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05:59
@terdon but bugging someone to update to this half-decade's version is not
@strugee o/
@Achu s/o\\/\\o\//? (I realize that would have been a more effective communication if I hadn't had to escape everything)
06:40
@slm ping. did you ever write that question on tag wiki cleanups? or are we just doing that without a meta quesiton?
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Writing it up now
should be posting it in another 10-15 min.
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Q: Re-tagging Activity - 2013

slmGiven our community has been growing, and we seem to have a fairly active base, several of us thought now might be a good time to do some house cleaning on the site. Given cleaning is a never ending task, we thought we'd set the bar low, to start, and take up a re-tagging effort on some of our ...

 
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09:26
Hi all
@slm are you around here
10:03
@derobert @setevoy @StéphaneGimenez Hello
I want to open the specific port in linux..
I'm failed..
 
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11:51
@strugee agreed. I just get pissed at people who want to update their system for no other reason than updating, then they run into bugs or incompatibilities and then they complain. Just give it a while to settle down, let the version mature, then update!
 
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13:27
@Gilles There is a stable version of Firefox. mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations
@Gilles Of course, both need constant security updates... but... well, it's too late to save us from the web security nightmare.
@Williams Instead of pinging everyone on chat, ask a question on the site.
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Q: Can you let this Set-UID program (owned by root) run?

user217586The system(const char *cmd) library function can be used to execute a command within a program. The way system(cmd) works is to invoke the /bin/sh program, and then let the shell program to execute cmd. Because of the shell program invoked, calling system() within a Set-UID program is extremely ...

... seriously?
sheesh...
@derobert is that true by the way, does system(cmd) call sh? Surely that will depend on the way your system is set up right?
DESCRIPTION
       system()  executes a command specified in command by calling /bin/sh -c
       command, and returns after the command has been completed.  During exe‐
       cution  of the command, SIGCHLD will be blocked, and SIGINT and SIGQUIT
       will be ignored.
RTFM :), thanks.
13:42
Hah, there are 5 upvotes on my comment, but only 4 close votes. Nice to know the under-3k crowd agrees Unix.SE isn't to do your homework for you.
Yeah, need one more vote to close. Then I get to cast my first delete vote on U&L.
@terdon Until you hit 20k, you'll have to wait a few days first, I believe.
Ah, yes, 2 days. Bugger.
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@Williams - yes please post your question. The chatroom isn't meant to work problems, we can use it that way but you're better off to ask questions on the main site. Looking for specific users is hit or miss.
14:01
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Q: How can I change my username?

ramMy current username is mpatil, how can I change that to algo without losing data or causing problems?

... am I the only person who thinks that's a dup?
which is going to need merging soon :-(
@derobert that question is only comprehensible cause I completely rewrote it, have a look at the edit history.
Looking for a dupe now
@terdon Indeed, I know you rewrote it
check the comments, my duplicate comment should be there
Just saw, cool
and done. Damn but we're efficient :)
Hah, yeah, we've got some power-lurkers here!
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A: Re-tagging Activity - 2013

derobertSuggestion for shell: Let's limit this one to things only about the shell itself. Probably for Bourne-inspired shells, or maybe even only POSIX shell. Description (at least the long description) would also mention the shell-specific tags (bash, zsh, ksh, …) Configuring shell variables (PS1, et...

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@derobert I voted to close as dup
 
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16:27
@terdon /me grins sheepishly from his Arch box
16:45
Weird:
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Q: Ubuntu doesn't find hdds with higher clock rates

user136243I dual boot windows 7 64-bit and ubuntu 13.10 64-bit on separate disks, and utilize some overclocking from the BIOS. Windows works fine, however ubuntu can't seem to find any hard drives, except for at stock cpu speeds. While attempting to boot it says "Gave up waiting for root device..." and "AL...

@terdon indeed
Probably Linux is using tighter timing than Windows. And when overclocked, its too tight.
??
Do you have an account there?
On AskUbuntu? Yes...
I used to go on Ask Ubuntu all the time. it was my first Stack Exchange account
I was really proud when my U&L reputation passed my AU reputation
16:55
Too chaotic for me usually, I get enough of that on SU.
I have a lot of SE accounts. I started with Stack Overflow.
And apparently you cook too!
I spent the whole day on this . So, Please share your thought. I get the following error message when i try to creat xen image:

Volume group "vg0" has insufficient free space (87040 extents): 217600 required.

But i have free space

Free PE / Size 89600 / 350.00 GiB

any idea?
@Achu what are you talking about? Have you posted a question? Is this in a VM? What host system? What guest OS? What command gives you that error? What is mounted where? What does df say?
No i haven't. I'm talking about xen virtualization. and xen-create-image gives me that error message. I'm on debian wheezy with xen 4.1
Its all about LVM
17:03
@derobert I like how you've managed to lose a bunch of your base 100 rep on Biology
@strugee I think that was from offering a bounty
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Q: What's the name of the fibrous strands that hold the seeds in a pumpkin?

derobertIf you cut open a pumpkin, the seeds are suspended inside the pumpkin by some fibrous, slimey strands. You can see them in the middle of this sliced-open pumpkin: I'm writing a post for the Cooking.SE blog, and am trying to find out the proper botanical term. Someone suggested that might be ca...

