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Braiam

03:16

5

Q: Let's have an explicit triage system for questions from new users

This is a follow-up feature-request based on: How can we make First Posts review actually useful? - big thanks to everyone who participated there, I've tried to incorporate the feedback into the design below. I've spent the past few weeks thinking about how we can do a better job of handling que...

Patrick

04:13

Any opinions on the 'packet-redirection' tag on this question?

I'm of the opinion that it should not be there. The appropriate tag would be 'routing' or 'iptables'. I think creating the tag for this one question isn't warranted. But seeing as it was done by a mod, obviously not everyone shares the opinion.

'ethernet' definitely shouldn't be there either. Has absolutely nothing to do with 802.3

probably 'internet' too. Sigh, tags are a disaster there :-/

Seth

If it were me I'd probably tag it routing and networking, along with tor perhaps.

I can't see any use in Michael's creation of the "packet-redirection" tag.

I don't see a point in ethernet either.

Dunno about internet.. but probably not really applicable.

Patrick

How do you do tags in chat?

Seth

Interesting question though :)

@Patrick [tag:tagName] or [meta-tag:tagName]

Patrick

@Seth ty

Seth

np ;)

Kiwy

09:07

hello everybody have a good day :)

@terdon are you sure about that ?

@FaheemMitha with those sort of reward I would weight dozens of kilos more

Faheem Mitha

09:22

@Kiwy How many dozens of kilos do you weigh now? :-)

@Kiwy Apparently that is conventional wisdom on the subject.

Kiwy

@FaheemMitha only 68, but I tend to loose weight those day, thanks to the non cupcakes reward

@FaheemMitha because I tried at a moment to clean some tag

and at a point I remember being confuse about the meta definition of tag excerpt and wiki

terdon

09:47

Blog - Stack Exchange: Redesigned Tags Page

Jeff Atwood on March 23, 2011

In the spirit of our recent redesign of the users page, we felt it was time to enhance the tags page, too.

As you can see, the tags page now shows a bit more information about each tag, namely:

The first three lines of the tag wiki excerpt for the tag. The number of questions asked in that tag over the last two relevant time intervals — day, week, or month. These intervals are also clickable so you can zoom into recent questions with the tag.

The number of questions asked in that tag over the last two relevant time intervals — day, week, or month. These intervals are also clickable so you can zoom into recent questions with the tag. …

Ionicã Bizãu

Morning!

terdon

Hi @IonicãBizãu :)

Ionicã Bizãu

Hi @terdon! :D

terdon

Just so you know, posting your question in chat just after posting it on the site is considered bad form.

Ionicã Bizãu

...I'm so happy because BAC exams are gone :-)

Ok, removed it.

I saw previous links to questions in this room, so I think it is ok to post mine too

Kiwy

09:50

@IonicãBizãu french ?

Ionicã Bizãu

@Kiwy Salut! :-)

I'm Romanian

Kiwy

@IonicãBizãu after some time only not just after you posted it

terdon

@IonicãBizãu Whohoooo! :)

Kiwy

@IonicãBizãu you also have a BAC exam ?

terdon

Also, @IonicãBizãu did you follow the instructions here?

Ionicã Bizãu

09:52

Yes, at the end of the high school, in Romania, students have the bac exams

I obtained 9.38/10, that is pretty good :-)

@terdon Yes, I did

terdon

OK, please add that to your question.

Ionicã Bizãu

Updated

Kiwy

@IonicãBizãu Congrats :)

terdon

Does anyone here use KDE?

Ionicã Bizãu

@Kiwy Thank you :-)

Kiwy

10:02

@terdon under heavy pressure only sorry

Ionicã Bizãu

I used long time ago

terdon

OK, I just wanted to try something and I don't have it installed.

Relative paths in desktop entries are non-portable - in GNOME this will run the script next to the .desktop, but in KDE it will run from ~. — Michael Homer 13 hours ago

^^ I trust Michael, I've read a few of his answers and he seems to know his stuff but that sounds amazingly idiotic.

Ionicã Bizãu

Interesting

Kiwy

@terdon NO idea at all I don't use desktop shortcup ever nor on windows nor on gnome

terdon

Yeah, I never use them either.

