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1:01 AM
Can someone let me know if this answer is whether correct or wrong?
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A: What's the easiest way to resize an ext4 partition from the command line?

RameshYou can refer to the examples here. Example on growing a filesystem 2 GB which is the home directory umount /home lvextend -L +2G /dev/VolGroup00/Home00 e2fsck -fy /dev/VolGroup00/Home00 resize2fs /dev/VolGroup00/Home00 mount /home Example on shrinking a filesystem umount /home e2fsck -f /de...

 
1:54 AM
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Q: How do I log out/disconnect from SSH after starting a process with output to keep it running?

user2344668I ran a script from the command line today (php, not sure that matters) which has output I wanted to watch but I had to go home before it finished and I couldn't figure out how to exit without killing the script. Normally I just close the laptop (hibernate) but it doesn't appear the script finish...

anyone know offhand the master Q&A this is a dup of?
 
2:21 AM
in The Comms Room, 2 mins ago, by Journeyman Geek
Good equipment should be tough enough to beat someone to death with, wipe down, and still function.
@casey IMO he wants tmux/screen or similar
 
2:45 AM
@Ramesh Why? That's not asking about learning materials, it's basically asking "Where is config.gz"?
 
@terdon, retracted. Having a terrible day from morning. :(
Apparently 2 incorrect answers from morning is taking the toll I guess :)
 
 
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6:11 AM
how to install fedora onto a partition
 
6:34 AM
Other mind.
 
 
5 hours later…
11:21 AM
Hello everybody
 
slm
hey kiwy
 
Yo!
 
it's been a while
but applying for a job has been the busiest job I ever get :D
btw I voted for you
 
@Kiwy Yeah, searching for a job is a full time job.
And who did you vote for? Slm or me?
(you don't need to answer that, I'm just asking for clarification)
 
@terdon yep I didn't know it was XD
and in fact both of you in the order slm -> terdon
 
11:31 AM
Good choice :)
 
:D I don't know if it's good, I voted for your avatars not your skills :P
 
I have to say that Caleb posted some very decent and reasonable answers to the meta Qs.
@Kiwy Yeah, slm has the most beautiful and unique avatar on the site :P
 
@terdon that's true, your's not so good indeed
anyway, now I have a job, I will probably be able to use stackechange a bit more
but certainly less than in my previous job
 
11:48 AM
@Kiwy Cool! Well done :) Are you still in Belgium?
 
@terdon no in my home town Lyon
I missed the social inssurance
 
@Kiwy Ey! Trop bien, welcome home!
 
12:04 PM
@terdon merci beaucoup , let's meet one day as you work in marseille or something like this ?
 
@Kiwy With pleasure :)
Let me know if you come down this way.
 
^^ let me know if you come up to the north, as you may know winter is coming
 
 
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1:40 PM
OK, minor but persistent problem I've been seeing with emacs when trying to compile LaTeX. C-c C-c.
Warning (server): Unable to start the Emacs server.
There is an existing Emacs server, named "server".
To start the server in this Emacs process, stop the existing
server or call `M-x server-force-delete' to forcibly disconnect it.
Warning (server): Unable to start the Emacs server.
Might be this emacs snippet -
(require 'edit-server)
(edit-server-start)
 
1:54 PM
Not sure whether this would be more on-topic at tex.sx or here. Opinions?
 
@FaheemMitha just remove the server lines from your .emacs. If I'm not mistaken, those are starting a server which should not be needed for C-c C-c. I don't have them in any case and don't have the issue you describe.
 
2:09 PM
@FaheemMitha seconding what @terdon said. I don't have the server lines and I can compile $\latex$ fine
 
2:53 PM
@terdon @casey I think those lines are there because of the chrome/chromium edit emacs extension. Which is useful when it works, but doesn't work reliably.
I see some mention of this in emacswiki.org/emacs/Edit_with_Emacs
But maybe it should be wrapped with something -
See the "Controlling invocation" invocation.
 
3:16 PM
@FaheemMitha hang on, I take that back. I also have those two lines (precisely because of that same extension) and yet can compile LaTex with no problem. You can see my entire .emacs file here: pastebin.com/0SXAf21a
 
@terdon Yes, I see it.
I've taken those two lines out for the moment. I only occasionally edit emacs buffers from chromium, but I use emacs for regular editina all the time, and it was driving me batty.
 
