@JeffSchaller The issue is that it starts from the premise that the answer should stay, and then provides rationalisations to pluck from; it doesn't address the actual question, which is about the answers that someone might actually think should be deleted
None of those six points addresses any of those. An answer that doesn't address the question just falls off the bottom; an attempt by someone who hasn't the slightest idea what they're doing does as well
Perhaps you're saying those should be left there, but they're the core point of the question and they're entirely unaddressed unless they're also 1) self-answers or 2) code-only answers
The interesting cases are the obviously bad answers, the incoherent answers, and the non-answers, and I suppose also (separately) the wrong and dangerous answers. They are all purportedly meant to stay where they are
@JeffSchaller My main remark: your answer is a really good FAQ about the LQPQ on U&L and, as an answer to that question, it won't get the visibility it deserves (possibly in terms of votes, too).
@JeffSchaller I’m not an expert (I’ve only felled two trees), but the way I go about it is to leave around a metre of stump, and then dig down and saw the main roots; then the metre of stump gives me enough leverage to pull core out
@JeffSchaller An easy way to do it (if you have a few years to spare) is to drill a bunch of 3/4" - 1" holes in the top of the stump, fill the holes with roundup and cover them with caulking
That will kill the stump quickly (about a year). Once the stump is dead you can then reopen them holes and fill them with some liquid stump remover product that will then take another 6 months - a year. That will accelerate the rotting process of the wood so you can eventually just break it apart with your hands
@StephenKitt Yeah I have a bunch of box elder trees in my back yard and they will grow through anything I think. There is a stump left from one of them I cut down a year ago and it still sprouts up monthly
I think like 90% of their seeds will germinate too because I have to very diligently seek out and destroy saplings pretty much every other week so I don't get rogue trees growing all over my yard
Yes, I vacillate between being lazy (digging up stumps is hard) and impatient (I want a level lawn there), so these are all good ideas. If I can get some of the dirt away, a stump grinder is another option. I probably didn't leave enough length on the stump to get much leverage, but ... that won't stop me from trying :) I think I'll go out there now, actually.
Is there any benefit to have the NFS service enabled and on in NFS clients? All the client technically needs is to send RPCs to the NFS server, so it shouldn't need the NFS service up.
@Tim Correction: The US government, two party system, and presidential election system is completely corrupted/obfuscated so it doesn't matter who anyone supports
@FaheemMitha It absolutely has a meaning, just because it is overused by some does not mean I'm misusing it. Some people are very socialist but that does not describe Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders is full blown communist
@FaheemMitha Yeah. It also seems to have a very different meaning in the US than in the rest of the world. As far as I can tell, in the US it means something like "slightly to the left of center".
@Ungeheuer Yes. Common (but old) four letter words referring to sexual intercourse and excrement, among others. Other words that are so overused that much of the time it's also not clear what people mean by it.
Note to Hollywood Scriptwriters. There are many words in the English language. Try using some others.
@FaheemMitha Ah. South Park did a really funny episode on how gay slurs don't mean anything more as a general commentary on how language changes as it is used more and more.
@FaheemMitha Since when does hollywood love using obscene language? It's actually a pretty widespread "problem" right now that hollywood seems to be afraid to release rated R movies and are instead making everything PG-13 (which means no or at least very limited cursing)
> a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.
leading to But I guess that argument could be made
Sanders is certainly riding the wave of an existing class war and definitely stoking that fire, and he's also very clearly calling for redistribution of wealth. Redistribution of wealth is where the separation of socialism and communism happens in my book
Yep. What's fascinating to me is that what is considered centre-right in the US, the Republican party, for instance, is verging on outright far right in Europe.
So all such political discussions that try to cross the Atlantic are plagued by confusion over terms.
@terdon I think the two party system is ludicrous because whatever you know of the republican party is almost certainly incorrect. The "republican party" is not unified on almost anything
I think it's just a natural by-product of having i) parties and ii) popular votes. So the larger the party, the more votes it can get which leads to all of them solidifying into two parties in the middle.
I wish there were a party in either country I can vote in that I would actually want to vote for. Sadly, neither the US nor Greece affords me that pleasure.
I think americans as a whole are mostly libertarian in that they don't want the government telling them what they can or can't do, and don't want any taxes
And when did the republicans as a whole start supporting gay marriage? Fundamentalist christians form a significant part of their base and numbers, I really really doubt they do support it. Some do, sure, but as a whole?