The specification is not very clear on the subject:

> The executable program can either be specified with its full path or with the name of the executable only. If no full path is provided the executable is looked up in the $PATH environment variable used by the desktop environment.

standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/…

Ionicã Bizãu

10:06

@terdon Thanks for edit!

terdon

@IonicãBizãu No problem.

Ionicã Bizãu

A good answer is welcome as well :-)

terdon

If I had one, I'd give it :)

Faheem Mitha

@terdon Yes, but only nominally.

terdon

@FaheemMitha Huh? What do you mean?

Faheem Mitha

10:22

@terdon I mean I don't use any advanced features. No fancy keyboard things, no search function (turned it off). Just the default settings mostly.

terdon

Ah, I see. OK, if you have nothing better to do, I'd appreciate it if you could confirm that .desktop files don't deal with relative paths correctly on KDE.

Faheem Mitha

10:47

@terdon sure, if you can give me instructions what to do. Bear in mind, this is debian wheezy, so out of date kde by defn. actually,out of date everything.

except the stuff i've backported. obviously, i haven't backported kde

you should know that I don't know what a .desktop file is. Sorry.

This question, I presume.

terdon

@FaheemMitha Yes, exactly.

Just create a file on your Desktop with the contents of my answer there and name it foo.desktop

Make sure the script in the exec field points to something simple like echo foo > ~/test

Then check if double clicking on the file and choosing "run in terminal" or whatever KDE tells you successfully executes the script despite having used a relative and not absolute path.

Faheem Mitha

12:23

@terdon Ok. Trying now.

Kiwy

Does one of you have an answer about difference between simple and double quote in bash processing ?

terdon

@Kiwy Yes. There is also a Q on that I think. What's your issue?

Kiwy

a password containing ! that i need to use as argument, I'm pretty sure I already saw the question asked and well answer by one of the bots of U&L

Faheem Mitha

@terdon this is going to sound dumb, but how do i access foo.desktop? I would expact an icon on the screen, but there isn't one. do i need to set the permissions on foo.desktop?

terdon

18

A: When is double-quoting necessary?

First, separate zsh from the rest. It's not a matter of old vs modern shells: zsh behaves differently. The zsh designers decided to make it incompatible with traditional shells (Bourne, ksh, bash), but easier to use. Second, it is far easier to use double quotes all the time than to remember whe...

@FaheemMitha No, there should be an icon on the screen. If you've created it as ~/Desktop/foo.desktop. Although last time I used KDE it had some kind of strange paradigm for the desktop where it was no longer a regular directory.

@Kiwy Use single quotes. In double quotes the ! will be interpreted as a history command.

Kiwy

12:33

54

Q: Difference between single and double quotes in bash

In Bash shell scripting, what is the difference between single quotes ('') and double quotes ("")?

bash syntax

Faheem Mitha

@terdon Yes, it is ~/Desktop/foo.desktop

terdon

$ echo "!"
bash: !: event not found
$ echo '!'
!

Faheem Mitha

faheem@orwell:~/Desktop$ ls -lah foo.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 faheem faheem 72 Jul 15 17:56 foo.desktop

terdon

OK, then KDE is using some other scheme for showing stuff on the Desktop. Never mind, this was just idle curiosity on my part, not worth you spending more effort on it.

Faheem Mitha

faheem@orwell:~/Desktop$ cat foo.desktop
[Desktop Entry]
Type=Application
Terminal=true
Name=RunMe
Exec=./run.sh

@terdon It is possible I'm missing the icon. Anyone else who does such things here?

'So, uh, we did the green study again and got no link. It was probably a--' 'RESEARCH CONFLICTED ON GREEN JELLY BEAN/ACNE LINK; MORE STUDY RECOMMENDED!'

Funny stuff. If you know a little statistics, at least. And perhaps even if you don't.

terdon

12:36

@FaheemMitha That should have made it show up, it works on Gnome. But, as I said, I think KDE uses a completely different system for the Desktop. It is not a normal directory any more. Who knows why they thought that'd be a good idea...

@FaheemMitha Yeah. I like that one. Multiple testing correction anyone?

