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rick

03:58

@FaheemMitha @slm Okay.

setevoy

08:20

morning, guys

Faheem Mitha

08:38

@setevoy good morning

slm

09:15

Debian users. I attempted to A this Q, if you get a chance please review my A. I'm not a Debian user but wanted to try and get this Q updated, and also gain some experience in using Debian in the process. Please be kind 8-)

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A: How to install Adobe Acrobat Reader in Debian?

To install Adobe Reader on Wheezy or higher you can use the following steps. Step #1 - Download Adobe maintains all the official versions of Adobe Reader on their FTP site so you can simply go there and download the latest version, packaged as a .deb file. The primary URL for all versions of ...

sterz

13:00

hey guys,

i seem to not find /usr/share/X11/XKeysymDB on my debian jessie

any idea where it might be/or equivalent?

(trying to map my multimedia keys)

slm

Try the command locate XKeysymDB

sterz

nothing

i guess it's called smth else on jessie

slm

Here's where it's reported to be in wheezy

packages.debian.org/…

/usr/share/common-lisp/source/cmucl-hemlock/XKeysymDB

sterz

i guess i will have to install that package from unstable

that package=cmucl-source

Braiam

/usr/share/common-lisp/source/cmucl-hemlock/XKeysymDB	cmucl-source [s390]
/usr/share/xemacs-21.4.22/etc/XKeysymDB	xemacs21-support [not s390]

the xemacs21 is the one you need for jessie

setevoy

13:56

er... guys... can I set cron task like "0 0 0 1 2021" ? e.g. need start it in 2021 year :)

slm

14:11

@setevoy - no there is no year column in cron

see man 5 crontab.

search for year, it's not in there

setevoy

> Year No 1970–2099 * / , - This field is not supported in standard/default implementations. // but not in CentOS cron :-( you are right...

do you know how to set cron in future? like 2021... or better create Q?

slm

To run things in the future by a year you can tell at to run it either based on something like now + #days till 2021 or at MMDD[CC]YY

setevoy

not this time... can't use AT - it's inside application files

only cron... ok, will google else...

casey

Add a cron job that executes every 1 Jan to email you "If it is the year 2021, add the job you asked U&L about in 2014"

setevoy

hm... good idea :)

casey

14:16

Or you could use cron to call a script that checks the year before calling the real script

slm

casey's idea was the other one

you can use the @yearly timespec in cron

setevoy

thanks to all ))

sterz

14:43

@Braiam thanks but these numbers dont coincide with the ones i need that i took from xev

i'm trying to follow this tutorial: wiki.debian.org/Keyboard/MultimediaKeys

:'(

i will try to find another tutorial

Braiam

you might want to update your answer @slm unix.stackexchange.com/q/110256/41104

Faheem Mitha

15:15

@slm Looks good to me (and upvoted). You certainly took a lot of trouble over that, but personally i would try to steer people away from acrobat reader.

slm

@FaheemMitha - as would I but there are 2 use cases that you can't. Certain pdf docs have to use it if they're signed. And ppl have issues w/ printing from anything but acroread.

Braiam

@slm I think you asked for the wrong info:

➜ ~ sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda

Disk /dev/sda: 200.0 GB, 200049647616 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24321 cylinders, total 390721968 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x1549f232

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sda1 * 63 223629311 111814624+ 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
/dev/sda2 225724416 300576149 37425867 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT

you should have asked for sdb not sdb1, the output of fdisk is quite a mess

slm

@Braiam - no the output he gave us looked right to me.

It had the partition types in it, 4f is some weird partition for QNX linux.

Braiam

mm... in my NTFS drive if I use fdisk it appears the same output than OP, so it should be NTFS

slm

this is his issue

openqnx.com/phpbbforum/viewtopic.php?t=5375

Braiam

15:20

@slm you are looking inside an NTFS partition, not at the MBR partition table (apparently the NTFS has some partition scheme QNX like)

if you use sudo fdisk -l /dev/someNTFSpartition it will yield the same result as OP

@slm check op's last edit ;)

slm

WTF

Braiam

NTFS is composed of QNX4 and SpeedStor like filesystems... apparently

slm

15:33

@Braiam - what a waste of time that was

bad Q's

+ the OP should've known what the hell disk it was he was mounting, I really hate those types of Q's

Now it's trainwreck of A's

Braiam

I waited until I had definitive proof that it was an NTFS (I had the answer written before hand and only submitted it when op shown the info)

@slm ubuntu :P

slm

@Braiam - yippie skippie 8-)

Braiam

@terdon comes and saves the day :D

oh god... is in the hottest Q list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Faheem Mitha

15:51

@slm Agreed. I don't run into these issues myself, but some people might.

slm

@Braiam Who was the person that asked him to run blkid? Did they tell him to run it as sudo blkid? That issue would've been resolved w/ that 1 change 30 mins. earlier.

