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ascom

13:36

Hello?

Braiam

15:00

as seen in AU: networkworld.com/community/blog/…

> A Seattle-based band called netcat - not to be confused with the networking tool of the same name - has perked ears in the software community by releasing its debut album as a Linux kernel module (among other more typical formats.)

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

15:49

Anyone who voted to close this want to reconsider:

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Q: What does ~ mean at the end of a file name (e.g. httpd.conf~)?

I edited a fresh apache config file in CentOS 5 using gedit. When I looked at the directory I saw now two files: httpd.conf and httpd.conf~ What does the ~ signify?

As per:

2

Q: Which duplicate should be closed?

I'm raising this issue because it seems to me that when we find a new question that has an obvious duplicate, it should not necessarily be the new question that is closed. We already have a good precedent in that occasionally someone will do a self-answered Q&A (actually the only one I know of i...

discussion close-reasons duplicate

slm

16:14

@TAFKA'goldilocks' I think mikel's answer is better on the one he's referencing though

Braiam

@TAFKA'goldilocks' mm... I would downvote his question because there's another with the exact same title which answers his question

Ramesh

Hi all, I was just curious to know if we can make a file system read only issuing the below command at the startup.

mount -t ext3 -o ro /dev/sda2

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

@slm Actually I think the dup indicated by @Braiam is better than both of them. As a futile gesture, I'll vote to reopen that one and change my comment to Mikel.

slm

ha funny, same friggin title. Apparently ppl don't understand the concept of the search box in the corner....

does anyone know how to do this Q?

3

Q: How to actually test locale

So I know what locale does. Sets the output format of certain programs depending on what country/language you're in, for example 1000000 can be formatted like 1,000,000.00 1 000 000.00 1.000.000,00 and a variety of others on output. But is there a program to literally test this so that I could ...

locale output format testing

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

@Ramesh How about "How to make a filesystem readonly at boot?" We don't seem to have that. What you have should work (try it), although it if is already mounted you'd want -o remount,ro, I think.

slm

16:29

I know there's iconv but it seems like a reasonable Q and I'm a dumb american that doesn't know much of locales

Ramesh

@TAFKA'goldilocks', let me try it in the test bed.

@TAFKA'goldilocks', I tried to umount and issue the above command. But it's giving me error.

Braiam

anyone knows a way to transforms a number in bytes to kB or GiB?

Ramesh

@slm, ha if you consider yourself dumb american, what happens to the rest of average Americans?

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

@Braiam That seems a little unfair considering the other question was CLOSED (it should be re-opened so I've nominated it). Why would a newish user pay attention to a Q&A marked CLOSED in a search list?

@Ramesh You don't want remount if you umount first.

Braiam

@TAFKA'goldilocks' try ask a question with his title verbatim, and check what the system tells you

Ramesh

16:41

oops, I did not issue remount. I just gave mount -t ext3 -o ro /dev/sda1

@Braiam, how about this? echo '1452360394' | awk '{ foo = $1 / 1024 / 1024 ; print foo "MB" }'

Braiam

@Ramesh no kB, then?

slm

@Ramesh I know very little about locales and timezones 8-)

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

@Braiam Point taken. It actually says '[duplicate]', which is not so discouraging.

Ramesh

@Braim, may be like this?
echo '2048' | awk '{ foo = $1 / 1024 ; print foo "KB" }'

@Braiam, much more elegant solution using units command.

2

Q: Convert 1000 to 1024 bytes

I am trying to convert a size, let's say 244410368 bytes to xxxxxx megabytes (MB) but I have no idea how to do this. I find the idea of 1000 and 1024 bytes/bits rather confusing.

linux shell

Kiwy

16:58

Hello everybody, hope you're doing well :)

I'm doing fucking good

do you think this is a legitimate answer ?

