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12:00 AM
It is crazy.
 
My household pays like 39.99 USD (I'm in the US) for same DSL 10-year-old contract. And lately it's been getting slow (even though they recently acquired another ISP, so should have more servers and stuff, one would think)
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Depressing stuff.
 
All the slow internet influences my exploration of all the cough educational content . . . like reddit and stuff
 
You have got a problem with DSL, if you are more than 2km way from a loop you will never ever get good quality no matter what the BS they feed you. A big problem in rural areas.
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Off to bed
To all good night
 
Good night, sleep well
 
12:04 AM
thanks!
 
@Fabby Not at all. I say that because I currently work in a bioinformatics company and I'm the only one apart from the CEO/founder who has a background in biology.
And because I did my PhD sitting next to computer scientists, chemists, physicists, mathematicians, even an aeronautical engineer.
 
About half the chemists I studied with ended up in IT.
 
Hell, even the founder's a computer scientist. He just decided to change everything and get a PhD in bioinformatics in his mid forties.
 
@Fabby Where were you 10 years ago to tell me this ?
 
Wow!
 
12:10 AM
Yeah. That took courage.
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy For my first job, I had to know BASIC.
I didn't know any BASIC, so the GM gave me the manual from the lead programmer while he was on holiday.
After my interview, I handed him his book back.
He then said: Are you the guy wou didn't know any BASIC 2 weeks ago?
uhuh...
Hired!
That's how I landed my second job
 
It was much easier when I was a kid.
 
And now we have to have 10 years of experience in a language that only existed for 3 years to even be considered for an interview :)
 
Urgh... Yes! I've run into those job ads too.
Damn! I was going to contact the Unix Manager for you!
Man, I've worked 60+ hours this week and Sunday I have a DR Test!
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Remind me again Tuesday!
I'm just a wreck now: not even trying to answer any questions...
 
12:16 AM
No rush - priorities first. Meanwhile I've submitted like 40+ other applications and interviewing with one company, so anything helps
I've also updated resume to version 5, now with more <strike>BS</strike> polished content
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy seriously, start looking at bioinformatics jobs. Your knowledge of scripting and regex/text parsing will be appreciated.
 
@terdon Just search "bioinformatics" ? Are there any specific search terms ?
 
euuu
don't really know, to be honest. Python, probably. And perl.
 
The search euuu jobs in Denver, CO did not match any jobs
 
12:20 AM
0 results on SO jobs for 'bioinformatics' in my area
I'll try other sites as well
 
It's in NY, so not your area I think, but that's the sort of thing I was thinking of. While you might not have all the skills they are looking for, note how you do have most. And biological knowledge isn't one of them.
I'm just saying this is a field that is rapidly expanding, has a lot of money and is actually quite close to stuff I know you know about.
So you may as well keep your eyes open in case you find something there. Just don't assume "bioinformatics" means you can't do it.
 
Page not found, when clicking apply link anyway
Honestly, I probably should have expanded my search long ago. I haven't even considered bioinformatics and data science until now
 
The good thing about knowing your way around scripting languages and coreutils and the like is that these are the basic tools. You can then apply these tools to all sorts of different fields.
 
Well, now I feel stupid . . . I was circling around same search terms, when I should have expanded that
 
 
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2:21 AM
@terdon Quick question out of curiosity: is there any um . . . Hello World tutorial on what FASTA actually is / RFC / standard which says how FASTA files are supposed to look like ? I mean, I know it's DNA/RNA sequences
 
2:48 AM
$DIETY help me, I think I've used my gold-hammer correctly for the first time
1
Q: History expansion in scripts

History_expansionI have the following Bash script case $- in (*H*) echo enabled ;; (*) echo disabled ;; esac set -H case $- in (*H*) echo enabled ;; (*) echo disabled ;; esac pwd last_command="!!" echo $last_command which prints disabled enabled /home/user !! The first line of code checks to see if history ...

 
 
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4:27 AM
@JeffSchaller You could also use "edit" to add additional duplicate probably: unix.stackexchange.com/questions/384861/…
I miss my gold hammer on AU :p
 
 
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5:30 AM
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy How slow?
 
