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Braiam

00:17

just what to do with that? unix.stackexchange.com/review/reopen/42776

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

02:04

@Braiam Wait until it the next time it returns from the Oort Cloud.

slm

02:14

@TAFKA'goldilocks' - what are we doing here with this dup?

unix.stackexchange.com/review/close/42783

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Q: Why is `find -name *.jks` not returning some files?

find . -name *.jks -print 2>/dev/null returns files of extension jks that do not have underscores as part of their name. Much to my surprise, I have just discovered that * does NOT substitute the underscore. find . -name *_*.jks -print 2>/dev/null returns files of extension jks that have on...

Braiam

@slm err... wut? recursive recursive question duplicated?

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

@slm Well, here's my thinking: Gilles will occasionally re-write a Q&A himself that is obviously a dupe of an existing question -- but his new version is obviously better, so then he elects to close the (older) dupe, and we do that. This is great and we should do it more, but by the same logic, it means that a new question by someone who is not Gilles with an older dupe should also be evaluated in relation to the older one... <@Gilles

In this case, I'm saying the new one is obviously better and if we should close one, it should be the older one.

Braiam

oh god... askubuntu.com/q/444177/169736

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

@Braiam No doubt pissing into the wind, but it just seems counter intuitive to me to close a decent, well written Q&A in place of a rambling piece of crap because the piece of crap has been around longer.

Braiam

wow guys there's >500 rep in bounties! O_O

strugee

02:26

is it just me, or is 11 bounties a highly abnormal amount?

Braiam

yeah

strugee

@Braiam race conditions may apply :P

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

A lot of those are super localized, is I guess why they end up without satisfactory answers.

strugee

yeah mine's not too bad but I can't claim that it's the most general either

maybe it could turn into something about debugging KMS or hybrid graphics, but...

Braiam

lol, AU has only 8 active bounties! D:

11 bounties and 1050 rep

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

03:34

@Braiam Is there some clever app that's going to keep that updated?

Braiam

@TAFKA'goldilocks' yup

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

@Braiam You should mention that in a comment. Otherwise you risk "stupid people" downvotes.

Braiam

There's server-side magic that detects the referrer and serve the proper image and it's updated in "semi-real-time". See the original for more information — Braiam 13 secs ago

there

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

@Braiam Always forget that S.E. uses RonR. If it's server side, what did you have to do to set it up?

Braiam

The Ruby programming language, the Stack Exchange API via Serel, and Heroku. — Jason Salaz May 4 '12 at 7:59

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

03:41

@Braiam Okay, but what did you actually do to put that there, is what I'm asking...

Braiam

@TAFKA'goldilocks' err... nothing?

just the good ol' copy 'n' paste

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

@Braiam Of what to what?

Braiam

the apple guys advertisement ;)

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

@Braiam Ah, okay, the image link is a bit of a special address I guess.

Clever.

Braiam

you bet!

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

03:53

@Braiam I see the police have already been alerted ;\

Braiam

I would love that they read comments before posting theirs :(

Kiwy

07:16

Hello everybody

Kiwy

09:22

I find my new bible

slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires

Kiwy

09:34

@mikeserv who are you ?

you give such good answer

mikeserv

10:04

Well, mikeserv's just this guy, you know?

Kiwy

@mikeserv yes I know but how old are you for exemple ?

mikeserv

You want an example of my age?

Kiwy

@mikeserv yes or you're real age maybe :D

Graeme

10:23

I think this should be reopened:

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Q: How to trace system calls being invoked after typing command?

This question is relevant to the question of 'what happens when we type a simple command on shell?' I posted earlier. (I thought it would be better to post it seperately. But if not, please let me know.) I learned from the previous question that the shell built-in commands are treated specially ...

shell process subshell

@Kiwy @slm @FaheemMitha @casey @derobert

Kiwy

@Graeme you give too much credit, I can't vote reopen yet :D but I'm not sure if should be reopen, the OP does not show any while to reopen and seems satisfied with the answer of the other question no?

mikeserv

Well, really, I'm 31 years old.

Kiwy

@mikeserv sure it's not an example ? :D

Graeme

@Kiwy Sorry, I thought you were 3K

mikeserv

Its that too.

Kiwy

10:31

@mikeserv well, you should continu to hang aroung because you're definitely very useful to the site

Graeme

@Kiwy The OP isn't going to find his answer in the other question since it isn't there.

