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5:16 AM
@JeffSchaller The issue is that it starts from the premise that the answer should stay, and then provides rationalisations to pluck from; it doesn't address the actual question, which is about the answers that someone might actually think should be deleted
None of those six points addresses any of those. An answer that doesn't address the question just falls off the bottom; an attempt by someone who hasn't the slightest idea what they're doing does as well
Perhaps you're saying those should be left there, but they're the core point of the question and they're entirely unaddressed unless they're also 1) self-answers or 2) code-only answers
 
5:30 AM
The interesting cases are the obviously bad answers, the incoherent answers, and the non-answers, and I suppose also (separately) the wrong and dangerous answers. They are all purportedly meant to stay where they are
 
 
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10:29 AM
There are currently two reopen votes on this question. Did I miss something? unix.stackexchange.com/questions/530796/…
 
 
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12:58 PM
@MichaelHomer good clarification, thank you. I'll try to make that clearer.
 
1:08 PM
Good morning chat. How did the tree felling go @JeffSchaller?
 
@Jesse_b it fell! :)
 
@JeffSchaller ah so you’re leaving the roots in place?
 
even fell the right way (both cuts) :)
 
@JeffSchaller Nice, good to hear
That stump looks far enough away from everything that you could burn it out if it's allowed in your area
 
@StephenKitt we'll see. I'm hoping to get it level enough for grass, but I'm a little low on TNT so I'm considering other options
 
1:13 PM
@JeffSchaller My main remark: your answer is a really good FAQ about the LQPQ on U&L and, as an answer to that question, it won't get the visibility it deserves (possibly in terms of votes, too).
 
@JeffSchaller I’m not an expert (I’ve only felled two trees), but the way I go about it is to leave around a metre of stump, and then dig down and saw the main roots; then the metre of stump gives me enough leverage to pull core out
 
@JeffSchaller An easy way to do it (if you have a few years to spare) is to drill a bunch of 3/4" - 1" holes in the top of the stump, fill the holes with roundup and cover them with caulking
 
@Jesse_b or quicklime :-)
 
That will kill the stump quickly (about a year). Once the stump is dead you can then reopen them holes and fill them with some liquid stump remover product that will then take another 6 months - a year. That will accelerate the rotting process of the wood so you can eventually just break it apart with your hands
 
(phone call, one sec)
 
1:16 PM
@Jesse_b it’s also very helpful with some crawlers whose roots are resilient enough to restart the plant
 
@StephenKitt Yeah I have a bunch of box elder trees in my back yard and they will grow through anything I think. There is a stump left from one of them I cut down a year ago and it still sprouts up monthly
I think like 90% of their seeds will germinate too because I have to very diligently seek out and destroy saplings pretty much every other week so I don't get rogue trees growing all over my yard
 
1:55 PM
Yes, I vacillate between being lazy (digging up stumps is hard) and impatient (I want a level lawn there), so these are all good ideas. If I can get some of the dirt away, a stump grinder is another option. I probably didn't leave enough length on the stump to get much leverage, but ... that won't stop me from trying :) I think I'll go out there now, actually.
 
 
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3:03 PM
Some days this is the Gardening Room.
 
 
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4:37 PM
@FaheemMitha I don't think felling trees really counts as gardening
 
4:49 PM
Is there any benefit to have the NFS service enabled and on in NFS clients? All the client technically needs is to send RPCs to the NFS server, so it shouldn't need the NFS service up.
 
@Ungeheuer There is no benefit of running NFS server deamons on an NFS client.
 
Tim
5:06 PM
@FaheemMitha A room for those who can afford a garden and don't worry about basic necessities
 
@Tim hah, is there anything that doesn't offend you?
 
Tim
feeling teh bern
 
It's easy to support communism when you don't pay taxes
 
Tim
Why did you say I don't pay taxes?
 
