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user2356315

00:00

Well I'm giving up on it I think...he's onWindows, and I don't know networking, so I guess I'll have to post a form online

terdon

Yeah, this kind of thing is best in a question.

user2356315

@terdon, just before I disappear, you say a really bad time for it, well I've waited long enough...I speak a bit of Greek, just need my peculiarities straightening out...when do you think will be a good time?

Once I got plenty in the bank?

My firend said the recession was terrible, his sister's pension fund had fallen from 400 to 300 euros a month...that was his idea of terrible

terdon

@user2356315 That might be worse.

As for terrible, yes it is. No jobs, no money.

Huge suicide and unemployment rates and many, many people at or below the poverty line.

user2356315

Actually, to be serious for a sec, I was sickened by the suicide thing, I heard it last week.

I think in Greece there are like a handful of murders every year.

So that many suicides is just insane.

Ashamed

So anyway, I'm coming there whatever you say, file.

Faheem Mitha

@user2356315 You want to visit Greece? Why?

user2356315

00:12

I love Greece

terdon

@user2356315 Used ti be. That's changing too.

user2356315

Jeez, that the most statistics I've seen in the last five years

Faheem Mitha

@user2356315 Do tell

user2356315

Was getting worried for a sec til I saw the bootm line was rest of Europe

Thought it was then and now or something...the only real concern is number 7 of course.

What sort of medical needs are they?

Faheem Mitha

Greece should have done the British thing and raped the rest of the planet for a few centuries. Then they would be in good shape.

user2356315

00:16

I wouldn't be going if they had

@FaheemMitha I wouldn't be going if they had

Faheem Mitha

@user2356315 If you say so.

user2356315

So 10%

Faheem Mitha

@user2356315 huh?

user2356315

of people are seeing medical needs unmet

I'll say something flippant in a minute ;)

Um, what's 7% of 20%?

Faheem Mitha

Divide by 5. 1.4%.

user2356315

00:20

Shit that simple. That NSA shit is bad for the intellect.

Faheem Mitha

That is what is known as Higher Math.

user2356315

Hey I studied Uni-level math to get into Uni

but you're right, 1,4%.

So almost 3% of Greeks are missing out on medical care, compared to 1.4% before the crash.

Serious shit.

terdon

Aye

user2356315

But the suicides are grim.

i thought the culture was slipping last time I was there, but I didn't have long enough to be really sure.

terdon

Oh, it's been slipping for millennia.

user2356315

00:25

True, but that's the case everywhere.

Well they'll get through it, just wish they'd hurry up, I want to live out there.

Time for a kebab.

terdon

Heh

user2356315

Back in five, refreshed

Faheem Mitha

00:41

It probably peaked early. Meeting Socrates might have been fun.

When reading Plato, it is annoying how everyone agreed with him all the time.

I could have been the one telling him, No, Socrates, that makes no sense at all, and does not follow.

user2356315

Wooo Hallo again. Still no nam change.

>|

Gotta and go put my stuff in order

@FaheemMitha I loved those dialogues when I was young and innocent.

Faheem Mitha

@Hektor I see Hektor.

Hektor

Nope there it is. Quite by chance that moncker. Two eights, letter H etc. Cool name. @terdon should be honoured.

Faheem Mitha

@Hektor Socrates had a most obliging bunch of disciples. Today they would have a different name.

@Hektor Is that in honour of The Tamer Of Horses? Or is that your real name?

Hektor

01:08

Tamer of Horses? No, I think it was some or other hero of old.

@FaheemMitha Agreed about the disciples, they were a funny lot. I can't remember what they did to distinguish themselves.

Well Plato was OK, and Xenophone sort of earned the respect of posterity

Xenophone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Didn't exactly get to stand on the shoulders of giants, did he?

@terdon You Greeks don't write much on Wikipedia do you?

terdon

Nah, the Greek WP is pretty small.

Hektor

Not that I can read it so well

So are you too both budding electrical engineers then?

