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Michael Homer

08:20

This question has been marked as a duplicate notwithstanding that most of the close votes were for other reasons:

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Q: GitHub: Change EOLs of all Bash and extensionless files in the entire account from Windows to Nix

I have many GitHub repositories that are mainly comprised of Bash, JavaScript, and PHP files. There some repositories with Rich Text Format (rtf), csv and other extensions. Virtually all projects in my account include a varied amount of Bash files (such as myFile.sh), and a few extensionless fil...

I think that is a flaw in the process.

Stephen Kitt

@MichaelHomer agreed; what I find particularly annoying in some cases is that all the participants end up associated with whatever close reason ends up being displayed, regardless of how they voted

Michael Homer

Indeed. At least it could show multiple reasons, or something, but in this case it isn't really a duplicate at all.

shirish

09:41

can somebody help me with unix.stackexchange.com/questions/422885/menus-mkv-file-and-mpv

just read up on the above, from the tone it suggests that bsd is/was bad but then for security most of the userland security tools come from bsd userland.

or am I understanding something different ?

Kusalananda

11:06

@shirish BSDs has a reputation of being "bad" or "unfriendly". This usually comes from Linux users who does not understand BSD, or from users that needs all the latest features now. In fact, this reputation is IMHO not well deserved. BSDs are different, yes, and a lot of bleeding edge security features and tools are developed on e.g. OpenBSD first before being ported to the other BSDs and to Linux. In the end, you use the tool that fits your needs.

For most people this appears to be Linux, either because that's what they were first introduced to, or because the utilities that they need to use were specifically written for Linux (this is why we currently use Ubuntu at work, for example).

Faheem Mitha

11:34

@Kusalananda Hardware support is a big deal in practice, as someone mentioned above. cas?

Kusalananda

@FaheemMitha That totally depends on the hardware. But yes, you probably want something that runs on the hardware that you just bought.

Faheem Mitha

@Kusalananda Historically Linux has had better hardware support than the BSDs. So if you are using the BSDs you have less choice about what hardware you use.

I don't know if this changed recently - it might have. I haven't been keeping current in recent years. Once I used to take more interest in this.

Kusalananda

@FaheemMitha Again, that totally depends on the hardware.

"NetBSD/rs6000 is a port of NetBSD to the IBM RS/6000 class of MCA-based PowerPC machines. It's the first free Operating System to run on this class of machines."

Faheem Mitha

@Kusalananda I'm talking about general consumer class hardware.

Kusalananda

@FaheemMitha Of course.

Faheem Mitha

11:42

@Kusalananda Where is that quote from?

Kusalananda

wiki.netbsd.org/ports/rs6000

Faheem Mitha

So Debian doesn't have a port for those machines?

Kusalananda

I wouldn't know.

Faheem Mitha

@Kusalananda ok

Jesse_b

13:26

@MichaelHomer I voted it a duplicate because ultimately his question was "What is the fastest way to change EOL conversions"

He was asking for a way to do it through github, which is off topic IMO but his goal was "Fastest way to convert EOL conversions"

And I'm fairly certain he actually said "Either through github or by other means"

shirish

13:45

FWIW most people, what we are able to get are off-the-shelf hardware. I hardly doubt that IBM will see RS/6000 class of MCA-based PowerPC machines to individuals or even that individuals will know how to use, I mean the everyday joe.

such workstations are used in specific environments for specific workloads and are suited for that.

What most of us users is want to have something that is concrete, can be used without necessarily needing to compile and make it easy availability. Better yet, if a company can give you debian pre-installed and works and give 3-5 years on hardware, lot more people will use it.

It possibly might be a bit cheaper too.

Jeff Schaller

14:55

I don't visit SO much any more, but there's an interesting Meta question I'm reading now -- meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/363051/…

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Kusalananda

17:50

@JeffSchaller Now that's a good idea IMO.

Jeff Schaller

18:29

@Kusalananda I scanned it too quickly to get it into my head, but my kneejerk response would be: if we could get something similar for U&L ("please provide sample input & output, if you are manipulating files"), it might save some effort

I also like that includes some of the "how to ask smart questions" hints

JBallin

i was thinking of trying out oh-my-zsh. it's trustworthy right?