@Kusalananda Didn't think there would be. Was hoping there might be some magical side-effects that increase performance
 
5:09 PM
@Ungeheuer Not to my knowledge.
 
@Tim Because you support communism (and you are always complaining about not having your basic needs met)
 
As a libertarian...
 
As a librarian...
 
Tim
If what Bernie stands for is called "communism", I support it
 
@Kusalananda lmfao
 
Tim
5:11 PM
Any way CO isn't really a swing state. so it doesn't matter who you support
 
I support magic mushrooms
 
@Tim Correction: The US government, two party system, and presidential election system is completely corrupted/obfuscated so it doesn't matter who anyone supports
 
@Jesse_b I'd call it gardening. It's certainly not logging.
 
@Jesse_b "Look at us! We're so free! We get to choose from two parties instead of one. Yay."
 
Note: using the word "communism" is not helpful. That word has been so abused it no longer has any meaning.
 
5:14 PM
Also anyone who thinks they should/could be the president should never be allowed to be the president
 
Tim
@FaheemMitha Most recently by Lindsay Graham
 
By lots of people. All the time.
 
@FaheemMitha It absolutely has a meaning, just because it is overused by some does not mean I'm misusing it. Some people are very socialist but that does not describe Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders is full blown communist
 
@Jesse_b No, it doesn't. Maybe it did once, but no longer.
 
@FaheemMitha Well thankfully you are not the czar of words and yes, it in fact does still have a meaning
 
5:15 PM
In the United States it's basically a term of insult.
 
This is spicy
 
It might as well be one of those four letter words so beloved by Hollywood scriptwriters.
 
@FaheemMitha Yeah. It also seems to have a very different meaning in the US than in the rest of the world. As far as I can tell, in the US it means something like "slightly to the left of center".
 
@FaheemMitha I'm unfamiliar with this. What four letter words do they love? Are you referring to obscenities?
 
That's the impression I get by seeing how it is used, anyway.
@Jesse_b Um....
You're saying he supports a centralized government which owns all land and production? I would really like to see a source for that.
 
5:18 PM
@Ungeheuer Yes. Common (but old) four letter words referring to sexual intercourse and excrement, among others. Other words that are so overused that much of the time it's also not clear what people mean by it.
Note to Hollywood Scriptwriters. There are many words in the English language. Try using some others.
 
@FaheemMitha Ah. South Park did a really funny episode on how gay slurs don't mean anything more as a general commentary on how language changes as it is used more and more.
 
@FaheemMitha Since when does hollywood love using obscene language? It's actually a pretty widespread "problem" right now that hollywood seems to be afraid to release rated R movies and are instead making everything PG-13 (which means no or at least very limited cursing)
 
I hope everyone is having a good day (morning, afternoon, or evening).
It's more TeX time for me.
@Jesse_b It seems widespread to me.
 
@FaheemMitha I would wager that less than 10% of what hollywood produces is rated r
 
I think Professor Knuth invented TeX to distract people from getting actual work done. So far it seems to be working.
 
5:23 PM
> a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.
leading to But I guess that argument could be made
Sanders is certainly riding the wave of an existing class war and definitely stoking that fire, and he's also very clearly calling for redistribution of wealth. Redistribution of wealth is where the separation of socialism and communism happens in my book
 
@Jesse_b Redistribution of wealth through higher taxes for the rich is hardly a communist idea.
It's just funny to non-Americans because Sanders is essentially a classic, normal, moderate left winger outside the US. Or at least in Europe.
 
@terdon I'm sorry to hear that because there is nothing moderate about him
 
@Jesse_b You really should look into what actually extreme left-wing politics looks like. T'aint Sanders, I'll tell you that. I only wish it were.
Looks like in other places, I mean.
 
@terdon Extreme politics always look appealing at first, that's how those people get into power
 
Yep. What's fascinating to me is that what is considered centre-right in the US, the Republican party, for instance, is verging on outright far right in Europe.
So all such political discussions that try to cross the Atlantic are plagued by confusion over terms.
 