Kiwy

I like your answers

mikeserv

I like being appreciated, so we're both happy.

Kiwy

@mikeserv I like your style also, but don't push too much ;-)

mikeserv

Okeydoke. It just comes with being an asshole sometimes. Sorry, @Kiwy.

Some people are dyslexics, and some of us are jerks. We all have our own challenges.

Kiwy

10:34

Yeah I understand, it's not easy to be good on unixes system, you never get any friend because you're such a geek @mikeserv

I mean I'm not that good

mikeserv

Nah. I've only been at this a little less than a year. If you look back in my history to my first answers last autumn (here and on SO) you'll see when I first started trying - I only do it because I've found its the quickest way to learn.

Kiwy

@mikeserv same experience here :D learn so much in 3 months of intense U&L

mikeserv

I had to stop after a few back then because I quickly learned I didn't know enough to keep it up. Indeed.

Before that I held a job ran a little crew of support techs for the power company, but, man, none of us knew what we were doing.

It was all Windows anyway. Pretty much our job was to wipe disks.

Anyway, we were subcontractors, but, last year, when our f***ing s***ty client - the main company that was contracted by the power company and that subcontracted us - was fired, I decided I was going to do something about being an idiot.

Kiwy

@mikeserv that's nice to say you were an idiot using windows and not anymore because using unixes :D

but windows can be pretty powerful but much more complicated to master in my opinion

mikeserv

Well - I used Linux then too, but I wasn't very good with it. Windows was work. Mostly erasing it and installing it.

Kiwy

10:50

@mikeserv that's funny my work computer is on windows but basically the only program I use on it are Lotus note (what a fucked up soft) firefox and superputty, because basically I spend my days on remote system :D

mikeserv

What I think has helped me most is that I generally try to avoid using convenience applications as much as I can - no bashisms or any of that, at least not unless I fully understand how they work.

Superputty? What's that? I used to use Kitty a lot, but I haven't had a Windows installation for some time now.

Kiwy

superputty is just another tabbed putty @mikeserv

mikeserv

That's super.

Kiwy

11:11

@mikeserv sometime you should restraints yourself from making jokes

Faheem Mitha

@Graeme Voted to reopen

Graeme

@FaheemMitha Thanks

Faheem Mitha

@Graeme I didn't actually bother to check whether that was correct. I'm taking your word for it. :-)

Ok, I see your comment. I don't know strace. The difference is significant, I assume

Ok, I see the point. the listed duplicate is about builtins only.

The poster wants to know about regular forked commands, it seems. Though he doesn't seem to realise that himself.

Graeme

Probably he has been taken to a very confused place where he believes ls is a bash builtin...

slm

11:27

@Graeme voted to reopen

Graeme

@slm thanks

One more vote required!

0

Q: How to trace system calls being invoked after typing command?

This question is relevant to the question of 'what happens when we type a simple command on shell?' I posted earlier. (I thought it would be better to post it seperately. But if not, please let me know.) I learned from the previous question that the shell built-in commands are treated specially ...

shell process subshell

@Gilles

mikeserv

@Kiwy au contraire, mon frere - life is too short to limit a smile.

Kiwy

@mikeserv are you french speaking ? that's a nice quote, is it yours ?

slm

@TAFKA'goldilocks' Yeah I'm fine w/ that except in this case it wasn't clear what we were dup'ing w/ what. The possible dup was itself, causing a loop.

Gilles

@Graeme yeah, ok, though the questions are very very close

in either case it's asking to trace the existing shell process

Graeme

11:42

@Gilles no, this is asking to find the execve for ls which occurs after the fork, so it will be in a child process

See the OP's other question:

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Q: What happens when we type a simple command on shell?

I have a simple doubt on execution of a simple command. As per my understanding, when we type a command such as ls on interactive shell, Shell interpretes the command. Shell creates a child process and excecutes the command on the child process. Shell waits for the child process's completion. ...

shell process subshell

mikeserv

@Kiwy, it is my quote - but I give it freely if you want it. I just wrote it there. In the box. But the "To the contrary, my friend" part is about the only French I know.

Kiwy

my friend would be translated by mon ami more than mon frère (means my brother)

mikeserv

@slm - dup loop

Kiwy

Anyway I keep your quote in a part of my head

mikeserv

There you go - I don't even know that much, it seems.

