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2:09 AM
Should this be a dupe?
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Q: Run 64 bit app on 32 bit system (Ubuntu)

GabrielAll the questions I've seen refer to running a 32 bit app in a 64 bit system. I'm running Ubuntu 12.04 32 bit (actually elementary OS Luna, which is based on it) and I'm trying to run a 64 bit app which refuses open. Should I be able to run it? Is it possible to run a 64 bit app in a 32 bit sys...

I've linked to the potential dupe in my comment. I've never tried to run 64bit apps on a 32bit system but presumably dpkg --add-architecture amd64 should work perfectly well right?
 
@terdon dpkg still doesn't have that option..
 
freakin Debian ;)
 
@Braiam huh? Which option? --add-architecture?
 
actually, Ubuntu's dpkg is the one lagging...
 
honestly it's going to be a sad day if he doesn't have 64-bit stuff
@Braiam my bad
 
2:12 AM
oh, you mean --foreign-architecture ?
 
maybe he means --add-architecture amd64
 
OK, but will it be possible to run a 64bit program on a 32bit machine? I don't know enough of how the multiarch works to have an opinion.
 
no
it's physically impossible at the hardware level
if you have a 32-bit installation on 64-bit hardware, that's a different story. in that case multiarch works both ways
 
@strugee if you have a 64-bit CPU you can
just use the 64-bit kernel (some need to) and you are able to run in a mostly 32-bit system, 64-bit stuff
 
54 secs ago, by strugee
if you have a 32-bit installation on 64-bit hardware, that's a different story. in that case multiarch works both ways
 
2:15 AM
@strugee ... lag...
 
ah
you have a gorgeous terminal theme, what is it? (gnome-terminal by the tabs, I assume?)
oh wait that's actually just the GTK+ dark theme coupled with a different background
 
yeah
huh?
I just used no background...
 
@Braiam I meant a different solid-color background
 
@strugee yes, that's the situation I'm thinking of. I was just imagining you might run into problems when attempting to address memory but presumably the multiarch will deal with that
 
@strugee nope, just the same colors of the theme
is my theme that appealing?
 
2:18 AM
Am I the only one who uses terminator? It's the best damn terminal emulator I've ever seen!
 
@Braiam haha I meant different from the default
oh textual communication, how I love you
@terdon sell it to me
 
@strugee fast, lighter than gnome-terminal (I may be wrong though since it's based on it but it sure seems fatser) supports all sorts of fancy things like infinite scroll back, true transparency etc BUT can also do not only tabs but things like this:
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A: Script or launcher to setup multible terminal tabs in different locations

terdonYou can do this using GNOME terminator which is a great terminal with, among other things, the ability to split panes horizontally or vertically. Once you have installed terminator you can set up a profile with your desired settings (instructions adapted from here): Run terminator, and set up...

Or this, which I just did in a bout 3 seconds (just 2 keyboard shortcuts):
 
holy crap, that's amazing
reminds me of something super cool I found once, lemme find it
btw @Braiam let us know how review audits go
or at least me
 
@strugee heh yeah, but this one is just a terminal emulator. Also loads in ~0.05s which is not bad
 
@strugee mm?
 
2:36 AM
@Braiam on AU. I ended up there because of the q you linked and I've been reading all about the drama
what with Mint questions and review audits and whatnot
I didn't actually realize having your review overridden/roboreviewers were a problem, since U&L's queues are so small
@terdon I'd be more impressed if my shell didn't take on the order of seconds to start up
emulator startup time doesn't really matter to me
 
fair enough. me neither really, I just still notice these things because I learned on older machines and the KDE apps were slow. I then discovered aterm which was really fast and still consider speed relevant today although it hasn't really been so for years
@strugee hah! Try Super User, let alone Stack Overflow
@Braiam off-topic question: do you use me mola for me gusta in DR? Or is it just a Spanish from Spain thing?
 
@terdon I only have 3k on here but I can imagine
 
@strugee yeah, I keep thinking you have more. Go forth, my son, and answer some questions! Not like you lack the knowledge!
 
