Need more spam flags

and please don't use the delete button on spam, flag it as spam. If a post ends up deleted as spam, it trains the spam filter to block similar posts in the future. That doesn't happen with ordinary deletion.

Don't delete spam, don't downvote it, and most importantly don't edit it. Flag it as spam.

@Gilles Done. And I never downvote or edit but did vote to delete. Didn't know that was bad too. Thanks.

and downvote and close vote on this one — I keep asking for the complete script, and the OP keeps posting just a snippet

@Gilles done

@Gilles Thanks I've been deleting it as well, just mark as spam from now on

@Gilles he posted the script, I edited it in the question

oh slmmmmmmmmm

@slm blog postttttt

:P

btw, if anyone else wants to offer up a sacrifice of free time to the blog gods, feel free to volunteer.

@terdon @Braiam @derobert ^

man, it's been way too long since I've been on here.

informal poll: am I the only one here who has an irrational feeling that if I pull KDE libraries onto my GNOME system (or the other way around) that the system has been "dirtied"?

context:

Is there anyone on?

Hello

@derobert Yeah, you said that for the NTP question :P

:-(

@derobert You have issues with select/paste in chrome? Really?

Yes. First off, middle-click to open URL doesn't work in Chrome. Because Google is against it. (Its in their issue tracker, and rejected).

Second, sometimes middle-click to paste into, say, Google Translate just doesn't work. Other times it does. No rhyme or reason I can tell.

Whaaa? I've never had an issue with either. Middle click open works perfectly and I haven't noticed a problem with GT.

@derobert that is odd. I can middle-click to open in a new tab in Chromium 34 and every previous version (perhaps that is the problem?)

Same here on Version 30.0.1599.114

No, not to open new tab (that mostly works), but middle-click to open the URL in the primary selection

Sometimes I have some odd pasting issue where yanking with the mouse pastes the wrong thing, but I think that is KDE screwing with the clipboard more than Chrome causing it

34.0.1847.116 here.

Aaaaaaaa! OK, I always considered that a bug and not a feature so no loss for me.

Chromium 34.0.1847.137 (Developer Build 268882)

@derobert ahh, I've never tried to have it do that, so no idea from me there

I hate that feature too, but I do often wish the Chrome devs would be a little more open to making things togglable via option than considering that their way is the only right way.

Also, shift-insert pastes CLIPBOARD instead of PRIMARY.

Strange, you have a very different use pattern than I. I never use Shift+Ins for example.

I don't use it in web browsers, because they both get it wrong :-(

Great in terminals though, if your hands are already on the keyboard.

I love shift+ins and use it all the time. Most of the time my primary is also my clipboard, so I don't experience the issue much in the browser

Also nice because you never miss where you want to paste

And I'm not sure why, but in Chrome (when I was using it more) I noted that on some sites, middle click would open in current tab. Right click, open in new tab worked... Firefox never has that issue.

@derobert Thats because the site developers are asshats and override the default click behavior with javascript

If it weren't for Firefox's problem that leaving chat.SE running in it ultimately makes it dog slow until you restart it, I'd fix chrome via dpkg --purge

@Patrick Maybe. But it works in Firefox.

@derobert mmm? Gmail uses more resources that my chat.se tab :/

I think it's because chrome considers middle click as triggering the javasscript 'click' action, while firefox doesn't

or something along those lines. I dug into it once a loooong time ago

@Braiam Whenever I leave chat.SE running in Firefox, it eventually gets to a state where it suffers long pauses. E.g., right now, every once in a while it stops accepting keystrokes—or any input— as it does #!*@(# knows what. Probably a GC pause.

Closing the window will not fix it. Only fully restarting the browser.

@derobert Yes, I have that too. Hadn't connected it to chat though.

Chrome has no such problem.

Why is it that both chrome and firefox are crap these days? I'm going to go back to opera.

@derobert No, I have it in chrome.

@terdon Seth would be glad to hear that :P

@terdon hi and btw, Opera ? is this a joke ? it use to be good, but fuck I can't stand it :D

btw, Opera = V8 (Chromium)

@Kiwy hey. Nah, I haven't used it in years but as you said, when it first came out it was great. Dunno how it is now but I keep having issues with both chrome and firefox. Lags, resource hogs etc.

