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Jeff Schaller
Jeff Schaller
3:09 AM
@StackExchangeforAll Tim, I'll say it one more time: this is not the place to complain about other sites' moderators.
 
 
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Biswapriyo
Biswapriyo
1:33 PM
Anyone familiar with "The Linux kernel"? I have this issue github.com/rust-lang/cargo/issues/7451. which leads to this bug report bugs.launchpad.net/qemu/+bug/1805913. which say the issue in host kernel (in my case it's Linux).
 
 
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Kartheek
Kartheek
2:41 PM
Is it possible to turn the projector on(in my case NQM 4k UV light engine) in linux distribution(Raspberry pi 4) with the help of USB? (Don't wanna use GPIO though)
hello everyone
 
 
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terdon
terdon
3:49 PM
Anyone who was affected, helped, taught, inspired or anything else by Shog and who would like to give something back can go here: gofundme.com/f/thanking-josh-heyer-for-shaping-stack-overflow
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Jeff Schaller
Jeff Schaller
4:30 PM
@Jesse_b nice rebus for "T in ed"! :)
What's the standards body that's written "out of order" in English because it's based on French words?
Where's Stephen Kitt when you need him?
 
Stephen Kitt
Stephen Kitt
@JeffSchaller the telco body, wait a sec
 
Jeff Schaller
Jeff Schaller
@StephenKitt Stephen Kitt is inside a telco?
CIPM (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…) is true, but not what I was thinking of
 
Stephen Kitt
Stephen Kitt
 
Jeff Schaller
Jeff Schaller
that's not the one I'm thinking of. I think it has 4 letters, but I'm clearly not firing on all cylinders yet.
 
Stephen Kitt
Stephen Kitt
ah, SI?
International System of Units
The International System of Units (SI, abbreviated from the French Système international (d'unités)) is the modern form of the metric system and is the most widely used system of measurement, based on the International System of Quantities. It comprises a coherent system of units of measurement built on seven base units, which are the second, metre, kilogram, ampere, kelvin, mole, candela, and a set of twenty prefixes to the unit names and unit symbols that may be used when specifying multiples and fractions of the units. The system also specifies names for 22 derived units, such as lumen and watt...
 
Jeff Schaller
Jeff Schaller
4:35 PM
that could be it
 
Stephen Kitt
Stephen Kitt
OK not 4 letters
 
Jeff Schaller
Jeff Schaller
my brain keeps generating FIDE which is completely wrong; visiting chess.SE too much
 
Jeff Schaller
Jeff Schaller
4:47 PM
Ahhh, pretty sure it was FIFA -- "French for International Federation of Association Football"
That would have taken serious mind-reading powers. Anyway, that was all connected to the eTd thing.
@terdon thank you for sharing this! Nice to see Monica (and others) among the list of supporters.
 
terdon
terdon
@JeffSchaller you play?
And you're welcome.
 
Jeff Schaller
Jeff Schaller
@terdon I'm aware of the rules, and enjoy the game, but -- I'm very much an amateur. I've never bothered to learn more than one opening (and that one's only ... 3 moves?), but I enjoy the complexity and guiding principles. I'm mainly interested as an indirect relationship with computer-based game playing.
 
terdon
terdon
Fair enough. I've been playing a lot these past two years, but not seriously, so I don't have much to show for it. Very much an amateur as well. I have ~1200 for blitz on chess.com. I would guess my real strength for classical to be around 1400? I know I can beat a friend who's at 1600 every now and then.
 
Jeff Schaller
Jeff Schaller
My grandpa taught me many years ago -- I still have the chessboard he gave me -- but with 3 kids in the house, there's not enough quiet time :)
 
Stephen Kitt
Stephen Kitt
@JeffSchaller play against your kids!
My son now beats me sometimes, it’s an odd feeling the first time it happens — not that I’m good at chess.
 
Jeff Schaller
Jeff Schaller
5:00 PM
@StephenKitt I would love to! I taught two of them the moves & most of the rules. My wife will never let me forget the one time she beat me :)
 
Stephen Kitt
Stephen Kitt
@JeffSchaller ha ha yes I can imagine!
in our family I get reminded of implausible words that people found when playing Boggle against me
 
Jeff Schaller
Jeff Schaller
Boggle! I love that game. Thanks for the reminder!
 