Braiam

in Ask Ubuntu General Room, 44 mins ago, by Avinash Raj

@Braiam i don't know why blkid command doesn't show anything.

slm

@Braiam mine too

Someone's not going easy 8-)

unix.stackexchange.com/users?tab=Reputation&filter=week

Faheem Mitha

16:39

@slm Ok, I'll give your instructions a whirl and report back here.

re the debian acroread answer

slm

i'm doing them now too

Faheem Mitha

17:33

debian-multimedia.org now occupied by some strange Russian squatter. Motorbikes, yet.

slm

17:54

yes it's deb-multimedia.org now

but even that didn't work when I tried, there is a link to a thread in the debian mailing list that shows Christian (the guy that operates deb-multimedia) and the rest of core and they're having it out.

Faheem Mitha

@slm I finished the installation. I now get

/opt/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread: error while loading shared libraries: libxml2.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

Checking this...

slm

you didn't install ia32-libs ia-32-libs-gtk. You need the 32-bit ver. of that package.

hence the 2nd install

i didn't know how to explicitly install 32bit packages in deb

so i had to lean on apt-get install -f

Faheem Mitha

@slm No, the correct thing to do is

apt-get install libxml2:i386

Also, the --force-arch flag is not needed, as I said earlier. Do you want me to add a comment to your answer?

slm

ah thanks that's what I didn't know how to do in deb

yes I'm going through it again now too and realized that I'm editing the A as we speak w/ the changes

Faheem Mitha

@slm These packages are obsolete, I think.

Now there is a complete parallel system for every supported arch.

Braiam

18:00

@slm err... multiarch

@FaheemMitha use gdebi instead

slm

yes multiarch

huh?

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam gdebi for what?

ah, the dpkg -i thing

Braiam

sudo apt-get install gdebi-core

slm

member I'm RH not Deb/Ubu

Faheem Mitha

yes, i can never remember that

slm

18:00

what is this?

Faheem Mitha

@slm automatically resolves dependencies if possible

so you don't need to do dpkg -i and then apt-get -f install.

Braiam

while installing a package manually

Faheem Mitha

i suggest you test that, and if it works, then put it in your answer.

though this really should be part of apt-get.

i think there is a wishlist bug somewhere.

slm

I'll write up both methods

Braiam

Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.4)

slm

18:02

yeah apt-get ia32-lib ... get's that one if I change the ordering around, I didn't have that issue this 2nd time.

Braiam

sudo gdebi AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i386linux_enu.deb

slm

dpkg -i AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i386linux_enu.deb
Selecting previously unselected package adobereader-enu.
(Reading database ... 143877 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking adobereader-enu (from AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i386linux_enu.deb) ...
Setting up adobereader-enu (9.5.5) ...
Processing triggers for man-db ...

Faheem Mitha

This one is pretty old. bugs.debian.org/47379

Probably someone should push this one.

slm

My amended steps work without any errors

seems relatively straightforward now.

crap i forgot to make a restore point in virtualbox before doing this

Faheem Mitha

@slm You don't need step 2.

slm

18:07

3rd times a charm,

Faheem Mitha

sudo apt-get install ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk

slm

pretty sure i do

what installs them?

the apt-get install -f

Faheem Mitha

@slm See above. you should have apt-get install libxml2:i386

@slm No, that bit is fine, if you are using dpkg -i.

The problem is that adobe did not specify a required dependency. it is a packaging bug.

So, to summarize 1) dpkg -i + apt-get -f install (or use gdebi instead as @Braiam suggests). I do recommend mentioning gdebi.

2) apt-get install libxml2:i386

4 isn't really optional, if you use dpkg -i. I would merge 3 and 4 into a 3a and then have a 3b for gdebi.

since dpkg -i + apt-get -f install are really two parts of one command, but are used like that of apt's missing feature.

Braiam

@FaheemMitha adobe doesn't need libxml2...

Faheem Mitha

Then 4 would be just invocation of the command. I think your 4 and 5 are basically the same thing.

@Braiam I think it does.

Braiam

18:13

dpkg-deb --info AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i386linux_enu.deb
 new debian package, version 2.0.
 size 60085406 bytes: control archive=2935 bytes.
     439 bytes,    10 lines      control
      22 bytes,     1 lines      copyright
    7722 bytes,   183 lines   *  postinst             #!/bin/sh
    5586 bytes,   183 lines   *  prerm                #!/bin/sh
 Package: adobereader-enu
 Version: 9.5.5
 Section: publishing
 Priority: extra
 Architecture: i386
 Source: adobereader-enu
 Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.4)

Faheem Mitha

I got the message:

Braiam

only libgtk2.0

Faheem Mitha

/opt/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread: error while loading shared libraries: libxml2.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

Braiam

arg!