Faheem Mitha

@terdon I've got stuff all over my screen, but I moved it around. I didn't see the icon anywhere, but it is possible I wasn't looking carefully enough.

@terdon The scary part is there are published papers out there with this sort of reasoning.

terdon

Yup.

Faheem Mitha

I've read some frighteningly high estimates of how many published papers have incorrect statistics in them.

Kiwy

@FaheemMitha this one deserve a star, statistic inception is awesome !

Faheem Mitha

@Kiwy inception?

Hardly on-topic, though.

Patrick

12:47

@Kiwy The users answering questions are bots now? :-)

Kiwy

@FaheemMitha statistics about incorrect statistics some recursive concept :D

@Patrick well you know, @Gilles and others :D

terdon

13:46

@goldilocks I can let the OP chat in the room if you really want to move into chat. Let me know.

Kiwy

@terdon @slm @moderators don't you think that guy need a bit of moderation

terdon

That guy?

Kiwy

user74548

56 4

iptables security firewall apache bandwidth centos httpd

he asks 5 questions about very simple iptables issues in less than 4hours

almost all already answered

terdon

Yeah, he's also responding quite aggressively to comments. I'll keep an eye on him.

Kiwy

@terdon @slm @moderators don't you think that guy need a bit of moderation

terdon

14:00

Yeah, we saw it the first time :)

the amerikan opened fire on the masses down below. that tendon amerikan f....r — user74548 2 mins ago

Ramesh

@terdon, just now flagged it :)

Patrick

its not a duplicate. they just jealous slash mad because i asked too many questions.. ( different ) — user74548 29 secs ago

^ I'd say we've got a troll

goldilocks

@terdon I think that s/he should have been able to, actually. The fact that it loads with you logged out is a bit confusing.

terdon

@Patrick @goldilocks it's starting to look like he's Sumer, our old troll friend.

Ramesh

should we downvote his questions so that he cannot ask more?

terdon

14:07

@goldilocks He should have, yes. Perhaps he got his upvotes after the fact or he's just trolling. What loads with you logged out?

goldilocks

I think s/he's just frustrated. @terdon THAT GUY? I thought he was in jail, lol. Why do you think it's him?

terdon

Oh, and sorry if I was a bit heavy handed with your comments, I may have throuwn out some wheat along with the chaff.

goldilocks

@terdon The "invitation to chat" room.

Patrick

@goldilocks Well his latest question is an EXACT duplicate of his previous one, which has an accepted answer...

terdon

@goldilocks Sounds like him, he called me amerikan and he got aggressive and nationalistic very quickly. As well as his insistence on doing things the way he believes they should be done, not they way they actually are. Also some super secret mod stuff.

Ramesh

14:09

He also calls you tendon...

stupid guy

goldilocks

@Patrick Yeah, but I think in his mind the problem was the first version was not right, so he tried again.

@terdon I missed that part. Sumer had more pronounced oddball qualities, I think, and usually did not have any legit question at all. This person seems legitimately confused, as opposed to trying to play clown.

Ramesh

Is sumer the user's screen name or you guys nick named ?

terdon

@goldilocks Did you see how he reacted to my asking everyone to stop posting so many comments?

@Ramesh His real name.

goldilocks

@Ramesh Google Sumer Kolkak

sorry -- Kolcak

terdon

duckduckgo.com/?t=lm&q=sumer+kolcak

Ramesh

14:17

Wow, seems a complete lunatic to me.

goldilocks

@terdon I knew someone online who was a bit like this and turned out to have Asberger's. No filter, sort of paranoid and defensive. He was not a bad guy, I think he just had a hard time understanding how he was perceived, and took imperative statements the wrong way.

But Sumer is like, a genuine sociopath.

terdon

@goldilocks Or something, yeah. He's definitely not healthy.

Ramesh

@goldilocks, isn't it tourettes?

I am sorry couldn't resist posting this video. :)

terdon

And, let's be honest here, it takes some effort to be considered socially unwell by a group of *nix geeks!

5

Ramesh

►

goldilocks

14:21

@terdon If you search for images Sumer Kolcak it start to get interesting, lol.

Squint at (3) and see if you recognize that name.

terdon

@goldilocks Shit!