@terdon probably only mexico
 
@terdon yeah, I do occasionally, but I like the laid-back pace here. it's nice since I don't have a ton of time, what with school and stuff
 
2:46 AM
@Braiam You mean mole? The food?
 
whenever I do answer a question though I'm always really pleased with the results because I tend to only answer those that look like I can give a good answer to
 
@terdon we don't use "mola" unless is "amolar" which is to grind
 
@Braiam yeah, that's what I thought, thanks. In Spain it's molar which means like. As in me mola tu idea.
 
I have listened/read/watched some programs of Spain, they use a weird spanish, btw (but that's just for us)
 
Anyway @Braiam why are you so dead set against Mint Qs? AU allows all Ubuntu variants and mint is one, the only difference is the name really. As far as I know, there is nothing on Mint that is not installable on Ubuntu and vice versa, the repos are compatible and the underlying system is the same. If you allow ultimate ubuntu for example, why not Mint? What makes Mint different?
 
2:50 AM
e.g. stackoverflow.com/a/13444138/1198896 is a nice explanation of how variables get assigned in JS, and serverfault.com/questions/521200/… is a nice explanation of public vs private IPs
 
askubuntu.com/help/on-topic: This is not the right place for: Linux Mint, Backtrack, Gnome-Remix (prior to 13.04) and other Linux distributions (try our friends at Unix & Linux Stack Exchange).
 
@terdon something like Kubuntu is a variation. Mint is not. it's a downstream derivative distribution.
 
@Braiam I know, but the distinction makes no sense to me. There is nothing in Mint that is not applicable to Ubuntu.
 
@terdon the same reason why Debian forums doesn't accept Ubuntu questions :/
 
@Braiam completely different. Ubuntu makes major changes to Debian, Mint makes essentially no changes to Ubuntu
There are various things that work on Debian and not on Ubuntu and vice versa, not the case for mint.
 
2:53 AM
I'm with Braiam on this one. having done AU for a while, the influx of crap questions is awful. they even have problems with people not downvoting/flagging. and of course there's the roboreviewers thing
 
@terdon but if we do, how can we be sure?
 
if they expand their scope it will only get worse. the "Ubuntu" scope is confined to one distribution and they still can't keep up. imagine how awful it would get if they expanded.
 
@terdon the same was said about Chrubuntu and look where we end about meta.askubuntu.com/q/8025/169736
we can't cope with the Ubuntu only Q's and need to spread thinner to support other distros?
 
@Braiam exactly! And chrubuntu is much more different than Mint. The policy seems to be "leave open unless it is about installing". Mint's installer is almost identical to UBuntu's as well. Even the repos are 100% compatible. I just don't understand why you guys don't simply add mint to the list of accepted derivatives.
@strugee yeah, I get that but Mint is Ubuntu, more so than any other non-official derivative probably.
 
@terdon I've seen weird cases where all solutions that should work in Ubuntu failed
 
2:58 AM
Really? And it wasn't LMDE? I spent a few years using Ubuntu an d a few more using Mint and never saw anything like that.
 
@terdon have you tried engaging with the AU community and actually answering some questions? the quality is probably the lowest I've ever seen
they need to do anything they can to keep out the crap
at least IMO
 
@terdon did you read my answer? the normal Ubuntu usage was crippled by downstream...
we tried for a while figuring out OP problem until we came to the conclusion that the problem was not Ubuntu, but whatever downstream has done
same with that mint question, the comments were cleared but there are 3 deleted answers that didn't work for OP, and the one accepted had several edits until they could work out a solution
also, if we accepted them, then why would U&L exist? Should be called non-Ubuntu Linux and Unix?
now for the finishing touch askubuntu.com/q/429944/169736
I want to get buried...
 
@Braiam see, that should be closed as a dup of "what is sudo", which you presumably have as a canonical question
 
@strugee wow, this one was difficult to find askubuntu.com/q/197772/169736
 
@Braiam I did, I just am not sure if it represents a community consensus, it was not very highly voted. Anyway, that was chrbuntu, Mint is a different issue and also the most popular distro. Mint users and Ubuntu users are pretty much the same group and , to me, it makes sense to allow them there.
@strugee yes I have (I have 1k rep there) and I agree that the site needs cleaning, urgently! I also tend to agree with @Braiam's position on things AU. I just think that allowing Mint makes more sense than trying to block perfectly valid questions since, at the very least, 99% of Mint will be applicable to UBuntu.
 