5:34 PM
@terdon I think the two party system is ludicrous because whatever you know of the republican party is almost certainly incorrect. The "republican party" is not unified on almost anything
 
The Democrats would be very right of center in any country in Europe.
 
same with democrats. There is no unified party, just shades of left and right
 
@Jesse_b No, it ain't. That's very true.
Oh yes. A plague on both their houses, as far as I'm concerned.
But the two-party system is endemic in pretty much all mature democracies. And most immature ones.
 
Honestly I think the republican party is so much closer to center than the democrats are but not necessarily as a good thing
 
I think it's just a natural by-product of having i) parties and ii) popular votes. So the larger the party, the more votes it can get which leads to all of them solidifying into two parties in the middle.
 
5:36 PM
The republicans are more likely to change their views based on popular opinion (in my opinion anyway) The democrats are more set in their ways
 
@Jesse_b Dunno. They seem crazy right wing to me, but then so do the Democrats when it comes to most things.
 
Things like gay marriage for example: I feel like the republicans as a whole came around in support of gay marriage before democrats even did
 
I wish there were a party in either country I can vote in that I would actually want to vote for. Sadly, neither the US nor Greece affords me that pleasure.
 
It's not that they actually support something or even care, but as soon as they find out 51% of americans want something, they support it
 
@Jesse_b Say what now? They did? As a whole?
@Jesse_b Then why're they still against universal healthcare?
 
5:38 PM
@terdon I think that one is still split pretty evenly, if not more people against it
 
Not as far as I can tell.
 
I think americans as a whole are mostly libertarian in that they don't want the government telling them what they can or can't do, and don't want any taxes
 
And when did the republicans as a whole start supporting gay marriage? Fundamentalist christians form a significant part of their base and numbers, I really really doubt they do support it. Some do, sure, but as a whole?
 
@terdon Polls said Hillary was a sure fire win for president up until the night before the election
I wasn't polled so I don't believe it's accurate
 
@Jesse_b And yet they do support a powerful military. Strange that.
 
5:40 PM
Can't have a government unless you can defend it
 
Riight.
Argh. Sorry
That was needlessly polemic.
This is a subject dear to me. And one I find very hard to understand the American position on.
 
The republican party started (mostly) supporting gay marriage in 2012
 
@Jesse_b Really? Including the current vice president?
 
Like you said, and like I said even earlier...there is no such thing as a unified party
Hillary was against gay marriage until 2013
 
Um. Ok. But she's not a republican.
That seems to suggest they don't support it. As in the official party line isn't "we support it".
Which isn't to say some (or even many) republicans don't support it. Just what seems to be the party line, if I read that correctly.
Wow. They really are listening. I get "Access forbidden" when I try to visit gop.com!
Does that work for you @Jesse_b?
 
5:46 PM
I'm pretty sure the overwhelming majority of them support it. It's definitely never even a topic of debate anymore. Also that site seems to exist simply to aggregate a list of why the republican party is bad so I'm not surprised it isn't positive
 
@Jesse_b Hmm, fair. I thought that was an official site of the party. Doesn't look too bad at first glance though.
Does gop.com work for you?
 
@terdon My point was that all republican presidential candidates were in support of gay marriage (or at least not against it), and Hillary was still against it for another year
@terdon It does
 
@Jesse_b really? That's weird.
 
@terdon Maybe they put up a firewall to keep foreigners out? :p
 
@Jesse_b OK, but why is Hilary relevant when we're discussing republicans? She isn't one. Nor is she even relevant anymore.
@Jesse_b Oy! I'm a citizen!
I'm even registered to vote and everything!
:)
 
5:50 PM
@terdon I was discussing how I think the republicans are more likely to change their views in order to get votes than the democrats are
 
See? Proof! :P
@Jesse_b Are they? I get the feeling both parties pander to public opinion more than I'd like. But you may well be right.
 