5:48 AM
@JeffSchaller Congratulations.
 
6:32 AM
@FaheemMitha traceroute to some sites goes through around 10-12 hops, 850 ms each. Pings on good day are 40-50ms, right now it's around 651ms-800ms. I use public DNS instead of ISP's, though, so that also might be a factor
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy I meant, what is your download speed, say in kilobytes/sec?
Or megabytes/sec, if you prefer.
 
6:49 AM
$ wget unix.stackexchange.com
--2019-02-23 14:49:05--  unix.stackexchange.com
Resolving unix.stackexchange.com (unix.stackexchange.com)... 151.101.1.69, 151.101.65.69, 151.101.129.69, ...
Connecting to unix.stackexchange.com (unix.stackexchange.com)|151.101.1.69|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
Location: unix.stackexchange.com [following]
--2019-02-23 14:49:05--  unix.stackexchange.com
Connecting to unix.stackexchange.com (unix.stackexchange.com)|151.101.1.69|:443... connected.
so right now it's OK, 70 KB/s
dangit , I spent whole lot of time writing an answer about -print0, and didn't even notice OP created directory in a foobar way
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy That's super slow. Try one of the broadband speed testing sites.
Where are you located at, again?
 
@FaheemMitha Mile-high city, Centenial state
Aka Denver, Colorado
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy You're in Denver? Then you should be getting fast speeds.
 
There was a question couple days ago on either SU or ServerFault that ISPs prioritize speedtest sites
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Well, maybe. But it still gives one some idea.
 
7:05 AM
0.19

Mbps download

0.33

Mbps upload

Latency: 459 ms
Server: Denver, CO
Your Internet speed is very slow

Your Internet download speed is very slow. Web browsing should work, but videos could load slowly.
Google's on point
 
 
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8:19 AM
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Yes, that's very slow. You said you're in Denver?
 
@FaheemMitha Yessir. Denver, CO. The one and only.
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy That's weird. I didn't think such slow speeds would be tolerated in a big American city.
I suppose you've complained and stuff?
And you really should have other internet options. If I was getting speeds like that, fixing the issue or finding something better would be a high priority.
 
Nope. I'm just living with it so far.
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Bad idea.
Are you like super busy or something?
At least in India, it's easier to find something better than fix the current provider.
 
@FaheemMitha Well, not exactly busy. I mean, busy with searching for a new job and avoiding conflicts with my father, which has been the story of my past several years, so internet speed isn't a big priority. Frankly, the router we got from ISP started freaking out couple years ago, so I purchased my own and set it up. Probably we could find a better deal, but I personally haven't bothered much
 
8:30 AM
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy A faster internet makes life easier, so it's worth spending a little time trying to fix that. Try to get a rough estimate how much time you spend every day waiting for stuff to load.
Then multiply by the number of days you've had a slow connection.
 
@FaheemMitha India is a more advanced country then the USA...
>:-) ;-)
 
@Fabby No, it isn't.
 
@FaheemMitha Let me rephrase that:
Some parts of India look like they're more advanced than some of the parts of the USA...
I'll hold off on the final comparison, after I've been to India...
:D :D :D
 
@Fabby That's probably true.
 
Frankly, I've not been to much of other US cities, so can't say much about that. I've only been to China.
And I'm from Ukraine originally, so . . .
 
8:36 AM
"Only..."
 
Oh, and Czech republic
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy I'd say your ISP is screwing with you. I wouldn't put up with it. Have you at least registered a complaint?
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy And Germany!
And Slovenia!
and ...
 
Huh ? Where did those come from ?
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy CZ is not too far from DE.
 
8:37 AM
Is that a funny country riddle? :D
good morning guys'n'gals
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy well, once you're on a roll, you're going to keep hammering them oiut
 
@FaheemMitha Nope. Like I said, it's not been a priority, so nothing there
 
@Videonauth Good morning lion.
SMOKE!!!
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Wow, those are Indian levels of apathy.
 
(ping me)
 
8:38 AM
Hey @Videonauth
I mean, it takes a few minutes to file a complaint.
 