Stephen Kitt
Stephen Kitt
there’s an online implementation, WordWiggle
 
Jeff Schaller
Jeff Schaller
starring, but not clicking :)
 
Stephen Kitt
Stephen Kitt
ha ha
Stephen Kitt, top time waster (others’ time)
 
Jeff Schaller
Jeff Schaller
5:09 PM
I remember the regex one!
 
Stephen Kitt
Stephen Kitt
exactly
 
terdon
terdon
6:08 PM
heh, I was sent to a chess school for afternoon classes as a very young child. Presumably in some misguided, optimistic attempt by my parent to make me into a genius. Sadly, I was kicked out for bad behavior (I remember I was teaching a friend fake rules so I could win, and I was probably disruptive as well) so it only lasted a couple of months.
Didn't discover chess again until after I finished university.
 
derobert
derobert
@terdon BTW, a bit back I mentioned I need to find a new job... and I think you said your might have something? I've finally started looking for real, how should I go about sending you a résumé?
@Jesse_b same to you, what's the best way to send you/Joyent a résumé?
 
Jesse_b
Jesse_b
@derobert For which position?
 
derobert
derobert
@Jesse_b not exactly sure, would like some guidance on that, since I'm sure you're much more familiar with what the positions are...
 
Jesse_b
Jesse_b
Well I think last time we spoke about it you were considering the compute platform software engineer position
 
derobert
derobert
yeah, there was a sysadmin position you mentioned as well, though, I think?
 
Jesse_b
Jesse_b
6:16 PM
I just interviewed for that position >.>
Although there is an SRE role which is more devops
 
derobert
derobert
Yeah, though it does seem you all don't use Perl, which is the language I've mostly worked in recently.
 
Jesse_b
Jesse_b
Anyway there are instructions for applying via jobs@joyent.com in each job description: joyent.com/about/careers . If you submit for the SRE role I know that manager pretty well and can let him know in chat, but either way I can submit a referral to HR if you apply to any of the jobs
 
derobert
derobert
@Jesse_b OK, I'll apply for the SRE role. Will let you know once I've got the email out.
 
Jesse_b
Jesse_b
@derobert Cool, good luck
 
terdon
terdon
6:32 PM
@derobert oooh! Can I check the email on your profile and send you an email?
 
derobert
derobert
@terdon yes, that'll work
 
terdon
terdon
Great, will do. Although I can't promise anything right now, we're expecting some funding to come in soon (as in any day now) and will be focusing on expanding in the US.
 
derobert
derobert
@terdon got your email (and replied)
 
terdon
terdon
great!
Oh! Duh! And I thought I'd double check your name and didn't, like an idiot! I knew it wasn't Robert too! Brainfart, sorry!
 
derobert
derobert
No problem, I had no clue of your name
 
Jesse_b
Jesse_b
6:45 PM
Terdon's name is Eugene?
 
terdon
terdon
@Jesse_b ???????????
 
derobert
derobert
@Jesse_b I can neither confirm nor deny that, that'd be his prerogative to share :-)
 
Jesse_b
Jesse_b
@terdon Just guessing :p
 
terdon
terdon
Was that a random guess? 'Cause Eugene is actually my middle name. I never, ever use it and hate it, but I do carry it.
 
Jesse_b
Jesse_b
@terdon it was entirely random :p
 
terdon
terdon
6:47 PM
Damn!
You really freaked me out there for a second :)
 
derobert
derobert
It's OK, his profile says he doesn't work for the CIA.
... which probably means NSA instead.
 
Jesse_b
Jesse_b
I'm probably on some of their lists but not their list of employees
 
derobert
derobert
@Jesse_b email sent to jobs@
 
Jesse_b
Jesse_b
@derobert Awesome. Do you mind sending me your name and resume as well at jesse.butryn@ so I can submit the referral form. I don't think I actually needed the resume last time but the form says to include it even though it also says that you should submit through jobs@ :/
I already spoke with that manager though fwiw
 
derobert
derobert
@Jesse_b Ok, just sent it.
 