0

A: temporarily disabling one's own filesystem write permission

What I propose you is to execute a script that will overide all command you're usually using for editing files so it uses less instead for example: #!/bin/bash export EDITOR=less alias vi=less alias vim=less alias nano=less alias pico=less alias rm=less This is just an example but by executin...

Ramesh

@Kiwy, I can still modify the file if I give some command like "echo "something" >> *.conf". So, I do think what the OP asks is not possible unless he gets root access.

Kiwy

@Ramesh yes I know, that's why I suggest this, but I don't know if it's possible to overide redirection

Ramesh

I can use sed to replace the characters or I can use cat and then do some modifications. So, just disabling the editors will not be enough, I believe. However, if the OP is a novice, may be your suggestion might be fair enough I guess.

Kiwy

though he can avoid using cat and echo so redirection become less easy

but read only with user right is definitely not easy

Ramesh

without root access, I don't think it's possible.

Braiam

17:04

why is this still in the site? unix.stackexchange.com/q/92670/41104

Kiwy

@Braiam why not ? nothing indeed is useful with this

and it shoudl have disapear with time...

2

Q: How to identify executable path with its PID on AIX 5 or more

On AIX 5 or 6, `ps -ef` shows the executable full path randomly. Why and how to determine it? I find many thread through internet and also Unix & Linux and this stack overflow post about finding the path of a process and so far I don't succed in applying any method. I keep falling into having p...

path aix ps

why in this case, my accepted anxswer appears at the second rank ?

casey

18:27

kde 4.13.0 -- i can finally keep youtube fullscreen on one monitor and interact with my other monitor at the same time.

its about time...

slm

18:44

@casey - I'm popping corks of champane 8-)

casey

:)

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam i don't know if what i wrote answers your question. I'm testing it now.

Ramesh

@slm, I think this question needs to be closed.

-1

Q: implement deployement server using linux opreating system

I am new to the Linux, I want implement deployment server to deploy windows7 operating system with Linux, is there any particular way or any notes?

deployment

Faheem Mitha

19:02

@Braiam well, the approach mentioned does not seem to work for me. See my edit.

@Ramesh Maybe give the poster some time to clarify the question? I agree, it is terribly written.

Ramesh

@FaheemMitha, sure. No problem.

Faheem Mitha

well, it is up to 3 close votes, so it may get closed anyway.

Ramesh

@FaheemMitha, take a look at this question.

-1

Q: How to know list of applications installed in my server?

I got one LINUX server in which Oracle LINUX 5 is installed. I have installed MySQL 5.1.73-community version. Now, I have to configure the variables. When I checked available memory through cat /proc/meminfo command, I got below output: MemTotal: 1927692 kB MemFree: 446620 kB Buffers...

configuration mysql

What the OP exactly is trying to do? I am not quite following it.

Braiam

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Faheem Mitha

@Ramesh I think he just wants to know what applications are using RAM on his machine. It is not well written.

Ramesh

19:13

@Faheem, Ok. So in that case, he needs to use top command to see which application is eating up his memory right?

Faheem Mitha

@Ramesh or any of the other similar commands, some suggested in the answers, yes.

Can anyone clarify here?

0

A: How to remove a group of package?

I found a post by David Kalnischkies in the blog post UNDO APT-GET BUILD-DEP (REMOVE BUILD DEPENDENCIES) For those who don't know, David is the main apt maintainer, and has been so since 2009 or thereabouts, so it is a safe bet he knows what he is talking about. DonKult • 3 years ago B...

I should be able to figure this out, but I'm clearly a moron, so... if you can tell me what is going on I'd appreciate it.

slm

@Ramesh already voted to close

Ramesh

@slm, thanks :)

Braiam

@FaheemMitha check the last 4 messages of that bug ;) it recommends aptitude

and you are a moron :P

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam That doesn't answer my question, as far as I can see.

@Braiam Thanks.