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

12:15

@slm I did not really expect that one to resolve the way it should have -- with the higher quality Q&A left open, and the older, trashier one closed -- since there were already 3 close votes on the former. But I am trying to raise the issue with, e.g., you and @Gilles because you are both competent enough to recognize the issue and that we already have a precedent for dealing w/ this that I don't think is being applied as much as it should (correct me if I am wrong!): if you have the

time to identify dupes, then you should have the time to evaluate which one should be closed on the basis of the quality, clarity, non-localization of the question and, as in this case, if there's already a better quality answer as well, then it's the old one that should be closed. Otherwise, A) this is bad for the site generally since it leaves good Q&A's on hold with signposts to bad Q&A's -- ass backward, and B) the policy is just

self-serving if we only bother to think about it when we've written the new Q&A ;| Maybe a meta post about this would be good.

Gilles

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Q: Why is `find -name *.jks` not returning some files?

find . -name *.jks -print 2>/dev/null returns files of extension jks that do not have underscores as part of their name. Much to my surprise, I have just discovered that * does NOT substitute the underscore. find . -name *_*.jks -print 2>/dev/null returns files of extension jks that have on...

find wildcards

3

Q: Why is my find not recursive?

I am running the following command, but it is not performed recursively: find . -name *.java I know there are java files further down in the current directory but it is performing the find on the current directory only. I am using OS X, 10.9.

shell find wildcards

In this case I didn't think either q/a pair was markedly higher quality than the other

so I went with the default order

but I'm fine either way

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

@Gilles You're saying the first question is not obviously more localized than the second? Fair enough if you did make the judgement call -- I can't force you to agree w/ me on that. It just appeared to me that no such call was made (again, the new one already a better answer -- notice it's collected 13 up votes since yesterday while the old only has 10 after 7+ months); you simply identified there was a dupe and so elected to close the new question.

Gilles

@TAFKA'goldilocks' well, ok, the older one does have the underscore red herring

ok, I voted to reopen the newer one

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

12:31

@Gilles :)

To be fair I don't know that the new question already had the answer that it does when you cast the first close vote -- probably it did not, which complicates the issue.

Although the Q & the A are both within the same hour.

Kiwy

About dups iI feel like asking a sort of mastr dups question that contains all the question, so google could link all those related question because everybody has a different way of asking things depending of being from different culture langugge and level of understanding

slm

12:57

@TAFKA'goldilocks' Agree w/ everything you're saying. I just wasn't clear on what the other Q was in the set of 2 to eval. as a dup. Perhaps I'm missing something but the "possible dup" comment was pointing back to the same Q&A.

I think we reopen the newer Q then label the older as a dup. The newer one being more generic is what you're saying, correct?

I voted to reopen the newer one that was labeled a dup

For those trying to follow along we want to reopen this one

3

Q: Why is my find not recursive?

I am running the following command, but it is not performed recursively: find . -name *.java I know there are java files further down in the current directory but it is performing the find on the current directory only. I am using OS X, 10.9.

shell find wildcards

Once reopened we want to dup the older one to this

2

Q: Why is `find -name *.jks` not returning some files?

find . -name *.jks -print 2>/dev/null returns files of extension jks that do not have underscores as part of their name. Much to my surprise, I have just discovered that * does NOT substitute the underscore. find . -name *_*.jks -print 2>/dev/null returns files of extension jks that have on...

find wildcards

@TAFKA'goldilocks''s logic is that the newer one is more generic in it's phrasing, which I agree with, but looking at these Q&A's they're both about the same quality so this reshuffling is just to get the generic Q to be the root of the dup tree

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

13:13

@slm If you've taken the time to form an opinion and decide on the basis of that, that's the most I can ask. However, in this particular case, I'd make two big points about the new Q&A: 1) The title very clearly, and succintly describes the phenomenon -- that is what appears to happen if you don't quote the wildcard. The other one is probably not something someone would find if they were having this problem. 2) The new answer is also clearer, more succinct, less rambling, and as

Gilles observes, contains less red herring.

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

13:27

@Gilles @slm

0

Q: Which duplicate should be closed?

