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casey

00:48

@Fabby that is why it is insulting. You are reducing a sentient being to an object it animal by when you refer to them as IT.

Fabby

@casey I'm a sentient being and a-sexual, so you're still allowed to refer to me as "it"... ;-)

I get it now: it's just a difference between languages.

She just told me to use "she" or "he" and not "they" if the gender is known. and "(s)he" if the gender is unknown, which I can understand.

So if you have any transgender people you know, take it up with them and feed back, please.

(I'm now basing my assumptions on a sample of one, which is not very scientific)

Celada

02:52

@Fabby Terminology: "asexual" has two meanings. In biology it means what you think it means: something which does not posess a sex. For example, bacteria reproduce asexually. But when applied to humans [sentient beings] it is a sexual orientation, like heterosexual and homosexual. It means neither homosexual nor heterosexual.

You can fit "homo", "hetero", "bi", and "a" in a 2×2 matrix in the obvious way.

So it isn't a gender identity and has no bearing on what pronouns would be used to refer to you.

To express that you do not identify with any gender, you have to say agender, also known as gender neutral, or neutrois. Which is a subcategory of genderqueer.

And that's where it gets complicated.

But the vast majority of transgender people (and cisgender people for that matter) aren't so complicated as to get into the realm of genderqueerness. They're just regular male or female.

Actually, once a binary (= either male or female, not genderqueer) transgender person has finished transitioning, it becomes really quite simple. For most purposes you (and they!!!) can even just forget about the fact that they're trans.

I'll leave it at that. It's a rich topic with lots of twists but hardly related to Unix & Linux.

Faheem Mitha

08:36

I didn't know anything about this. Did everyone else?

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Should I pin this? Opinions?

Fabby

09:08

@Celada Thanks for the explanation though...(and unlikely you'll get banned from chat for telling me this!) ;-)

Faheem Mitha

09:49

Just looked at my current lsmod. Wow, that's a lot of kernel modules.

Celada

11:13

@FaheemMitha ...and that's why we can't run modern operating systems on computers with 128KiB of RAM which used to run contemporary OSes just fine thank you very much.

derobert

PSA: Do not allow people to delete characters they haven't typed. Oh, and update your grub if you're using the password functionality.

Thankfully, my only vulnerable system is only in production during summer.

Celada

@derobert Sure, such bugs in grub should be fixed and the fixes deployed, but I consider that if someone has console access to a server (even serial console access), they already have control.

derobert

@Celada Servers, yes. But Linux isn't just for servers.

E.g., the application I have is that our community pool has a laptop used for checking passes, etc. It's locked down as much as is reasonably possible—BIOS password set, configured not to boot from anything but HDD, grub password set, strong passwords in Linux.

It has to be used by the guards who are, err, semi-trusted. They can't be allowed to (for example) install random stuff on the machine, or change the settings and use it to browse Facebook.

It's also in a pool house where, honestly, physical security is not the best. E.g., would not be too hard to distract a guard and get 5 minutes with the machine.

(Facebook will be more of a problem this coming year, when we get an unfortunately expensive cell data plan for it.)

I've got to imagine anyone deploying Linux for any sort of publicly-accessible machine (e.g., in a library, school computer lab, etc.) has similarly locked things down.

Celada

11:37

@derobert good points. I guess I don't think about that much because I don't have to do that kind of thing very often.

Sounds like your users are in a sweet environment though...... pool house....... browsing Facebook........

derobert

@Celada Hah, they're not supposed to be browsing Facebook :-/

and it sounds sweet until you hear there is no AC.

Faheem Mitha

12:08

@Celada That's part of the reason. My first computer had 128MB, actually.

derobert

@FaheemMitha 128MB RAM? How luxurious! I think my first one had 2MB. Which, given, is quite a bit compared to Celada's

128MB was larger than my hard disk...

KIDS THESE DAYS.

:-P

Faheem Mitha

13:13

@derobert Well, it was relatively recent. 1998. What happened to your avatar?

derobert

@FaheemMitha Huh? It should be the same as always.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Oh, you've superimposed some hats.

Looks weird.

Congrats on 35K, by the way.

I've now got 16GB RAM, but that is still not enough for Chromium's insatiable maw.

<Grumble, Grumble.>

derobert

@FaheemMitha Yeah, I don't think I get anything for 35k. Except more Internet points.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Imaginary Internet Points.