Braiam

19:27

@FaheemMitha supposedly aptitude should honor the configuration, but it doesn't, apt-get does, but it doesn't remove by default packages with reverse dependencies

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam "doesn't remove by default packages with reverse dependencies" can you elaborate?

what reverse dependencies?

Braiam

package-a recommends package-b which is not installed

Faheem Mitha

And the bug report said aptitude wasn't supposed to honor the config variable.

@Braiam I don't see how this is relevant here.

Braiam

you run apt-get -o APT::Get::Build-Dep-Automatic=true build-dep example which installs package-b

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam right

Braiam

19:29

you run apt-get autoremove and package-b is kept installed

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam right

Braiam

it does because package-a depends of package-b

even if the action that installed package-b was build-dep, apt-get just check the reverse dependencies

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam why? what package b? those are just build dependencies?

Braiam

ok, lets put it this way

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam not if pkg a was autoinstalled, which it presumably must be.

because a could not have been installed previous to that action

Braiam

19:31

apt-get -o APT::Get::Build-Dep-Automatic=true build-dep example
package-b is instaled
apt-get autoremove
package-b is removed
apt-get -o APT::Get::Build-Dep-Automatic=true build-dep example
package-b is instaled
apt-get install package-a
package-a is installed
apt-get autoremove
package-b is kept

Faheem Mitha

my understanding that autoclean removes packages unless they are depending upon by manually installed packages. is this incorrect?

I didn't do any apt-get install package-a

I ran the build-dep and immediately the autoremove

but nothing happened, which is puzzling.

Braiam

apt-cache showsrc gcc | grep Build
Build-Depends: m4, debhelper (>= 5), dpkg-dev (>= 1.16.0~ubuntu4), gcc-4.8-base (>= 4.8.1-6~), lsb-release
Build-Depends-Indep: ca-certificates, gcj-jdk, python (>= 2.6.6)

@FaheemMitha you sure ^?

what the heck is doing a ~ubuntu4 package...

Faheem Mitha

root@orwell:/home/faheem# apt-get build-dep -o APT::Get::Build-Dep-Automatic=true g++
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Picking 'gcc-defaults' as source package instead of 'g++'
The following NEW packages will be installed:
ecj ecj-gcj fastjar gcj-4.6-jre-headless gcj-4.7-base gcj-4.7-jdk gcj-4.7-jre gcj-4.7-jre-headless gcj-4.7-jre-lib gcj-jdk gcj-jre gcj-jre-headless libecj-java
libecj-java-gcj libgcj-bc libgcj13 libgcj13-awt libgcj13-dev

That's what I installed. Then I ran autoremove. So, why is autoremove not removing these? There can't have been anything depending on them previous to this action, by definition.

Braiam

@FaheemMitha aptitude why ecj?

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam sometimes the maintainers also work for ubuntu

root@orwell:/home/faheem# aptitude why ecj
i ant Suggests default-jdk | java-compiler | java-sdk
i A gcj-4.7-jdk Provides java-sdk
i A gcj-4.7-jdk Depends ecj-gcj
i A ecj-gcj Depends ecj (>= 3.5.1-3)

Braiam

19:36

@FaheemMitha there you are ;)

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam There I am what?

Braiam

@FaheemMitha ant doesn't allow you to remove the package

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam why?

Braiam

> ant Suggests default-jdk | java-compiler | java-sdk

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam So?

It is just a suggests, right?

Braiam

19:38

ant depends on those packages

doesn't matter

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam huh?

Braiam

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A: Why does apt think it needs this extra dependency?

Seems that there is some kind of "weight" system playing here: $ aptitude why ant openjdk-7-jdk p ant Recommends ant-optional p ant-optional Suggests libgnumail-java p libgnumail-java Suggests libgnumail-java-doc p libgnumail-java-doc Recommends ...

