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01:04
@Fabby No, I have not posted it on site. And how do I provide stats that can be useful to identify the problem?
 
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08:00
Huh @Kusalananda shame about
(the question being deleted I mean)
@StephenKitt Yes. I voted to undelete it.
@Kusalananda same here
It's a good question, but it lacks example.
@Kusalananda right, and it could do with clarification: does the OP want the last field, or the sixth?
I’m guessing the sixth field is the last but the implications are obviously different (well, obviously when one knows the answer)
@StephenKitt I'm assuming "last".
08:11
@Kusalananda that’s what I reckoned based on your answer ;-)
 
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12:58
0
Q: Failure to boot after running bash script

ScottFI just recently ran a bash script that froze up my Linux mint machine, and I had no choice but to hold power key to perform a hard power off. Now my machine will not boot. I have no clue if the bash script did something, the hard reset did something, or it is just coincidence and my harddrive d...

I think that question potentially off topic as a problem that cannot be reproduced, however what if it were modified slightly to ask about the errors the user is seeing and what they mean? Could help someone else identify a hard drive failure in the future
13:18
s/question/question is/
13:32
I got a question about centos
Where did you get it from?
lvm lvresize /dev/dm-1 -L +256M
It keeps saying lvresize is not a valid command
what do you get if you run: lvm help lvresize
[root@oracledb oracle]# lvm help lvresize
  lvresize - Resize a logical volume

  Resize an LV by a specified size.
  lvresize -L|--size [+|-]Size[m|UNIT] LV
        [ -l|--extents [+|-]Number[PERCENT] ]
        [ -r|--resizefs ]
        [    --poolmetadatasize [+]Size[m|UNIT] ]
        [ COMMON_OPTIONS ]
        [ PV ... ]
I get the same...odd
13:38
[root@oracledb oracle]# swapon -s
Filename                                Type            Size    Used    Priority
/dev/dm-1                               partition       1679356 0       -1
[root@oracledb oracle]# lvresize  -L +256M /dev/dm-1
  "/dev/dm-1": Invalid path for Logical Volume.
  Run `lvresize --help' for more information.
I have very limited experience with lvm so I don't think I could be of very much help
Damn
I'll just run it without the prerequesite stack size
why does it need double my ram size anyways
I wonder if the volume is just /dev though
[root@JBCLAMP001 ~]# swapon -s
Filename                                Type            Size    Used    Priority
/dev/swap                               partition       4194304 0       -1
[root@JBCLAMP001 ~]# df | grep /dev
/dev/zfsds0     26740355 4648621  22091734  18% /
devtmpfs         4194304  780872   3413432  19% /dev
tmpfs            4194304  780872   3413432  19% /dev/shm
[root@JBCLAMP001 ~]# mount | grep /dev
/dev/zfs on / type zfs (rw)
devtmpfs on /dev type devtmpfs (rw)
tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
well something other than /dev/dm-1 anyway
no but oracle complains about the partition /dm-1
So I don't think it has to do with my /dev because there's multiple partitions on there
But thank you anyways :) I just force ignored the warning now and the install is running fine so far
 