@Fabby I wouldn't wanna be hammering anyone, especially whole countries - not my personality type. But I wouldn't mind visiting DE at some point. I've a cousin there. Somewhere . . . We weren't really close tbh.
 
Actually, Indians love to complain, so that isn't really fair.
 
Honestly, I'd rather visit Asia. Vietnam, Japan, Thailand, maybe South Korea. North Korea would be OK, if only they wouldn't be so serious about everything. Sense of humor is important
 
I would visit anywhere if i not had my health limitations and there are nice girls to look att :)
 
Eh, I might file a complaint or service request at some point. Maybe then I'll get better speed and can finally start my youtube career :)
 
8:42 AM
your ISP is holding you back recording and post processing?
 
Imagine my Youtube show "Fire-side chats about file descriptors, with Serg aka that guy who made couple indicators for Ubuntu"
 
IMHO the ISP is only the last bit of the way
 
@Videonauth Last couple months we had a lot of slow-downs, often times when router gets IP on specific range of servers, but even "good" servers are now getting slow downs.
 
did you do a traceroute? are you sure its within your providers network or in anothe node on the way?
for example i regularily getting slowdown when i try to access american sites
there is nothing better to get as a ping of 120 and as soon only one node on the way hickups i t slows down to a crawl
 
@Videonauth I tracerouted a couple sites, one in japan. Usually it takes around 12 hops and when there are slow-downs it takes around 850ms for packets to come back
same time with pings
 
8:50 AM
so none of the feared * * * ?
 
No there are. Up to the max 30 hops
 
that are the nodes really messing up your speed
 
I did traceroute unix.stackexchange.com just now , tri-globs appeared after 6th one, speed is in range of 300 ms
 
i just running a traceroute to nasa.gov that was the first one for me i know it is overseas and you not wanna know how many tri-globs i get
$ traceroute nasa.gov
traceroute to nasa.gov (23.22.39.120), 64 hops max
  1   192.168.0.1  0,440ms  0,789ms  0,964ms
  2   *  *  *
  3   81.210.128.70  10,050ms  7,793ms  7,573ms
  4   84.116.196.153  120,529ms  141,692ms  121,566ms
  5   84.116.130.121  120,604ms  119,847ms  119,969ms
  6   84.116.130.122  119,952ms  119,973ms  119,916ms
  7   84.116.130.165  120,118ms  122,179ms  130,497ms
  8   213.46.182.202  125,488ms  120,655ms  118,092ms
  9   54.239.111.236  149,100ms  131,239ms  131,649ms
the first tri-globs you can dismiss on my traceroute this is my provider not alowing the system to give any information
 
yeah, pretty much the same
smoke, brb
 
8:59 AM
the last hop providing some output is amazon tech inc Seattle
 
9:11 AM
Maybe just an intermediate node. NASA's should have their own serves, well at least DNS nameserves are their own
 
i tried even direct ping nasa.gov and had 100% packet loss unless the website loads fine but slow.
the 4th hop is already bad however it should not have such horrible pings as it is in the Netherlands
and only on the 9th hop i have arrived on USA turf node wise
 
 
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11:12 AM
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Oh god. Another one.
I thought they didn't smoke in the US.
 
Tim
11:26 AM
I have been drown in the mud of partitioning and LVM for more than a week. can someone help? Thanks
 
11:43 AM
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Sorry, I'd gone to bed. Have a look at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/….
It's an extremely simple format. It comes down to two things: i) a header line, starting with >, giving the sequence name and any other details you want and ii) the rest of the lines which have the actual sequence. It can describe DNA, RNA or protein sequences (each letter represents a particular chemical) and there are basically no other restrictions.
 
12:16 PM
@Tim You can't convert your existing partitions into LVM volumes.
But you probably already know that. You should copy/backup your system, create LVM volumes, and then reinstall. It's not a big deal.
For the first step, I recommend fsarchiver
It's in Debian, and therefore in all the Ubuntu variants.
But before proceeding, you should take some time to think about how you want to lay out your system. You may want more than 2 LVM volumes. I have quite a number.
Also bear in mind that each LVM volume will contain a separate filesystem.
 
more than two logical volumes or volume groups?
 