I can't find anything on the GOP website about their support for gay marriage but I can find them trashing obama for not supporting gay marriage which would indicate they do
 
Link? If only to see if sub-urls work.
 
@terdon They both certainly do but lately anyway it seems like the democrats are trying to win by being as far left as they can where the republicans are trying to go more towards the center to pick up more of the votes in the middle
 
@Jesse_b Seems to me like both parties are doing exactly the same. Or, more accurately, the core of both parties is fighting for the middle, and the extreme fringes of the Dems are going for the left while the extreme fringes of the Reps are going for the right.
@Jesse_b No joy :(
 
5:56 PM
@terdon All of the 2020 democratic presidential candidates seem extreme-left to me (although to be fair I know the presidential candidates don't really represent the party or anywhere near the majority of the party)
 
Really? I guess that comes down to what one considers left again. But you would seriously call someone like Biden extreme left?
Although, to be fair, apart from Biden, Warren and Sanders, I've only glanced at the rest. I'm waiting for the field to be whittled down a little. There are dozens of the buggers running around at the moment.
 
@terdon Honestly haven't looked much into his promises although upon a quick google search it seems like he doesn't even really have any plan put together. I already wrote him off though because he very clearly sexually assaults women
 
@Jesse_b Woah, woah, there! Nobody's ever said he assaults women! He's handsy, but on their shoulders and the like. There's been no talk of assault or even the wonderfully vague sexual misconduct. Only reports of women stating they were uncomfortable and felt he invaded their personal space.
 
@terdon sounds like the definition of sexual assault to me
 
Hell, not even Breitbart goes that far.
@Jesse_b Seriously? And yet I remember you had no issue about another candidate boasting about "grabbing them by the pussy".
I'm not saying he's squeaky clean or anything, and I do hope Biden doesn't get the nomination, but there's a pretty large gap between "inappropriate touching" and "sexual assault". The latter covers things all the way up to rape, FFS!
 
6:03 PM
heh. Well let me start by saying I am by no means an accurate moral compass. However one was talking about it, another has literally hundreds of photos showing it. Also my feelings about them aside, I think those photographs have ruined any real chance he has at being elected
and I know if those photos exist, his enemies (the republican party) can definitely stir up accusation after accusation to hurt his chances even more
 
@Jesse_b Well, I just saw a video of Trump slapping a cheerleader's ass yesterday.
 
Trump seems to be teflon for any of that stuff but I kind of understand why
I trust the guy that slaps an ass and says "Yeah I did it...oh well" more than the guy that looks lovingly into a 12 year old girls neck and then says "There was nothing strange about that"
 
If that's the choice we have, we're screwed.
 
The thing is: I know they are all terrible people. I like when the terrible parts are all public knowledge rather than hidden in the shadows
 
True. Although I'd rather go for someone who isn't a terrible person, to be honest.
Sadly the political system in many countries, and in the US more than most, is set up to make it almost impossible for anyone decent to get through.
 
6:07 PM
@terdon I think that isn't an option because anyone willing to be president is a narcissist at the very least almost certainly much more
 
For one thing, winning the presidential race if you're not filthy rich already is almost impossible in the US.
@Jesse_b Agreed.
As the great Groucho said: "Please accept my resignation. I don't want to belong to any club that will accept people like me as a member".
 
6:20 PM
Anyway I don't really care much about politics...I just want to pay as little taxes as possible and be left alone
 
6:59 PM
Well this conversation is a fascinating insight into... something
 
@Jesse_b I don't really want to be involved in the discussion, but I'm happy to pay my taxes and have my education and hospital virtually free (which they are where I live). I shudder at the thought of caring for my gf in any other place where I would have to pay for an ambulance, or full price for the necessary medicines, or anything for all the extra equipment we have at home.
 