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15:34
@StephenKitt does iOS even qualify as a unix? it's even less unix-like than android and that barely qualifies because it includes most of the standard tools (or, at least toybox versions of them).
16:16
@Jesse_b hah, I'd at least use the terminal line drawing characters instead.... then you could get a true line...
That is an innovative way of generating n -'s, though.
@derobert Wasn't mine :p One of my coworkers actually came up with it but I have been using it since. I like to add lines to break things up when I'm spitting large amounts of info at the terminal
And by came up with it I mean he found it somewhere online likely
BTW, found out which politician considered himself too important to travel like normal people... Local paper reported it was Trump.
So not only is he destroying the country, he made my lunch cold! Definitely have to vote him out! Cold lunch is intolerable!
:-P
I think he doesn't really have a choice in the matter. Whenever I think of how presidents are required to have secret service escorts for life I actually think of that as sort of a burden
Can't ever do something stupid without being seen and judged
@Jesse_b I think they're only required to have them in the office. And rumor had it that Clinton was good at dodging them...
@derobert Ah they only get secret service for 10 years after leaving office
it was for life until 1997
It kind of makes sense though, they are still a high profile target holding national secrets
16:32
Sure, but cold lunch is still annoying. And I guess I understand why they don't announce it in advance. Maybe he should just have his meetings at the White House instead :-/
I supposed. I would be way more upset about the traffic, but I am excruciatingly boring about my lunch. I am happy eating the same cold cut sandwich every day indefinitely
Sure, if its supposed to be a cold sandwich. But if it was supposed to be hot...
Alright well I guess we better start throwing hot lunches in the bay then :p
we can form a new political faction called the "Hot Lunch Party"
Also what kind of lunch was it? Some things aren't so bad cold. Like pizza, or meatball subs
16:41
Nachos...
I want nachos now :p
You have reminded me that it's likely been over a year since I have had some.
That's definitely something you should fix.
In fact I haven't went to any Mexican restaurants since I moved to Denver and this place is supposedly famous for Mexican food.
16:44
I hope no one has chained you up in a basement....
Or otherwise imprisoned you... Trying to come up with an explanation here!
Only myself. I have no filter so I try to avoid interaction with people.
I also am not a fan of dining out. I enjoy the food but am not comfortable being waited on. I much prefer a buffet style diner but at the same time they are so unsanitary.
@derobert Maybe he just didn't feel like nachos till now.
@Jesse_b I bet they have takeout. As long as no politician impedes your journey :-D
@derobert We don't need politicians to cause traffic in Denver. I have a theory that the massive influx of people from all over the nation has caused some sort of a traffic phenomenon due to all the different driving styles being thrown together.
But I am also from NJ so I am naturally over critical of the way people drive. The accelerator should be on the floor or you should be a passenger :-P
I thought that was the one thing everyone agreed on — "everyone else on the road is a terrible driver"
16:50
That's true and probably extends to way more than just driving. We are all overly critical of each other. I still think it's worse here though with no evidence to back it up :p. Maybe it's the mountains too. Most people here will ride their brakes the entire way down a steep hill which is the worst thing you could ever do and it forces the people behind them to also ride their brakes
so now you have a bunch of multiple ton steel missiles building momentum and heating up their brakes, if you actually had to stop at the bottom of the hill you wont be able to
What... you don't like boiling brake fluid?
I will lay down on my horn if I am behind those people, and then they always look at me like they have no idea what I'm mad about
Nah, they're probably just far away enough from NJ that they don't know what a horn is.
Heh well that is something I don't miss about NJ. Someone is honking their horn 100ms before the light turns green because you haven't floored it yet
Folks from the northeast are clearly the country's experts at using the horn constantly!
16:55
@derobert It's illegal to honk your horn in Japan unless it is clearly for the purpose of avoiding an accident.
Judging from anime, they only have horns for truck drivers to announce its pedestrian murdering time
@derobert I've never had any desire to watch anime until now
17:08
@Jesse_b Does Denver have lots of traffic?
@FaheemMitha Not as bad as I make it out to be for sure. There are just minor inefficiencies, like people braking downhill and especially people being extremely rude at any merge spot. People will speed up to not let you in almost every time.
@Jesse_b Don't you need to use brakes going down a steep hill?
@FaheemMitha Only if you want to ensure you have no brakes at the bottom.
@Jesse_b Yes, but without brakes won't you speed up out of control?
I don't have much experience with steep inclines.
@FaheemMitha Not really, rolling resistance is real. If you just let off the gas you are not going to continuously increase speed. Your car will reach a certain speed and level off, and so far in my experience it's rarely over the posted speed limit
17:11
@Jesse_b oh. Even on a steep hill?
On steeper hills, you need to downshift (e.g., back to 2nd or 1st gear). That'll keep you from going insanely fast on any reasonable hill.
What are the speed limits on steep inclines where you are? I wouldn't want to go fast down a steep hill.
@FaheemMitha I suppose it depends on how steep the hill is, but once you overheat your brakes the first time you will learn a valuable lesson
@derobert Good point. But doesn't that put stress on the gears?
Also what derobert said about downshifting
17:13
They're well lubricated. And designed for it.
Marginally if you have an automatic and not at all if you have a manual
It puts no strain on your engine though
which many people think
And far better than breaks overheating!
@Jesse_b @derobert Ok, I see.
@FaheemMitha it's not something you have to do for small hills, but they no doubt have hills you're traveling down for miles...
But can you switch to 1st of 2nd if you have an automatic?
17:14
I've luckily only overheated my brakes while offroading in the mountains. I was being a child and drifting around the curvy turns and what not, using my brakes often. When I got to the bottom of the mountain the pedal went all the way to the floor and had almost no affect on deceleration
Mine can at least. Not sure if all automatics have a low gear setting, probably.
I would recommend 3rd
@derobert I see.
@Jesse_b Why?
Depends on how fast you want to go... The higher the gear, the faster you'll coast down hill.
Well it depends on the speed limit and how many gears you have I guess. My 4runner is a 4 speed automatic and the speed limits around here are normally 75MPH (120KPH). 2nd gear I can only go like 45MPH
17:17
I guess his must be fairly straight. The only ones I've seen around here (and not even that close) have switchbacks in them and in 3rd you'd fly off the road.
@derobert Yeah I will drop to 2nd on a back road or winding mountain pass, but I normally come to a complete stop and shift into 2nd first because I have heard from a few reliable sources that shifting an automatic does put additional strain (although marginal) on your transmission
engineering explained on youtube for one
Or I guess you could install racing brakes on your car. Then you could ride the brakes down a mountain! :-P
Yea carbon ceramic brakes don't even work well UNTIL they get really hot
Shouldn't this be /dev/tty0? :p
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Q: A better, cooler name for the Chat Room