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam ok, it looks like virtual packages may be playing a role here.

gcj-jre-headless provides

Provides: java-gcj-compat-headless, java-runtime-headless, java-virtual-machine, java1-runtime-headless, java2-runtime-headless, java5-runtime-headless

and ant Depends: default-jre-headless | java5-runtime-headless | java6-runtime-headless | java7-runtime-headless, libxerces2-java

so there is an overlap here, but if this is the problem, then it is pretty dumb.

so if I have automatically installed package that happens to provide a virtual package which a manually installed package depends on, then it can't be removed? what a load of crap.

Ok, I tried it with another example, and it worked, so maybe it was just a badly chosen example.

Faheem Mitha

20:18

Funny stuff:

root@orwell:/home/faheem# apt-get install awesome --solver dump
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Execute external solver... Error!
The solver encountered an error of type: ERR_JUST_DUMPING
The following information might help you to understand what is wrong:
I am too dumb, i can just dump!
Please use one of my friends instead!

Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable

derobert

20:50

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A: Let's burninate [delete]

I've removed a bunch of them, where the other tags (or some tags I can readily think of to replace delete convey enough. Questions can indeed be about (as Gilles mentions) deleting something. But that's not about "deleting" because they're all different. "Deleting" means very different things ac...

FYI @Gilles @strugee @Braiam

Faheem Mitha

@derobert hey, what is your take on my answer above? the autoremove thing.

derobert

@FaheemMitha First time I've heard of APT::Get::Build-Dep-Automatic ... still reading.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Me too. David talks about reading the docs. I can't find it in any docs. The obvious place is man apt.conf, but it's not there.

Braiam

@FaheemMitha wa... what the....

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam That's apt using a dummy external solver. Funny, itsn't it?

David's work, I imagine.

I am too dumb, i can just dump!

Sounds like a German speaker.

@derobert my question was about the failure of autoremove, to, er, autoremove. See updates at the end.

You know aptitude, perhaps it can be coaxed to shed some light on the matter. Is my guess about virtual packages right?

derobert

21:01

As far as I know, autoremove is a magical rote that works only when you sprinkle the right amount of penguin and gnu dust on it.

And maybe also summon the genie from the lamp

debian.org/vote/1999/vote_0004 tells me its a vase, not a lamp, so I guess I don't know how to make it work...

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Not really. AFAIK, it just checks if the automatically installed packages depend on a manually installed package.

@derobert That's not especially helpful.

You're supposed to be the guy with the answers. Come on!

derobert

@FaheemMitha or rather the other the other way around. But I've seen it fail to remove things for reasons I can't figure out...

And then I'll explicitly remove them, and not even a complaint about leaving a recommendation uninstalled

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Right, the other way around.

derobert

I ask for reverse dependencies, and they're aren't even suggests

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Hmm, there might be bugs. But I can see how virtual packages would confuse the issue.

derobert

21:05

And I was never un-lazy enough to look into it. Disk space hasn't been that precious to me in a while.

@FaheemMitha I'm sure there are bugs. You may have found one of them.

Plus, I just use mk-build-deps

Faheem Mitha

The thing is, apt has no way of knowing which real package that satisfies a real dependency is actually being used. So my guess it, it just plays save and installs them all.

@derobert What's that?

derobert

@FaheemMitha Yeah, for autoremove it probably does that—a Depends or Recommends (and maybe even a Suggests now) on a virtual package, or a list of or'd packages, keeps all of them installed

Faheem Mitha

@derobert I hope not for a recommend. That seems overkill. and a suggests seems extreme overkill.

derobert

@FaheemMitha mk-build-deps makes a .deb that just depeneds on the build-deps of another package. So you can make a package that depends on the things you need to build coreutils, for example.

Faheem Mitha

but apt defaults to installing recommends now, doesn't it?

@derobert Ah, I see. so then that means you can keep track of the build-deps that way? That seems like a good idea.

derobert

21:09

@FaheemMitha I've noticed that on my jessie systems, if I look at the list of suggested packages in aptitude and install one, then mark it auto, it stays installed. Suggests used to not do that—only Depends and Recommends. Now they do.