@Kusalananda I've never had to worry about it, I have insurance
 
I never had to get one.
 
also most people grossly misunderstand the medical system in the US. People with low income have always been able to get free medical care
it's called medicaid/medicare
 
The quality of care should not be proportional to the income, IMHO.
... or the quality of education for that matter.
 
7:09 PM
@MichaelHomer are you still around? I'd like to bounce a couple points off your response re: the LQP Meta question
 
@Kusalananda I both agree and disagree. I think they shouldn't receive poor quality care but I don't have a problem with it being slightly inconvenient/not have all frivolous benefits of paid insurance
But my family was on medicaid/medicare my whole childhood and I never had any issues with it
 
7:23 PM
@JeffSchaller Yes, I'm here
 
My answer wasn't clear enough, so I'm reworking it. I wanted to double-check the "An answer that doesn't address the question just falls off the bottom" portion, since I had just a very brief portion to address that (in item #5): "It just means that it’s understandable and attempts to address the question"
I should emphasize "attempts to address the question" more; spell out what I mean?
secondly, while I have you, the "incoherent answers, and the non-answers" should also be covered by the non-answer list in #1, and incoherent answers by "understandable"
 
I think the goal is to know when I should delete, but the focus is all on the other side of it: it's almost assuming that "Delete" is the default at this point, and explaining cases where you shouldn't
 
that's a good interpretation; I think the way I handle the queue is to look for (some specific) reasons to delete; failing that, it passes.
 
I guess, basically, I'd want to go down the list until I hit an actual instruction to vote one way or the other, and the hard cases are where it's difficult to decide that, so that's where the guidance is most helpful
 
as usual, I wrote too much, so I diluted my point. Thank you for helping me hone in!
 
7:36 PM
Interesting! That is not how I read the rest of the answer
Sometimes we get answers from users who are probably trying, but so incompetent that they don't know what they wrote is nonsense
Those look like answers, they attempt to address the question, they're not minor fixable errors, and they're of no use to anybody. Those are the sorts of cases that people want to delete, and I believe aren't supposed to
Or one like this:
 
they're of use to that one person, who might get a chance to learn. granted, that's not the pure Stack Exchange idea (that answers are for the Asker's benefit). Hmmm.
 
By the rules, I think I have to say it looks ok, even though it is in no way an answer to the question posed
Do they learn by leaving it there? The comments stay open, which might be a help, but it's unlikely otherwise
 
I would fall on the side of "it doesn't address the question" --> Delete; what rule would say it's OK?
 
It looks like an answer, it's understandable, and it attempts to address the question.
Tried and failed, but still tried
 
I see. So the rule should be closer to "does address the question", not "attempts to"
 
7:43 PM
I don't know. My understanding of the global rules is that "attempt" is what counts, for good or ill
 
well, I could mash on the home row keys in an attempt to answer the question, but I hope everyone would find that delete-worthy.
 
Even then, does it address the question? It's not that far off, and it might well cover what someone looking at that question actually wants
Probably!
But establishing where that line is is the key difficulty
 
yes; and just thinking out loud here, -- and this is just my current opinion -- I do want to have simple guidelines so that the queue is approachable by anyone. And we have various skill levels on the site, so I don't want to require deep awk knowledge, for example, to be able to judge whether an awk answer addresses the problem.
 
@JeffSchaller And back to this point - I've always gone in with the idea that they're meant to be left alone unless there's a reason to delete them, so exactly the opposite of what you're doing
 
My opinion, again, would be that the majority of the "hey, this answer just doesn't work, so we should delete it" activity would come from browsing the site
 
7:46 PM
Even though my natural inclination is to delete much more
That part is tricky, because without a queue nobody else will ever see it to delete
 
@MichaelHomer I'm having trouble squaring this. I thought I said (saying it backwards now) that I left answers alone unless they tripped a reason to delete (NAA, link-only, etc)
@MichaelHomer I disagree here; I think the queue brings some automatically-flagged posts (along with manually flagged posts) that should maybe be deleted. I think people answering (or even just reading) the site could comment on and vote to delete Answers
but maybe I'm hoping instead of thinking :)
 
So there can't be a knowledge requirement to process the queue, but delete-worthy answers won't ever actually be deleted because a single answer is unlikely to be seen by enough users with delete votes outside of a review queue
 
I see; in my opinion, maybe 5% of the LQP items seem to me like they were manually flagged.
 