3:10 AM
@Braiam yeah, something like that. when I was on AU I had a meta question bookmarked that had canonical questions
 
@terdon why don't you propose your views? meta.askubuntu.com/q/8123/169736
 
@Braiam cause I wanted to discuss them with you first and because I don't really have that much of a stake in AU.
@Braiam ouch. But that is a perfectly valid newbie question. Well, apart from the complete lack of any research effort of course...
 
@terdon here's my point of view: yes, it makes sense for Mint stuff to be on AU. it makes perfect sense. it's just that the community literally does not have the capacity to handle more things
 
@strugee I get that. I just don't think that Mint will bring "more things". They're basically the same system so the users have the same problems.
 
@terdon I don't see many users with Cinnamon installed... so I disagree
 
3:13 AM
@terdon I didn't mean subject matter. I meant volume of questions
 
@Braiam well, OK. But cinnamon and mate are both available on the main Ubuntu repos so...
 
most of the time, unless you specify we presume you are using Unity
 
also, that question is a prime candidate for a "STFW" response. (paraphrased.)
 
shudders
 
@terdon no they're not
not yet
 
3:14 AM
@terdon nope, they aren't
there are PPA's but most of the time I see them broken somehow
 
they'll be inherited Debian soon-ish but in the meantime they're conspicuously absent
 
@terdon sorry, I wasn't sure about Cinnamon. MATE definitely is not, though.
 
I stand corrected for MATE, can't find it. OK. But it is still installable from the same .deb package on both systems.
OK, I have to admit, I also don't want Unix & Linux to be flooded by Mint newbies. There, that's my ulterior motive.
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@terdon I knew it...
 
3:17 AM
hah. insta-star from @Braiam
 
Nevertheless, my arguments stand :)
 
I mean the gsettings question that was in contention seems like a great fit here
if something is crap, it doesn't matter if it could be migrated. it should be closed on sight.
 
And there though. I mean, look, if I have a question about some obscure gsettings or dbus or GUI thing I might well ask on AU and simply pretend I'm using Ubuntu.
 
theoretically the AU community knows enough to judge whether questions should come here or not.
at least the mods do.
 
I've never done this, but knowing the sites, it might be a reasonable way of getting a good answer quickly.
@strugee ummm. They just had elections, not sure about that. I'd trust @Braiam over the mods any day. The only people who really know what to migrate are those who are active on both sites.
 
3:20 AM
at least I drop by before asking to be migrated over ;)
 
@terdon true, I voted for Braiam in the elections. my point was that while the mods may not be active here they at least won't migrate crap that we'd just close.
 
@strugee not agreeing
 
@Braiam oh. well then.
 
through truth be told, only SE staff knows exactly how many of the migrations gets rejected
at one time it was 0%, so I wonder what happened
 
@Braiam hang on, 28% of 7 is 1.96 (?) so I'm guessing 2 questions rejected out of 7. In any case, 7 is not significant any way you look at it, that number means very little.
Huh, of course this made it into the hot questions list:
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Q: How many different parts of speech can the f-word be used as?

David MIn an "interesting" thread of comments we began to look at the word fuck in several different uses. Most of them were interjections and verb uses as would be expected. But, perhaps dialectally, the word can easily be used as a noun, and even an adjective. I would like to see how many different...

 
guys, we have only one moderator: meta.askubuntu.com/a/4225/49090
@terdon
> I went swimming, fuck the cold.
should have a semicolon. that's a comma splice.
right?
 
@strugee Why is it a comma splice? The clauses are connected
Anyway, the comma splice is one of strunk and white's obsessions and their prescriptivist view on grammar is not very popular anymore.
In this case, it's equivalent to I went swimming and never mind the cold which could also be written as I went swimming, never mind the cold! Granted, you could consider it a comma splice but it doesn't bother me.
 
@terdon because they're both independent clauses and have no whaddayacallit
 
Still, such things are largely a matter of preference. As stated very nicely in wikipedia:
The British author Lynne Truss[9] observes: "so many highly respected writers observe the splice comma that a rather unfair rule emerges on this one: only do it if you're famous."
 