Faheem Mitha

If there is not too much overhead, that is.

derobert

@FaheemMitha Yep. And you can keep track of a few sets at once.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Hmm. Maybe aptitude-only behavior.

apt and aptitude don't always do the same thing.

derobert

@FaheemMitha Could be. Will have to try apt-get autoremove on one.

tried on one machine I think I've done that on, and it didn't remove anything.

Faheem Mitha

If apt defaults to installing recommends, then autoremove would have to follow suit, otherwise much confusion would result. And I think apt does default to installing recommends.

derobert

21:11

yes, recommends are installed by default now, since at least wheezy.

To be clear, I like the suggests behavior.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Vase, lamp. Same diff. Vases can contain genies too. They might get a little wet.

@derobert the suggests behavior in aptitude?

@derobert you could add mk-build-deps as an answer to @Braiam's question.

Sounds like a reasonable solution too.

derobert

@FaheemMitha how it keeps suggested packages marked auto installed

Faheem Mitha

Anyway, I've added that option to my config as David suggested. I think it is a reasonable default.

@derobert Right, gotcha.

I actually find all the packages installed solely for the purpose of building stuff quite annoying.

derobert

I like his user tag thing too

Braiam

@FaheemMitha remember, that my question is not limited to build-dep

Faheem Mitha

21:14

And would be quite glad to remove them afterwards.

@Braiam Maybe, but I think it would help if you could be a little more explicit about your other use cases. Maybe an example?

Or is it just that you want to be able to install a bunch of a a packages with apt-get install (or aptitude install) too and mark them automatically installed at time of instalation?

derobert

Well, for example, maybe he wants to install a bunch of sound tools while working on his new album, but then needs to free the disk space up once he's done (starving artists and all).

Braiam

@FaheemMitha ^ that

Faheem Mitha

@derobert @Braiam, are you starving?

Braiam

tools for working on X, that needs to be removed after I'm done with X

but markauto doesn't always work as you have noticed

derobert

Or I just pulled in a ton of packages on my laptop to work on a Catalyst web app, which once I'm done with it, will just be using disk space. So I'll remove them, but manually and probably miss a few...

Faheem Mitha

21:17

Well, I don't think apt has a option to pass at time of install, which would solve the problem for that use case. Would be a reasonable wish list bug. Might already be there.

derobert

Wish I'd thought of that tag idea...

(Actually, I'll probably go through the apt log to find them.)

Braiam

@derobert maso...

Faheem Mitha

Hmm, according to bugs.debian.org/528011 there is a

-o "APT::Get::AutomaticRemove=true"

Anyone heard of that one?

Ok, never mind, that just means remove stuff that is automatic

Braiam

@FaheemMitha that's keeping push the autoremove button all the time, like aptitude does

derobert

/usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz is the only thing that has heard of all of apt's many options, AFAIK.

Faheem Mitha

21:21

@Braiam Right, that's not interesting. I misunderstood it at first.

derobert

It just doesn't know what they do.

Faheem Mitha

Surprisingly, there does not appear to be a wishlist bug which says - pass this to apt so that all packages installed here will be marked automatic. Maybe it is difficult to implement. Would only make sense on install, probably.

could have a APT::Get::Install-Automatic

what the hell. I'll file a wishlist bug. David will probably ignore it, but whatever.

@derobert bugs.debian.org/593562

Braiam

@FaheemMitha they are marked as automatic, just that previous dependencies unrelated to the installation don't allow them to get removed.

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam Not sure what you are talking about.

derobert

Apt::AutoRemove::RecommendsImportant ... that's not even in the configure-index

aptitude.alioth.debian.org/doc/en/ch02s05s05.html

also says that suggestsimportant defaults to true

Faheem Mitha

21:28

@derobert What does this do?

derobert

Appears its an aptitude option that tells it which dependencies to consider when checking if its OK to remove an auto-installed package

Braiam

heh, PTS has integration with LP and Ubuntu repositories

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Ok. Does not apply to apt-get and friends then?

derobert

No idea if apt-get honor them too or not.

apt-get lacks documentation AFAIK

Faheem Mitha

@derobert It's kind of a mess.