yep, a bounty
@derobert yeah i looked at your rep tab
and realized I was wrong
17:23
@derobert you have a question on biology?
must have missed that one
Ah! yes, I remember that, didn't know it was you.
I suck at plant physiology though so I can't help. Hated those classes.
17:49
am I the only one that finds it crazy how conflicted our answers to the automounting question is?
s/is/are
@strugee Probably no one sane wants to touch that question...
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@strugee - yeah I stopped participating on that Q, I have no idea why he offered the bounty on it
yeah me either
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I answered it a while back, I'm not sure what else can be added it to it. Sometimes the answer to Q's is that it just works that way and you have to just deal with it
i took his bounty to mean that he didn't like the way that it worked
hah
probably
17:57
Answering that question would first require actually explaining what a lot of parts of the system are, because OP is confused.
Like thinking that KWin is a display server.
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goldilocks basically was telling him the same things, the OP didn't want to hear it, which is usually my cue to move on 8-)
@strugee - I also don't like how he took that Q, bolted that crap on top of it and slapped a bounty on it. He should've started from scratch.
cuz now we have 4-5 answers that are answering different questions, and it's a pile
Good Q's should have 1-2 answers at most, any more is usually telling us something, and it's not good.
Yeah. Unfortunately, there is no close reason "question is not answerable as long as OP remains the OP"
@derobert there is the "custom OT" :P
close -> OT -> "OP is beyond help" :-D
actually I think that the doesn't believe us.., since he's looking for an "authoritative answer"
18:05
Its also likely that this behavior has changed over time even for the same DE.
yeah...
> The answer seems to be in the HAL
HAL??? really?
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@strugee - This Q really does seem to be spiraling out of control.
How is the PolicyKit saying anything different than Goldilocks or my answers?
If I run my DM as root (bad idea I know) I won't need polkit... actually what have poolkit to do with mounting FS apart of checking if the user has permissions or not to mount filesystems
@Braiam X always runs as root
@Braiam guess he means udev
@slm I don't know, there is a lot of useful info there. Well done @all.
18:18
Wow, I just hit refresh now I see the bounty. Wonder why it didn't show before
And OP's insistence that it's still a window manager...
Lunch time, that's the secret solution to that question.
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The major problem is that lack of proper use of the terminology, so it's confusing to everyone, since one person is saying DE and another WM and they might be talking about the same thing, or not, who knows....
My answer I tried to keep the DE out of the discussion, b/c the correct answer is, "it depends". The link to this A seemed to have everything he needed for the original Q: unix.stackexchange.com/questions/8159/…
then it went off the rails with the bounty
not sure what to do to help at this point
I've been trying to upvote comments and such to bring attention the more relevant parts but I don't think it's working
the OP will likely walk away frustrated, not sure how to help him more
@derobert actually KWin is a display server when it's running in a Wayland-centric environment instead of an X11-centric one
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mixing in details about windowing environments would help him, but not that Q
I'm open to suggestions
@derobert he probably meant DE instead of DM
@strugee Possibly. But then they're aren't like 20 of them
(and only 20 window managers... ha ha ha, very funny)
18:26
@derobert only 20... as I stated (and was ignored) in the comments... :P
and IIRC the window manager essentially becomes the DE
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@strugee - would adding these links help or hurt that Q?
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Window_Manager
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Desktop_Environment
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Display_Manager
18:52
hehe, couldn't resist, I added my own answer. Much less detailed but I think that simplification (assuming I made no huge errors, don't understand it all that well) is what the OP was after.
@terdon where is dbus?
@Braiam absolutely no idea. I think that is handled by gvfs.
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dbus receives notifications
and sends them
it's what tells you that the usb mounted device can be removed, for eg.
@slm but has nothing to do with actually mounting it right?
@terdon it actually has to do with so many things (mounting included)
I remember it is a kind of API or interface between various devices and the kernel but don't know much about it.
If you think it should be added to my answer, feel free to edit.
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@terdon I believe so
Thanks for the edit by the way, deamon, must be dyslexic...
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19:18
Though the description from the udisk page makes me think it might, "...a daemon, udisksd, that implements well-defined D-Bus interfaces that can be used to query and manipulate storage devices...."
gvfs, udev, udisk, and dbus are the pieces
i'm wondering if the desktop is interacting with udisk via dbus
i tried to strace nautilus but once it came up it exited, I think that too spins a thread of nautilus so it's trickier to trace
i would imagine you should be able to see a running nautilus making calls to either dbus when you unmount a usb dev.
i think dbus has a tool to watch the bus too, so you could see it there
is something like udev detect the new hardware, tells dbus, gvfs and udisk hears dbus then ask polkit if the current user has mount privileges if yes then look if the device is configured to automount as soon is plugged or it should wait for user input... and so on...
(oversimplified, but should be something similar)
19:36
@slm dbus is a layer on top of UNIX sockets
basically it's a message protocol that goes over sockets. it's just an IPC mechanism
it adds a little bit of abstraction to raw socket APIs
@slm and I think those links would help if OP would actually look at them. I referred him to the Wikipedia page on DEs but apparently he didn't read it, since he kept talking about window managers
and the tool you want is dbus-monitor, I think`
 
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hi all, got some homework reimplementing a c program (just a filter with some arbitrary cases) as a (csh) shell script
with an emphasis on using the simple unix utilities through a pipeline
I'm stumped on converting control characters to the vim-style display equivalents: 007 -> ^G
I thought of using tr with something like tr '\000-\0037' '\141-\xxx'
but I couldn't figure out how to include ^ before the printable code
and since tr does only one-to-one transformations, it doesn't seem too appropriate for this part
any input?

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