3:31 PM
I've had other problems with the emacs server extn. For exmple, inside psql (PostgreSQL command line) I run \e to bring up emacs, but when my editor was the emacs server, it would sometimes hang, saying it was waiting for the server. Didn't look into it, still not sure if that is expected behavior or not. I've now set export PSQL_EDITOR="emacs -nw" so that problem is gone away.
 
 
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5:36 PM
Does anyone see a big con with remapping the vim hjkl "arrow keys" to jkl;? Meaning, shifting them 1 right so that they are the home keys
 
@Rojo Yes. Two things really.
① Basically all the keys are accounted for. If you change mappings like that you also need to replace mappings for the keys you just stole, and so and so on until you remap everything. A halfway remap will leave you with severely broken functionality.
② You won't be able to use vim effectively without your customization. I'm a big fan of plugins and extra customization, but when you change the core things you leave yourself frustrated when you land on a machine without your rc file.
 
1) I see that, but I am new to vim, and I am only "stealing" the semicolon character, and so far I haven't used it. I wonder.
2) Makes sense. I wonder what's best. Right now, I am using a lot another app that uses jkl; as arrows, so I am getting confused while switching to the hjkl of vim
 
In this case you start by breaking the backwards search and next character match keys. You can of course replace them, but pretty soon you won't be able to follow vim tutorials or use some plugins or even use vanilla installs.
 
Perhaps I could try changing the other application, but it's dumb to be using 2 sets of arrow keys
And, truthfully, jkl; make more sense to me since they are right under your fingers
@Caleb But I don't plan to remap the colon (Shift+;)
 
@Rojo You haven't used it YET, but if you keep learning you will. I think it's better to learn the default patterns well before you start changing them much because you won't even know what you are missing.
 
5:49 PM
@Caleb Then it probably makes sense to change the other software, because it is way less standard than vim
 
@Rojo and what apps to you have that use jkl;? I've never seen that, usually if they use those keys they follow the default vim pattern.
 
@Caleb A tiling window manager, i3
It's quite easy to customize, so it wouldn't be a problem to change
and some firefox extension, but that's because I had changed the keys to jk;
 
@Rojo ; (semicolon) has a function too. When you use f, F, t and T operations to seek to characters in a line ; acts as a "go to next match" operation.
 
@Rojo are the order of the arrows in those keys in i3 the same as vim, or are jk still down/up?
 
@casey Same order. Just shifted one key right. So j left, k down, l up, ; right
So far I have been shifting my hand a key every time I use vim
 
5:52 PM
I don't like that :) down under your index finger makes the most sense
 
so that's why it's vim what "feelis awkward"
 
but admittedly, I'm an arrow key guy
 
@casey In the window manager I don't use up and down more than left/right
I think I'll tweak i3 and others to be like vim then
 
@Rojo do whatever works for you, no need to conform for conformance sake
 
@Rojo If you are really hitting those motion keys so much you think it makes a difference you need to learn some of the other motion operators in vim!
 
5:54 PM
and yes, the arrows / hjkl are not the best way to move around
 
@Caleb Oh, I know some other motions. I am just quite new to all of this, so it takes some time to get fluent
 
@Rojo That would be my suggestion as you will bump into that configuration a lot of places and not all of them will be readily configurable. Better to adjust your muscle memory while it's fresh.
 
That's why I try to unify it a little. Right now, changing tabs has some shortcut in the WM, some other in Firefox, some other in gnome-terminal, etc
It makes no sense to keep the defaults
I guess Iĺl ctry to change the defaults in the "less common" programs
and keep the ones that are more standard like vim
 
@Rojo it'll definitely take time, lots of it, but once you are proficient you'll be amazed at how quick you can edit things.
 
Thanks guys
or girls
or FBI agents posing as nerd kids
 
6:03 PM
I'm actually a Turing test certified script running on a computer in a refurbished soviet era bunker somewhere in eastern europe.
 
@casey What you wearin?
 
last time a human interacted with my console, he asked "How can the net amount of entropy of the universe be massively decreased?"
@Rojo a faded beige radiation-hardened steel shell :)
 
@casey 42-1?
 
@terdon its from an Asimov short story. The answer take generations upon generations to find, but an answer is found
 
@casey Cool, I was just about to ask which story. Thanks.
 