Faheem MithaOur chat room is called "Unix and Linux". While this is all good, most (all?) of the other chat rooms in all the other Stack Exchange sites have funnier, cooler names than just their site names. Who are we to be behind? So, in the spirit of the Holiday Season, I propose a competition for a "bet...

:-)
17:28
@derobert Nice! I like most of them though, too hard to decide
That's how we got /dev/chat — it was the most popular, by far.
I have no idea what the vote totals were at the time the room was renamed, though
Yea /dev/chat is probably the best, but I think ~ is a close second
mm. Neat
Well, I'm partial to talk(1), but... :-P
#!/bin/chat is pretty good too.
Yea talk(1) is cool and clever, however I don't know about you, but whenever I think of man pages I think "Sigh, fine I'll read it"
Usually not positive :p
17:34
I pull up manpages all the time...
Me too but it's begrudgingly
Odd. I've never been upset about pulling one up. Now, “No manual entry for X” is surely annoying...
Hah, something I encounter so often at my company
If the man page does exist I have to use pfexec to look at it for some reason
$ pfexec
bash: pfexec: command not found

Some Solaris thing?
Ah yea it seems like it. I always assumed it was a generic *nix tool. It is just for tracking sudo access
17:41
I added a new 8TB disk to my backup btrfs... Getting to have fun with rebalance :-/
@derobert Sounds like fun
18:02
@derobert Shades of times past. Or something like that.
there has to be a better way to write *nix
(u|[li])n(i|u)x
@Jesse_b @derobert Sorry, I was off watching tv.
Ok, so the slower you want to go, the lower the gear shift you use. Got it.
I've never been much of a driver, and it's now been a while since I have driven a car.
@Jesse_b it gets worse if you want to include AIX, HP-UX, or shudder Solaris!
@JeffSchaller They are all flavors of Unix :p
@Jesse_b going with the officially-sanctioned definition, then?
18:08
@JeffSchaller I'm not sure what you mean
Why is Linux not a UNIX but the others are?
@JeffSchaller It's a Unix in every way that matters.
I can't speak for AIX or HP-UX, however Solaris comes from the Unix 7 codebase and still has some unix 7 left
I was just picking nits at the attempt to write "*nix" as "UNIX and Linux"
There might have been some official certification process.
Was Solaris actually ever certified as a Unix?
18:09
But yes, I would much prefer to just call linux "unix" and be done with it
@Jesse_b Well, you can do so.
@FaheemMitha Not in my company :p
@Jesse_b Why not?
@FaheemMitha We develop Unix
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Q: Is Oracle Solaris UNIX?

fookraaIs Oracle Solaris officially declared UNIX? I want to know all the official UNIX presently available in the market (whether free or paid). Please correct me if I am wrong: To the best of my knowledge, an operating system must satisfy all the terms and conditions as laid by the owners of "UNIX", ...