The only reason I use chrome over firefox is because one tab can't hang the entire browser. In FF I'd always have one tab do something stupid and the whole browser slows down.

@Braiam He uses opera?

Firefox's GC pauses have at times made me wonder how to just turn off the #!*(#*( GC. Buying more RAM would be less frustrating...

I haven't run firefox since I finally decided to run my multi-monitor setup as one X screen. I used to run the monitors as separate screens and chrome does not know how to run on two screens on the same machine for the same user.

@Patrick Yes. On the other hand, it means it launches N processes which can also be an issue.

The only other use for Chrome is its pepper flash plugin, which is much newer than Firefox's.

@derobert Firefox is brewing shumway as replacement of flash ;)

@terdon well I have no issue at all with last version of ff

I had a lot with the one before but now it's ok even with lots of tab

@casey seriously ?

... yep. GC pauses. Yeah, Firefox!

@derobert where you get that data? telemetry?

set javascript.options.mem.log to true in about:config, then it shows up in the console

@Kiwy I tried it but the tabs are broken (aesthetically) and I haven't gotten around to finding a fix yet.

(aesthetically) ?

wait, Firefox is lot better managing tabs than chrome

Hang on, I'll post a screenshot

@terdon why's that ? it looks a bit more like chrome but what is fucked up is the new menu not the tab

@derobert nope, nothing at all

The rounded tabs are broken

@terdon doesn't look like this to me

the browser console...

where all the javascript messages show

@Kiwy I guessed as much :)

@terdon blames plugin

@Braiam Ah, that's a good point. Let me see.

@derobert yours is crappy

do those number really mean anything to you ?

@Kiwy for derobert they do... and I know that with ms is better the near the numbers are to 0

@Braiam it depends, for example compare the uptime of a linux server to a windows the greater they are the better it gets, and windows often loose at that game :D

@Kiwy O_O

easy troll I admit

@Braiam damn, looks like you're right. Damn because I have no idea which extension is causing it. I just ran firefox as a different user and did not have this problem.

Hah, back, our primary Internet connection just went down ....

well @derobert I don't know why my numbers are better than yours :P

@Braiam Yours are actually pretty bad. Your browser ignored you for half a second while it collected garbage.

Mine are terrible, it paused for 2.3s.

@derobert "Your browser ignored you for half a second" (citation needed)

IMO, 0.5 secs is the fastest response time for an human, no human is below this

@Braiam I believe Chuck Norris and Teddy Roosevelt are

@Kiwy Chuck Norris is not human, he's a Chuck Norris

0.5s is a noticeable pause. Sure, you can't observe a new button, decide to click it, and click it in that time frame... but you can probably type at more than two characters per second. And notice that hey, your typing is lagged.

Or if it were doing animation, you'd definitely notice when it dropped to 2fps

@Braiam well that's true also

@derobert well lag not happen in my firefox config, I don't know if they get ride of the bug with the js console that makes firefox lag seriously

yeah, that's perfect

Where does firefox store its history?

When you freshly start firefox, that pause will be very short. Unfortunately, the longer firefox runs, the longer the pause gets...

@terdon database in your profile, places.sqlite if I remember correctly.

Thanks

Any idea where the saved credentials are stored?

formhistory.sqlite ?

cert8.db probably

passwords and usernames?

@Braiam Yeah

@terdon no idea

i don't store them

^ this

signons.sqlite probably

I store unimportant ones

@terdon LastPass :-/ ?

@derobert do you trust any webstorage ?

I personnaly don't

The lastpass solution is actually pretty nice. All the encryption is done client side

^ @Kiwy

@Kiwy Supposedly, encryption is done locally, and only encrypted data is sent to the cloud

they actually go to lengths so the password doesn't get stored in the memory

Yeah, should look into that. I keep all of mine on an encrypted text file. Manual but at least nobody else is involved.