I guess I'm contesting your statement that it's being used as a conjunction
if that's the case then you have a sentence fragment
no verb
 
3:41 AM
@strugee ah, that is a much more valid point, yes. I won't really try to defend it, I was clutching at straws there :)
 
@terdon hah! still the most upvoted tho
I'm big on comma splices because I like semicolons
 
My argument is that fuck replaces despite in I went swimming despite mind the cold
 
probably from staring at so much C and JS code
 
lol
 
haha
 
3:45 AM
@terdon meant despite the cold, the mind was left over.
Man it's weird when I do that. I get desktop notifications of chat messages from me!
@Braiam food!
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Q: Is there a way to resize tray icons in Cinnamon?

dsp_099Skype for linux's icon is about 1.5x the size it should be and as a result is driving me insane. Is there a way to resize the tray appearance of just that icon?

:)
 
anyway, bringing is back on topic, I've been looking into microkernels recently. (modern ones. not Mach).
they're bloody fascinating
 
any PAM guru here? askubuntu.com/q/197876/169736
 
4:11 AM
ugh, I can't get Emacs to load my theme properly
 
4:40 AM
are you kidding me?? I found a page (nerdanswer.com/answer.php?q=106547) that describes my exact problem witha link to Super User. but the question's been deleted by OP!
 
ask a 10k'er over there to post a screenshot of it :)
 
4:58 AM
I was just thinking about that
but I may ask here for the next poor soul who has this problem
 
 
9 hours later…
1:46 PM
@slm @anthon why did you vote to close this as "Off topic because it's about a mac"?
Macs are on topic here AFAIK
As long as it's about "The Unix foundation underlying MacOS (but generally not frontend application questions)"
 
What is debian written on?
 
2:11 PM
@AwalGarg blood..
 
ha ha ha
 
@terdon Essentially because I was not awake enough to properly read that it didn't specify Mac font once I had decided that this was off-topic because it was about Mac fonts. Click, click and away
 
slm
@terdon I realized it's sort of about OSX + mint, but didn't feel it had anything to really do with U&L. It should've likely been put on the OSX SE site or perhaps SU. @anthon
 
@Anthon :)
@slm @Anthon I also voted to close, I just specified a different reason ("What's this font?" is off topic). I just didn't want the close reason to be: because it's OSX since that is explicitly on topic
 
slm
I didn't think identifying a particular font was on topic
agreed
 
2:18 PM
@slm agreed. Even though that particular font is the one I use to write code in :)
 
slm
I thought I selected that same reason too
 
@slm No, I wrote that in and I was the last to close
 
slm
I do remember going into the menu and picking that same thing, someone else had made a custom reason w/ that description.
 
Apparently, if you have >1 custom message, it is closed with a boilerplate off topic message
 
slm
I def. picked a custom msgs, can I see that somewhere?
 
2:19 PM
@slm dunno. But the custom message (with 3 upvotes, presumably Hauke's, ANthon's and yours since you're the other 3 who voted) was: "This question appears to be off-topic because it is about Mac."
 
@terdon I had seen that you closed it as well, but fortunately before asking "same reason as you did" I did read the automatically added comment and thereby prevented another inappropriateness.
 
OK, I was just making sure we were on the same page about OSX. I thought I'd missed a meeting or something
 
No base OSX stuff is ok, I am well aware of that.
 
slm
Should we reopen this one?
seems slightly different.
I'm inclined to reopen it
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Q: log into a machine through another, with (de)compression at the ends only

ricabI have looked all around but couldn't find the answer to a very simply question: I would like to log into machine C from machine A, passing through machine B. However, B is slow, so I would also like my connection to C to be compressed/decompressed at C, tunneled through B, and decompressed/comp...

 
@slm yes
@bersch this is also not a duplicate because the OP specifically asks for compression details, the dupe just explains tunnels. — terdon 12 hours ago
 
slm
2:28 PM
Right he added that now
 
@slm ? Added what? That's my comment from 12 hours ago
 
@terdon we are slow?
 
slm
There's a edit to the Q that makes mention of this
Someone edited it 2 hours ago
ricab did the edit
What's been going on with vonbrand? He's been getting a lot of non-answers
 
2:43 PM
@slm which Q?
 
2:56 PM
@slm You mean giving non answers?
 
3:28 PM
Hi guys.
 
