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2:24 AM
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy here there are not that many smokers nowadays
 
@RuiFRibeiro Here as in the chat ?
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy here as in Portugal.
 
Oh, understood.
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Especially after indoors smoking was forbidden there was a sharp decline.
Had a red savina at lunch time...it went quite well, but now it hurts when I pee.
 
Tim
Good evening! Do any of you know where to get free flash drives (>= 4G)?
Are there companies sending out promotional flash drives for free, upon request?
I'd like to get some for file copying, backup, creating bootable live drive
 
2:27 AM
Indoor smoking is forbidden here as well, and regulations are something like 20 feet away from buildings. Vaping is also considered a form of smoking
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy In the phillipines, when I was in puerto princesa, in most part of the city it was forbidden
 
Hmmm, I won a couple free flash drives at university events ( spin a wheel type of thing ) Maybe lost&found places could be an option, or something like that
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy With luck, maybe an USBkill ;-P
 
@RuiFRibeiro I know, right ? Luckily never happened to me yet. And frankly nowadays I'd rather buy one. They're getting cheaper and plus there's peace of mind it's actually a new flash drive that will last hopefully longer than otherwise
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy yeah, a 64GB one is pretty cheap nowadays....
 
2:36 AM
I wonder about the USB life though. I had a crazy idea to make LVM setup, with 2 SSD drives and one USB drive, because I'm cheap.
But that probably won't last long.
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Have heard they last longer nowadays. Though I would prefer to do that with an M.2 rather than an USB.
 
Tim
formatting a flash rive upon receiving, will make it safe to use.
Maybe can turn a USBkill flash drive into a usable one.
 
Tim
dd /dev/zero /path/to/flashdrive/devicefile should make it safe
 
@Tim The thing is USBkill is not a flash drive at all. It's just a USB port with a capacitor , which is charged first and then fires back electrical current into the port
I'm electrical engineering student so um . . . kinda know what I'm talking about . . . sorta . . .
So before that dd command can even finish, the port will be physically fried
 
2:45 AM
I can buy one USBkill if you want to format it :-P
 
Tim
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Q: How can I turn my old phone into a pure flash drive?

TimI have an old phone Verizon's Palm Pixi Plus (a very primitive "smart" phone) not under service and about 6GB, shown by df -h and parted -l: $ parted -l ... Model: Palm Pixi (scsi) Disk /dev/sdb: 6828MB Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: loop Disk Flags: Number Start ...

 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy If you are lucky only the port will be fried. Those kind of connections often provide (almost) a direct path to the CPU....
 
Tim
Does a phone work like a USBkill?
why can it bounce back every time I dd /dev/zero to it?
 
@RuiFRibeiro Or you could put a voltage regulator in between. There's some on amazon. One would think manufacturers have a protection circuitry in place there. At least when my servo motor fires back voltage it shuts down, but that's minor amount
by 'it shuts down' I mean my laptop
@Tim Nope, not really
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy I would not risk finding it out.
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy I made some stupid mistakes with my lamobo/banana pi, but luckly is bus is more protected than a raspberry pi....
 
2:52 AM
@Tim try running strace -f dd /dev/zero /dev/phone_device , and probably you'll find out something denies reads/writes
@RuiFRibeiro That's nice to know. I have Pi 2B and Zero, which I hoped to use for my senior project and that eventually didn't happen properly. And I did want to try Banana Pi someday, although for some reason Beagle is quite popular. Probably because extra GPIO pins mostly
@Tim Small question. Are there any things you wish Nautilus file manager did ?
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Banana pi is just an umbrella for several incompatible models made and bought by them by several unrelated brands.
 
@RuiFRibeiro Incompatible models ? Incompatible with what ? Raspberry ?
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy I have a lamobo aka R1...which is a strange beast with an A20 Arm and 5 ethernet ports.
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy incompatible design between themselves. Actually I made stupid mistakes until realising my compatible rpi bus is rotated by 90º
 
@RuiFRibeiro Looked up lamobo. Oh, wow. I'd love to put openWRT on that thing.
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Pity they always use shit wifi chipsets. cnx-software.com/2019/02/20/…
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Dont....their hacked OSes are shit....openwrt from them was really, REALLY bad.
 
3:00 AM
I was talking about the official openWRT, but I'll keep that in mind
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy sinovoip is not really famous either from the quality of "their" hw design, and their software is really infamous.
 