I'm raising this issue because it seems to me that when we find a new question that has an obvious duplicate, it should not necessarily be the new question that is closed. We already have a good precedent in that occasionally someone will do a self-answered Q&A (actually the only one I know of i...

discussion close-reasons duplicate

I don't refer to this particular instance, BTW, although I still think it is a good example.

Kiwy

13:51

Could @slm @Gilles @TAFKA'goldilocks' @casey vote delete this question ?

0

Q: squid proxy in localhost

How to configure squid proxy in localhost and tests it , when there is already a proxy in my institution network. I have installed squid, tried with default port and different port. But, it's not working. Thank you for the replies.. I got it working using cache_peer for squid behind another p...

squid

it's poor quality and the OP find a solution of his own that he could share but as the original question means nothing it's very unlikely that his answer mean anything

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

@Kiwy Yeah, keeping that one is pointless.

And was just essentially discarded by he OP by editing in "I got it working."

Kiwy

@TAFKA'goldilocks' that's my point indeed

Braiam

14:08

@Kiwy there, autodeletion in 4 days ;(

Kiwy

@Braiam a on hold question gets deleted after 4 days ?

Braiam

104

A: Enable automatic deletion of old, unanswered zero-score questions after a year?

Just to formally document the exact policies we have in place to remove old abandoned / dead questions, the Community user will delete questions in the following circumstances: If the question is more than 30 days old, and ... has −1 or lower score has no answers is not locked ...or... it ...

7 days apparently

Graeme

This attempted edit, wtf

unix.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/42822

Grrrr

Kiwy

@Graeme WTF

some people are really stupid

Graeme

Deleting half of the answer though, that's shocking

Kiwy

14:17

yes but see the comments, it's to make thinks clearer

> Added explanation for the -printf '\n', to differentiate from the other solutions.

:D

Graeme

TBH, that part wasn't so bad, might put it back in. I have had a few like this recently, this one really peeved me though

Gilles

0

A: Tags [httpd] and [apache]: synonym candidates?

Given the observations made by derobert and slm, we should use the tags apache-httpd for questions about the web server of the Apache project; other tags (e.g. lighttpd) for questions about a specific non-Apache web server; webserver for questions about web servers in general. Since apache is...

Hmmm, how should we tag OpenBSD's fork of Apache?

Kiwy

BSD-httpd

?

Gilles

no, either openbsd-httpd or apache-httpd

Kiwy

then /:openbsd-httpd definitley

Gilles

14:31

And what about questions like this one which specify a web server but would apply to any web server?

1

Q: Linux fedora - httpd package and router, how to make it work?

I installed HTTPD package to setup private web server in my house on one of the computers. The server is up and running, but I can't access the server from outside by using my external IP address. I think it's because of my router, I have 3 computers in the house connected through router, and on...

fedora router httpd

in fact this one would apply to any TCP server

Kiwy

@gilles nice work around

Gilles

@Kiwy unix.stackexchange.com/questions/75588/… ethernet, not interface

why do we even have a interface tag? this could apply to all sorts of unrelated things

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

Hey y'all should help get this piece of cleverness in the sidebar, it is more useful than looking at logos over and over...it's a "dynamic ad" hosted by S.E., so that updates to reflect reality.

2

A: Community Promotion Ads - 2014

Kiwy

@Gilles I would say interface is better than internet as you can define sub serial or sub other type

Gilles

@Kiwy should be network-interface then, not interface

Kiwy

14:38

@gilles then interface should be deleted (by the way how to write tag link)

@TAFKA'goldilocks' +& right now !

Gilles

0

Q: Clarifying the interface tag

“Interface” is a very broad word that could mean anything. The interface tag is mostly about network interfaces, and the questions are mostly about Ethernet interfaces. We have an ethernet tag for questions specifically about Ethernet transport and interfaces. However some questions may warrant ...

discussion tags

@Kiwy [tag:foo]. Works both on the site and in chat.

Kiwy

test does work nicely indeed

Braiam

How do you even type --no-preserve-root accidentally?! :-o — ThatGraemeGuy 8 hours ago

Kiwy

14:54

@Braiam that's indeed a nice mistake :D

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

@Braiam Perhaps, an accident of mind and not of hand.

Braiam

@TAFKA'goldilocks' apparently was on hand, typed an extra space before /

Kiwy

I personnaly never use this option never ever

except when he told me I need to

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

What's it in relation to?

Never mind I see it.