@patrick as long as I can't verify it myself I do not trust anything @derobert that's what they said, NSA also said they were unaware fo heartblead

i use keepass it's free and localy store

@Kiwy You can always read the javascript :-)

@Patrick No, but I don't trust that much website

LastPass works and automatically syncs between the several desktops I use, several browsers on each, including restricted subsets on some of them, and also the several browsers on the table and the several phones I have

That's really its strength. I can actually use long, random, unique passwords everywhere.

Even in random apps on my phone.

Hmm, that does sound cool. I tend to use phrases in greek surrounded by numbers. Makes it secure enough but kind of annoying to type.

(oh yeah, that's one more nice thing about firefox: lastpass supports HTTP Basic auth, doesn't in Chrome.)

WTF? Why does firefox no longer have a menu?

right click and you can turn it back on

Ah. Idiots.

Thanks

I really use only one browser to go on important website and that's the one in my personnal computer

if it's not mine, then I do not connect

they now have a smart phone ̶̿ thingy now. Because copying smartphone UI is the wave of the annoying future.

≡ ... ah, there is the character.

I really do not like that tabletisation of UI specially when it comes to my computer

what the heck? phone ̶̿ ?

@Braiam Tried to make ≡ with some combining characters, but it didn't quite work.

just write like normal people @derobert

I remember once using µ in a professionnal password

I couldn't connect to half of the aplpication :D

@Braiam how do normal people write ≡ ? :-P

@derobert easy... they just don't...

They probably also run in terror when they need ≈ or ≅ or ≤ or even ≠.

i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8192964352/h7F1B03C3

Won't anyone think of the tablet, the poor tablet! Or was that an iDevice, in which case whatever.

meh...

☺

@derobert do you know how to type the unicode snowman

☃

@Kiwy please, don't!

@Braiam why's that, a little distraction is never a bad thing :)

☀ ← melted your snowman

@derobert I'm beatten

btw does anyone there as ever manage to emulate a xbox360 controler with any gamepad ?

but to answer you question, no, I don't have a way to type any of ☃, ⛄, or ⛇. I have to copy them from unicode or gucharmap

the question is then who wrote it first

@derobert SQUIRRELS! SQUARES!

not even google finds them...

M̷y̷ t̷e̷x̷t̷ i̷s̷ c̷r̷o̷s̷s̷e̷d̷ o̷u̷t̷.̷

I can do better than your line-through.

A̲̅b̲̅o̲̅v̲̅e̲̅ ̲̅a̲̅n̲̅d̲̅ ̲̅b̲̅e̲̅l̲̅o̲̅w̲̅.̲̅

@derobert I'm curious, do you learn, or did you just look for a unicode text converter on google ?

:D

@Kiwy yep. If you have X setup so that one monitor is on display :0.0 and one on :0.1, you can start chrome connected to either screen, but from then on, no matter what $DISPLAY you set when you invoke chrome, it will find the master chrome process and launch a new chrome window on whatever screen the master process is on.

@casey that's a nice "feature"

@Kiwy yep, and one of the reasons I now run a single :0.0 at 5760x1080

@Kiwy I did that with some copy & paste work in gucharmap. Not too hard there to put the combining characters in place.

Anyway, going to lunch.

maintenance in the middle of the day. o.O

I just rebooted our NAS'

it's middle-ish of the day

@slm do you have customers who will notice the outage?

not really, just internals

I checked, no one was connected

@Patrick our sftp server writes to a mount so I check to see if there are any live connections prior and do a quick boot

@slm Quick reboot of a NAS, there is such a thing? :-)

@Patrick - 100 seconds

@slm what NAS hardware is that?

Is anyone here aware of mechanical turk? How does that work actually?

Thecus N12000

12 drive bay, has 3TB HDDs in it now, we have 2

never heard of em

yeah I found them when we were looking, they're actually really nice

hardware is solid

ahh, small nas. I was thinking like a few hundred drive EMC or something

nono

the netapps we used to use at my old company were never fast rebooters either

this guy is only ~24TB

@Ramesh Never used it. Its part of AWS. You somehow upload the work units to do to Amazon, and Amazon doles them out to people to do

AWS docs will explain in detail

bradthegeek.hubpages.com/hub/…

@Ramesh never used it. That's a review of it.

@derobert, @slm, thanks. I was planning to evaluate my work using this feature :)