I feel like I've gotten into Linux, embedded devices and programming way to late. There's so many cool boards, many cool things people do with them. And yet here I am, with pretty much no portfolio of projects at all.
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy All is relative. Well, why not making a simple project about making history graphs of temperature and humidity? It is interesting and easy, and pretty cheap buying sensors for that.
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy bit.ly/2GYDJji
 
That's an interesting sensor
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Got a couple here....
 
3:10 AM
I've some sensors, servo, stepper motor. Bunch of stuff. It's just not been a priority lately.
Arduino, Pi 2B and Zero. Altera Cyclone FPGA board, microchip's board with two microcontollers.
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Cool
 
In short , I'm looking for a job right now, parents been a little terse (which is an understatement), with a possibility of having no home soon.
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy I was a lot into Z80 and 8086 assembly coding into a distant past. Never got into FPGA
 
Tim
I haven't used Nautilus since I switched away from Gnome
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Here younger people is living with parents until 35, often with no job.
 
3:13 AM
I actually was applying to one place that had zOS mainframe there, RHEL and something else. Got rejected, though, after interviewing and waiting like 2 weeks or so
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Heck, the mother of my child never worked in her life, lives with everything paid by the parents and is in her 40s
 
And actually got rejected even from Geeksquad
 
Tim
why rejected?
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Dont focus in one or other place....
 
@Tim No explanation. Standard phrase "We decided to move on in the process"
 
3:15 AM
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy How old are you?
 
@RuiFRibeiro In the US there's a myth that young people leave at age 18, which may have been true in the past when economy was good. Nowadays, young people have to live with parents, and those who live on their own have 2 jobs that barely support the cost of living. Meanwhile the older generations complain about "millenials" being soft/weak , adding to psychological pressure. Suicidal tendencies, anxiety, depression, panic attacks are a norm, sort of.
I've had my share of anxiety and panic attacks over the past couple years. On the outside things aren't always what they seem.
@RuiFRibeiro I'm 28, born in 1990
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Have you considered online work plataforms? The pay rate is lower, I never bothered with them, because I have a very strong CV....but they are great to build experience and a portfolio of projects, and for paying bills.
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Yeah, in my generation it was easier to get gigs and jobs....
 
@RuiFRibeiro I'm starting to consider that. Tech support can be a problem - the house walls are basically paper, so talking to customers on phone is no-go. But then with online platform I'll probably also have to do something about self-employment taxes or maybe get a form. There's no consistent law on that. In my state there's taxes on online products/services/blogs but I've no idea about details
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy I cannot really understand how you could not do tech phone support in your own home...yeah, the low rates and taxes put me off of doing online work plataforms when I was out of a job, but then I have home, savings, and a good cv....
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Going to bed way late here. Good luck on you job hunt.
 
@RuiFRibeiro That's the trick. It's technically not my home, in legal sense. The owner on paper is my mother. My father, despite not being the owner, has coarse personality and acts as if he owns everything. Even threatened to call police on me, which won't really work nicely for either of us anyway
@RuiFRibeiro Thanks. See you around.
 
3:25 AM
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy That is family....my relationships with my parents was not that great when we lived together....but then I moved out when I was 20 or 21.
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy But parents will be parents.
Over and out.
 
4:05 AM
That feeling when you focus on one idea and spend time writing a script, but apparently it can be done easier the other way
 
 
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Tim
5:15 AM
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy I remember Nautilus was slow and sometimes buggy (not responsive). I am satisfied with pcmanfm right now.
but I rarely use pmanfm. I only use command line, because it is less resource consuming
 
5:59 AM
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy The US in general is increasingly hostile to smoking. I don't think it's particularly part of a work/gym culture. Though I could be wrong. Ironical, since they used to be such a big part of the tobacco industry. And still sell a lot outside the US.
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy The whole Linux thing?
@Tim Flash drives are quite cheap if you shop around.
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Such rules are increasingly present across the US. Even in the UK, I believe. There was a very funny episode of the IT Crowd which featured that.
 
@FaheemMitha True. My university after some years banned smoking only to specific marked spots on campus which IMHO doesn't help anyone
 
@Tim They can also last a while. I bought a drive on Amazon once. Here is my review.
 
@FaheemMitha Because I'm basically in between - I learned something, done something, and yet jobless with infinite amount of things to learn
 
I don't use that drive much any longer, but still carry it around with me.
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy I think I'm missing some context.
 
12 years, Good.
 
6:07 AM
You wrote that "I wonder if I'm overly hopeful".
@PrabhjotSingh Hey. What's good?
 