Kiwy

@Braiam how do you get links to comment ?

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

15:00

Good reason to never bother with a trailing slash unless the application requires it, I guess.

Braiam

37

Q: Add chat oneboxing support for comment links

Since we have direct links to comments now, IMHO it would only be fair for comment links in the chat to be treated on the same level as question and answer links. (This question feels kinda empty, and I don't even have a pony picture handy to pad it...)

feature-request status-completed comments chat onebox

derobert

@Kiwy The date after the comment is a link to it

Braiam

but should be the only thing you paste, if you add something else the oneboxing is lost

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

I think that pony has a jgs stuck in its hair. — darvids0n Feb 2 '12 at 0:08

derobert

15:45

I'm confused as to why this is too broad:

-1

Q: Misuse of go-r *

I am working on a test server. Was logged in as root and issued cd / chmod go-r * I certainly revoked the write permissions for the users that I had created. Did I revoke the permissions (r/w/x) from all the groups that were created for processes like mysql, httpd, ftp etc - or do they chown ...

permissions chmod

Voting it down as RTFM, that I can understand. But not why its closed as too broad.

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

16:08

@derobert Agreed, voted to reopen.

You might want to @slm @strugee for that.

Perhaps the subtlety that it was not recursive was missed, although you do make that clear in your answer...

I remember casting "leave open" on this one, BTW. <tease>Methinks again there are some users that have not found this button yet </tease>

Braiam

@derobert I would close it as unclear

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

@Braiam In what sense? It's pretty explicit.

As I've ranted about much, finding reasons to close something because it is in the queue when you would not do this otherwise is a bad practice.

Lukas Knuth

Is there a way to tell less to start at the bottom of the file?

Gilles

@LukasKnuth less '+>' /path/to/file

Braiam

@TAFKA'goldilocks' doesn't tell me if he ran as root, nor I see a way that chmod go-r * would go recursive

and mess with something else

Lukas Knuth

16:16

ah, nice @Gilles

thanks :)

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

@Braiam @!#$ Dude you did not even read the FIRST LINE: "I am working on a test server. Was logged in as root.."

See, this is the whole issue: "Someone else said it should be closed, bang bang bang"

Braiam

@TAFKA'goldilocks' still, what's the problem?

is there something bad happening with the system?

what's the issue?

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

@Braiam I am just trying to encourage people to think harder before they act because YES I think there is a problem w/ the system in so far as we close too many question too easily, with the excuse that they can be re-opened, but in fact re-opening them is a hassle and a poor excuse ("I might as well make mistakes all the time -- since they can be fixed all the time anyway...").

I presume you read my meta post from last week or whenever....

I also sense you are teasing me now. ;P

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Shall i vote to reopen?

@goldilocks ditto?

I don't understand why it was put on hold either. In any case, I think derobert answered him.

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

@FaheemMitha If you think it's appropriate. Like, it is not the best Q&A in the world, but it's not unclear, nor, as derobert points out, too broad. It's in fact clear and specific.

Faheem Mitha

16:25

@TAFKA'goldilocks' ok, voted to reopen.

derobert

Well, up to 4 votes now (sorry, was AFK for a few minutes)...

just need a 5th

mikeserv

@Gilles that's really cool... What is that - the '+>' is that less specific or...? I've never seen it before?

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam it is DEFCON 5.

Gilles

17:04

@mikeserv the characters after + are commands to execute on startup. This is specific to less and some versions of vi

mikeserv

@Gilles vi too? I made it a question... Maybe that was stupid, I dunno. But there's already an answer, though nothing to do with vi. If you see it and can add anything I'd appreciate it.

Gilles

@mikeserv link?

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

@Gilles

0

Q: less '+>' /path/to/file

So @Gilles mentioned in the chatroom here that the above syntax could be used with less in order to view a file in reverse, I think. I've never seen it before, and though I asked there, I thought, you know, since this is a Q&A site after all, maybe I'd make it official - for progeny or whatever. ...

redirect

derobert

17:38

@TAFKA'goldilocks' @mikeserv I cleaned that question up a bit...

mikeserv

18:21

@derobert And for that I thank you. Though our progeny might not.

Sorry @Gilles - but it looks like @Tafka (really, still?) picked up my slack.

derobert

@mikeserv It's OK, I'm pretty sure Progeny is long gone.