6:12 PM
its a quick read, and I like the ending :)
 
Done. All set the vim way
 
6:36 PM
> I have a friend who uses Gentoo, and well ... let's just say it's difficult to drink beer with someone who insists on building his drink "from scratch" and with "optimized hops", not to mention, the hot waitress doesn't appreciate his need to know her on a "low-level, stripped down without the bloat" kind of way.
O_O
 
Without trying to start a distro war, that viewpoint of gentoo is one of the annoying stereotypes about it.
Does this question make sense to anyone? I seriously don't get what is being asked:
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Q: The shell command "top" shows which processes from the /proc directory?

FahadThe manual page states, The top program provides a dynamic real-time view of a running system. It can display system summary information as well as a list of processes or threads currently being managed by the Linux kernel. The types of system summary information shown and...

 
slm
@Patrick Seems like a tutorial of how to digest top's output would suffice
 
Then what's the /proc thing in the subject about?
 
slm
I took that the OP was trying to show that they had either "some understanding of Linux underpinnings" or that they were misinformed.
@Braiam - does the voting on the page where the candidates write their answers to the Q's serve any purpose?
 
@slm nope
 
slm
6:50 PM
thanks
 
Can use voting as an indicator of which ones you've read :-)
 
slm
@Patrick - I was just doing that. So by that I'm zero 8-)
 
@slm havent read yours or kevin's yet. will in a few :-)
...or deroberts
 
slm
7:06 PM
@Patrick - yes there's a lot to read there
 
@Gilles In response to your LMGFY message, how about this one?: unix.stackexchange.com/questions/137670/…
 
@Patrick arg! I knew I was a meta-Q short... the binary questions
 
7:34 PM
@Patrick not really: this one requires understanding what a “user authentication method” is
unfortunately for the guy the term is ambiguous
 
Has anyone tried this? darkk.net.ru/redsocks
 
@Ramesh Corporate firewall won't let me
> Your request was denied because of its content categorization: "Malicious Sources/Malnets;Malicious Outbound Data/Botnets;Web Hosting;pending"
 
oh ok. This is what a short description of the tool has to say.
This tool allows you to redirect any TCP connection to SOCKS or HTTPS proxy using your firewall, so redirection is system-wide.
So it seems when someone modifies the iptables rule to send all traffic to a particular port in their system, the person's internet activity can not be traced.
 
Oh, I've used tun2socks for that
 
So does it prevent even NSA from tracking the activity? I doubt that.
Recently in some security related question, I saw that even NSA can track even if we use https protocol. Not sure if that is true.
 
7:40 PM
depends on how paranoid you are :-)
it'll tunnel the traffic to wherever the endpoint is
 
Is this a homework question?
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Q: I-node contents

user3665919How can one draw the contents of an i-node given the hard and soft links etc as shown below:

 
@Ramesh Even if it is, the question is incomplete, and definitely warrants a "close - unclear what you're asking"
oh, nevermind, the picture just took a LONG time to load
Smells like homework to me. Especially given that the picture is likely a scan of a text book :-)
 
yeah I was googling it to find out if it can be found somewhere.
 
@Patrick Problem set more likely.
 
7:56 PM
Is there anyone here who uses auctex preview? If so, can you test a file that breaks it?
 
@FaheemMitha i can take a look at it
 
@casey Ok. Shall I paste it here?
 
works for me
 
\def\ba{}
%\def\bio{}

\ifdefined\ba
\documentclass[bib]{ba}
\else\ifdefined\bio
\documentclass{bioinfo}
\fi\fi

\usepackage{hyperref}
\begin{document}

$x=1$

\end{document}
The ba class corresponds to Bayesian Analysis. With the hyperref package it works.
You can find it at bayesian.org/webfm_send/264
I'm having the same problem with the oxford bioinformatics style.
You change the defs at the top to switch between them. This is on Debian with auctex 11.87 and emacs 23.4.1.
@casey are you a LaTeX/AUCTeX user?
 
@FaheemMitha i get some complaints in the latex log (\makeindex undefined) but the buffer does preview the math correctly
 
8:06 PM
@casey Huh. With what versions of emacs and auctex?
For both style files?
 
i only tried ba, i'll check bio in a sec
@FaheemMitha auctex 11.87.2 emacs 24.3.1
 
Can you try with emacs 23?
 
@FaheemMitha I don't have that version handy (24 on all my machines)
 
@casey ok. I guess i could try 24
 
@FaheemMitha same result with bio
 
8:11 PM
@casey Hmm, weird. I wonder why the difference. So the x=1 renders ok?
 
@FaheemMitha ^^^
 
@casey Thanks, that's very helpful.
Nope, doesn't work with emacs 24 either.
 