One reason for a somewhat finegrained LVM setup is that you can unmount stuff on a running system.
@ilkkachu More than two logical volumes. At least in this context.
 
yeah, that makes sense
though when you have LVM set up, it's not that hard to split parts of a filesystem to a different volume, assuming you have the time and free space to copy the data around.
 
So, if you have one big LV containing everything, you can't unmount it without taking your system down and rebooting in some sort of rescue mode or chroot from a different system - whatever. Because root can't be unmounted on a running system.
And unmounting home can also be problematic.
Also, you might want to mount different filesystems with different options, depending on their usage.
@ilkkachu You can move stuff around to a certain extent, yes.
@Tim you may also want to consider software RAID. It's generally a good idea.
On top of LVM.
Shouldn't /etc/systemd/system/bluetooth.target.wants/bluetooth.service be consider a config file?
 
12:37 PM
The U&L username 炸鱼薯条德里克 translates into Fish and Chips, Derek from Chinese (according to Google Translate). That's creative.
 
1:09 PM
@StephenKitt Did you make a change to polkit to allow bluetooth transfers?
This is what blueman uses, at any rate.
 
2:07 PM
printf 'good morning!' >>/dev/chat
 
2:35 PM
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy good find; thank you! I think I'll link it in, because (I found that) you also need set -o history.
 
 
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3:39 PM
So I can transfer files from my computer to a phone using bluetooth, but the reverse is still not working. And even the from computer bit wasn't initially working - I'm not sure why.
 
bluetooth is trash
Use airdroid over wifi
 
But hey, fifth time is the charm.
@Jesse_b Never heard of it. And why is bluetooth trash?
 
@FaheemMitha Bluetooth has never worked reliably for me. Even when it does work it works with a ton of interference
 
@Jesse_b I see.
Not even from very close range?
 
Airdroid is pretty cool, you download the app on your phone and it allows you to open a web interface to your phone. You can drag and drop files to it and all sorts of other things
you can text people from your browser
 
3:45 PM
@Jesse_b Hmm. Sounds like it might be a bit of a security nightmare.
 
so is bluetooth
 
A lot of those fancy apps are.
@Jesse_b It's instrinsically a close range thing. There was some discussion about that some time ago.
 
Well airdroid only works over wifi so if your wifi is otherwise compromised you have a security risk either way
 
OTOH, anything involving the internet, by definition, has no range limitations.
@Jesse_b Wifi isn't particularly insecure. But it sounds like the cloud is involved, at least partly.
 
I don't think so. Uses all local network
The app on your phone hosts the web interface that you browse to
 
3:48 PM
@Jesse_b Oh, ok.
@Jesse_b I see. Can you run it on your computer?
 
I guess they do have some over the internet features. I haven't used it in a while
So that's saying it has some security risks but the attacker has to already be on your network to exploit them
 
@Jesse_b On the internal network?
 
Yes. Which if someone was on my wireless network I wouldn't be concerned about what they do to my phone, my pc is the real target
That's also from 2016 and the app has definitely been patched since then
 
So, the bluetooth wiki is recommending usage of the wheel group for creating a polkit rule. So, since Debian doesn't have a wheel group, should I create it, or use something else?
 
And they do update at the bottom to say the fix is available
 
3:52 PM
I'll take a closer look later. Right now, still trying to get BT to work.
It shouldn't be that hard. Lots of people seem to have managed it.
Though maybe not using Debian.
Hmm, a search for "debian polkit blueman" in U&L gives nothing. Bummer.
I wonder if systemctl restart polkit is the approved way to restart polkit? It seems to work.
 
That's all outside my wheelhouse
 
Wat it do
 
Hey Prabhjot. How goes it
 
Today I am fine. How are you and sonny?
Hello @FaheemMitha.
 
@PrabhjotSingh Hey.
 
4:06 PM
This should please you
Brb
@FaheemMitha How are you ?
 
@PrabhjotSingh Ok. Getting a bit frustrated with Bluetooth.
 
@FaheemMitha So UPS is done.
 
@PrabhjotSingh What?
 