Jesse_b
Jesse_b
6:59 PM
thanks
 
derobert
derobert
BTW, if anyone else here wants a copy of my résumé, please feel free to email me: anthony@derobert.net
 
Jesse_b
Jesse_b
7:21 PM
@derobert: Just so you know that SRE role is mainly focused on our manta storage platform. Which IMO is a super cool product that is the main service we provide at the moment. The SRE team is mostly (I believe) focused on managing that service and developing tooling to better monitor and manage it for the purposes of reliability
Well nvm I'm being told that role is actually for CERES which is the hypervisor product. Still pretty cool
 
derobert
derobert
Both sound cool enough. Honestly, it's pretty cool to be working on something with so much open source code.
 
Jesse_b
Jesse_b
Yeah all the engineers here are strong believers in open source, the company was founded mostly by former sun employees didn't like the direction oracle was taking the product
(solaris)
 
derobert
derobert
Hah, yeah, I don't think anyone but Oracle liked the direction they took Sun :-/
 
Jesse_b
Jesse_b
It's nice though even with my primitive understanding of code I can often track down the exact part of source code that errors come from because it's all out there and searchable
 
 
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Jesse_b
Jesse_b
10:54 PM
@Kusalananda: I'm sure it's just an issue with my crappy version of awk but your code isn't working either :(
I wish steeldriver hadn't deleted his answer though because it works in gawk and mawk
actually it's not awk it's the command itself
If i save the command output to a file the awk commands work but if I pipe they don't
Duh, when I just redirect the command to a file all the error messages are at the top
but they don't print in that order on the command line
 
Kusalananda
Kusalananda
11:31 PM
@Jesse_b Ah, you're dealing with both an error stream and an output stream.
I thought all the text came from the standard output stream.
So, you would need yourcommand 2>&1 | awk ...
 
Jesse_b
Jesse_b
@Kusalananda I am doing that but for some reason it reorders the output when I do 
$ p get_disk_info |& awk '{print}'
failed to lookup speed
failed to get drive stats

failed to lookup speed
failed to get drive stats

failed to lookup prod-id
failed to lookup speed
failed to get drive stats
And then it prints the rest
 
Kusalananda
Kusalananda
Yes, it may well do because standard error is by default unbuffered, while standard output may well be buffered.
... which means that the output stream may be delayed in relation to the error stream.
... which is what you see.
 
Jesse_b
Jesse_b
well that output stream is a real jerk
 
Kusalananda
Kusalananda
Can you poke inside that p command?
Make the output unbuffered, or line-buffered?
 
Jesse_b
Jesse_b
p is an alias for pfexec which on our systems does access control like sudo
 
Kusalananda
Kusalananda
11:36 PM
Do you have something like an unbuffer utility you can run pfexec with? I think Linux has something like that.
 
Jesse_b
Jesse_b
but I don't know how to do all that, I'm not even sure what language the command is in but it's a binary
lame solaris does have unbuffer but for some reason it seems to have been removed from smartos
or maybe it was added to solaris after the fork
 
Kusalananda
Kusalananda
It's SmartOS you're running?
 
Jesse_b
Jesse_b
yes
Which is a variant of illumos, forked from opensolaris 11(?)
 
Kusalananda
Kusalananda
What about stdbuf?
 
Jesse_b
Jesse_b
hah, he is one of the engineers here but that command also doesn't seem to exist :(
oh yeah it's part of coreutils which we don't install
I love how all his solutions require gnu tools :(
 
Kusalananda
Kusalananda
11:44 PM
Part of the issue is pfexec not providing helpful diagnostics. If there was just a tiny fraction of something that identified what failed, you could easily pair that up with the correct drive data.
 
Jesse_b
Jesse_b
I don't think pfexec is the problem, if I log in as root and run the get_disk_info command without it there is the same problem
I think I didn't explain it well before but pfexec is basically just sudo and get_disk_info is the actual command but regardless I think you are spot on and I'm not sure how to fix it :p
 
Kusalananda
Kusalananda
Ah. Ok. I didn't recognise what pfexec was. Ok.
 

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