Kiwy

@goldilocks W T F

goldilocks

@Kiwy Last time I found this there was more context -- he used to work for (?) ETRADE and they had a restraining order against him, which he published online as an example of how he's being persecuted: liveleak.com/view?i=289_1353646366 <- Seems he threatened someone there with violence.

Kiwy

@goldilocks some persons are not meant to live in society

terdon

OK, I can confirm it was indeed Sumer. Gone now.

goldilocks

14:32

@terdon Can I ask how?

terdon

@goldilocks IP

@goldilocks sorry about that, the deletion cost you some rep :(

Kiwy

@terdon you modos have real super powers

goldilocks

@terdon I'll live. Got my eye on the #5 spot ;)

More pissed about having been fooled into giving the man my time.

Patrick

14:48

@goldilocks Once I see 4 questions on almost the same subject within a 24-hour span, I generally stop trying to help that user.

terdon

@goldilocks Down boy!

Patrick

Thoughts on this question?

0

Q: CentOS 7, CUDA and Optimus: will they get along?

I have successfully installed CUDA SDK in recent Fedora versions using Bumblebee in my Optimus enabled laptop. Now I'm moving to CentOS 7 and I would like to do the same. Has anybody gone through this process yet? Which steps are to be followed for not breaking the system?

centos nvidia bumblebee

I think 'closed - too broad'. It's a very open ended question, with no problem being solved.

but It's not our usual type of question that gets closed, so not completely certain about it

terdon

Sorry but such hypothetical/open ended questions are off topic here. If you do end up trying this, we would be happy to help with any problems you encounter but this site is not suited to discussions (which is what this post will start). It would be a great topic to ask about in our chat room though! — terdon ♦ 22 secs ago

Patrick

well, that answers that

terdon

:)

Peque

15:08

Yeah, sorry for that ;-)

Should I delete it? or leave it there?

Patrick

@Peque It's up to you. If you don't, it'll get removed by the system automatically in a few weeks

Peque

@Patrick: ok :-)

I think I'll ask in #centos to see if somebody has already tried CUDA+Optimus in CentOS 7

terdon

@Peque No worries, understanding the limits of on and off topic is sometimes hard.

Peque

I'll try to stick to unix.stackexchange.com/help/dont-ask in the future! :-P

terdon

Though why you would want to use optimus on a centOS box is beyond me.

Are you going to use CentOS as a personal operating system?

Patrick

15:13

Sorry to discourage you, we love new people here. Just the type of questions welcome is a bit more restrictive than your usual community

terdon

Yes, new users == good!

Peque

@Patrick: don't worry. I'm very happy with what the stackexchange community has done for me! ;-)

That's why I recently created an account to start (modestly) helping others with my little knowledge xD

@terdon: well, CentOS is the OS that I'll be using in "production", so why not starting using it right away?

CUDA is not mandatory, but convenient

terdon

@Peque It depends. It just doesn't make much sense to use an old, extremely stable and in some ways limited distribution on a laptop for example.

I would just have a Fedora running on the personal machine and leave CentOS for the servers.

To each his own of course.

Peque

that's what I've been doing for the last couple of years

and I love Fedora

but couldn't resist to try CentOS 7...

xD

terdon

I just have no idea how CentOS would deal with things like optimus. I predict you will find it more trouble than it's worth but I don't really know. @slm might, he's our red hat guy.

Peque

15:19

well, CUDA is officially supported for CentOS

but the problem is (as always with my computer), Optimus

I made a really bad decision when I bought it, but didn't know much about computers 4 years ago...

/me discovered what Optimus was after installing Fedora to his computer and trying to install NVIDIA drivers

terdon

As I said, I really don't know. Since CentOS is a server os though, I doubt they'd have put any effort into making it work.

@Peque ouch...

Peque

you're probably right

:-)

slm

@Peque I would try to refine the Q so it's more specific, it's not a bad area to further develop on the site with Q&A

terdon

@Peque listen to the man, he knows his RPM based distros.