I shoulda studied something serious when I was younger.

Faheem Mitha

@Hektor Are who electrical engineers?

Hektor

The two of you. Course, I realise @FaheemMitha isn't yet qualified, but is it the path both of you opted for?

You could be a couple of high-level network engineers spitting blood at the audacity of that last comment, when I think about it.

Faheem Mitha

@Hektor sorry, no idea what you are talking about. But I'm definitely not an electrical engineer, if that helps.

Hektor

01:18

@FaheemMitha Well I thought you posted some stuff about the latest developments in engineering entrance exams in India a while ago, so I assumed you were quite into that field.

Faheem Mitha

@Hektor Big assumption. No.

I just know about the IITs. So do lots of people.

And the IITs cover other stuff besides engineering. Math and the sciences at least.

Hektor

Yup ,'twas. (fidgets nervously)

Wow, let me investigate this - how can I have been so careless?

Should have changed my name earlier.

Either of you program?

wtf?

Hey Hektor know anyone looking for a co-programmer?

*With a good-looking sister

@FaheemMitha sorry you're too far away

Actually co-programmer is co-programmer, so the question goes to either of you

I work independently, and I'm f* sick of it

Faheem Mitha

@Hektor sorry, I followed little of that stream-of-consciousness.

Hektor

Where do you thoughts dwell then @FaheemMitha?

Faheem Mitha

01:34

@Hektor Er, what?

Hektor

I mean, what do you do, study? Work?

your* your thoughts...like what do you spend all day thinking about...engineering entrance exam developments?

What an odd bunch Socrates followers were?

You must be in IT

OK 20K upvotes!

I've been on here too long. I'll lurk in the corner for a bitr then disappear.

Faheem Mitha

@Hektor I'm currently unemployed. But my background is Math and Statistics.

And I do programming too.

Hektor

What sort of programming?

If I might ask

Faheem Mitha

@Hektor Mostly scientific type programming. Some of my projects/publications are online.

Using Python, mostly. Also some C++, when I have to.

Hektor

Hmmm, you're way ahead of me. Although you are unemployed. Buy Python's a great language.

I like C++ too, was my first proper language.

Tell me about your publications/projects. Are they like, protein folding optimisations or something?

Actually, doubtless you wouldn't spit on the sort of projects I chase.

Faheem Mitha

01:47

@Hektor Computational biology, applied probability, applied statistics and bioinformatics.

Some of them fall into more than one category.

my bitbucket repos is bitbucket.org/faheem

Hektor

Well not the right time for scientific stuff for me, though that's a very decent skill set.

Faheem Mitha

There is also a web programming project in there. bixfile. was supposed to be a publication, but abandoned now. Web programming sucks. I only worked on it because I was forced to. And I used Django, which I ended up not enjoying at all.

Pyramid might be better for example. But I've never used it. Anyway, there are more interesting things than web programming.

Hektor

Hey I've been about to start Django for a while. Looks a bit of a pain in terms of its url structure, but I quite liked it when I tried it out. And it works out the box on Linux, which is nice. But yeah, thanks to the wonderful plethora of screen dimensions and browser quirks out there, web programming sucks bigtime.

Ima get me a look at bixfile, though I'm not so good at reading python.

Faheem Mitha

@Hektor I didn't like Django. The developers were rude and arrogant. The community was unfriendly. And they kept breaking the API. Also, it didn't seem designed for the kidn of project I was working on - not flexible enough. Probably fine if you are trying to design a regular web site, though.

Hektor

Hmm until now I've always found the Python community pretty good - mature, circumspect, etc - though just the sight of a Django url in there almost made me puke, but then I've been writing trusty old php-js all day today, so it can be expected.

And I dislike python, deep down, though for a do-it-all language it struts all over Java

Faheem Mitha

02:03

@Hektor you dislike Python? Why?