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

18:51

@mikeserv "really, still" It was intended to be an April Fool's thing, but live and learn...

Heh heh

Just as well or I might start naming myself after the current day of the week.

mikeserv

19:10

Anybody know an answer to this: unix.stackexchange.com/q/123602/52934

Faheem Mitha

19:32

This is a super-trivial question for anyone who does sysadmin, but can someone point me to a guide on how to point my domain faheem.info to my VPS?

Currently it's parked with my registrar. I guess I need to change my registrar configurations.

Do I just need to point the domain to the corresponding IP address or is it more complicated than that?

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

@FaheemMitha It should be that simple.

Faheem Mitha

@TAFKA'goldilocks' Ah, Ok. I'll try to figure that out.

There is something called a zone file. Should I be trying to edit that?

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

@FaheemMitha Yeah, that's the ticket. I don't do this very often but remember it as being very straight forward. Would make a good Q&A, since it's something people are, reasonably, trepidatious about. You can't do any real harm, though.

Faheem Mitha

@TAFKA'goldilocks' "You can't do any real harm, though." Hah. Famous last words.

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

19:51

@FaheemMitha I can't remember whether you need to specify nameservers that belong to the registrar, or the host... Doesn't your VPS provider have like, a help page for this?

Faheem Mitha

@TAFKA'goldilocks' They might, but I haven't found anything yet. It's gandi.net. I think they fancy themselves as techy. They give money to Debian, apparently, which is one reason why I chose them. A registrar for the clueless probably would.

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

@FaheemMitha Hmm, on the other hand techy people who give money to debian would you think be thoughtful and user friendly, vs. money grubby types who delegate stuff like user documentation to underpaid incompetents.

Faheem Mitha

@TAFKA'goldilocks' Well, maybe they have good docs somewhere. I'm still looking. Worst come to the worst, I can write a ticket and I expect they will tell me. They have pretty nice looking web pages, fwiw.

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

It's always the same anyway, if you can find any kind of decent general guide.

Okay, the name servers are those of the VPS host.

Unfortunately it seems all the help page hits are for specific hosts/registrars, so you have to piece together and infer some stuff.

Faheem Mitha

@TAFKA'goldilocks' That's probably true.

@TAFKA'goldilocks' Ok. I'll get there.

Some unfortunate person is trying to install PHP. I'm trying to make him rethink it.

Ok, first, I'm reluctant to help anyone in the misguided endeavor installing PHP, custom or otherwise. You really, really don't want to do that. Rethink it, please. You still want to? Are you sure? Ok, then the correct thing to do it to download the Debian/Ubuntu PHP package sources, configure those and then rebuild them. That way you will have a Debian package you can then install, which you system will know about. You probably need more details. Feel free to ask. See also unix.stackexchange.com/q/112157. This is about backporting, but it covers the basics of customizing packages. — Faheem Mitha 3 mins ago

Probably wasted effort.

Somebody voted to close as unclear. Not unclear. Just terribly, terribly, misguided.

The zone file looks like this:

@ 10800 IN A 217.70.184.38
blog 10800 IN CNAME blogs.vip.gandi.net.
imap 10800 IN CNAME access.mail.gandi.net.
pop 10800 IN CNAME access.mail.gandi.net.
smtp 10800 IN CNAME relay.mail.gandi.net.
webmail 10800 IN CNAME agent.mail.gandi.net.
www 10800 IN CNAME webredir.vip.gandi.net.
@ 10800 IN MX 10 ceu-1.inbound10.luxsci.com.
@ 10800 IN MX 20 ceu-1.inbound20.luxsci.com.
@ 10800 IN MX 30 ceu-1.inbound30.luxsci.com.

The question is, what do I change to make faheem.info go somewhere else?

www 10800 IN CNAME webredir.vip.gandi.net.

looks like the most likely possibility, but this is just a guess.

Could someone explain the

@ 10800 IN A 217.70.184.38

? The 10800 seems particularly cryptic.

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

20:16

@FaheemMitha As much as you hate to hear it, that's a bad form of personal opinion, esp. since you don't know any PHP! After all, a lot of people would say lisp is a fantastically ugly, awkward, outdated language, but telling that here would be considered massively inappropriate, I think.