Kusalananda

@JeffSchaller As long as the template does not become too wordy (then it's not a template any more). There is already a "How to ask" box to the right when you open the ask question form...

The SO template there has at least the most essential bits.

Jeff Schaller

@Kusalananda anything's gotta be better than the blank window we have. I'm assuming it'd even be an option for us!?! I'd be in favor of some barebones "asking a good question" guidelines.

@JBallin I've never used it; my only experience with it has been here on the U&L site where I see comments to the effect of "try removing oh-my-zsh and try again"

Kusalananda

@JBallin I've never used it because I'm not on zsh. Do a search on the main site for it. It may even have its own tag.

JBallin

sounds good thanks guys!

Kusalananda

18:42

@JBallin Tag search link: unix.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/oh-my-zsh

JBallin

how'd you choose bash over zsh?

Jeff Schaller

@Kusalananda indeed: what's your goal? what'd you try? what'd you expect? what'd you get? I might even add something like "what OS does this need to work on?" and "does the solution need to use or avoid certain utilities?". needs more thinking.

Kusalananda

@JeffSchaller Really good! But some users don't know a Linux from another, or assumes everything works everywhere, so maybe "what Unix or Linux distribution are you using?"

Well, that's almost what you had already I see now.

Jeff Schaller

@Kusalananda great point; even just getting them to say (since it's an assumption) that they are on Linux

I'd ask a Meta question of our own, but I don't know if it's an option. I suppose the first question would be "do we want this?" followed by "can we have this?"

Kusalananda

@JBallin It's a matter of taste and what one has gotten used to over the years. I use ksh interactively and mostel sh for scripting, or bash if I need to use extended features and can't use ksh for one reason or another.

Jeff Schaller

18:47

I do love stealing good ideas, though :) (SO is where my multi-monitor/dual-monitor mini-crusade came from)

Kusalananda

:-)

It's good for the Community.

JBallin

well if i havent used either extensively, which would you recommend getting into

i have a pretty basic bash_profile that's "good enough" but this is kind of interesting: gist.github.com/kevin-smets/8568070

Kusalananda

@JBallin "Get into" (learn deeply) whatever one you are currently using! That, and the standard sh POSIX shell.

Jeff Schaller

@JBallin it's hard to ignore several of our power user's using zsh (Stephane, Gilles)

Kusalananda

... and learn to tell the difference between them too.

Jeff Schaller

18:49

My 2 cents would be to use what you will commonly find, so that you're comfortable in as many environments as possible. zsh may or may not be installed everywhere

Kusalananda

That's a good one.

@JeffSchaller It's not. Not even bash is installed everywhere by default.

sh is everywhere that I know of though.

Sucks for interactive use though :-)

Well... that's exaggerating it. It's quite usable interactively too.

Not "cool" like zsh though.

Jeff Schaller

If I was to make your life more complicated, I'd say to find a shell for interactive use that supports you; if you like arrays or other features present in other shells, use those for scripting, and for more complicated tasks, consider programming languages like perl, python, C, etc.

depends on your goals, I suppose

user/coder/administrator

Kusalananda

Seconded.

Jeff Schaller

Look at that, QWERTY and DVORAK agreeing on something ;)

JBallin

im actually just using the command line for git mainly

i thought i might as well make it look "sexy"

Jeff Schaller

18:56

I've seen some people here putting some variations of git status' in their prompt; that may be useful

JBallin

yea i have a basic git status

shows me which branch i'm on

Kusalananda

I don't really care for stuff like that. My PS1 is a simple [\h] \W \$ in OpenBSD's ksh (e.g. [box] ~ $ ).

Jeff Schaller

I don't know what zsh has for command history features, if you find yourself repeating (or slightly adjusting) previous commands

@Kusalananda oh now I feel fancy with "\u@\h:$PWD"

I suppose my opinions are colored from dealing with UNIXes of various flavors, so I don't spend a lot of brain energy customizing my experience; there's "more important" work to do :)

Kusalananda

@JeffSchaller Install enough machines or have enough accounts in various places and it becomes a bit tedious, yes.