Hektor

And beautiful soup is a bit of a life-changer, GIMP plug-ins are a godsend in web-design, C-tie-ins are nice - they're all wicked advantages. Until you have to use it. F* indentation

Yeah I expect there's a famous work-around, in fact I've got one somewhere. Actually I do really like Python.

Let me get back to bixfile

In all honesty if I was doing something as responsible as writing statistical programs for medical research I wouldn't be doing it in Python

Faheem Mitha

@Hektor Make up your mind. :-)

@Hektor Oh, what would you use instead?

Hektor

I'd write my own stuff

It sounds arrogant, but libraries suck bad

Acytually Python's a brilliant glue,,,let me turn it over in my mind while I do my end-of-day chores, clean up, panic at tomorrow's fails, etc

Faheem Mitha

@Hektor You'd write your own language?

Hektor

No I'd use Perl or PHP or CUDA or something, C most likely, with plenty of CUDA

And Python for R&D, i.e scraping

Faheem Mitha

02:13

@Hektor Oh. I think Python is a better choice than any of those.

And C is a terrible language to work in unless you are doing things at a really low level.

Hektor

Hmmm, best of all is what you like best. Sure C is for performance. I'd write that stuff in C++, and swap it into C if I really had to, like for CUDA etc.

I hated Pythons regexes

Faheem Mitha

@Hektor C and C++ are basically identical from a performance standpoint. And I imagine you could use C++ with CUDA if you wanted to.

@Hektor I can't do regexes in general.

Hektor

You should learn.

Totally changed the way I program.

And the entire world swears by a single book on regexes

Especially for the sort of work you do.

Wait...you can't use & in Python can you????

Faheem Mitha

@Hektor Not sure what you mean.

Hektor

can you use '&' instead of 'and' ?

I'm checking

Well that was an entertaining look through the Python Cookbook...it's quite a nice refreshingly straightforward language, and I need it for some things, but after a day or two using it, I need something terser

I love it but I hate it

I wrote a couple of nice libraries once when I was geting started with it, work around the worst bits. I should shut the f* up and actually write some code actually.

Look at that though:

def tryimportone(orig, ui, repo, hunk, parents, opts, *args, **kwargs):

6 arguments, 2 arrays of arguments. F* that

That's highly f* re-usable that is

Hey I'm criticising the lingo, not your code. What works beats thory every time.

Sorry I turn into RainMan when I don't smoke.

Hektor

02:48

Haaaaaa check out your shit

You should be paying me to write your code.

Do you know all about T-lymphocytes and myeloma gene structures?

I had to work for a cent a word for 18 months. It took me three or four minutes on average to find a half-useful article to re-write

It sucked sooo bad that had to try to automate everything.

I couldn't even earn enough to go to the pub once a week and not worry about money.

During that time I developed a rabid impatience for all things computer.

When I had a look at science I thought it would be a piece of cake since there were only a couple of hundred different types of cell in the human body

That was the one fact that convinced me it would be easy.

Even now I llok at that stuff on your academia answers and think, I wouldn't mind having a go at that fucker.

Learn regular expressions.

Learn regular expressions

etc

Use C/C++

Use php

#Use Perl

Fuck Python.

I'm done.

8D

Message me if you need some code.

Yeah Python too.

I'm slacking. Night @FaheemMitha, night @terdon, night all.

derobert

06:08

@FaheemMitha Yeah, could try Server Fault. My guess is it won't have an answer by Monday, and I'll answer it myself via RTFS.

(And I wonder if Hektor was sober...)

Faheem Mitha

06:44

@derobert RTFS?

@derobert We get a fair amount of that kind of thing around here...

derobert

@FaheemMitha read the f. source. Substitute your choice of words beginning with F.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert ah, source. Ok.

Faheem Mitha

07:36

@derobert Any ideas about this? This is not something I know much about:

0

Q: postfix smtp connection timed out, why?