@FaheemMitha ^^^ preview output from one of my own documents
 
@casey Yes, I see. Using emacs/latex/auctex I assume?
 
yes
 
8:17 PM
@casey Nice formatting. Your screenshot got a bit overcropped at the left.
On the right too, actually.
 
@FaheemMitha I cropped it for the math
 
@casey ok
 
the only other thing you would have seen in that buffer was italic type and the various section header formatting. And if I grabbed the frame, the other half is full of fortran, so not relevant :)
 
@casey You write in fortran? :-)
@casey the menu on top seems to have changed quite a bit between 23 and 24. I hope it didn't break anything
@casey auctex preview seems to be quite fragile. i not infrequently have problem with it. How about you?
@casey this is gentoo?
 
@FaheemMitha I write in whichever tool works best for me. Fortran does my number crunching and I can run it on my allotment of 512 cores on the Yellowstone supercomputer.
 
8:24 PM
@casey ok
 
@FaheemMitha I only started using auctex and its preview recently
@FaheemMitha yes. my other handy emacs install w/ auctex is on my macbook
 
@casey oh. I've been using for a good many years now, but have been having more problems with it recently.
 
@FaheemMitha preview is handy, but when I'm editing my stuff I usually have okular (kde pdf viewer) running on another screen (it live updates when the pdf is updated)
 
@casey I have evince similarly running on another screen, but I still like preview. I'm used to it and miss it when it is not working.
@casey git or hg?
 
@FaheemMitha git (github.com/cwebster2) and a private repo I host locally
 
8:29 PM
@casey ok
Looks like your academic stuff is not public.
 
@Ramesh https prevents the content from leaking, but someone who can tap your line still sees broadly which sites you're connecting to and how much traffic goes to each
 
@FaheemMitha The only public stuff I use right now is that ingest_cm1 library, for loading data from my huge datasets. The analysis stuff I don't have public now because while they are now mostly my own code, there is some stuff still in there from various people with no attribution or licensing information (just code floating endlessly from one person to the next) so I haven't made it public just yet.
but I do aim to have it all up there to the point that if you get my data, you can download my code, audit it and reproduce my results
not that anyone is likely to care to do that
 
@casey Yes, that's not a popular option. Though I was contacted recently by some people in Pittsburgh who went to quite a lot of trouble to run some of my code. And found a couple of bugs in the process.
Now all I need to do is get hold of a Debian/emacs/auctex/latex user. Should be no trouble at all.
 
8:45 PM
@FaheemMitha trouble for you or trouble for him?
 
@Gilles That was meant satirically.
@casey posted on tex.sx now.
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Q: The hyperref package breaks AUCTeX preview with two different journal style files

Faheem MithaThe following LaTeX MWE compiles, but AUCTeX preview does not work. This file tests for two different journal style files. One is Bayesian Analysis, the other is Oxford Bioinformatics (links are to the LaTeX files for each journal). To switch between them, comment/uncomment the relevant lines at ...

 
@FaheemMitha not sure if it matters, but I am using the Auctex directly from the elpa or wherever emacs gets it from
 
@casey elpa? don't follow.
ah, Emacs Lisp Package Archive ?
 
@FaheemMitha wherever M-x package-install gets stuff from
 
@casey oh, ok
That is new with emacs 24? Not heard of it before. Where does it install stuff?
 
8:54 PM
@FaheemMitha I don't think its new, but it might be new to the default installation
 
@casey yes, i see M-x package-install asks me for the name of a package
 
@FaheemMitha ~/.emacs.d/elpa
 
@casey Thanks, that's helpful. Maybe I'll try that.
According to batsov.com/articles/2012/02/19/… new in 24.
 
@FaheemMitha M-x package-list-packages will give you a list of everything it knows about
 
@casey ok
 
8:57 PM
and I have this from somewhere, to add some packages:
> (require 'package)
(add-to-list 'package-archives
'("marmalade" .
"http://marmalade-repo.org/packages/"))
(package-initialize)
but not sure if I actually need it :)
 
@casey ok. I'll try without first. I already have too much emacs lisp code in my .emacs which I don't understand.
though actually your code just adds some extra archives...
 
that is true, but I have no idea what I got from there vs the default archive.
 
@casey ok. do you know where your auctex is from?
 
@FaheemMitha I'm pretty sure that is in the default archive for emacs 24.
 