Jeff Schaller

A more homogenous environment allows more customization, and that's the beauty of UNIX -- there's more than one to do it

Kusalananda

19:01

@JeffSchaller "there's more than one to do it" :-)

Jeff Schaller

@Kusalananda oh dear. It takes two to tango, but there's more than one way to do it

see, no brain power to spare here!

(waiting for: "if you only used DVORAK, you could have typed all the words you wanted quickly enough for your fingers to get them out before your brain moved on"

) ## closing paren

Kusalananda

@JeffSchaller Took enough effort for me to reach over all the way to V for pasting that in...

The oeu keys are still giving me a hard time. I leave "Tho" and similar words everywhere...

Jeff Schaller

@Kusalananda oh wow! I just googled dvorak layout and the first hit was midway down on Wikipedia's page where they show the numbers out-of-order. That'd be extra mind-bending.

Dvorak Simplified Keyboard

The Dvorak Simplified Keyboard ( ( listen) d(ə)-VOR-ak) is a keyboard layout patented during 1936 by Dr. August Dvorak and his brother-in-law, Dr. William Dealey. Several modifications have since been designed by the team directed by Dvorak or by ANSI. These variations have been collectively or individually termed the Simplified Keyboard or American Simplified Keyboard, but they all have come to be known commonly as the Dvorak keyboard or Dvorak layout. Dvorak proponents claim the layout requires less finger motion and reduces errors compared to the standard QWERTY keyboard arrangement. It is claimed...

Kusalananda

@JeffSchaller Yeah, I don't do that though. Enough is enough.

Jeff Schaller

"For example, the words per minute (WPM) of authors and writers has not seen a noticeable increase, since thinking speed is a much larger factor than writing speed.[citation needed] "

Kusalananda

19:10

I use the simplified version with some Swedish characters under ',. and é under e (under = together with AltGr).

@JeffSchaller That's entirely possible, although in my case I unlearned bad habits from having used qwerty (that I had when using qwerty), and I believe that I'm now faster with dvorak than what I was with qwerty. I catch my self touch typing nowadays, which I never used to do before.

Still a bit sloppy with what keys I press sometimes though.

Jeff Schaller

@Kusalananda I didn't realize that you weren't to touch-typing speed with it already (assumption).

I'm misled by your extensive answers here :)

Kusalananda

@JeffSchaller I have stiff joints in my hands, and my fingers aren't always cooperative.

Jeff Schaller

@Kusalananda sorry to hear!

Kusalananda

I get by anyway. And I take breaks.

Jeff Schaller

whew, I've just spent 10 minutes trying to get Alt-Gr working on this (work-provided) Windows 10 laptop, and failed. First amusement was here where the first answer suggested updating the Mouse driver (!).

Michael Homer

19:27

@Jesse_b Yeah, it was a pretty reasonable vote at the start, but the question turned out to be asking something different (all repositories, maybe git-specific, etc), so it's not really a duplicate and 3/5 votes were for other reasons. I just take issue with the way the close-vote system works (not for the first time...). They've deleted it now anyway so I suppose it's moot.

Jesse_b

@MichaelHomer ah, ignore me then lol. I wasn't aware it had changed.

Kusalananda

@JeffSchaller On my Windows 10 laptop I think I used something called "Keyboard Layout Creator 1.4" to modify the closest looking keymap to what I needed.

Jeff Schaller

@Kusalananda it was in the non-intuitive Settings - Time & Language (???) - Region & Language - (click on English) - Options - Add a keyboard: "US-International"

(Windows-key) + Space then cycles among the keyboards

I noticed Dvorak layouts among the options there

Kusalananda

19:44

@JeffSchaller Yes, there's one, but I made a copy of it and modified it. It was a bit too basic.

I'll never learn where to find what in the Windows configs. It's always been a bit messy IMHO, with multiple programs for managing seemingly the same settings.

I tried to find my MAC address once. I gave up and asked my router for it instead :-)

Jeff Schaller

@Kusalananda indeed; I often say I lost track of Windows around the 3.1 era; now I just ask Windows help or Google (or, more frequently, give up)

appears ipconfig /all may do it

Faheem Mitha

23:08

Hi folks.

@JeffSchaller I agree with @Kusalananda. Templates are definitely a good idea. I'm surprised they aren't in general use in SE already.

Fabby

23:50

@Pandya Hrmpf... No clue without more monitoring then...

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