A CentOS 7 web server has postfix, dovecot, and mailx installed. I have been able to make an IMAP connection to the server in order to read inbox mail using a remote Thunderbird client, but I am not able to make an SMTP connection to send email from Thunderbird. When I do forensics, I discover ...

terdon

11:51

If you use a search engine, you will discover a wealth of material and, after reading and attmepting to apply some of it to your situation, you will enjoy a sense of satisfaction and achievement that I would in no way wish to deprive you of... — jasonwryan yesterday

Braiam

12:47

36

Q: I HAZ A FIBO, RLY

First LOLCODE program, run here. This program inputs a Fibonacci number from the user, then determines and prints whether the number is in the Fibonacci series. What do you think? HAI 1.2 HOW IZ I GetNum VISIBLE "Entr yr numbr: " I HAS A WatzNum GIMMEH WatzNum ...

fibonacci-sequence lolcode

Faheem Mitha

14:20

@terdon I didn't know jason did comedy.

Next he'll be sporting the picture of a mushroom. Or a mushroom's reproductive apparatus, to be precise.

terdon

14:39

:)

terdon

18:50

Why can't I find a dupe for this?

0

Q: Can't install curl linux mint

I am new to linux.And I am trying to install curl to instal ruby version manager. I write this: sudo apt-get update && apt-get install curl And get this output: E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock -...

curl

I'm sure I've answered something along those lines before.

derobert

@FaheemMitha Wow, did the site not offer to move that to chat 10 messages ago... Anyway, briefly scanning through that (1) connection timed out is almost always either wrong IP address or a firewall. (2) doesn't look like anyone has tried the obvious tcpdump on the remote site to see if its receiving the packet

ISPs sometimes filter smtp. Thanks, spammers.

Added a comment.

terdon

@derobert It did. Unfortunately, the OP cannot log into chat for reasons nobody can understand.

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Q: cannot log into chat

Can something be done to enable me to log into unix.stackexchange chat? When I am logged into unix.stackexchange, I sometimes click on links to join chat, either within the comments of a posting, or in the formal chat room area. But in each case, I am only able to view the requested chat room...

bug chat login

derobert

Odd:

@FaheemMitha Thamk you. I would appreciate that. I will be offline for the next 15 hours, but I will touch bases when I am back online. — CodeMed 5 hours ago

Faheem Mitha

22:13

@derobert Why odd?

@derobert It did. But I prefer the main chatroom. For one thing there are others in the main chatroom that might be willing to take an interest.

Yes, I see the poster in question is having trouble getting into chat.

@derobert You know a lot more about this than I do, at least.

@derobert If you mean the offline/online thing, I think maybe he meant he would be AFK.

jimmij

23:10

Does anyone is able to see deleted comments? Or they are deleted for real?

Faheem Mitha

@jimmij I think they're deleted for real.

If you have over 10k you can see deleted answers.

Gilles

@jimmij moderators can see deleted comments

jimmij

OK

thx

Faheem Mitha

I see the delete queue doesn't get much activity.

unix.stackexchange.com/tools?tab=delete

jimmij

@FaheemMitha propose something for deletion, I will review

Faheem Mitha

23:25

@jimmij :-) Good response.

jimmij

23:39

BTW, why don't you review guys? For example @Gilles leads in all possible UL rankings but reviews stat.

Gilles

@jimmij I can't do everything. I don't even have time to answer all the questions I want to answer.

Unix & Linux doesn't lack reviewers, so I don't spend much time on it here.

I do more reviewing on other sites that lack manpower, like Cryptography

Faheem Mitha

@jimmij Gilles may seem superhuman (and maybe he is), but even Superman needs to rest once in a while. Personally, I'm still inclining to the bot theory. Or an army of clones.

@jimmij I probably should do some reviewing, but I'm lazy. I do do a fair amount of editing though. Mostly it is my OCD - I can't stand to see misspellings or bad grammar without trying to fix it.

The other thing is that in many cases I'm not qualified to review. My knowledge of nix is rather sketchy.

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