@derobert well, when a piece of software had 10^6 users and 1 developer, that tends to happen...

derobert

21:32

Yeah. Patches would be welcome, I suspect. Co-developers even more so.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert That is always the case.

derobert

A quick grep of the source says apt follows them too

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Apt::AutoRemove::RecommendsImportant ?

derobert

APT::AutoRemove::RecommendsImportant and APT::AutoRemove::SuggestsImportant

see apt-pkg/depcache.cc:1755 and apt-pkg/depcache.cc:1785

In 1.0.1, at least.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert ok

@derobert So, this affects the behavior of autoremove as to whether to remove recommends/suggests of manually installed packages?

Interesting. Might be worth mentioning in my answer.

derobert

21:37

@FaheemMitha yes, presumably recursively

Faheem Mitha

I'd adding a link to this chat in the bug report. I hope David does not find any of this too offensive. Unless one of you guys doesn't think it a good idea.

derobert

e.g., A is manually installed. A depends B. B recommends C. So C stays installed.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Right

derobert

@FaheemMitha I don't know if any of this is useful... I'd summarize it for him, to save him some time.

Braiam

@derobert it happens even with suggestions

derobert

21:38

@Braiam Yep. We already covered that :-D

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Well, I'm writing a wishlist bug. But I'm adding this other stuff for context, if he wants to look at it.

derobert

Its apparent that when there is a core package that everyone depends on, no one works on it.

Only exception seems to be the kernel itself.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Right, as Daniel Burrows once remarked.

Well, it is not always the case, but it does seem to happen quite often

libc6 gets plenty of attention, as does e.g. gcc

derobert

Yeah. Some of it is because, well, they actually work pretty darn well.

Faheem Mitha

I thought that it would be useful to have a flag like
APT::Get::Build-Dep-Automatic that one can pass to apt-get so that all
packages installed with `apt-get install` are marked automatic. I
looked for such a flag, but didn't find it.

Is that a reasonable summary?

"looked for a wishlist bug for such a flag, but didn't find it."

derobert

21:42

"like APT::Get::Build-Dep-Automatic" confused me the first time I read that

Faheem Mitha

@derobert what do you suggest?

derobert

I'd move that later...

Faheem Mitha

@derobert ok

I thought that it would be useful to have a flag that one can pass to
`apt-get install` so that all packages installed with `apt-get
install` are marked automatic. I looked for a wishlist bug for such a
flag, but didn't find it. This is by analogy to the existing
APT::Get::Build-Dep-Automatic flag.

Better?

derobert

"... useful to have a flag that causes all packages installed with apt-get install to be marked automatically installed. It'd be similar to how APT::Get::Build-Dep-Automatic works with apt-get build-dep"

yeah, yours is fine too

Braiam

@FaheemMitha I think that instead of that, they should implement the user-tag stuff

Faheem Mitha

21:47

I thought that it would be useful to have a flag that one can pass to
`apt-get install` so that all packages installed with `apt-get
install` are marked automatic. I looked for a wishlist bug for such a
flag, but didn't find it. It would be similar to how
APT::Get::Build-Dep-Automatic works with apt-get build-dep.

@Braiam Who is they?

@derobert ^^ ?

Braiam

@FaheemMitha apt devs

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam You mean like aptitude has?

Braiam

yeah

it's more flexible IMO

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam you could file a bug.

derobert

@FaheemMitha We were both typing ours at the same time.

Faheem Mitha

21:49

@Braiam Maybe so.

@derobert I added your sentence. Is that Ok now?

derobert

Yeah

Faheem Mitha

One more try.