@FaheemMitha Flash Drive.
 
@PrabhjotSingh You mean the review I just posted?
 
@FaheemMitha Hello.
How are you?
 
I just tried to edit that review, and got:
> Sorry, you do not yet meet the minimum eligibility requirements to write a review on Amazon. For more information, please reference our Community Guidelines.
Nice and friendly, I must say.
 
@FaheemMitha The context is this: I've spent very long time in university trying to get the degree I had no idea about, eventually 4 years ago I installed Ubuntu, got interested in it, learned Python, shell scripting, even have bunch of small app-indicators for Ubuntu that were well received. Now, my family is getting restless and under pretext that "I'm 28 without a job" (even though I had 3 already) they are arguing with me, threatening to call police to evict me
Currently I just spent afternoons outside of the house to avoid interacting with my father
 
6:09 AM
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Wow, that's really nasty. Sorry to hear that.
What kind of degree did you get?
 
@FaheemMitha Yes, I have one bought in 2005. Still working. 2GB flash drive. You would say lol.
 
So you are hopeful about... Linux?
 
So in the mean time I've been applying to all sorts of jobs with whatever knowledge I have. Linux, bash, Python. So far no luck however, so sometimes I doubt my hopefulness
 
Oh, I see.
> To contribute to Customer features (for example, Customer Reviews, Customer Answers, Idea Lists) or to follow other contributors, you must have spent at least $50 on Amazon.com using a valid credit or debit card in the past 12 months.
 
@FaheemMitha Yup, mostly hopeful that it's a field where I belong
 
6:10 AM
I guess that's reasonable. Sort of.
I suppose I don't really buy stuff on Amazon USA any more.
 
Sergiys are generally from Russia or Ukraine.
 
As for degree, that's Electrical Engineering Technology. Which is not engineering, we're more of technicians. No designing involved, even though for senior project we have to do design for some reason
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Well, there should be enough work for everyone, provided that they are flexible. And don't get bored by shell scripting.
 
@PrabhjotSingh I'm Ukrainian, but have been living in the US for the past 12 years
 
@PrabhjotSingh Ok. Too many things to do. And too many of them involve the computer. Sigh.
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy How do you like it?
 
6:12 AM
@FaheemMitha It's alright. I haven't seen much of it. The 12 years I've spent mostly in the same city.
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy I see. Where did you go to university?
 
I wish success to both @FaheemMitha and @SergiyKolodyazhnyy
 
Weather in my city can be a bit weird. Like yesterday it snowed a lot and made traffic pretty dangerous within just a few hours
@FaheemMitha In the US. Same city. Actually not done yet. I still have 4 classes, which is 2 semesters of senior project, which is about a year
@PrabhjotSingh Thank you, kind sir
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Oh, you still have to finish your degree? So you're still a student?
In that case, I'm not sure why your parents are giving you a hard time.
 
@FaheemMitha Yes, effectively a student although I am not registered for any classes this spring - just looking for a job and avoiding using my mom's money
 
6:16 AM
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Oh. You should finish your degree.
 
Their reasoning for the hard time is my age, though by my analysis it's just their character and learned behavior. I am going to finish my degree, I suffered too much to walk away and leave it, but it will have to be on my own terms now I guess.
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Ok. Well, I'd try to do it soon, otherwise it might not happen.
 
Frankly, "the whole Linux thing" is also because I've put a lot of hope in it because when I installed Ubuntu I've failed C programming for the second time. College has been depressing sometimes. After I've started doing Ubuntu stuff and participating on AU, I've learned a lot, and was able to pass bunch of other programming classes.
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Oh. That's nice.
So you are more comfortable with programming now?
Yes, lots of people get a psychological lift from using free software.
It's suddenly like your computer is on your side.
It's a weird feeling.
Actually, I shouldn't say lots of people. Because I never took a poll. But I certainly felt it.
 
Yes, by far more comfortable. And I've lots of hopes and plans on how to rework some of my Python apps, make a few new ones maybe, maybe even make a GNOME extension someday once I decide to learn JavaScript
 
6:22 AM
I remember back in 1998 I purchased my first computer. A friend helped me install Red Hat Linux on it. (He wanted to put Debian, but we couldn't get hold of a CD burner to burn the disks.)
And we didn't know where else to get Debian disks from. In 1998 Linux wasn't quite as common as it is now.
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy That's good.
And having a computer running Free Software that was mine was a whole different feeling. Quite a rush.
 