3:39 PM
anyone else seeing weird font problems on some sites with chromium 33 ?
 
4:11 PM
@casey Define weird font problems.
I've noticed an unpleasant overlapping font issue in recent versions of chrome in debian stable
 
4:25 PM
@FaheemMitha certain fonts aren't loading (odd substitutions) the subs don't scale properly
It seems it may be a bug in 33. I'm building a later version now...
definitely a chromium issue as firefox has no problems with loading the fonts
 
4:55 PM
@casey might be a different issue. what does "the subs" mean?
 
substituted font
i'll take a screenshot
 
@casey I don't know what that is.
 
some sites look completely normal, but some look absolutely terrible
 
BTW, since there are some Stephenson fans here, does anyone know in which book there is a passage which is about a grad student who is told by the professor, oh, so you are the Unix expert in the department. The narrator then goes on to say, if the student has been more experience he would have recognized it as the knell of doom. The student later graduated without a degree (or something like that).
@casey Well, the fonts look a little shaky, but nothing extreme.
 
those are passable. I have some org-mode html exports with latex snippets and those are plain unreadable
 
5:04 PM
@casey Ok. do the fonts overrun each other? I've noticed that here. I also use chromium
 
no overruning
 
v32, current Debian wheezy.
@casey Ok, different problem then.
 
it just looks like it is using a raster font and scaling it badly for some font families
33 here, 35 building
 
Wow, I actually found it on wikiquote
"So, you're the UNIX guru." At the time, Randy was still stupid enough to be flattered by this attention, when he should have recognized them as bone-chilling words.
Three years later, he left the Astronomy Department without a degree, and with nothing to show for his labors except six hundred dollars in his bank account and a staggeringly comprehensive knowledge of UNIX.
Chapter 6, "The Spawn of Onan"
From a novel called Cryptonomicon
This Randy chap should come over here.
 
its on my reading list, but I haven't gotten to it yet
I probably own an e-book version of it but I can't really remember for sure
 
5:11 PM
@casey Aren't those ebook things expensive?
 
by things you mean the readers?
 
I just remembered that quote, because it is so characteristic of the attitude of academics to computer people.
@casey no, i mean the ebooks themselves, sorry.
I wonder if Stephenson has first hand experience of this. Or maybe he knew people who did.
 
depends. cryptonomicon is only $6. I could probably find a used paperback cheaper but there are not good used bookstores around here.
and I routinely spend more than that on lunch, so I won't miss $6
 
@casey Amazon's network is where I usually go for used paperbacks. sometimes just the cost of shipping ($4) + 1 cent, or at least it was a few years ago.
 
plus I don't have any shelf space left for fiction. :)
have to put those paperbacks somewhere...
 
5:17 PM
@casey True.
@casey I thought you were in the US. Is that incorrect?
 
I am
 
@casey Ok, then Amazon is an option. Though I have heard bad things about their labor practices, which makes me less eager to use them.
 
I wouldn't mind if the ebooks cost a bit more and 80% went back to the author
 
Well, since you've found space for Stevens, its OK.
... and wow, I recognize too many of those books
 
@derobert there is quite a range of topics on those shelves so not too surprising.
And the Stevens books will always be prominently displayed on my shelves :)
 
6:20 PM
@casey This is your bookshelf?
 
the stuff to the left of the main shelves are my wifes, the rest is mine
 
slm
@derobert I have most of them 8-)
 
6:37 PM
@casey That's a fair amount of stuff. Not excessive, though.
The files at the bottom look like they might be course notes. I used to keep mine forever. Never looked at them.
Hmm, one of the labels looks like STAT.
 
7:19 PM
@FaheemMitha course notes. Turbulence, Statistics, diff eq, atmoospheric dynamics, synoptic scale meteorology, mesoscale meteorology, radiation, convection, geophysical fluid dynamics, thermodynamics, cloud physics, forecasting, numerical weather prediction and some other stuff
 
@casey That's a lot of stuff. Do you ever look at it?
 
I'm preparing for my comprehensive exam so I do look at some of it
 
@casey Oh, I forgot you are still a student. I kept my notes long after I stopped being a student. For no good reason.
Eventually, I threw them away.
 
7:34 PM
@Braiam Sounds overly emotional for the topic at hand.
Like Ian Jackson having a meltdown over systemd.
 