Faheem Mitha

@TAFKA'goldilocks' I tried to use PHP once. It was an awful experience. I hope the poster won't be offended, anyway. I generally try to be respectful of other people's opinions, but I draw the line at PHP. Luckily, comments can't be downvoted.

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

@FaheemMitha I don't remember actually having to edit these directly so much.

Zone file

A Domain Name System (DNS) zone file is a text file that describes a DNS zone. A DNS zone is a subset, often a single domain, of the hierarchical domain name structure of the DNS. The zone file contains mappings between domain names and IP addresses and other resources, organized in the form of text representations of resource records (RR). A zone file may be either a DNS master file, authoritatively describing a zone, or it may be used to list the contents of a DNS cache. File format The format of a zone file is defined in RFC 1035 (section 5) and RFC 1034 (section 3.6.1). This format w...

@FaheemMitha Well, most of them are probably used to the abuse at this point.

Again, I'm no fan, but I do think it get an excessively bad rap.

Most of the objections seem to be along the lines of "I think the use of whitespace in python syntax is STUPID."

@FaheemMitha Yeah, looking at that and the wikipedia example make it seem weird. See, this is a good question.

Faheem Mitha

@TAFKA'goldilocks' I think you are being way too kind to PHP. I can find you tons of articles on the net about how awful PHP is. Most of them are filled with convincing details.

@goldilocks actually blog.wikidot.com/blog:understanding-dns is helpful

apparently 10800 is some sort of timeout - 3hrs.

@TAFKA'goldilocks' Yes, Python's whitespace is imo a misfeature, but it does have the advantage of making the code look cleaner.

Wrt the zone file, i probably just need to change the first line, I think.

@TAFKA'goldilocks' I'm not intentionally trying to be a jerk. I get this myself from strangers and don't like it. Though the poster may have interpreted it like that.

@Graeme that was a nice reply.

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

@FaheemMitha Oh I'm aware of that. However, it is a genuine target for self proclaimed experts engaged in making a fashion trend out of beating on PHP. Sort of like how some media pundits make their living criticizing how e.g., Miley Cyrus acts now she's all grown up. Is there a faint grain of a valid point in there? Maybe, but one thing I'm positive about is that the amount of tripe spewed about it is out of all proportion. These are people who will jump on any bandwagon they think

will aggrandize them in the blog-o-sphere. Like, "Now I've put down some PHP I have some street cred" -- get a life.

@FaheemMitha Okay, it's a "TTL". I'm just trying to match that up with the wikipedia example. o_O?

Oh <sarcasm>yay!</sarcasm> there are original RFCs you can read!

tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1035

Faheem Mitha

20:38

@TAFKA'goldilocks' Internet docs are always fun reading.

@TAFKA'goldilocks' You are probably right about bandwagons and so forth, but I've never been a bandwagon person, and wouldn't dream of criticizing Ms. Cyrus, or Ms. Lohan for that matter. I am just genuinely horrified by PHP.

You should read the priceless comments its creator made. They are enough to put you off by itself.

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

@FaheemMitha Well, I won't keep flogging a dead horse. I prefer to not have much to do w/ it anyway.... So "RR" = Resource Record.

Faheem Mitha

Here's something I never understood. Why does host 81.4.122.126 return nothing, but I can ssh to it?

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

21:07

@FaheemMitha If you use the IP address, you don't need to do any name resolution, I guess.

Faheem Mitha

@TAFKA'goldilocks' Ok. So this IP address just has no name attached to it, then? I suppose there is no reason why that can't be the case.

Well, unix.stackexchange.com/q/123616/4671 is certainly an ambitious question. Want to bet it will be closed as not clear what is being asked?

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

@FaheemMitha Yeah. Like you could totally screw up your zone file and remove any local reference in /etc/hosts but I'm sure you'd still be able to reach your VPS via IP.

Gilles

This question is too broad because it is looking for the Wikipedia article on the subject. — Gilles 22 secs ago

Faheem Mitha

@Gilles I think he wants to know What It Is All About. Unfortunately, I think he will be disappointed.

Maybe Linus has a secret plan, but if so, he is not telling anyone.

Gilles

@FaheemMitha What It Is All About is what Wikipedia is all about

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

21:15

@Gilles Wikipedia? What is "wikipedia"?

Actually I'm guessing someone is writing something for some particular purpose, perhaps an elective paper at an institute of higher learning.

Which is fine, but perhaps organization is not the strong suit here.