Well, poll or not, it certainly felt like I was more in control. I rejected Visual Studio and was doing all assignments for C with nano and gcc. Even on exams. Although I also made peace with Windows by now - I've laptop with Win 10, powershell is an OK thing. Weird for being object-oriented, but can do some interesting things
 
I'd used computers before, but they belonged to the university, and were Sun machines.
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Emacs + gcc is a better combination.
 
Well, I'm a vim user now :) We can begin the text editor wars in the chat now
joke of course, I've no problem with anyone using other text editors. Abort text editor wars, abort !
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Well, not nano, at any rate.
 
nano's big advantage is simplicity , so much easier for beginners to learn, but of course feature-wise and power-wise it cannot compete with either vim or emacs ... and it doesn't have to
 
6:31 AM
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Agreed.
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy For what it's worth - i.e. nothing - under Colorado law you will be a legal tenant and have to be formally evicted by court proceedings, not just calling the police
 
@MichaelHomer Pretty much, especially since I do receive mail at this address.
Still had enough of psychological distress because of it all
 
It appears to be a 21-day notice period, then court filings
 
Tim
I would like to mention some observation from companies hiring software engineers.
It seems that they don't appreciate knowledge of Linux.
Many software engineers don't even know Linux well
They think only system admininstrators need to know Linux well, and they only focus on programming
So Linux knwoledge is not appreciated by employers.
 
There's plenty of job postings for "DevOps Engineer" which is software engineering plus other stuff if I understand correctly - that does mention Linux quite frequently
 
Tim
6:46 AM
When I heard of those negative opinions on Linux knowledge, I was very disappointed too
I think software engineers need to know OS well.
systems (OS, network, DBMS) well
not just data structures and algorithms
and programming languages
 
It really depends on what sort of software they're engineering
 
Well, if the software deals with config files, you need to know at least basics of filesystem hierarchy
 
Tim
Some Java or Javascript software engineers (mostly on web applications) don't need that much Linux knowledge
 
It is quite hard to get in the door for the first time these days without a degree
 
@Tim That's unfortunate, if true. But I imagine that companies can vary widely. Especially in a place as big as the US.
 
6:50 AM
Someone may need to know about that, but people working on other parts of the system, maybe not (for any "that")
 
I'd actually recommend @SergiyKolodyazhnyy finish his degree first. But I already said that.
 
Well, I considered going CS minor route ( I couldn't just change my degree having walked so far into EET ). But that got cut off as well.
 
People love degrees in the US. A bachelors is ok, I think.
 
Tim
a degree in CS is the best.
employers are attracted to CS degrees
 
@Tim Perhaps. But some degree is better than none. And it's obviously better if it is relevant to the job at hand.
 
6:52 AM
Well, I'll still finish my degree. For me it's more important to find something I can deal with, somewhere I'd feel at home. And Python and Linux so far seem like those fields. Although, admittedly my mind can foobar and go the long route when solving a scripting problem or so
 
Tim
There are already many graduates in CS degrees, even though they might not be as good as Serg is in Linux
 
Electrical engineering programmes span a pretty wide range. Some of them give a solid programming background
 
Tim
You are right.
 
Still, quality work is more important than what degree you have.
 
My degree required Visual Basic, C (because it's used on microcontrollers, and also assembly for those PIC-18 microcontrollers) , and then Verilog for Altera FPGAs
Also Matlab. My nemesis
 
Tim
6:54 AM
Americans are now very xenophobia, they only hire americans, so a CS degree might be unnecessary for americans
CS degrees are very important for international students.
 
So did you do legitimate programming in that?
If so, you can pitch it as a programming qualification and just move on. You want to get past initial screening so that you can interview
 
Oh, I also did Java. Passed first CS course without buying a book, just off my C knowledge. Then ran into a very awful instructor in Data Structures course, so ended up retaking Data Structures in Python
 
An embedded systems SE role sounds like it could be a good fit
 
@Tim That isn't true. Lot of international people get hired. Hence all the furor about work visas.
 
@MichaelHomer Well, define legitimate ? Assignments aren't exactly legitimate probably. But my Python is more or less legitimate. I use it here, on AU, I've bunch app indicators in PPA, and for databases class made an app done with SQLite and Python3 on Linux that aggregates metadata about those files
 
6:59 AM
The govt makes it difficult to hire international people, otherwise they would hire more, I expect.
 