I thought that it would be useful to have a flag that one can pass to
`apt-get install` that causes all packages installed with `apt-get
install` to be marked automatically installed. I looked for a wishlist
bug for such a flag, but didn't find it. It would be similar to how
APT::Get::Build-Dep-Automatic works with `apt-get build-dep`.

That's closer to your wording, and a slight improvement i guess.

derobert

That's fine too. At some point you've got to call it good enough.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert ok. Sending now

@Braiam More flexible, but possibly more effort to use.

David really takes a lot of trouble over apt. I wonder how long he is going to be around for. Maybe we should send him cookies.

derobert

... or liquor.

Faheem Mitha

21:58

Wow, adding APT::AutoRemove::RecommendsImportant=false makes it try to remove a ton of stuff.

@derobert If he gets drunk he won't be able to work on apt.

derobert

Actually, aren't there a few more people working on apt?

Faheem Mitha

Cookies will just make him fat.

@derobert Yes, but David is doing the heavy lifting.

Before him, things were proceeding at a snails pace.

derobert

dpkg, also, I think only has one person working on it

Faheem Mitha

@derobert yes. it was two, but Raphael got fed up.

There is tremendous overhead to getting to know a package like apt well enough not to break stuff, and volunteers for that kind of work are hard to find.

derobert

Apparently.

@FaheemMitha I'm pretty sure previous apt maintainers have reported that being drunk helps working on apt.

Faheem Mitha

22:04

@derobert citation needed.

bugs.debian.org/745769

Now David gets to read all our ramblings. Yay!

derobert

Makes me wonder though, do the few people who work on OpenSSL get cases of liquor gifted to them from NSA?

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Perhaps. That would explain a lot.

derobert

@FaheemMitha Well, at least they were positive about him.

@FaheemMitha Hmmm. I was pretty sure with Debian's legendary flame wars, I would have been able to find one. But it seems the list selection box is gone on the search page, so it's now much harder :-(

Braiam

seriously I wonder if something is wrong with this answer askubuntu.com/a/421424/169736

derobert

@Braiam It doesn't answer the question?

> and in the it is written to unpack the file in the appropriate location. I don't really know what appropriate location for my applications means. Can you please tell me where to unpack this file, or if this is the correct way of installing android studio?

Braiam

22:18

@derobert because of that I citated the wiki, where the "appropriated location" is the one you feel the best about

> You can use whatever path you like, just try to do not interfere with other software.

derobert

Except you've sent the OP in circles. OP probably doesn't know how to make sure not to interfere with other software

Faheem Mitha

@derobert What are you looking for?

derobert

@FaheemMitha Citation that being drunk helps working on apt :-P

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Yes, I got that, but you were trying to search what?

derobert

Except I'm not looking anymore. Because of course it was a joke, and I wasn't going to spend more than a minute seeing I could quickly find one.

Search at lists.debian.org

Used to be you could select which lists to search, that option is gone.

Faheem Mitha

22:22

@derobert ah. i see.

Faheem Mitha

22:34

I'm really tempted to give this a try -> github.com/usrbinnc/netcat-cpi-kernel-module

A band decided to do an album release as a ... Linux kernel module. per @Braiam's comment in the backlog.

Gilles

Where can I find RHEL/CentOS 6 man pages online?

if you know, please add that to the tag wiki

and ditto for any other distro whose tag wiki doesn't mention it

unix.stackexchange.com/tags/debian/info shows a bunch of stuff that it's nice to have in tag wikis for distros

Braiam

I like debian tag wiki

@slm ^

Braiam

23:01

I know we have a dupe of this unix.stackexchange.com/q/93175/41104

no, we don't

Gilles

is it just me or are we getting a lot more programming questions lately that nobody is voting to close?

Faheem Mitha

23:50

Is this query broken?

data.stackexchange.com/unix/query/946/…

I get

The data types date and datetime are incompatible in the subtract operator.

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