O_O
 
@Braiam I don't know what that means, sorry.
 
surprised (wide eyed)?
 
It seems the mods Bruno and Oli over there are vehemently against allowing a migration path, as if they are protecting U&L somehow by preventing the users from doing it themseleves
 
@casey I'm unclear what this migration path means, exactly.
I thought one can migrate any question anywhere else.
@Braiam Ok. Surprised why?
 
7:40 PM
Faheem flag a question as off topic -> belongs on another site -> and you can pick from a list of a few that are setup (SO, etc)
if you do that on AU, you can only pick "other->mod attention"
or something like that
 
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Q: What is migration and how does it work?

Yaakov EllisI posted a question which was closed as off-topic and it seems like it could fit on another site in the network. How can I go about moving it there? What is migration and how does the process work? Who can migrate questions? When should I consider migration? What can cause migrations...

^ this just that users themself can do it
without mod intervention
I've seen more failed/rejected migrations done by mods than done by users
 
I don't have stats since I dont browse AU, but I imagine a fair bit of their off-topic closings are purely because it isn'
isn't ubuntu
 
@Braiam I see. If a migration path is defined, then users can do the migration. Otherwise mod intervention is required? Ok.
 
and all of those kind of closings (if quality questions) are on-topic here
 
yeah
 
7:42 PM
but only a mod can move them as it stands
 
8:03 PM
"Any user with 3,000 reputation can vote to migrate a question to another site via a list of up to five sites, which are most relevant to that site." I assume that this list is hardcoded somewhere? Is the issue about adding a site to this list?
@Braiam That is presumably because a mod is only one person. Therefore more likely to make a mistake.
 
@FaheemMitha yea, the list is hardcoded. Our list (for example) is just Meta U&L and SO
AU's list is just Meta AU
 
@casey That's a small list. Where is it documented? So, they don't want AU to be added to the unix.sx list and vice versa?
 
the only way I know is to flag a post to open the menus (not to actually flag it). If you pick "close for another reason" -> "Off-topic" -> "belongs on another SE site" you'll get the options
 
@casey I see. I'm amazed AU is not on the unix.sx list, and vice versa of course. Hard to imagine two sites more closely connected.
 
you would think, but a few of the mods over there are quite against it
thats why Braiam is making some much noise over there
s/some/so
 
9:04 PM
@casey Ok, I see.
 
slm
9:16 PM
@FaheemMitha Michael has said this before.
 
@slm We don't want AU to be in U&L's migration list because Ubuntu questions are on-topic on U&L. But having U&L in AU's migration list would make sense, I don't know why it isn't done.
 
I could understand if they don't want our stuff, but I don't understand their unwillingness to let us have their (on-topic for us) stuff. Perhaps they don't like being reminded that their whole site is on-topic for us as in any on-topic question for them could be migrated here.
 
slm
@Gilles - agreed, I was just mentioning that Michael had stated what sites were in our migration path. I've questioned SU before, but as you've said AU doesn't make any sense as an output for us, but does as an input.
@casey - it's on topic for us but am glad it's a sep. site
it acts as a filter for this site
 
@slm I agree, they can have the ubuntu mess as far as I'm concerned
 
slm
I've thought having SU would be nice, but in meta there are Q&A's about this and Michael explains how things are. I believe he mentioned that the other site has to also agree to receive things from different SE sites.
 
9:28 PM
How can I grep something from stdin?
without using pipes
 
@PhilKurtis grep PATTERN -
will read from stdin
 
thanks
 
many command line tools will read stdin if you specify a - . Check the man pages :)
 
ah, I see.my actual problem is writing a program to redirect fd[1] (from a pipe) to stdin and then greping stdin
 
@Anthon if you're going to edit a question to remove the 'thank you', fix the rest of the problems too... (I hope you're still editing unix.stackexchange.com/questions/118504/… ? )
 
9:43 PM
@derobert I normally do but with this question I am not sure if I can make sense of the rest and not change the meaning of what the OP failed to express clearly
 
@slm I assume Michael is @MichaelMrozek? I've not been following this.
 
slm
correct
 
@slm Ok, thanks.
 