Frankly, by this point sometimes I don't even know if my knowledge in any of that is legitimate anymore
 
Of course, Americans have a big advantage in looking for and finding jobs.
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy I mean in the degree. Was it almost all hardware and circuits, or was the C programming a substantial component? What I'm aiming at is whether this can be presented as a programming qualification for the purposes of box-ticking
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy One definition would be substantial contributions to free software projects that people actually use.
 
As for embedded stuff, yes, that'd be ideal. EE, Linux, microcontrollers - done that. Of course, I don't recall much of specifics of PIC-18 programming, but what I've learned is 1) C is still C on MCUs, just avoid recursion and 2) read the damn manual, aka the datasheet for the MCU
Do you think that's a substantial contribution ?
 
7:02 AM
A new hire isn't going to be expected to know how to do everything already
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Hey, nice work.
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Sure, that looks good.
Though something like Mercurial would be even better. Or some other big Python project. Not sure what.
 
So I work on a conversion master's programme, for people with degrees in something else who want to retrain as software developers, or to add programming skills to what they're already doing
 
@MichaelHomer Well, hardware was involved somewhat. We had to connect boards together via pins for I2C and CAN bus stuff, but otherwise the problem we had to solve was mostly write or complete C code to let two MCUs talk via the given interface
@FaheemMitha Well, there was one feature request for psutil package I think, that I had an idea of implementing. If it's still not implemented I might do that
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy As a rule of thumb the bigger and more visible, the better.
And it doesn't have to be Python, of course.
 
Being able to demonstrate that 1) you're generically competent, 2) you can program in some accepted language, 3) you can pick up new things, and 4) if possible, you have some particular skill, interest, or background match with the role that you can lean into is generally enough to get in somewhere, on top of a degree to get past the HR filter
It's a one-year programme, nobody is in super-deep, but they have those things and they're employable at the end
 
7:07 AM
AFK, brb
 
So if you can cobble together those things from bits and pieces you have already, you can make a solid pitch that you're a good candidate for the job
Making that case for yourself can be hard, though
 
@MichaelHomer You work in a programme to help people get jobs?
 
Perhaps more so in the US where people tend to be a bit, um, extravagant about themselves. Or perhaps less so if you're inculcated into that already
@FaheemMitha It's a conversion Master's programme in software development
 
@MichaelHomer Yes, I see. And you work with that program?
Still in NZ?
 
@FaheemMitha Yes
 
7:14 AM
@MichaelHomer Ok.
 
Welp, so far it's indeed been hard to make a case. There's one more interview I have, and like 40-ish applications I've sent out this week.
If nothing comes up, I'll probably just go look for something else, probably supermarkets or Starbucks
Although I got rejected from Geeksquad anyway
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Your university probably has career guidance people who can help with CV and interview preparation
And they will have an idea of the local market too. I recommend talking to them
 
Yeah, I'll probably do that. Although I hope the internship coordinator lady doesn't remember me. She once wrote a complaint at me for doing my job
That is, I told her not to bring food or drink into computer lab. I worked as lab technician ( aka glorified front desk guy with no admin privileges )
So she filed a complaint on me for "disrespecting her in front of students"
 
Also, they probably have general counselling services for students too, and honestly from what you've said I'd recommend going to see them as well
 
@MichaelHomer My experience has been that those kinds of people are useless. But maybe your experience has been different.
 
7:26 AM
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Unlikely to remember, but I imagine there are several people in the department if it's even a moderately-sized school
@FaheemMitha Well it can't hurt
 
@MichaelHomer Agreed.
 
It seems like something is up with either the CV or interview technique here and they should be able to make suggestions or help with that at least
 
There might be people locally who do that kind of thing professionally.
And if they exist, they might be more useful than the university people.
 
There's one specific person I probably could talk to, she's a STEM coordinator of . . .something. I'll probably email her to set up an appointment
 
Definitely. Recruitment agencies too
 
7:28 AM
Actually, my massage therapist in Durham told me about such people.
 
They're real shysters, but they also get paid for getting you a job, so
 
She used to practice in a mall, and there was some office nearby, which was to help people with employment. Basic stuff, I think. Get them the right clothes. Help them with their resumes. Tell them what not to say. I mean, I don't know the details, but it was in that sort of direction.
It was more targeted towards poor people. And the US is very expensive, so people can run out of money fast.
Lunch. Back in a bit.
 
 
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9:39 AM
The situation with Bluetooth on Debian does not seem that great. I've got my adapter working completely, as far as I can tell. But the software end is not so satisfactory.
Is anyone currently using Bluetooth on Linux? Preferably on Debian?
 