Peque

@slm: I may try to install and configure CUDA SDK by my own this weekend (then I'll get into trouble and I'll have more specific questions). ;-)

For now, as I kept my Fedora installation, I will reboot and continue working with it. :-)

Thanks anyway for your help!

slm

15:31

Typically the CentOS/RHEL releases show Fedora releases fairly well, so I would fully expect things that worked in say Fedora 6 to work equally well in CentOS 4, for CentOS 5 it was Fedora 12-14, for CentOS 6 I'm expecting things from the Fedora rels 18-20

terdon

Didn't we have a Q about how NTFS permissions are set?

slm

Hence why I'd typically used Fedora 6, Fedora 10, Fedora 14, and now Fedora 19-20

@Peque ^^^^

I would give it a try, worst case is you're the guy that becomes the expert w/ this domain of knowledge and you'll be able to answer other's Q's 8-)

Peque

8-)

slm

@Peque BTW I used your deleted Q to create the centos7 tag.

we'll undoubtedly be getting Q's geared just to that distro

Peque

Cool, I couldn't create it because I didn't have 300 :-P

terdon

15:35

Patience small one, it will come :)

Peque

xD

terdon

(small because of your name, just to avoid confusion)

Peque

good catch ;-)

slm

@terdon -for my job desc. I put Paladin just for you

terdon

@slm Ha! :)

@Peque Tampoco fue tan difícil tío...

Peque

15:37

@terdon: well, for those non-Spanish speakers, is not trivial, as it is not exactly "pequeño" :-P

Faheem Mitha

@terdon you should say grasshopper. Or maybe padawan.

Oh, god, I just made a Star Wars reference. <shudders>

terdon

@FaheemMitha His name is a common abbreviation of small in Spanish. Often used to address children.

Patrick

/me has a bad feeling about this question, and the user asking.

Peque

But, above that, it is my (real) surname ;-)

Faheem Mitha

@terdon Ooh, multicultural.

terdon

15:39

@Peque Shit, seriously? You must have had fun in school if you live in Spain...

@Patrick Yup. Same guy, 99% sure.

Peque

Hahaha. I did, and I do! :-D

Patrick

@terdon Trolls these days. No talent...

terdon

Yeah...

Faheem Mitha

@Patrick Why? Not enough research effort?

Or are you getting a sulphur smell?

Patrick

@FaheemMitha No, I have a feeling it's the same troll we had earlier

terdon

15:42

Same subject, same style, same other secret mod indications...

Faheem Mitha

@Patrick Earlier when?

Patrick

2 hours ago, by Kiwy

@terdon @slm @moderators don't you think that guy need a bit of moderation

Faheem Mitha

@Patrick ok

terdon

I'm leaving the question for the moment. It's the same guy, 99% sure, but it seems like it might be a useful Q.

Kiwy

@terdon he's definitely the same guy not knowing how to write a descent title

Ramesh

15:48

Seeing the question, it seems very legit. At what point the trolls decide to do foul play?

slm

Leaving him gives him a foothold for more annoyances.

your call though

terdon

@all last time this happened @slm and I were not mods but a few of us got involved in stopping him with the help of Michael.

slm

@Ramesh it's generally in the comments. The more annoying thing though is that when the acct turns rogue and we have to delete it, all the rep goes by by

terdon

We had decided to just delete on sight since even his good questions quickly degenerated into train wrecks.

Ramesh

So is it not possible to delete the user alone leaving the genuine questions he had asked?

terdon

15:51

@Ramesh Yes

That's what I did a couple of hours ago.

slm

I would advise to just leave him as is, which is fine advice if you're a regular, but the less frequent members don't know and think...ooo a Q to A so they do, then later when we delete the acct their rep get's subtracted

goldilocks

@terdon Very perverse modus operandi that guy has.

slm

@Ramesh no, when we ran into as regular users i copy/pasted a couple of Q&As myself that were good just to keep them

Ramesh

@slm, that's really bad. The answerer puts in effort to answer the questions. So if the user is deleted for some notorious activity, only the account should get deleted.

terdon

Hmm, I could try baiting him... Just leave a comment saying something like "IPTABLES only works correctly in the US of A where God holds sway"

slm

15:52

this is the joy that the trolls are extracting from the site

terdon

That should lure him into the open quickly enough.

slm

@terdon that'll do it

Ramesh

@terdon, but if it is a really genuine guy he might get a bad first impression of our site.

terdon

@Ramesh Yes. I am reasonably sure it's the same guy though.

slm

i just wouldn't engage in any form

Ramesh

15:55

I am really sad that people use such a wonderful forum for their sick pleasures.

slm

the attention is what the troll craves, ignoring them completely is the best med

terdon

Sod it, he's the same guy, I'm deleting before he dupes more people into answering.