@FaheemMitha You weren't preparing a UPS ? Or am I wrong ?
And It's final that Fabby isn't coming.
@Jesse_b what is airdoid over WiFi?
 
4:26 PM
@PrabhjotSingh It's an app that allows you to connect your pc to your phone
 
@Jesse_b Got it. By Sand Studio.
And Makes and Answers calls via PC.
 
4:42 PM
@PrabhjotSingh Trying to figure out what UPS to buy. It's not so easy.
@PrabhjotSingh Color me surprised.
 
5:07 PM
@FaheemMitha I have to buy one, you should dig more. I will ask you about it later.
@FaheemMitha But it wasn't bad. I learnt two things from this. One is that Paschim Express is the only daily train that goes to Bombay from here. Second there is flexi fare in Rajdhani trains.
 
@PrabhjotSingh Well, my issue is basically a sizing issue. Also there are like 5 Indian brands, so it's hard to make a choice.
Also, what little checking I did suggests that the UPS's are really expensive, which isn't how I remember it.
@PrabhjotSingh Is that useful?
 
@FaheemMitha For a simple desktop what is good. I have intex UPS now.
 
@PrabhjotSingh It depends on how long you want to keep your machine up for. Ideally, one should check your system's power consumption.
Also, it doesn't look like NUT supports any Indian brands, at least not officially.
Which it annoying, but not surprising, I suppose.
 
5:22 PM
@FaheemMitha Yes, So far I didn't know which train goes daily to Bombay from here. This is the only train. Plus flexi fare system. I never heard of
 
@PrabhjotSingh Ok. Well, if Bombay is of particular interest to you.
 
@FaheemMitha No, nothing. Once I wanted to study in TISS and Paranjoy lives there. You saw epw link I sent you ?
 
@PrabhjotSingh Yes, I did.
 
I sent this you because you question medicine prices sometimes
@FaheemMitha in latest issue Jean Dreze and Reetika Khera have written an article in epw.
 
@PrabhjotSingh I didn't understand the article.
Blueman is going on about a Network Access Point. Does anyone know what that is? The documentation really isn't great - that I could find.
 
6:00 PM
Now my computer is somehow playing music from my phone via Bluetooth. Though I didn't ask it to. Or select the music.
Still can't send a file from my phone, though.
A song called "Carve Our Names".
Computers are weird.
Hmm, apparently it has a playlist.
Ok, apparently I was running the wrong program. I was supposed to run bluetooth-applet, and then select the config settings from the taskbar. Which is really obvious.
I used some other programs, which I wasn't supposed to use, apparently.
 
6:24 PM
I'm now confused whether I'm using bluedevil or blueman.
20 years of using this operating system, and I'm reduced to randomly clicking things.
 
I wonder how one could find this site before finding a guide on using cp
0
Q: How do I copy a file to a different directory, but with another file extension?

Diana Let's say I have two directories: orig and backup. Orig contains the file foo. I want to copy the file foo to the backup directory, but with the extension .txt.

 
@Jesse_b A little bit of text would have been nice in that answer. I'm not too sure how useful the synopsis from the manual would be to them...
 
6:39 PM
@Kusalananda I wasn't sure how to explain it more than that...cp is pretty straight forward :s
 
Something about the difference between copying to a directory and copying to a directory with an explicit filename at the end of the target path?
 
> cp takes the source file as it's first parameter and the destination file as it's second parameter. You may be used to simply specifying the destination directory which is allowed but you can also specify the full path in order to rename the destination file at the same time.
 
@Jesse_b +1
 
=)
@Kusalananda: How many wishes would you need before one of them was the ability to remove all sand from your body immediately?
 
??? That surely depends on the amount of sand involved.
 
6:50 PM
It would be a thing you could use any time you wanted forever. You could just say "sand off" and all sand is removed from your body
If you go to the beach when you leave you could just say "sand off" before you get in your car
 
@Jesse_b Hmmm... So, that wish would come sometime after the wish "Give me a car" and "I'd like to visit beaches a bit more often" then.
 