 
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11:45 AM
@FaheemMitha I have the impression bluetooth support is shaky, and the latest bluetooth protocols are either not supported or badly supported....
 
@RuiFRibeiro The actual networking seems to be fine. Perhaps I should have been more precise. The issues seem to be UI and permission related.
I.e. they're software issues. I've seen no network issues so far.
And I chose my adapter based on its support for Linux, of course.
BTW, does anyone know a way to determine whether some piece of hardware is using firmware from the computer's hard disk? I realise that's a vague/general question.
 
12:09 PM
@FaheemMitha logs....if they are getting firmware from files it will be logged.
@FaheemMitha Or sysdig
 
@RuiFRibeiro I don't know that one. But it sounds a bit daunting.
 
@FaheemMitha Monitor global file opens while inserting a device
 
@RuiFRibeiro With strace?
 
@FaheemMitha Nah, strace only follows a particular process. sysdig
 
@RuiFRibeiro Ok.
 
12:12 PM
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A: Tools for showing which files are accessed by a program?

Rui F RibeiroMy favorite tool for monitoring which files an application opens is the powerful monitoring framework sysdig. For monitoring all the open files opened by a program named exe_file: sudo sysdig -p "proc.name=exe_file %12user.name %6proc.pid %12proc.name %3fd.num %fd.typechar %fd.name" evt.type=op...

 
@RuiFRibeiro Ok, I'll take a look. Thanks.
 
@FaheemMitha Actually, we are talking about this one
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A: Where can I find the microcode (ucode) that is being loaded by iwlwifi (Intel 6205)?

Rui F RibeiroWhile I feel the dmesg log is the best answer for tracing loading a firmware file, there is an alternative method to trace all the files opened in a certain timeframe. I will leave here for the sake of completeness. You can always use a realtime tracing tool capable of following kernel calls as ...

 
@RuiFRibeiro Yes, that's a good answer. Thank you.
 
@FaheemMitha You are welcome.
 
 
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PRY
1:25 PM
Why we get size of extended partition as 1K, any specific reason
?
 
1:53 PM
@PRY hmm, what do you mean?
 
PRY
2:06 PM
like the output of lsblk
it will show extended partition size 1K
 
I'm guessing that's just the minimum allowed value.
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A: How to check if partition is Extended/Primary in Linux

terdonIt sounds like you just want parted -l. Here's what I get on one of my systems which has MBR tables and extended partitions: $ sudo parted -l Model: ASMT ASM1156-PM (scsi) Disk /dev/sda: 1500GB Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/4096B Partition Table: msdos Disk Flags: Number Start End ...

 
That 1K is probably because of alignment issues.
 
yeah, /proc/partitions also shows a size of 1 for the extended partition. It doesn't have units, so 1 (kB) is the smallest it can show.
if you go and read the "partition", you'll find another partition table there, because well, that's how the extended/logical partitions are laid out...
I'm not sure if it's that useful to be able to read it, but I suppose it's there so that you can, if you want to.
The one system I have has the usual 2048-sector (1 MB) alignment for the logical partitions too
 
2:28 PM
What to say to an OP like this? If the guy writing the code/a modified module kernel/module does not know what to ask, who will know then? unix.stackexchange.com/questions/502692/…
 
 
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3:34 PM
@RuiFRibeiro I thought that was an unnecessarily aggressive response. The guy was just trying to get a pointer. Though it's true that it's unlikely that anyone on the site can make a reasonable guess without more details.
And it's a literate question. Such questions should be encouraged.
 
@FaheemMitha Being it well written does not mean it is a good question and speaking the truth is not agressive. We do not beat much around the bush as in your culture. If he is writing specific code, we cannot guess what he wrote and how we wrote it, and what the code does, and cannot say to him which questions he has to do here. I would supposed someone writing code has a minimum idea of what he has written and about the concepts.
 
@RuiFRibeiro My culture?
It's hard to say what people on the site could come up with to help. I don't think it's a bad question, at any rate.
Essentially it's a debugging question.
Someone who knows networking would be a better position to suggest stuff.
 
@FaheemMitha It is not a good question asking to guess a problem on his code, and not giving any data of what was done. Zero. nil.
 
@RuiFRibeiro I expect he's willing to give more information if asked.
 
@FaheemMitha I cannot guess what code he has written to ask, that is the point.
 
