need rather than just the matter-of-fact GNU reference material

@Jesse_b How does it compare to that site that #bash recommends?

which #bash?

@Jesse_b The IRC channel. Freenode, I think.

@FaheemMitha Ah, I've never used it