18:11
Well, they do. I just look at it
@Jesse_b Did you talk about that once? Some offshoot of Solaris?
@FaheemMitha SmartOS based on opensolaris
@Jesse_b Right.
I'm trying to find a slide I saw in one of Bryan Cantrill's presentations that shows the complete origin of what SmartOS currently is, including SunOS and Solaris
@Jesse_b Do you actually work on SmartOS yourself?
18:14
@FaheemMitha I work with it. I don't write code or anything. I know bash :p. I did submit some changes to a shell script in one of our products for code review the other day but it will likely be denied
@Jesse_b Ok. Is the development interesting work?
The entire company is interesting. It is by far the greatest job I have ever had and am so lucky to have it :D
@Jesse_b That's nice.
I've never seen so many experts in one company. Our accounting department knows how to write shell scripts
@Jesse_b Wow
18:20
So many things are developed in house, and well. Every department is developing their own tools and programs to make work so much more efficient
@Jesse_b You sound like a fan. :-)
@FaheemMitha Probably an understatement. I'm obsessed
I'm sure somewhere out there, there's a family tree of all the UNIX variants. A very large family tree.
It might even be somewhere on U&L.
@Jesse_b You're obsessed with the company you work for?
Random trivia question - what's the oldest UNIX variant currently still in use?
I wonder if I should post that on U&L. It might get closed. Then again, it might get upvoted.
But I suspect it's impossible to answer, because UNIX variants aren't well defined.
Might be opinionated but I think it's a valid and interesting history question
how do you define still in use/oldest though?
@Jesse_b Well, quite.
18:24
Oldest as in oldest codebase? SmartOS's codebase is over 40 years old
Still in use as in some guy has it installed in his basement in cleveland?
@Jesse_b Don't worry, I'm not going to ask it. :-)
Is Solaris an offshoot of one of the old UNIXes, then? Berkeley UNIX, perhaps?
@FaheemMitha I'm still trying to find the flowchart. I know solaris/sunos is confusing because I think they forked off some system and then went back and started at an earlier point or something like that
I know before it was SunOS. Are SunOS and Solaris unrelated?
I suppose one could ask a question about the relationship between SunOS and Solaris. That might be specific enough to satisfy the critics.
I'm fairly certain it was this talk but I'm trying to find it: youtu.be/4PaWFYm0kEw
skip to 33 minutes he talks a bit about the origins of solaris/smartos
@Jesse_b Don't go out of your way. Just an idle question.
18:38
I enjoy watching his talks
18:50
@Jesse_b I don't really see any discussion of that there.
He briefly mentions the different flavors of unix they evolved from
Still looking for the flow chart
Eh I guess I'm not going to find it
@Jesse_b Have you thought about becoming a developer in your company?
@FaheemMitha eh, I would love to but I am not qualified and definitely don't want to go back to school
I am trying to learn node.js now so I can at least contribute to some smaller projects in some way
@Jesse_b What kind of qualifications do you need?
@FaheemMitha The ability to develop :p
19:00
@Jesse_b Surely that's not a qualification. That's a skill.
And what makes you think you don't have it?
Most of our software is written in C
I can make a hello world program in C but that is about it
I'm starting to understand a bit more of it though as I try to force myself into it so perhaps one day I can contribute something. I also don't mind my current position, it's fun and challenging.
@Jesse_b It's not that hard to learn C. Probably not that fun either, though.
I remember trying to learn C in 1997. It was excruciating. It was my first attempt at programming. Bad choice of language. And I picked a very busy semester to try to learn it too.
@FaheemMitha I think node.js (javascript) will be a good next step for me. It's certainly much more powerful than bash and seems pretty widely used today
@Jesse_b If you say so. Personally I'd recommend other languages.
@FaheemMitha My company made and supports node.js so there is also that :p
19:04
@Jesse_b ok
but yes I would be happy to learn every language
@Jesse_b all I'll do in C is a standard Goodbye World.
@terdon Goodbye world; rm -rf *
I hate C. Probably cause I know so little of it, mind you, but still.
@FaheemMitha What languages do you recommend? You seem to hate everything I like :p
19:15
@Jesse_b Python. Common Lisp. Possibly Ruby.
Possibly because I don't actually know Ruby.
Haskell and Ocaml also seem interesting. Though I don't know them at all.
And there's also Scala and Clojure, which run on the JVM.
@FaheemMitha Yea Python is definitely high on my list. I already kind of understand most python scripts I've seen and I've heard it's very similar to powershell which I used to be good at.
Most of these have fairly small user bases, though.
I've heard only bad things about ruby and have barely heard of/not heard of at all the others :p
brb afk 10min~
Of the above list, the only ones I'm actually at all familiar with is Python and Common Lisp. And the only one I've used for real work is Python. I first started learning Python around 2003 or so.
@Jesse_b Hmm. Well, Ruby is similar to Python.
Like I said, I've never used Ruby.
19:32
@FaheemMitha Yea I don't believe everything I hear...especially from hard headed people in this industry :p
@Jesse_b It doesn't take that long to experiment with a language. A few days, perhaps.
I've only heard a few people take shots at ruby like "Or you could use ruby..." "haha" as if it would be a bad thing if you did
@Jesse_b That's a very substantative criticism. :-)
Of course, not everyone has the time to do experiments, but if you do have the time, and are interested in this sort of thing, it's a perfectly reasonable thing to do.
I have used a tool for working with Jira that is written in ruby
but I think I am going to make my own tool in bash because this one outputs everything in colors and the creator has not acknowledged by request to remove the colors
@terdon I'm not a C fan either. But they write operating systems in it. And of course what you are doing matters as least as much as what language you are doing in it.
19:44
@FaheemMitha Oh, it's a brilliant language, I'm sure. I just don't want to use it myself.
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Q: Will you do my homework for me?