3:45 PM
@RuiFRibeiro I guess he's asking for help in debugging what might be wrong with the networking.
I don't think he's asking you to guess what he might have done wrong on the code.
I made the obvious suggestion that he should try to get his module to be more talkative.
 
@FaheemMitha If he wants help with debugging, then he should ask about how to debug a kernel module. At the moment, he's not asking that. He's asking what's wrong with his code?
@FaheemMitha That's literally what he does.
 
He wrote:
> What might be the cause of this total freeze for large files? To my understanding in the kernel the packets come in a synchronous queue so load shouldn't matter and if the problem is the proxy it shouldn't completely freeze the entire system from user space.
I don't see where he is asking anyone to debug his code.
 
@FaheemMitha Forgive me, I am frustated with the question, not with you.
 
@RuiFRibeiro You know, it's entirely possible to ignore the question if you don't like it. There are million other questions to give your attention to.
 
@FaheemMitha That's the issue. He's saying "What might be the cause of this total freeze for large files?". He's not saying "How does one usually go about debugging kernel modules on Linux? What tools to people use and what techniques are used?"
 
3:49 PM
@Kusalananda I agree it could be phrased better. You could offer that as a suggestion. At least that's constructive.
 
To be able to debug his code, one has to see it.
 
It's also not clear if his module is actually filtering packets, or just inspecting them.
 
@FaheemMitha Anything it not clear on there, to be precise. It is his code.
 
If I recall correctly, filtering packets means blocking some of them, right?
 
What he wants is someone to sit down with that will help him debug his code. What he needs is experience in debugging techniques and kernel development.
 
3:51 PM
@Kusalananda Well, I guess he'll get that experience eventually.
 
@FaheemMitha That's what a packet filter does, yes.
 
@Kusalananda Ok, thanks.
 
Or redirects them.
 
@FaheemMitha Yes, and no. There is a reason you pay thousands for Cisco iron.... it is probably for statistics, I suspect. I usually use Netflow on Cisco....
 
@Kusalananda Does that typically involve rewriting part of their contents?
 
3:53 PM
@FaheemMitha and Direct the output of netflow to a Linux server.
 
@RuiFRibeiro Yes and no? Sorry, not sure what you are replying to.
I seem to recall reading that ports are encoded as part of packet information.
 
@FaheemMitha You wrote that is for blocking packets and I wrote "I suspect that is for statists (accounting) purposes.
 
@RuiFRibeiro Ok. You mean this guy's kernel module?
 
@FaheemMitha I do not even understand if he is patching kernel code or wrting a module....I suspect it is for accounting. There are more efficient ways of doing that.
 
@RuiFRibeiro I'm sure there are. I expect this is just a learning exercise.
At least he's not here trying to get us to get his Kali machine to work.
 
3:56 PM
@FaheemMitha LOL for Kali Is it a learning exercise? Networking people need accounting a lot, more so on ISP settings....
 
@RuiFRibeiro Yes, I'm thinking it's probably a learning exercise.
 
@FaheemMitha We do not know, as the rest of the context ;-P
 
@RuiFRibeiro Shrug. A professional would probably not come here.
 
@FaheemMitha From what we see in the forum you have a lot of "professionals" coming here....Nevertheless, you have got either port mirroring or netflow in networking and nowadays even those functionalities in vmware networks .... where you pay for that $$$$$$ obviously.
 
@RuiFRibeiro Mostly amateurs and hobbyists, I'd say. To be clear, I meant a networking professional.
 
4:05 PM
@FaheemMitha Coming from India, I though it would be clear many people accept jobs they are not qualified to do. In latin and african cultures we have exactly the very same problem, for better or worse. But I digress. Offline, going to cook dinner.
 
@RuiFRibeiro That's certainly true. Let me rephrase that as competent professional.
Have a good dinner.
 
4:28 PM
@FaheemMitha Talking again on the subject of chilli peppers, had yesterday the 2nd strongest in the world at lunch time.
@FaheemMitha And about competent professionals....we are having a lot of questions about VPNs, captive portals and even some advanced authentication and routing....because they are not exactly Linux questions. They involve knowledge in several fields at same time, which people usually do not have.
 
@RuiFRibeiro When I was more active on the site, advanced questions were a rarity.
But maybe things have changed.
 
@FaheemMitha There are the odd gems. But I am talking about people with overly too optimistic hopes complex setups out of their league will be explained.
 