I'm pretty sure the overwhelming majority of them support it. It's definitely never even a topic of debate anymore. Also that site seems to exist simply to aggregate a list of why the republican party is bad so I'm not surprised it isn't positive
@terdon My point was that all republican presidential candidates were in support of gay marriage (or at least not against it), and Hillary was still against it for another year
I can't find anything on the GOP website about their support for gay marriage but I can find them trashing obama for not supporting gay marriage which would indicate they do
@terdon They both certainly do but lately anyway it seems like the democrats are trying to win by being as far left as they can where the republicans are trying to go more towards the center to pick up more of the votes in the middle
@Jesse_b Seems to me like both parties are doing exactly the same. Or, more accurately, the core of both parties is fighting for the middle, and the extreme fringes of the Dems are going for the left while the extreme fringes of the Reps are going for the right.
@terdon All of the 2020 democratic presidential candidates seem extreme-left to me (although to be fair I know the presidential candidates don't really represent the party or anywhere near the majority of the party)
Really? I guess that comes down to what one considers left again. But you would seriously call someone like Biden extreme left?
Although, to be fair, apart from Biden, Warren and Sanders, I've only glanced at the rest. I'm waiting for the field to be whittled down a little. There are dozens of the buggers running around at the moment.
@terdon Honestly haven't looked much into his promises although upon a quick google search it seems like he doesn't even really have any plan put together. I already wrote him off though because he very clearly sexually assaults women
@Jesse_b Woah, woah, there! Nobody's ever said he assaults women! He's handsy, but on their shoulders and the like. There's been no talk of assault or even the wonderfully vague sexual misconduct. Only reports of women stating they were uncomfortable and felt he invaded their personal space.
@Jesse_b Seriously? And yet I remember you had no issue about another candidate boasting about "grabbing them by the pussy".
I'm not saying he's squeaky clean or anything, and I do hope Biden doesn't get the nomination, but there's a pretty large gap between "inappropriate touching" and "sexual assault". The latter covers things all the way up to rape, FFS!
heh. Well let me start by saying I am by no means an accurate moral compass. However one was talking about it, another has literally hundreds of photos showing it. Also my feelings about them aside, I think those photographs have ruined any real chance he has at being elected
and I know if those photos exist, his enemies (the republican party) can definitely stir up accusation after accusation to hurt his chances even more
Trump seems to be teflon for any of that stuff but I kind of understand why
I trust the guy that slaps an ass and says "Yeah I did it...oh well" more than the guy that looks lovingly into a 12 year old girls neck and then says "There was nothing strange about that"
@Jesse_b I don't really want to be involved in the discussion, but I'm happy to pay my taxes and have my education and hospital virtually free (which they are where I live). I shudder at the thought of caring for my gf in any other place where I would have to pay for an ambulance, or full price for the necessary medicines, or anything for all the extra equipment we have at home.
@Kusalananda I both agree and disagree. I think they shouldn't receive poor quality care but I don't have a problem with it being slightly inconvenient/not have all frivolous benefits of paid insurance
But my family was on medicaid/medicare my whole childhood and I never had any issues with it
My answer wasn't clear enough, so I'm reworking it. I wanted to double-check the "An answer that doesn't address the question just falls off the bottom" portion, since I had just a very brief portion to address that (in item #5): "It just means that it’s understandable and attempts to address the question"
I should emphasize "attempts to address the question" more; spell out what I mean?
secondly, while I have you, the "incoherent answers, and the non-answers" should also be covered by the non-answer list in #1, and incoherent answers by "understandable"
I think the goal is to know when I should delete, but the focus is all on the other side of it: it's almost assuming that "Delete" is the default at this point, and explaining cases where you shouldn't
I guess, basically, I'd want to go down the list until I hit an actual instruction to vote one way or the other, and the hard cases are where it's difficult to decide that, so that's where the guidance is most helpful
Interesting! That is not how I read the rest of the answer
Sometimes we get answers from users who are probably trying, but so incompetent that they don't know what they wrote is nonsense
Those look like answers, they attempt to address the question, they're not minor fixable errors, and they're of no use to anybody. Those are the sorts of cases that people want to delete, and I believe aren't supposed to
they're of use to that one person, who might get a chance to learn. granted, that's not the pure Stack Exchange idea (that answers are for the Asker's benefit). Hmmm.
yes; and just thinking out loud here, -- and this is just my current opinion -- I do want to have simple guidelines so that the queue is approachable by anyone. And we have various skill levels on the site, so I don't want to require deep awk knowledge, for example, to be able to judge whether an awk answer addresses the problem.