thisguyMy assignment is: Take two command line parameters, the first of which is the name of a directory, and the second is a file size in bytes. Call your shell script listfiles. The call from the shell prompt should look like $ listfiles /tmp 50 Your shell script should check that only two par...

is my edit to that post inappropriate?
@terdon Brilliant isn't the word that comes to mind, personally.
Widely used, perhaps.
It's now missing the crucial information that it's due tomorrow.
Heh.
Maybe I could add "It's really really important"
My hope is that when written that way the user will realize he is being unreasonable
@Jesse_b Correct, but a bit... I dunno, mean?
19:56
@MichaelHomer Due tomorrow? Wow, a nailbiting race to the finish line.
@Kusalananda Yes I felt that way too so I figured I should ask here. If I had the option to put my edits up for a vote I would have done so with that one
I've never heard of upwork.com.
@Jesse_b Hmm... Better use the comments for that. It's probably a correct edit in a sense, but it's also kinda making fun of someone.
@FaheemMitha Me either, I upvoted that comment because it looks interesting and I want to look into it's nobility
@Jesse_b Hah, I was wondering why anyone would entitle their question "Will you do my homework for me".
And of course, he/she didn't.
19:57
@Kusalananda I have modified it
@Jesse_b nobility?
@FaheemMitha He claims it will help developers in the 3rd world
@Jesse_b Much better.
@Jesse_b So I read. But that's not standard use of nobility.
@FaheemMitha I suppose I have been using noble wrong :p
19:59
Though maybe I shouldn't say that around terdon, because I'm sure he'll promptly prove me wrong.
I would like to know if it's actually a good cause though, or if someone is at the top raking in tons of money at the expense of the people on the bottom
@Jesse_b That's probably the case. At least of Airbnb and Uber are anything to go by.
Though I suppose one you have contact with someone, you don't have to go through the platform to give him/her additional work.
But I have no idea how this platform functions.
I like your comment @Kusalananda. "Here is the information you need to know, show some effort and put it together"
If the question was still open I would write a script that did real command line parsing, and unit conversion for that second argument.
I honestly wonder if it's the student's fault or the teacher though. Is he just being given an assignment and told to do it or has he received any instruction at all?
And what sort of resources does he have available to him if he couldn't come up with even a single line of code before he gave up and posted here
20:09
@Jesse_b Maybe he's studying programming because he's thinks it will lead to a well paid job. That's a common motive in this part of the world.
I might be weird, but I think one should be able to ask about homework assignments an U&L, if it clearly marked as such. Answers should be able to explain the pros and cons of any particular approach without actually handing them a written script.
Welcome to SEUL. Homework questions are pretty lame. If you have specific questions or need help getting over a hump, let us know what you have tried and ask a better question. — datUser 42 mins ago
@Kusalananda Sounds reasonable to me.
And hi @Kusalananda. How's it going?
@Kusalananda I actually like homework questions but I don't like "Here is what I need now do it for me"
SEUL?
20:10
@FaheemMitha Just had a massage, so, good.
stack exchange unix and linux?
That's a new one. SE UL, I guess.
There are a lot of very lazy programming students out there
@Jesse_b Yeah, but the first thing that came to mind was Seoul.
@Kusalananda What kind of massage? I used to get them in Durham. They were those deep tissue things.
20:10
Even in this part of the world
NAPUED = New Acronyms Pops Up Every Day.
I prefer abbreviations. Just start spelling it...and then stop.
@FaheemMitha Yes, deep tissue massage. Not the nice comfy spa type massage. I have a very tired back and shuolders.
@Kusalananda Deep tissue massage is good. Do you do yoga? That's good too.