5:19 PM
@RuiFRibeiro You didn't just "speak the truth", and you were not direct. Had you been direct, that would have been fine, but you were sarcastic and passive aggressive.
You wrote: "Does it make sense the one writing the code asking others to try to guess what the problem is, without any hard facts/technical data/debugging/performance data at all?
That is not direct at all. You could instead have said: We can't help you without any hard facts/technical data/debugging/performance data at all. Please edit your question and add more details
That would have pointed out the problem and given a way of improving it. And that would have been direct.
What you wrote just comes across as condescending and snooty without actually providing any useful guidance. Which is why I deleted it.
Most importantly, you made it about the question's author (Does it make sense the one writing the code) instead of the question's content.
 
5:38 PM
@terdon Alas, we can never please everyone. I do understand your points, but I do not understand people making questions about their code and they saying they do not understand it. Nevertheless, it was not my intention being sarcastic.
 
@RuiFRibeiro I don't disagree with your assessment of the question. I just wanted to clarify that the issue with that comment wasn't that it was too direct but, on the contrary, that it wasn't direct at all.
 
@terdon anyway, it was not construed intencionally to be meant as passive-agressive or sarcastic. ( I do not understand how people can write advanced code and then say they do not undertand nothing about the subject. ) Yeah, () used because that not the important point.
 
5:57 PM
So, nobody here is using Bluetooth on Linux?
 
Tim
May I ask some questions?
What are the recommended RAM assignment for installing Winows 8.1 as guest and Ubuntu 18.04 as host, using either virtualbox or KVM?
my laptop only has 4GB RAM
thanks.
 
@RuiFRibeiro Oh, I'm sure it wasn't intentional!
@Tim You'd probably be better off asking on Super User. That boils down to "what's the minimum RAM windows 8 requires" and we're not the right people to ask that.
 
@Tim MS says the minimum is 2GB, maybe 1GB for VMs from the top of my head....that is the bare minimum. I personally do not recommend a 4GB machine running Windows 8 VMs, both the host and VMs will be starved for RAM, and ultimately for I/O
 
Tim
which uses more RAM, virtualbox or KVM?
 
@Tim I doubt there will be significant difference. You care about the RAM used by the virtual machine (by Windows). The RAM used by the VM-manager is negligible compared to that.
 
6:13 PM
@Tim Virtuabox easier to setup, buggy as hell. KVM dificult to put it to work in some configs, not recommended to less experienced people. Pick your devil.
@Tim tried to use virtualxox on my corporate desktop, gave up on the idea. Network interfaces randomly losing connectivity, just for starters. It was giving me more problems than solving them. On the other hand, KVM did not like my 4-6 year old i7 corporate hardware.....
(no support for PCI passthrough)
So I gave up on both, and went for Linux in bare metal. Of thousands of people we are very few running Linux there, and not the official corporate Windows desktop.
 
6:31 PM
I've been using virtualbox and running a windows and an ubuntu guest for many years. Never had any real issues with it. Of course, I only use them for very minor things, so it's likely I just haven't encountered the bugs that @RuiFRibeiro mentioned.
But if all you want is to try something out in another OS quickly, VBox is indeed easy and painless.
 
@terdon Even more so coupled with Vagrant ;)
Talking about vague questions, anyone ever tried writing a LD_PRELOAD module to sniff out on encrypted chromium sessions?...probably easier writing a patch....
 
Tim
I certainly not.
Is there a minimal verion of Windows 8.1, like Lubuntu 18.04 for Ubuntu 18.04?
 
@terdon I also had a chicken and egg problem with virtualbox and later on hyperV and a stupid corporate captive portal....
I just wrote a script nowadays in Linux for WISPr authentication, and I only see that darned portal in my Android phone every monday. Or when I take my Mac.
 
@Tim That's kinda why I suggested you ask on Super User where people who know Windows hang out.
 
Tim
i have been bullied there and lost freedom of speech
 
6:45 PM
I just whip out the ocasional Windows VM using Microsoft VM training VMs that are valid for 30 days.....
and then I destroy them afterwards ;)
 
@Tim A possible solution would be to get more memory.
 
Tim
I am looking for donation or dumpdiving (no where to dump)
 
@RuiFRibeiro Have you done a lot of work with Linux networking?
 
Tim
to dive
 
@FaheemMitha Yeah, too much networking to mention, both in Linux/Unix and corporate equipment..... I am always gravitating between network admin or sysadmin jobs.
@FaheemMitha Often was hired as network admin and ended up as sysadmin.....or the less frequently, the other way around.
 
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