@JeffSchaller Ok, I see. I thought you were saying my comment that point 5 was working from delete-by-default as a basis was how you approached it
Yes, most are new posts, so it is more likely that someone will see them than an old one
 
@MichaelHomer sorry for any miscommunication; my intention with point #5 is that it's the liberal default-allow
 
7:52 PM
I don't know if we have stats on how posts get deleted, but I doubt that many are outside queues and non-moderator
It takes a lot of votes from not many eligible users to delete an answer
 
yes; of the 10 most recent deleted items, 3 were closed questions and 7 were Answers deleted by a moderator
I suspect many of the moderator-deleted ones would have been deleted via the LQP queue -- if people visit it.
 
@JeffSchaller So I think that's what it's trying to do, but the way it presents is as if explaining the cases not to delete to someone who is going to delete by default
I'm not sure whether raw delete votes on answers put them into the queue, but otherwise it's pretty unlikely it will get to 3 (?), especially if delete votes age away (which I'm not sure about)
Deleteable questions go through the close-vote queue so a lot of people see them, but answers don't have any way to get seen by anybody who could do anything about them
 
@MichaelHomer would you be willing to cast such a vote on unix.stackexchange.com/a/530922/117549 ?
 
What would be good is something like an "expert review" queue for low-quality answers (read broadly) within tags you have a badge in
@JeffSchaller That seems like an actual answer
 
@MichaelHomer indeed, that's what I'm torn on, here. I don't want low-quality answers hanging around, but I'm OK with them sitting at zero-score, possibly with incriminating comments
@MichaelHomer it's a 'thank you' to the answer above it -- namely unix.stackexchange.com/a/527232/117549
(or the other answer, saying the same thing)
 
8:01 PM
Ah. Below to me
 
I just realized we may have different sorting
 
I don't have a deletion option for zero-score posts
 
flag?
 
I have flagged it
 
ok some arbitrary amount of caching will occur, then hopefully that post will land in the queue. I've been meaning to copy/paste the LQP responses so that I can use them outside the queue.
 
8:04 PM
The other issue, I guess, is that sometimes the right answer is "just downvote it", but people are too cheap to spend a point on that
And so they lean towards "delete" as the other satisfying option
 
@MichaelHomer you could recover the points if the post is then eventually deleted
 
Oh I just cast a lot of downvotes
 
I'm really having to hold a mirror up, since I seem to have been a frequent visitor to the LQP queue; it's hard distilling that down
 
But I do think that's in play in general. Deletion is free, downvotes cost a point, and since downvotes are the "right" answer for those you won't actually get the point back
 
@MichaelHomer ok, so let's play this out. You DV and cast a NAA flag, which (presumably!) puts it into the queue, and the queue handlers follow a reasonable policy of deleting NAA's.
That's outside the queue, obviously
 
8:08 PM
For clear NAAs that will happen anyway
If I downvote I can also delete directly, I think
Yes, "Voting to delete answers with score of -1 or lower" is a "Trusted user" privilege
 
Right, I think (memory-check!) it takes 3 such votes to delete
maybe it's 2, but I think those answers do tend to get removed
 
The middle-ground answers that aren't clearly supposed to be deleted, though, the right thing is meant to be to vote on them, and that's where the reluctance comes in
I think 3. But if it's an older question, nobody else will ever notice it
 
sure; or at least comment! That's free and gives the user a chance to self-delete or self-correct
 
I think I still have active delete votes on answers from months ago
Years even
 
@MichaelHomer really! I'm curious about them; I wouldn't ask if you remember from years ago, but: do you think you also flagged them?
 