@FaheemMitha I did for a year, some time ago, but can't really keep up the practice by myself here. It would be good for me. I'm like a block of wood at the moment.
20:17
I've been trying really hard to maintain better posture lately but it's so difficult
@Kusalananda I find it almost impossible to do yoga by myself. We have an instructor.
@Kusalananda Hah
Unfortunately, he fell off his bike a few days ago. But he still made it to a yoga class this morning.
I used to be really... what's the word? "bendy"?
20:18
Some people are tough.
Flexible
@Jesse_b Ah, yes. Flexible.
@Kusalananda I heard "bendy" used on New Girl. I suppose that if Zooey Deschanel used it, you can too.
I'm pretty damn flexible except for with my right shoulder.
@Kusalananda You should try to find a yoga class to go to.
20:20
But apparently when I was younger my older sister and her friends used to make me do splits and stuff
@Jesse_b Don't you remember?
Yoga is good for a variety of things.
Though not sufficient exercise in itself.
Young as in toddler age. I have very few memories from that era
@Jesse_b Well, toddlers are just disconnected bits of half-formed bone anyway.
@Jesse_b I see.
... made up from.
And fat.
And poo.
Like cats, but without the teeth.
And less agile.
20:22
And more useless :p
:-)
Even more.
Useless use of toddler
There was a Swedish newspaper that used to have a column once a week with a question and answer from 5 random people on the street. One week the question was something like "What do you think about child labour?" and someone answered "I think it's really bad! Children have no sense of quality!"
@Kusalananda :-)
I take it that was an actual answer.
Yes, there's a photo of it floating around somewhere.
20:26
@Kusalananda I just got some Swedish guests via Wimdu, by the way. They weren't very nice. And left me a rather nasty review. I made them a point of telling them how impressed I was by their country, particularly their roads. They probably thought I was weird.
Actually, the review was quite strange. They said that I didn't seem very interested in them!!! That's a first.
@FaheemMitha What sort of interest where they looking for? You are essentially running an Inn, no? Not an entertainment business
Q1: "Do you care about whether the products are made by children?" Q2: "Are doing anything to check this?" A1: "Yes, children have no sense for quality, you can tell that from the product." A2: "No."
https://www.sporthoj.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=215087&d=1195646817
@Jesse_b Shrug. That's what I wondered. And ironically, I'm usually more interestedin my guests than they are in me. And am usually happy to chat. Even when I'm feeling stressed out.
@FaheemMitha If I stayed at an AirBNB I would be happy simply to not have been murdered
@FaheemMitha ?? :-)
20:30
But these people didn't seem very friendly. They were two older female travellers. And I I'm conditioned to give women a bit of distance, for fear they may complain of harassment.
@Kusalananda Yes, on second thoughts, sorry for dumping that random load of crap on you.
@FaheemMitha Maybe they were very interested in you :p
@FaheemMitha No worries! There are weirdos everywhere.
@Jesse_b If they were, they didn't show it.
They complained I didn't have a toaster, for example. They even mentioned that in the review. Are toasters a thing in Sweden?
@Jesse_b LOL. Really, they aren't that bad.
@FaheemMitha People have toasters... It's not a thing like it seems to be in the UK though. It's possibly common, but my family never had one.
@Kusalananda Hmm. I've never had a UK guest complain about lack of toasters. They seem to like their kettles, though.
20:33
Toast, or this or that "on toast" does not exist here.
@Kusalananda Avocado on toast?
Sounds mushy.
Coffee is a big thing though.
@Kusalananda Not an avocado fan, then.
Avocado fan? Definitely! On toast? Nah.
@Kusalananda Hang on, what are the toasters for then?
20:35
@Jesse_b Actually, it would be funny if someone posted a review saying that this Airbnb was great, I wasn't murdered.