@Anthon Sure... but it has trivial errors. Like a run-on sentence and failing to capitalize Ubuntu.
@Anthon BTW, you beat me to answering that backup question. I still posted my answer (turns out we were thinking similar things...) and upvoted yours. Hope you don't mind.
 
10:01 PM
@derobert My answer was a bit tongue in cheek, because if someone ask "arte the premade tools" my fingers itch to just write "Yes" and leave it a that. And I am used to have my answers be overwhelmed the ones by slm so that does hurt (so much) any more ;-)
 
@Anthon Hah, yeah, I think OP wanted us to write his backup script for him. And we both said no.
 
@ with the Ubuntu question I was not even sure if 'preseeding' did not mean 'preceding' I had no idea what the OP was talking about, and it just came into my visor while doing a FP review.
 
And I referenced OP to somewhere north of two thousand pages of documentation (in my backup answer).
 
slm
@Anthon @derobert - I almost voted to close that one, too broad.
 
@derobert :-O
@slm yeah could be.
 
10:06 PM
I'm really tempted to be annoying and add a comment to that svn backup question telling Marko to use hg or git instead.
But I probably shouldn't.
Needless to say, a backup for either of these is just push.
 
A backup of svn is pretty simple too... as long as there isn't a commit in progress, it's just tar...
 
@derobert How well does it handle transactions in progress?
I think a push is pretty much guaranteed to succeed whatever else is going on.
 
@FaheemMitha you can make the tar, you just can't restore the backup..
 
@Anthon Hmm, did you mean can't in the second phrase?
 
@FaheemMitha yes, that is what you get if you try to be up with the grown ups, but should be in bed.
 
10:09 PM
@FaheemMitha SVN has two repository formats. I believe the old BDB format could leave you in trouble in that case (unless you take an atomic snapshot, like with lvm) or copy files in the right order. I think FSFS is more forgiving.
@FaheemMitha of course, you could say that svnadmin hotcopy is like git push...
hotcopy will handle a repository in the middle of a commit fine.
 
@derobert yes, i used to use fsfs. I think it is much better than bdb. which probably nobody uses any more.
@derobert i don't think i've ever used that. is that mentioned in the answers?
 
@FaheemMitha Outside of legacy repositories, yeah. I think it may even be removed from the latest SVN, or will be from the next.
 
@derobert the old format was as bad as the Visual SourceSafe: multiple hours offline during a database rebuild
 
must have appeared after I stopped using svn. In early 2006 I switched to mercurial
 
@FaheemMitha I mentioned it.
 
10:11 PM
@derobert Ok
 
@Anthon Yeah, it had some problems. I still have a BDB repository around. Mainly haven't migrated to fsfs because I plan to migrate it to git instead.
 
@derobert yes, that's a very through reply. :-)
 
I wonder if we have 'backups' on our topics list for the blog. I should check.
 
That backup question does seem a little unnecessary. He could easily have discoved most of that for himself.
Is there a blog now? Or is it in the planning stage?
 
@FaheemMitha We're waiting on the SE design team to finish it up, I think @strugee is mostly done with its first post
 
10:15 PM
@derobert Ok.
 
8K down, 2K to go. I am of to bed. 'Night to you all
 
@Anthon Congrats.
 
@Anthon Congrats, but its going to take more than 2k to catch Gilles...
 
@derobert I think he just wants to hit 10K. I don't think he is insane enough to try to catch Gilles.
Maybe you could do it if you were a team of Unix professionals with nothing else to do...
 
Still would be hard with the 200/day cap.
Well, I guess you'd need a lot of accepted answers. And maybe it'd help if Gilles offered a bunch of bounties.
 
10:23 PM
@derobert It is probably doable. slm got to where he is pretty fast.
 
slm probably is a team of Unix experts. They may all be clones of himself, but... still a team.
 
@derobert That's definitely possible. Plus, he didn't get there all that fast, looking at his rep scores.
@slm btw, your web site is currently throwing errors.
most of slm's rep was gained in 2013. He's an inspiration to fanatics everywhere.
 
10:40 PM
@derobert True. I guess I didn't have the "big" picture.
 
11:14 PM
@derobert The "select an area by dragging across the lower chart" doesn't work for me.
 
@FaheemMitha Works here... in both FF and Chromium.
 
o/
 

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