@Kusalananda Yeah but how many wishes do you really need: Wish 1: Unlimited good health, Wish 2: Unlimited good health for family, Wish 3: Unlimited money, Wish 4: sand off
 
@Jesse_b 1) Unlimited good health for all. 2) Sand off. If everyone is guarnteed good health, there would be no need for money as money is a means for buying food and shelter and other things that would directly or indirectly improve one's health.
 
@Kusalananda Yeah but good health wont buy you a car or a trip to the beach
 
Good. I'd like to use my perfectly healthy body for other things.
What brought this on?
 
6:56 PM
@Kusalananda I watched the movie paddleton last night and they joke about sand off in the movie
I personally hate having sand on my body so I related to it
 
My (Buddhist) teacher used to say: If I was given the choice of $1M and Enlightenment, I would pick the $1M. Why? Enlightenment is guaranteed given striving for it. Money is not.
 
@Kusalananda hah. Are you a practicing Buddhist?
 
I am.
Nominally nowadays, as I'm caring for my sick gf, and that and work takes most of my time.
 
Nice. I am fascinated by Buddha, I should study him more
I'm sorry to hear that. I hope she will be okay
 
Oh, nobody told you? He died some time ago ;-)
 
7:01 PM
@Kusalananda Have you heard of Wim Hof?
 
I will have, soon.
Oh, yeah, that guy
 
I have heard Buddha was able to sit naked (or at least near naked) in freezing temperatures for long periods of time and control his body temperature through meditation. Wim Hof has a similar ability
 
Ah, I see the Tummo and other reference in his Wikipedia page.
Meditation was never a way to achieve things like that. There may be certain side effects, but they are, over all, just side effects.
Distractions.
 
But that's what fascinates me about it :p
 
It's fascinating, no doubt.
Need to give a cat her insulin shot...
 
7:07 PM
poor kitty
 
This is really confusing. I was wondering whether I was using Blueman or Bluedevil, but neither of them are running right now, but bluetooth is still working.
I suspect a conspiracy to drive me mad.
 
I've only had bad experiences with bluetooth so I almost never use it. I have an OBD2 reader that uses it but I rarely use that
 
@Jesse_b Yes, so you said. It's working perfectly now, but I can't figure out how, exactly.
 
Tim
Thanks for reply. Faheem
Are there LVM users or gurus willing to help with my latest LVM questions?
 
7:23 PM
@Jesse_b I think it saves by default or after asking.
Not 100% sure though.
 
@Kusalananda I think this guide is miswritten: gnupg.org/gph/en/manual/r899.html
> save
Save all changes to the current key and quit.

save
Quit without updating the current key.
I would guess the second save is supposed to be quit
but it does say
> trust
Change the owner trust value. This updates the trust database immediately and no save is required.
 
@Jesse_b Yeah. Ok, so save is not actually needed there.
 
Tim
It was written in 1999
if they were responsive, they probably have already corrected it
 
@Kusalananda I think the editor should have specified that though at the very least
 
I've just checked. quit works well. The trust DB is updated and saved without save.
The edit to the answer is valid.
I approved in the review.
@Jesse_b They left a comment: "Editing the trust database doesn't require saving. Better not to save in case you messed something else up."
 
7:32 PM
@Kusalananda Well I have tl:dr syndrome lol I missed it :s
 
Tim
8:03 PM
I am almost crying over partitions and filesystems and LVM
 
8:29 PM
@Tim Maybe you should take a break? I don't think it could be that serious
Whenever I start getting frustrated with something I try to take a walk or do a workout to take my mind off it
 
9:03 PM
@Tim If you have a question, ask it. I'm surprised I need to tell you that, of all people.
 
 
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10:22 PM
@FaheemMitha According to Google, 17% of American adults are smokers
\o Henry
 
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy That's a horrifying statistic, if true.
 
Probably. Although I think it's better than in other countries statistics-wise. I am making a guess in China, Russia, and Ukraine that percentage is probably higher. At least in the US you have this "workout" or "gym" culture
But in the US what they don't do, is differentiate between cigarettes
In Ukraine, China, Russia you will see labels on the pack how much nicotine and smog a single cigarette contains
there's no such info on packs in the US
I wonder if I'm overly hopeful
 
10:57 PM
I mean over the whole Linux thing
 

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