@MichaelHomer Maybe @Kusalananda is a fan of meat paste, like in the UK. Or whatever that weird brownish stuff is.
@MichaelHomer For toasting weak white bread for children that won't eat anything else for breakfast?
@FaheemMitha Vegetarian I am.
@Kusalananda Ah. Well, there is also some yeast type paste, I think.
Yes, Marmite.
@FaheemMitha There's yeast flakes as a condiment in the UK. I quite liked that.
One of those weird British things.
/me wonders what makes French films so atmospheric.
Couldn't quite get my head around Marmite, or Vegemite which was more popular in New Zealand when I lived there.
20:38
British Marmite is quite different to Marmite here
@Kusalananda Yes, I believe it's one of those things.
@MichaelHomer "Here". I kinda thought you were on the British Isles... But maybe you're not?
@Kusalananda He's NZ
@MichaelHomer Oh? There you go.
I used to live in Dunedin.
Half a life ago.
This is an international place, innit? Good.
20:43
@Kusalananda innit is a Britishism. :-)
Wrong island but same relative location
Capital!
Well, almost.
Recently some nutter on the site also described me as British
@Kusalananda :-)
@MichaelHomer Well, nutter is also a Britishism. He may have been understandably confused.
@MichaelHomer Not garbage, Mr. British Gentleman. What I'm saying is 100% truth, or, at least, 100% truth for me. Everything was lived just as told, I swear it on my honor, and even though the alcohol may make it look like this is a joke or a lie, I SWEAR IT'S NOT. My desperation to know what's going on is huge. I wouldn't have started drinking if it weren't because of these bizarre events. I can't talk about it to my friends nor family, they don't understand anything outside Windows. So please forgive I vented out. I NEEDED to vent out. — bunden Jan 26 at 6:35
20:46
@MichaelHomer That's a strange comment.
Well, like I said...
@MichaelHomer Well, in my case I was just making unfounded assumptions based on I-don't-know-what.
Sorry
It's fine, I just wonder what I give off
Spelling maybe
"I swear it on my honor"!
> ls -l showed the file was my little bitch so to speak.
I wonder, is that what people write when drunk?
20:49
Honestly my impression was that they probably needed some professional help
@MichaelHomer Mental professional help? Or Unix professional help?
@MichaelHomer Spelling, yes. And the name possibly?
Mental professional, if they were serious about what they were writing
Maybe? When I was in France last people kept thinking I was German
There has been questions here that have made me want to ask people to seek help from a psychiatrist. I've seen one or two about computers "spying on me" etc.
@Kusalananda It's actually possible for computers to be spying on you.
Especially if the computer has a webcam.
20:53
@FaheemMitha I'm well aware of that, but at some point there's a line between needing to check for keyloggers and just being paranoid.
@Kusalananda Yes, I've seen those too, and I don't really know what to do about them
@Kusalananda Yes, there is. And I haven't seen the questions you are talking about.
.. being paranoid because "the machine is not behaving as usual".
@FaheemMitha Did I quick search, but can't find anything...
Maybe the NSA deleted it?
Closing them isn't really helpful, answering isn't really helpful, X-Y problem "seek help" isn't really right either...
Maybe it was my neighbour who installed an internet filter on my machine?
20:55
Usually they do end up deleted
@MichaelHomer Yes.
@Kusalananda They were probably crap questions.
@FaheemMitha "Too broad" or "Unclear" for sure.
This is a hell of an answer:
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A: Why does $((0.1)) expand to 0.10000000000000001 in zsh

Stéphane Chazelas TL;DR zsh chooses a decimal representation for the double binary numbers that it uses for evaluating floating point arithmetics that preserves their information fully, that is safe for reinput into its arithmetic expressions. And that is done at the expense of cosmetic. For that, it needs 17 s...

!! The "TL;DR" is five paragraphs!
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