Faheem Mitha

he asks "Can this quarter of a century evolution be summarily qualified beyond the linear addition of all the listed features that make up this kernel over time?" Hmm, I could attempt an answer, but I doubt it will satisfy him.

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

I think someone just needs some pointers about what to include and what not to include in a specific context, but the context is not specifically presented. "Layman's terms" is not limited by length, and I don't see why you couldn't make all these generally comprehensible, given enough pages. Like say, those in a book...

Faheem Mitha

21:39

Well, I wrote some stream of consciousness stuff. Probably not very useful.

Gilles

@TAFKA'goldilocks' the place where you're supposed to look before asking here

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A: Is it okay to ask questions here when Wikipedia already has the answer?

If your question is “what is X”, you should look on Wikipedia first. Then, it's fine to ask something like “what is X? Wikipedia says it's a green wobbly widget, but I don't understand what it means for a widget to be wobbly or why it would matter that it's green”. Or “How does X apply to <specif...

derobert

@FaheemMitha I'm very tempted to close as too broad, as that strikes me as requiring quite a bit of effort to answer. Enough that it'd be acceptable for publication in a peer-reviewed journal, possibly a few papers...

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Yes, it is probably too broad. I gave it a shot, but I'm very likely not answering the question anyway...

Wow, somebody actually upvoted that. :-)

what does foss stand for anyone?

Braiam

this is one easily found in wikipedia for example

derobert

I vaguely recall there being at least a few people planning on writing dissertations on this, or similar. I suspect you will find academic literature on the subject... Other than pointing to existing publications, it seems like your questions would require months of research to answer. — derobert 1 min ago

Faheem Mitha

21:49

@goldilocks thanks for the kind words.

@derobert yes, there are theses and books written about this, I'm sure.

derobert

"For a time in the 70s and 80s, proprietary operating systems became ascendent. This was in some sense an unnatural state of affairs. Microsoft's Windows was for a time dominant, and in a sense still is, but it only kept its position by exploiting network effects." [citation needed]

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Seriously?

derobert

Sure. Since the history of operating systems begins in maybe the 60s, I'd like a cite to proprietary ones being ascendent as being an unnatural state of affairs...

Faheem Mitha

Maybe I didn't phrase it well, but how do you think MS became a monopoly?

@derobert Oh, I see what you mean.

derobert

And also, the claim that MS only kept its position by exploiting network effects is a hard one... Expecially if you're talking about the 70s and 80s.

Faheem Mitha

21:53

No, that's subjective, I don't think I can provide a cite. I just think operating systems want to be free.

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

@FaheemMitha FOSS = Free (not as in beer) open source software.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert I'd have thought that was uncontroversial. The more people using MS, the more people would use it.

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

The "free" is a meaningful further qualification to "open source".

derobert

@FaheemMitha Yes. But in the 80s, that thing with the network effect was known as VisiCalc.

Faheem Mitha

@TAFKA'goldilocks' i thought it was used in a free + open source sense.

@derobert Your point being, that it died?

derobert

21:55

My point being that in the 80s, MS didn't really gain by exploiting the network effect. They were actually not the dominant player at the time.

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

@FaheemMitha It is. But just to be clear, not all OSS is free (not as in beer), hence FOSS.

derobert

Oh, and Lotus 1-2-3 as well.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert yes, I guess that is true.

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

I.e. there is non-free open source.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert do you have a rephrasing in mind?

@TAFKA'goldilocks' well, the Open Source defn and the Free Software defns are very very similar, so I don't see that.

@derobert on second thoughts, i meant that once it was dominant, it was able to keep its position via network effects, but maybe it didn't get there by using them

derobert

21:58

First, I suspect you want to talk about the 80s and 90s, not 70s and 80s.

TAFKA 'goldilocks'

@derobert They made much of leveraging IE, sucessfully, for a very long time, although I don't know if I'd count that as explaining their survival, or if it is even what is being talked about here.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Fine, I'll change that to the 80s and 90s

derobert

@TAFKA'goldilocks' Not in the 80s they didn't. But yes, in the 90s, but that wasn't so much to keep Windows around, as it was to keep IE (and probably IIS) around.

Faheem Mitha

I wasn't paying much attention then, so my dates are a little fuzzy

derobert

Remember there were both Unix and Mac versions of IE.

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