@JeffSchaller And back to this point - I've always gone in with the idea that they're meant to be left alone unless there's a reason to delete them, so exactly the opposite of what you're doing
My opinion, again, would be that the majority of the "hey, this answer just doesn't work, so we should delete it" activity would come from browsing the site
@MichaelHomer I'm having trouble squaring this. I thought I said (saying it backwards now) that I left answers alone unless they tripped a reason to delete (NAA, link-only, etc)
@MichaelHomer I disagree here; I think the queue brings some automatically-flagged posts (along with manually flagged posts) that should maybe be deleted. I think people answering (or even just reading) the site could comment on and vote to delete Answers
So there can't be a knowledge requirement to process the queue, but delete-worthy answers won't ever actually be deleted because a single answer is unlikely to be seen by enough users with delete votes outside of a review queue
@JeffSchaller So I think that's what it's trying to do, but the way it presents is as if explaining the cases not to delete to someone who is going to delete by default
I'm not sure whether raw delete votes on answers put them into the queue, but otherwise it's pretty unlikely it will get to 3 (?), especially if delete votes age away (which I'm not sure about)
Deleteable questions go through the close-vote queue so a lot of people see them, but answers don't have any way to get seen by anybody who could do anything about them
@MichaelHomer indeed, that's what I'm torn on, here. I don't want low-quality answers hanging around, but I'm OK with them sitting at zero-score, possibly with incriminating comments
ok some arbitrary amount of caching will occur, then hopefully that post will land in the queue. I've been meaning to copy/paste the LQP responses so that I can use them outside the queue.
But I do think that's in play in general. Deletion is free, downvotes cost a point, and since downvotes are the "right" answer for those you won't actually get the point back
@MichaelHomer ok, so let's play this out. You DV and cast a NAA flag, which (presumably!) puts it into the queue, and the queue handlers follow a reasonable policy of deleting NAA's.
The middle-ground answers that aren't clearly supposed to be deleted, though, the right thing is meant to be to vote on them, and that's where the reluctance comes in
I think 3. But if it's an older question, nobody else will ever notice it
As you said, if they're not new posts, and they're not flagged, it's unlikely someone else will see them. Consider throwing some flags on them, if you're willing.
I'm trying to think if we'll have a problem on our hands if everyone followed the "delete only obvious stuff" policy from the queue.
Recent Stretch 9.8.0 Gnome DVD, via Transmission (torrent) for my GF's old ASUS laptop: I noted that my Verbatim DVD disks are intended for data/media, not booting. (These disks have a movie film reel illustration on the front of the DVDs.)
Previously, I had noted your problem with the USB flas...
Two Looks OK, two Recommend Deletion, one Delete
I really don't know what should have happened with it
That's the kind of thing people are inclined to want to delete, for whatever reason, so if there's some tidy principled way to guide them to the right action that'd be useful
I think my ideal LQP reviewer knows something about UNIX; they've also gained 2k of rep on the site; so I would ask them to see if the answer does address the question. Myself, I don't see an easy way to guiding LQP reviewers towards deleting that. Imagine someone just over 2k rep.
Both because 1) it's a cool new power to use, and 2) it's a lot of work to figure out that there's anything relevant in there at all instead of misplaced extract from someone's diary
fair enough; and the world won't stop spinning if some of these edge-case answers are deleted; I wouldn't fight to save that particular answer, I just wouldn't initiate the deletion myself.
I have to take off soon, but I will rewrite my answer to be shorter and/or clearer. Not that people have to do it my way! I just feel some responsibility to provide some guidance.
It won't, but they're the ones that make processing the queue difficult and where the gap between "supposed to" and "want to" seems the widest. I think the easy cases everyone is pretty clear on
@MichaelHomer yes; the meta question tripped my "Learning the Art of" ... desire to put out some guidance, plus there's these questions about what's delete-able. I have my opinion on the matter, so that's what I'll put out there!