Kiwy

@slm people want more rep points, so they answer even obvious troll because it's often easy !

anyway I'm off for today

see you :)

Peque

16:11

I'm off too ;-)

Thanks again for your help! :-D

slm

@Ramesh it's sad but whether it's here or somewhere else in the world we have a distribution curve of all kinds of ppl within humanity. We out number these types and just have to work together to contain them, much like a zoo 8-)

Patrick

16:29

@Gnouc Why did you approve this edit? Removing information and putting it in an external link is something we generally try to avoid.

terdon

@Patrick Rolled it back.

Gnouc

16:51

@Patrick: Sorry, my silly mouse, "double click", I'am going to replace it.

derobert

18:37

Anyone know if we have a question on how to edit the kernel command line in GRUB? I can't find one, and OP here unix.stackexchange.com/questions/144681/debian-disables-irqs seems to need one.

Ramesh

18:52

@derobert, does this help?

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A: RHEL - shutdown a locked out system

The easiest way to gain access to a system that you do not have root privileges on is to power cycle the system, typically by holding the power button in and counting to say 10. Once the system is shutdown, turn the power back on via the power button. As the system boots you'll get to the Grub m...

Ramesh

19:07

@slm, @terdon, is this the same guy posing as guest?

0

Q: Ubuntu 12. 04 Firewall for Browsing

I am worried about the disabled firewall in Ubuntu Desktop and would like to enable ufw. Is it possible to configure it just for browsing using firefox, e-mailing using thunderbird and updating the system? I would like to make have the maximum possible security being able to brows the internet, ...

ubuntu ufw

UzumakiDev

20:04

I don't know much about bash but I have an Icon and I have start-tor-browser what exactly do I have to do to set up my icon so i can set it up that when I click it it opens tor browser

Patrick

21:43

Damn, user deleted that ssh-keygen randomart question. I'm going to re-ask it because I thought it was interesting

Or, I forgot, i can vote to undelete :-)

derobert

22:19

@Patrick which question was this?

Patrick

@derobert unix.stackexchange.com/questions/144702/…

derobert

Ah, found it, added an undelete vote. Guess it needs one more.

Patrick

both the links on it are talking about host keys, OP is asking about user keys, not sure why he deleted

derobert

Probably because of the STFW comments

Patrick

STFW?

derobert

22:22

search the fine web

Patrick

ah, heh :-)

derobert

fine of course often being replaced with a less friendly word beginning with the same letter.

Braiam

@terdon I'm thinking in one Q about that

derobert

It looks like we have a trend today of people deleting their questions once answered... unix.stackexchange.com/questions/144713/… is another (10k, again, of course)

Not a very good question, given

Braiam

needs 10k already

derobert

22:26

Patrick

Yeah, not a great question, but still answerable.

derobert

yep, got an answer in a comment, proceeded to delete

But the randomart in the client ssh key is worth undeleting. Honestly, I hope @Patrick knows what that's for, because I don't...

Patrick

@derobert I have an educated guess why it's there, but I'm not certain.

derobert

unix.stackexchange.com/questions/144706/… ... another deleted after getting an answer. Though I guess this one is OK, we'd probably close it as a "typo"

@Patrick I'd guess the same code generates host keys. But other than that, no idea.

Patrick

ssh-keygen is also the utility which generates host keys. With host keys, those other links demonstrate the usefulness. And since it's the exact same process generating both a user key & a host key, it doesn't know which you're really doing.

@derobert Aye, exactly my thought :-P

Braiam

22:29

when mc moves it copies then delete?

