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9:14 AM
Wow, I have access to a mere 6 review queues in U&L alone, I am to "Got It" every time ?
 
 
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4:10 PM
why did this question pop up in First Post review ? unix.stackexchange.com/questions/645005/…
because of comment ?
 
because it's the first post that user has made
 
my apologies, I glance too quickly, read "Apr 14" as "Apr 2014", I guess I'll have this problem for next 10 years :(
 
 
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7:45 PM
COVID ruined /dev/chat
 
Known bad patches submitted to linux kernel, entire university banned and all patches reverted. I just heard about this and I was pointed to lore.kernel.org/linux-nfs/YH%2FfM%2FTsbmcZzwnX@kroah.com and I haven't looked for a better (digested) source yet.
> You, and your group, have publicly admitted to sending known-buggy
patches to see how the kernel community would react to them, and
published a paper based on that work.

Now you submit a new series of obviously-incorrect patches again, so
what am I supposed to think of such a thing?
 
8:09 PM
You get your mower ready for the season yet @JeffSchaller?
 
9:01 PM
@jesse_b yep, finally caved and cut the grass once -- and so it begins!
 
What, no snow?
 
snowblower's still ready to go, too, just in case! :)
 
@JeffSchaller I had to buy a new battery for my mower. I got a flyer from napa saying they have batteries for $24.99 with trade in and when I got there the guy explained how that was false advertising and I ended up paying $50 for one :/
 
Battery in a mower? Wow, you guys really do live in 2021.
 
I have a coworker whose mower runs entirely off the battery. Mine just gets the ball rolling, so to speak.
 
9:03 PM
I got my blades all sharpened and tuned up my mower though. Had my lawn aerated and put some fertilizer down. Ready to lawn dominate my neighbors
 
We can put a man on the moon and a helicopter on Mars, but I'm still looking for a weed whacker that actually works.
 
yeah electric motors aren't good enough to get my business yet. It's kind of interesting too since electric motors have more torque than an equivalent gas engine and for small things like chainsaws and weed wackers a 60v battery pack can theoretically provide enough power to generate more horsepower than a comparable gas engine and yet there are no electric chainsaws that can come even close to as good as the worst gas chainsaw
 
Are corded mowers not a thing? Or just inadequate for neighbour domination?
I've seen a Bosch roomba mower at a hardware store once. Seemed cutely useless.
 
@AndrasDeak corded mowers exist but a 15amp household outlet is only capable of providing enough power to generate around 2.4 horsepower (and that is if you are truly pushing it to it's absolute limits) which is not enough to compete with most small engines
 
Hmmm... is this a 110 V thing?
Yeah, sounds like it.
we have double the power for the same current
 
9:09 PM
@JeffSchaller I've got one of these cryobies and it's really holding up well
@AndrasDeak Our outlets are actually 120v but it's about the wattage not the voltage
 
Right, sorry (regarding 120). But since power is U*I you get twice the power at the same current if you have twice the voltage.
that being said my anecdata regarding mowers is that gas ones are more powerful, even at 240 V
 
From what I'm reading european outlets supply 220 (240) volts at 2.5 amps so that is only 550 watts where a 110 (120) volt outlet at 15 amps is 1650 watts
 
I don't think there's a generic current rating for outlets. Most households have 16 A breakers, but individual sockets are often also rated for that. I just checked an extension cord lying next to me, it says 16 A max (and it has 3 sockets)
might be country-dependent
 
yeah I definitely have no prior knowledge of it, just a quick google search
 
Let me chack random corded mowers... OK, first it is a cordless electric one, hmm.
 
9:15 PM
cordless tools actually generally can get more peak power than a standard outlet (in the US at least)
 
Wow, cordless mowers are hot. I had no idea.
 
the 60v batteries are capable of delivering more peak power
 
OK, they seem to be in the 1000 W - 1500 W range. Corded ones I mean.
Gas engine types more in the 2000+ W range
(and I know, it's not just about power either)
 
US sockets have much less power output than elsewhere
 
also more heater fires :(
 
9:19 PM
@MichaelHomer a quick google search tells me that NZ outlets are typically 2400 watts which is actually the same as a 20 amp US circuit
 
I was very surprised when I found out that electric kettles just don't exist there, because they wouldn't boil
 
they actually do exist and do work
They just aren't common because we don't really drink tea
 
I don't think they're generally used for tea
 
well I can't think of many other reasons to boil water
My bosses boss at my last company was british and we bought an electric kettle for the office before he came to visit because he was always saying how americans don't have them
he used it once while he was there and it was never used again
 
Taking away a Brit's reason to complain of Americans? How culturally insensitive.
 
9:31 PM
furthermore I have a traditional stovetop tea kettle and it boils water fast enough for the girls I go out with. The argument that electric tea kettles are so much faster kind of reminds me of the Brian Regan joke about microwaving pop tarts.
https://youtu.be/l8kThoZpF_U
 
It would take a lot longer, he can still complain about that
 
@jesse_b I think the argument is that they boil water more efficiently.
sorry for the pings, can't type todat today
 
debatable if you have a gas stove
 
indeed
We used to have a ceramic stove and we'd absolutely pre-boil water in an electric kettle. Then we switched to induction plate and <3
I'd probably still debate with a gas stove, come to think of it.
 
I found a "bodum bistro electric water kettle" on a list of best european electric kettles and it is only 700 watts so you could run two of them simultaneously on a 15 amp US outlet. So I reject the fact that they "work faster outside the US"
I guess it depends on your definition of "efficiently" but gas is much easier to supply and therefore cheaper than electricity
 
9:36 PM
@jesse_b Something something two mothers delivering a baby in 4.5 months
 
I just mean wattage is the absolute measure of power used not volts so while you guys "have more volts bro" you aren't actually doing more work unless you have more watts
so they wouldn't be faster
 
I was not aware of the strength of feeling aroused by this subject
 
@jesse_b probably, yes. I never lived around gas so I've no idea about the finances. I specifically meant efficiency.
anyway Bodum bistro is a good brand, I can recommend it :P
 
I want to find an electric kettle that runs on 3 phase 480V power
 
My regular cheap kettle in the kitchen is 2200W, but I imagine a much smaller one could have correspondingly much less power draw?
I'm sure the tea people have strong opinions on what is best there
 
9:42 PM
yeah you probably wouldn't find a 2200W kettle in the US although we do have microwaves with peak outputs higher than that
 
At that power you just shoot it with a gun
 
there are rules about how much power objects can use based on the duration they are typically used for which is why certain things often trip breakers like hair dryers and microwaves
space heaters cannot be more than 1500 watts even though the outlet can handle more than that because they are typically on for hours at a time and using that many watts for long periods will eventually heat up the wires more than they should be
 
@jesse_b is that also true for reusable breakers? I can imagine fuses to give some leeway, but most breakers we have do cut off whenever the current is reached (maybe even sooner if there's a strong peak? I'm not sure.)
 
most breakers are actually triggered by heat and not an actual measure of amperage
 
ah, interesting
 
9:46 PM
so you can draw 25-30 amps on a 15 amp breaker for a short period of time
I know because I've run my space heater and table saw on the same circuit in my shop lol
 
I thought of that a bit earlier in the discussion
 
I have a 50 amp 240v outlet in my garage, maybe I should slap a nema 6-50 plug on an electric kettle and send it
boiling water in milliseconds
My insurance company probably wouldn't cover the damages after the fire inspector finds the frankenpot in the wreckage though
 
it was there when you bought the house
 

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