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Pandya

10:10

@ArchiT3K I am also surprised to see GUI login fail without network-manager!

BTW, which Desktop-Environment?

Have you tried this?

Pandya

10:57

Is there anyone interested in trying this?

How vlc plays videos in tty? (Is this done without X session?)

@MatthewRock Are you present?

ArchiT3K

11:44

Environnement is Gnome

Anyway i m ok wiith having access pnly to tty

But i m affraid of unstability or safety failure about this issue

MatthewRock

12:08

@Pandya I'm now

But I want to try it out on my Gentoo installation, to which I don't have an access right now.

(in case you were refering to my post)

Pandya

@MatthewRock OK, (you will try after you get home)

BTW, your question is being hot (considerable views, 4 voteups at present)

MatthewRock

I'm glad to hear that :)

I hope I'm hot too 8)

But joking apart, I just heard that the other day on IRC #gentoo - someone said that they'd watch films in tty, and would not need X at all, which made me curious, but I forgot about that until today

Pandya

12:49

good bye

Sukminder

13:49

Yes, but that is the question: it propagate to enclosing shell, but as it is not receiver it is ignored. At least that's my experience.

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cuonglm

17:36

Am I mis-understand something in this question?

Well, you mentioned exportand this verifies that you did not understand the question.and that you may not know how shell environment management is defined: All imported enviromnent variables (e.g. LC_*) are exported automatically and even if not, a correct shell would dynamically manage it's locale. — schily 14 mins ago

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StrongBad

20:18

Anyone use MATLAB. I am having problems getting OpenGL to use hardware acceleration.

casey

21:02

post a Q on the site

StrongBad

@casey At this point the question might be "can anyone get it to work".

which would not be a good question.

casey

if you have a matlab script that does something that should be accelerated in OpenGL, send it to me and I'll let you know if it works. I have matlab but I don't use it. Everything else that can use OpenGL on this system works though

Gilles

@cuonglm let me translate from schily to English: “a correct shell would dynamically manage it's locale” → “my personal expectation is that a shell would change its locale when you set the LC_LOCALE variable, and I'm above such mundane things as expressing myself clearly”

@StéphaneChazelas I'd be interested in an answer to unix.stackexchange.com/questions/15980/… , though after this time I don't remember which machines they were and they've probably been upgraded anyway

StrongBad

21:22

@casey can you try opengl info in MATLAB and tell me if "Software" is true or false.

Gilles

22:03

Q: Leave double quotes in title alone

Double quotes " in titles are rewritten to their non-ASCII slanted versions “…”. This is highly inappropriate on a site where quoting is an important matter. Double quotes in titles are often the ASCII character (U+0022 QUOTATION MARK) in a bit of Unix shell syntax, and showing different characte...

Stéphane Chazelas

22:30

@Gilles It's unclear to me. Looking at the code points to a _NL_COLLATE_COLLSEQWC which itself led me to lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grep/2010-09/msg00076.html (the whole discussion is interesting, but it doesn't really tell exactly how that lookup table is derived from the LC_COLLATE data in the locale definitions).

The answer is probably in locale/programs/ld-collate.c in the glibc, but that's not easy to follow

Sorry lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grep/2010-09/msg00070.html is the message in that discussion that mentions that look-up table (a hidden locale attribute on GNU systems).

I also found that GNU grep compiled --with-included-regex behaves differently as it's not able (or not willing) to query that table.

(is then based on codepoint like zsh)

Please let me know if you find out more about it.

Gilles

@StéphaneChazelas interesting, but doesn't explain why two Debian squeeze machines behaved differently

I didn't spend a lot of time investigating because I always force LC_COLLATE=C anyway

Stéphane Chazelas

23:21

@Gilles dunno. different package versions of grep or libc? locales not recompiled after a libc upgrade and different installation time?

Gilles

@StéphaneChazelas I don't remember exactly, but I had machines of both types running Debian oldstable and stable, so it's probably not a matter of versions

I have chroots of every Debian version since potato. Each is pretty much unconfigured after debootstrap, but has the en_US locale generated.

I ran env -i PATH=/bin:/usr/bin LC_COLLATE=en_US grep -q '[a-z]' <<<B in each of these chroots

B is in [a-z] on potato, woody and squeeze. Not on sarge, etch, lenny, wheezy or jessie.

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