8:13 PM
I don't know
Do delete votes age away? I have some in my vote history on non-deleted posts, but they don't show up with active votes
 
As you said, if they're not new posts, and they're not flagged, it's unlikely someone else will see them. Consider throwing some flags on them, if you're willing.
I'm trying to think if we'll have a problem on our hands if everyone followed the "delete only obvious stuff" policy from the queue.
 
This question is in my delete-votes history, but it still lets me vote to delete now
 
I'd want readers of the site to know that a zero-scored answer is ... "caveat emptor"
 
Flagging them into LQP doesn't help if LQP isn't meant to delete them
 
@MichaelHomer ahhh, it's got an accepted answer; I wonder if that prevents deletion; hmm
@MichaelHomer but you voted to delete it! ?!?
 
8:19 PM
Actually, no. It just lets me click the delete link and gives the popup
But the tooltip says I already voted... so just bad UX
 
it is deleteable! :)
a 3rd 20k user might have been able to do the same thing; I can't tease that out of the FAQ
 
This is a contentious case:
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Two Looks OK, two Recommend Deletion, one Delete
I really don't know what should have happened with it
 
@MichaelHomer That's an answer, but it's a bad one (too much rambling).
 
agreed; it has one possible workaround for a similar situation
 
Ok, so that's the kind of post that's in issue
 
8:25 PM
That's a typical post that I would downvote if I cared about the issue at hand.
 
via the LQP, I would struggle through reading it, then "OK" it -- it's on-topic and has something
 
@JeffSchaller You did!
 
@MichaelHomer I did?! Outstanding
 
:-)
You're consistent.
 
I may not be clear, but I'm -- yeah, consistent :)
 
8:29 PM
That's the kind of thing people are inclined to want to delete, for whatever reason, so if there's some tidy principled way to guide them to the right action that'd be useful
 
I think my ideal LQP reviewer knows something about UNIX; they've also gained 2k of rep on the site; so I would ask them to see if the answer does address the question. Myself, I don't see an easy way to guiding LQP reviewers towards deleting that. Imagine someone just over 2k rep.
 
Probably what I will actually do in future is just "Skip" because I can't be bothered wading through it
Delete, clearly irrelevant claptrap
 
I recently clicked "OK" on a code-bowling (code-only) answer. It pained me, but that's how I handle the queue, I guess
 
Delete, so I says to Mabel I says
 
I think I had to un-format some prose; if they had just done that initially, they wouldn't have risked the queue :)
@MichaelHomer well I've taken up quite a bit of your time, but I appreciate your thoughtful discussion around the point!
 
8:32 PM
I guess I think the inclination of that 2k user is already to delete it, and the persuasion is not to
 
@MichaelHomer I'm curious what, you think, might be guiding that user towards deleting it?
"too hard to find the useful information"?
 
Both because 1) it's a cool new power to use, and 2) it's a lot of work to figure out that there's anything relevant in there at all instead of misplaced extract from someone's diary
Also, factually, one of them did
 
fair enough; and the world won't stop spinning if some of these edge-case answers are deleted; I wouldn't fight to save that particular answer, I just wouldn't initiate the deletion myself.
I have to take off soon, but I will rewrite my answer to be shorter and/or clearer. Not that people have to do it my way! I just feel some responsibility to provide some guidance.
 
It won't, but they're the ones that make processing the queue difficult and where the gap between "supposed to" and "want to" seems the widest. I think the easy cases everyone is pretty clear on
 
@MichaelHomer yes; the meta question tripped my "Learning the Art of" ... desire to put out some guidance, plus there's these questions about what's delete-able. I have my opinion on the matter, so that's what I'll put out there!
thanks again! be back in a bit.
 
 
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