Patrick

@Braiam mv? when you cross filesystem boundaries

derobert

@Braiam comment posted telling OP to actually list the zip files and diff the listings

Braiam

@Patrick midnight commander

derobert

Patrick

ohh, wow, mc. I havent touched that in years

Braiam

22:30

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Q: What's your bug, feature request, or meta-discussion topic? Be specific

The most upvoted answer in the questionnaire in the recent moderator election, pointed out two issues: U&L is way below average among SE sites when it comes to questions with at least one upvoted answers not everyone shares this impression of being welcomed The second one is a highly subjecti...

discussion question-quality answer-quality votes

derobert

@Braiam then one minute later, delete

Braiam

great...

derobert

But that one at least seems OK. OP diff'd them, realized it was a stupid typo.

Braiam

@Nit Damn it all to hell, I just failed this exact review myself. — Bill the Lizard ♦ Jun 27 at 18:31

derobert

Hah, yeah, the review audits, that wonderfully vexing half-broken feature...

slm

22:36

@Patrick or you could just ask me to undelete it 8-)

Patrick

I believe in democracy :-P

slm

@Patrick me too but if you and deroberts like it that's a moral majority around here

derobert

@slm Well, if you vote to undelete it, it'll be the 3rd, which I think is what it takes... so you wouldn't even be using your super-vote.

Patrick

What derobert said :-)

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Braiam

@derobert sometimes, they are a necessity

derobert

22:40

@Braiam oh yeah, there are definitely robo-reviewers!

BTW, note I added a one-sentence clarification at the end that the question is about host keys. Guess I should change the title as well.

Braiam

@derobert "super-vote"? you mean diamond-hammer ;)

derobert

@Braiam I'm not sure it's properly called a mod-hammer when undeleting/reopening...

Patrick

@derobert well, hammers can be used to build things :-)

slm

@derobert even better, that way no one will accuse me of abusing any magical powers that I don't actually have 8-)

derobert

@Patrick not mod-hammers, which I'm pretty sure are a subclass of ban-hammers.

slm

22:45

It'd be nice if that gave us an actual hammer.

with diamonds 8-)

Braiam

@slm ask for your hat!!!!!!!!!1

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cc @terdon ^

derobert

Hah, that would be a nice mod gift. Hammer with the Unix.SE logo on one face, a diamond on the other. Suspect they didn't because couldn't find a blacksmith willing to take unicoins for it.

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Faheem Mitha

what's the good way to recursively remove files of the form *~ from a directory? Using find, perhaps?

slm

sweet that would be so awesome

derobert

@FaheemMitha yep, find -name '*~' -type f -delete

slm

22:48

the single ticks are important

derobert

... well, of course, trying that with -print instead of -delete first is strongly advised.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert that's neat, but i can never remember stuff like that. thanks.

~ files are not very useful in practice. they never seem to have anything i need. mostly useless clutter.

@derobert testing things - always a good idea.

derobert

@FaheemMitha They're editor backup files, typically. You can probably turn them off.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Yes, from emacs. And I guess I could. But I have the nagging feeling that if I do, one day I will regret it.

derobert

BTW: I found you can stack plasma widgets on top of each other. So you can stack an eyes on top of a moon...

Faheem Mitha

22:52

@derobert They don't have blacksmiths now. It's the 21st century. They have 3d printers instead.

derobert

Braiam

just who pinged me?

derobert

@Braiam You should have a little '(1)' to click somewhere to let you know...

Well, or maybe a (2) now :-P

Braiam

nah, I was in other room and saw that someone pinged me, but when I changed the room there was nothing...

Faheem Mitha

They do this weird thing of sticking a number there. you're supposed to vote if you find it offensive. what do we care what people are doing in other channels? this time it was some video called light bringer something.

i've no idea what the song is about. maybe if you understood the lyrics you'd find it offensive.

derobert

22:56

@FaheemMitha If I remember correctly, first it tries same channel, then same site, and only network-wide if it isn't handled.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert oh. what does handled mean here?

derobert

@FaheemMitha gets enough yes/no votes to be dismissed one way or the other

enough yes votes delete it, and I think also give a short chat ban

Faheem Mitha

@derobert I see.

derobert

Long ago, all chat flags got raised network wide... that was pretty bad. Also, they had the default view action be join room. So if you flagged something, suddenly a bunch of 10k (or is it 20k?) users would join the room, from all across the network. Thankfully, they changed it.

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