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam They forgot the dependency.

Braiam

18:13

(can't believe this retards)

Faheem Mitha

apt-file search libxml2.so.2 points to libxml2

@slm I suggest adding that error message and the apt-file command.

or shall i just edit it myself? might be easier.

slm

18:41

@FaheemMitha Edit it please, I'm actually at work and am only 1/2 following.

Faheem Mitha

@slm Ok, will do.

slm

thanks

Faheem Mitha

19:07

@slm Ok, I think I'm done. More work than I expected, I would prefer a 2a and 2b, but markdown or whatever doesn't seem to be able to cope.

@Braiam Comments?

slm

@FaheemMitha - you realize the method I used before didn't get the libxml2.so.2 error message. Why is this better?

Faheem Mitha

@slm I think you will installing the transitional libs, is that right?

slm

yeah the ia32-libs

what are those?

ia32-libs-gtk

Faheem Mitha

Those things are obsolete, since multiarch appeared, and in any case, there was no motivation giv for the installs.

@slm before multiarch that was how one installed 32 bit libraries on 64 bit. you don't need to do that any more.

as of wheezy.

slm

k

Faheem Mitha

19:09

you notice all my steps are motivated by the situation.

no extraneous installs.

slm

yup

Faheem Mitha

@slm If you want you can check it works.

@Braiam ditto.

slm

@FaheemMitha I will, I'm rebuilding my VM now.

Faheem Mitha

@terdon you use debian, right? what do you think?

odd to be spending so much effort telling people how to install a proprietary package.

terdon

@FaheemMitha about? I just logged in

Faheem Mitha

19:12

@terdon @slrn's answer -> unix.stackexchange.com/a/110207/4671

I just edited it.

slm

@FaheemMitha - watch the edits now, it's up to 7, I don't like my posts getting converted to community wiki A's. I like to keep ~3 in reserve for future edits that might need to occur.

@MichaelMrozek - can you disable community wiki conversions on any post if we ask or is it not something that is requestable? You did it one before for me but I wasn't sure if there was any kind of policy about it.

terdon

@FaheemMitha and @slm, I install it directly from LMDE's repositories.

That should work perfectly well for Debian as well

slm

@terdon - write that up as an A too then.

Michael Mrozek

@slm It almost never comes up, but I suppose so. You shouldn't really need to edit your posts 10 times, generally

terdon

@slm trying to figure out how I can get the .deb without necessarily adding the repo.

slm

19:21

I didn't

Braiam

mm... how was that I found the libraries needed by a binary?

slm

@MichaelMrozek - Yeah I know, I was just wondering. I generally don't.

terdon

@slm I think it only gets to be CW if the author edits 10 times, not anyone

Braiam

is if 5 users apart OP edits

Michael Mrozek

Yeah, it's 5 different users, or 10 edits by the original author

slm

19:22

10 or 3 ppl edit

5

@MichaelMrozek - Ok so the 10 counts as just me

i thought it was a combination of all 5 ppl

Braiam

ldd /usr/bin/acroread
	not a dynamic executable

:(

file /opt/Adobe/Reader9/bin/acroread
/opt/Adobe/Reader9/bin/acroread: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable

D:

slm

ldd is the right tool

or nm

doesn't work against shell scripts 8-)

there's your NTFS/QNX for the day 8-)

Braiam

oh god... I can't find the executable to do an ldd and verify the dependencies D:

there it goes pastebin.com/ranEJKG2

depends of libpango... mm... couple things more

@FaheemMitha you might want to check this out and add all the correct dependencies D:

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam ldd /opt/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread

dpkg -L adobereader-enu and check the paths with bin in them

Braiam

3 mins ago, by Braiam

there it goes http://pastebin.com/ranEJKG2

there's a bunch of libraries that acroread has depends

Faheem Mitha

19:33

@Braiam Why? If Adobe can't be bothered to do it correctly, why should I care? If they really needed, then it will crash.

@Braiam Yes, I see a bunch of things that don't resolve. Odd.

In any case, apt-file has not heard of libBIB.so, for example. So not much I can do about it.

Or two others i tried. wonder how Adobe built these binaries.

Proprietary software is weird.

casey

That it is. You either get binaries that depend on a very specific environment / distro setup or you get something like steam that just bundles all its dependancies with it rather then even trying to use system libraries

Faheem Mitha

@casey Agreed to all of the above. Though I rarely, rarely, use proprietary software. Usually, I run away screaming. And I could practically hear the reproachful voice of Richard Stallman (he has a very distinctive voice) in my head all the time I was editing that post. :-)

Someone should edit the Steven D post, but it isn't going to be me.

terdon

19:50

Guys, why are you all working on this >3 year old question? What's the point?