@casey Ok, I'll remove my debian package and give it a try tomorrow. Thanks.
 
9:14 PM
@Ramesh also, I'm curious, what's up with wanting to run Ubuntu from '08?
 
@derobert, no. The machine was ubuntu 8.10. I am upgrading it to RHEL6 :)
 
Oh... and the external disk is just for backing it up before upgrade?
 
yeah. Since it is a database lab, all the data is in TB size. So, I have to be little extra careful :)
@derobert, as per your suggestion, you are telling it's ext3 that imposes the limitation on partition.
But, I could see the entire 3TB partition in the RHEL6 machine which has ext3 file system only.
 
Yeah, something is weird there. Maybe 2008 Ubuntu doesn't understand disks that large.
But the key thing is make your backup, verify that you can read it on a different RHEL6 machine, then do your upgrade.
 
Should it be something to do with mbr vs gpt partitoning?
 
9:21 PM
It could be, but MBR does 2TB, that's the max.
 
slm
Man my finger hurts from having to scroll down that page of responses to the questionaire 8-)
 
@Ramesh ext3 isn't limited to anything near 2TB
 
@slm Space bar, you can switch fingers each press, so much nicer than the scroll wheel.
@Gilles Remember we're talking about the ext3 implementation on a 2008 Ubuntu.
 
@Gilles, so is the issue related to partition table?
 
slm
ext3, or third extended filesystem, is a journaled file system that is commonly used by the Linux kernel. It is the default file system for many popular Linux distributions. Stephen Tweedie first revealed that he was working on extending ext2 in Journaling the Linux ext2fs Filesystem in a 1998 paper, and later in a February 1999 kernel mailing list posting. The filesystem was merged with the mainline Linux kernel in November 2001 from 2.4.15 onward. Its main advantage over ext2 is journaling, which improves reliability and eliminates the need to check the file system after an unclean sh...
 
9:23 PM
@Ramesh well, cat /proc/partitions would tell you how big the kernel thinks the partition is
 
@derobert, so fdisk uses MBR partition which is why it complains if I try to format an external HDD greater than 2 TB in size?
 
@Ramesh Greater is a problem, because 2TB is the limit.
 
Ah, sorry, no, it is (with the default 1kB block size)
you have to go to ext4 for more
 
slm
you can't have more than a 2TB file, but 32TB partitions according to wiki
 
@Gilles isn't the block size 4k?
 
9:24 PM
@derobert ah, maybe, yes. Which would allow 8TB.
 
slm
> The max number of blocks for ext3 is 232. The size of a block can vary, affecting the max number of files and the max size of the file system:[10]
Block size	Maximum
file size	Maximum
file system size
1 KiB	16 GiB	2 TiB
2 KiB	256 GiB	8 TiB
4 KiB	2 TiB	16 TiB
8 KiB[limits 1]	2 TiB	32 TiB
 
Yes, but remember that's by the spec, and currently. I'm not sure what was the case six years ago.
But I do remember that ATA had various limits, and maybe SATA as well. So the limits could be there, too.
 
@slm, so why the ext3 in a RHEL 6 could recognize 2 TB partiton but ext3 in a Ubuntu recognizes only 750 GB?
 
slm
@Ramesh - I wasn't following the whole thread, just jumped in now
 
@Ramesh something in the 6+-year-old stack is not able to comprehend disks/partitions/filesystems that large.
 
9:27 PM
@Ramesh because ext3 isn't the limiting factor
 
@derobert, ok. Apparently, I was able to mount the 2 partitions at the same time which answers my question :)
 
slm
what versions of the kernel in these 2 scenarios? I'd look in changelogs for something that got fixed. This sounds vaguely familiar to me now.
 
though 750GB is a weird limit
 
If you want to know which part of the stack doesn't understand, you need to start at the lowest levels, e.g., does /proc/partitions show the right size?
 
slm
@derobert agreed
 
9:29 PM
@derobert, so after connecting the external HDD if I use cat /proc/partitions command, it would give the external HDD size as well?
 
@Gilles it is, but if you ask Google about a 750GB limit... it's apparently real.
@Ramesh yes, it should list all the partitions the kernel knows about, along with their size in blocks.
 
@derobert, this is the output am getting.
major minor #blocks name

8 0 1843200000 sda
8 1 104422 sda1
8 2 97667167 sda2
8 3 7815622 sda3
8 4 1 sda4
8 5 1737606433 sda5
8 16 109248512 sdb
8 32 2930266580 sdc
8 33 838914048 sdc1
8 34 838914300 sdc2
8 35 1252427400 sdc3
If you see sdc, it could recognize the entire 3 TB.
 