I think 20K is about the end of where you get new privileges.

Though they could always invent new ones.

derobert

They added one at 25k, I think, access to unix.stackexchange.com/site-analytics

Where you can go to find out essential things, like confirmation that the site is indeed dead on Friday.

Faheem Mitha

13:22

@derobert I see.

50K -> Get to have lunch with Joel.

Hey,Thanks for the help, my final goal is to understand the software flow between the SATA Host(HBA) and a SATA device driver(SATA Hard Disk).To understand the flow I need to go through the SATA Host and Device driver code .I know AHCI can be used as a HBA in linux kernel which is at "linux-xlnx-xilinx_v2.6.30/drivers/ata/" but I am not sure about the SATA device driver.Can you point out which device driver code should I look in kernel tree to understand the device code flow or Can you point me somewhere I can get the sample SATA device driver code to undestand Host and Device communication? — Hemant 3 hours ago

derobert

Also, could someone please tell my servers that it's Friday, therefor a most wholly inappropriate day to make me deal with random BS breaking.

Faheem Mitha

I tried apt-file search sg.c but I didn't get anything. Isn't the kernel source code in some Debian package, and if so, shouldn't apt-file pick it up?

@derobert Don't you ever work weekends?

derobert

@FaheemMitha Not if I can help it.

@FaheemMitha it's probably in a source package, not a binary package

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Sounds sensible. Does your job have the concept of overtime?

derobert

Nope

Faheem Mitha

13:27

@derobert I thought the kernel sources were packaged as a Debian package.

Stephen Kitt

@FaheemMitha The kernel source code is in linux-source-4.3 (or whatever version you have)

Faheem Mitha

For roll your own kernel binaries.

Stephen Kitt

but it contains a tarball of the source which is why apt-file can't find sg.c.

Faheem Mitha

@StephenKitt Oh, I see. Bummer.

And hi. Long time no see. cas has disappeared, so we are currently short on DDs. :-)

derobert

anthony@Zia:/tmp$ dget linux-source-4.2
dget: no hostnames in apt-cache policy linux-source-4.2 for version 4.2.6-3 found

... odd

Stephen Kitt

13:29

@FaheemMitha I was rather busy ;-)

Faheem Mitha

@StephenKitt Ah.

@derobert What's odd?

derobert

That command should have worked.

And the error is wrong:

anthony@Zia:/tmp$ apt-cache policy linux-source-4.2
linux-source-4.2:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 4.2.6-3
  Version table:
     4.2.6-3 500
        500 http.us.debian.org/debian testing/main amd64 Packages
        500 http.us.debian.org/debian testing/main i386 Packages

I wonder if the new apt has confused it.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert What error?

derobert

1 min ago, by derobert

anthony@Zia:/tmp$ dget linux-source-4.2
dget: no hostnames in apt-cache policy linux-source-4.2 for version 4.2.6-3 found

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Oh, sorry. Chat didn't show that to me. I had to refresh.

I wonder what other stuff I must be missing...

Bug filing time, methinks.

derobert

13:32

someone else already has, #807064

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Ok

derobert

anyway, it seems today's Haruhi image is oddly appropriate...

Faheem Mitha

Looks like the bug has already been fixed.

@StephenKitt So, how are you doing? All well?

Stephen Kitt

@FaheemMitha Yup, how about you?

Faheem Mitha

@StephenKitt I'm doing Ok, thanks. Are you planning to make it to Debconf 16?

Has anyone heard of Astra? wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Census/AstraLinux

Stephen Kitt

13:38

@FaheemMitha Unlikely, it's too far away this time...

Faheem Mitha

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astra_Linux is actually more informative.

@StephenKitt Ok. They picked a location, then?

derobert

@FaheemMitha debconf16.debconf.org says Cape Town

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Oh, that's a bit out of the way.

I see a off-by-one error. :-) 17th Annual Debian conference.

Will that Debian Code Search locate files by name?

Stephen Kitt

@FaheemMitha The first DebConf was DebConf 0

Faheem Mitha

@StephenKitt I see. Counting from zero. I didn't know that.

Faheem Mitha

16:46

@derobert Was just reading about Asterisk. Does your company use it? i think you mentioned it.

Faheem Mitha

22:20

Here is a horrible thing my ISP is doing - bitsnapper.com/…

Would it be Ok to ask for help stopping this on the site? I don't know how much to trust the instructions given on that page.

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