Faheem Mitha

@terdon To help Adobe get more Linux users? :-)

Braiam

20:08

@terdon bounty, answers are too old and needs update :P

terdon

I'm just thinking it's not worth the effort.

slm

@terdon - I wrote it up b/c there was a bounty on it and saw the original A was wrong + wanted to setup a VM of Debian to work on these types of Q's on the site.

If you google around there were a fair amount of ppl that didn't know how to install reader. It's needed for certain docs (secure PDFs) and printing issues with evince and others.

terdon

Ah, for some reason the bounty was not shown. I refreshed and can now see it

slm

I saw that no one had even attempted to A the guys bounty and was trying to help him out.

+ I now have a VM of Debian so watch your backs 8-)

terdon

OK then, posted my LMDE answer

@slm damn, there goes our last edge

:)

slm

20:12

pfff

Braiam

D:

Faheem Mitha

@terdon This 100% compatible with Debian thing. What is the statement exactly?

terdon

@FaheemMitha LMDE is Debian

what do you mean?

Faheem Mitha

@terdon What version of debian?

terdon

testing

the point is that LMDE and Debian can mix repos while LMDE/Debian and Ubuntu cannot

see linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php

Faheem Mitha

20:23

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Mint#Linux_Mint_Debian_Edition suggests that this tries to stay synced with testing. which might not work for stable.

terdon

@FaheemMitha that's irrelevant, it's how the new releases are rolled out. It should not affect an individual package installed from the repo

Faheem Mitha

@terdon it could be an issue. stable and testing are binary incompatible much of the time. though i don't know if this is an issue in practice with proprietary software.

terdon

@FaheemMitha why would you be mixing stable and testing? Who said anything about stable?

All my answer says is that you can get a deb from LMDE's repo.

Faheem Mitha

@terdon Fair enough.

@terdon The original answer referenced squeeze, which was stable at the time.

slm

I don't really understand the issue, nor really want to at this point, I just focused the A on wheezy which as I understand it is the current debian stable, right?

terdon

20:30

@slm I think your answer is the best since it is not dependent on the details: just get a deb from adobe's website. The other options (including mine) will be simpler if all goes well but can degenerate into dependency hell if you mix and match repositories.

Faheem Mitha

@slm Right.

slm

that's pretty much the same issue w/ RH, thanks I understand it now.

I usually get the reader rpm and install it myself on fedora too

adobe used to have a yum repo but i think they got rid of it

so i would just put the .repo file on a box and yum install adobereader

Faheem Mitha

Christian's stuff is usually ok for simple things. Some of his multimedia stuff is incompatible with Debian, so that has caused problems in the past.

And made him unpopular in some circles.

slm

I know this is a old Q and seems worthless b/c of the proprietary nature but I appreciate everyone's help in cleaning it up

this issue was poorly documented all over the internet so now we have the best details which is good for our site.

even though it's a low traffic type of Q&A I'm sure there will be ppl that will appreciate that we did this, even the Debian wiki had crappy directions

Faheem Mitha

evince is a pretty good viewer these days. what do people use for viewing pdfs, mostly?

slm

20:36

@FaheemMitha - you can delete your command about the force-arch. now

evince,xpdf,kpdf

i use whatever looks the best for some docs

Faheem Mitha

@slm done.

@slm Ok. Used to use xpdf, now use evince mostly

like the auto-update feature, which xpdf does not have.

good for LaTeXing.

slm

blogs.adobe.com/asset/2013/06/…

Faheem Mitha

Mike Bayer moved to github too. Arrgh.

Ok, probably nobody here cares.

is evince 3.10 substantially better than 3.4 in any way?

casey

20:53

@FaheemMitha I use Okular, which also has auto-update. great for when I'm working on a paper in latex or generating eps figures

Faheem Mitha

@casey how does it compare to evince?

casey

I think I slightly prefer okular, but I'm not sure I know why. If I went back to a gnome DE I'd probably switch back

but only because I'd nuke my KDE deps if I did that

I dont really make use of any advanced features of either, so I can't compare much except they both worked for reading and auto-updating

Faheem Mitha

@casey Ok. I've used okular, but somehow i prefer evince. Not sure why either.

@casey I thought everyone did pdf figures now. For LaTeX at least.

casey

I don't mind pdf figures, but by default I do eps. I'm set in my ways I guess

Faheem Mitha

@casey Ok. ps usage in TeX seems to be dropping. Once it was the standard.

Good night, everyone. Take care.

casey

21:04

It is still preferred in the journals I submit to, and I like it :) I hate word....

night

Faheem Mitha

@casey I meant, postscript usage in TeX is dropping. :-) Not that TeX usage is dropping. I have no idea if the latter is true, and would be difficult to establish anyway.

casey

21:22

ah

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