Yep. That's all 3TB.
 
and from df?
 
That's from the Ubuntu '08 machine?
 
9:31 PM
@derobert, yeah.
@Gilles, df doesn't recognize the external HDD automatically.
I need to mount it manually to see the disk size.
 
proof ext3 isn't the limiting factor:
> /dev/mapper/backupvg-backup 7670030840 5763907708 1519576036 80% /mnt/backup
 
@casey on Ubuntu from 2008?
 
@derobert nope. I missed that limitation. oops
 
@casey Yep. We know it works on modern software, we're trying to figure out what's going on with the ancient Ubuntu install @Ramesh is trying to upgrade from.
 
could it be may be the mkfs in older ubuntu is still not updated?
Is there a way to check that?
 
9:38 PM
Well, you could do the mkfs on a more recent machine, you'll just have to go through the manpage to find all the options to turn off for backwards compatibility.
@Ramesh Or... if you just want to get on with it, you could ignore the problem. Weird limits of ancient Ubuntu releases aren't really relevant anymore. Take your backup, attach it to a RHEL6 machine, verify that its fully readable, restorable, and otherwise intact, and then do your upgrade.
 
@derobert, sure. That is the right way to proceed now :)
 
@casey I get the same result with the elpa auctex for emacs 24. Weird, huh?
 
@Ramesh Yep. That's the professional sysadmin part of me speaking, not the tinkerer side :-P
 
10:00 PM
@casey what is a minimal emacs file in enable auctex/preview? I tried with -q but auctex/preview would not work normally.
 
2
Q: Debian: get package name for installed file

user72778I'm connected via SSH to a PC running Linux kernel 3.11.1: root@alix:~# uname -r 3.11.1 how can I find out which package installed this specific file or kernel version respectively? I tried root@alix:/boot# dpkg -S vmlinuz-3.11.1 dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern *vmlinuz-3.11.1* ...

can someone explain the connection between the question and the accepted answer?
it doesn't seem to solve either the explicit question nor the underlying issue
 
10:20 PM
@Gilles It seems to have led the OP to the answer that it didn't come from a kernel package.
Of course, it has plenty of problems. Which would be a good reason for someone else to answer...
 
Do we have a good question that compares multi-server remote shell tools? (mussh, clusterssh, pssh, etc)
all I find is answers that give just a couple of links
 
@Gilles Shark vs. Monkeys questions have never been good
 
7
Q: Automatically run commands over SSH on many servers

LanceBaynesThere is a list of IP addresses in a .txt file, ex.: 1.1.1.1 2.2.2.2 3.3.3.3 Behind every IP address there is a server, and on every server there is an sshd running on port 22. Not every server is in the known_hosts list (on my PC, Ubuntu 10.04 LTS/bash). How can I run commands on these serve...

That's the best question, but the answers kinda suck
@Braiam this is more of a “what fish can I use to eat many swimmers” question
 
@Caleb might want to fix his answer, he doesn't explain "how"
 
I'll give a bounty for a good answer that explains one or more tool in detail. Your choice of using an existing question or posting a new one.
 
10:33 PM
@Gilles I took your words literally
 
in detail meaning: how to set up server lists, how to cope with errors, etc.
and preferably explains why the described tool(s) are better than alternatives not mentioned in the answer
 
 
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11:49 PM
I can't believe Shog wants to kill the first post queue like that.
 
@Seth Shog is just being pragmatic
the queue is not meeting they expectations, and he rather remove it and replace it with something that does rather than doing nothing
 
"doing nothing" it is doing much more than nothing. What we need to fix is reviewers not doing anything, the queue isn't broken, it works great.
 
> the queue is not meeting they expectations
is broken from their perspective
 
Guys, let's move this to the main chatroom. It's not about the election.
 
Was just thinking that ;)
 
11:59 PM
@Seth @Braiam I have to say that I like the 1st posts queue. It does not work as it should and needs to be improved but having more experienced users have a look at new posts is a good thing.
 
exactly.
 
9 messages moved from Unix 2014 Election
 
I am rather shocked that they view it in such a bad light.
 
That was the main reason I got hooked on the SE model actually. I had some good feedback and upvotes on my first couple of answers on SU, got rep, got excited, got hooked.
@Kevin Cheers!
 

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