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12:53 AM

Ummm . . . I think tab completion in my bash is borked ?!

$ cd /usr/bin/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/

Jeff Schaller

1:44 AM

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy I knew X11 was a large package, but this is getting ridiculous.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

Hehe, X11 has surely gotten slightly bloated and complex over the years. Still works though.

So today I've revisited one of the answers I've posted when I was teeny-wheeny user on AU. It's nice to see I've learned a thing or two over the years. Still a lot to learn and long way to go though

Jeff Schaller

This is a pretty amazing place -- I've learned quite a bit!

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

Indeed. Despite occasional drama and initial roughness with getting used to the SO system, it's a great place.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

3:14 AM

Where do I go to ask for ideas ? Like, are there any places where I could ask like "Hey, what do you wish Nautilus did ?"

Faheem Mitha

5:03 AM

Can someone remind me of that setting change that was supposed to reduce the usage of swap? Which, unsurprisingly, hasn't done a damn thing.

Faheem Mitha

5:56 AM

Also, does anyone have experience sizing a UPS? I've never done it before, but it seems the first step is to get an multimeter and check the wattage of the devices that I plan to attach to the UPS. Does that sound correct?

Archemar

6:44 AM

just don't mistake Watt and Volt-Ampere

difference is cos(phi), it cost me (well not me, but) an UPS long time ago.

Faheem Mitha

7:52 AM

@Archemar Yes, the difference is the Power Factor.

It seems like manufacturers like to quote in VA, but the more relevant measure is Watts.

@Archemar What is phi?

Archemar

arg ... see figure in en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power

UPS must meet VA power (S vector in figure), while watt rating is P vector.

ilkkachu

8:48 AM

@FaheemMitha like I said a couple of days ago, I'm not an EE, but I have the impression that for the UPS, the VA's is the important number: it has to supply the reactive power, too. And you can't convert that to real power (watts) directly, since it depends on the power factor...

@FaheemMitha oh and yeah, probably a power consumption meter. one that you can just plug in between the device and the wall socket. I think they show the power factor too, at least the cheap one I have somewhere does

Faheem Mitha

@ilkkachu Is a power consumption meter different from a multimeter?

@ilkkachu No, I think the Wattage is the important number. Sometimes they quote the Wattage too. I believe the power factor is fixed for the device.

ilkkachu

9:03 AM

@FaheemMitha well, a multimeter makes me think of this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fluke87-V_Multimeter.jpg

but what you need is this: amazon.de/…

@FaheemMitha and yeah, the pf is probably pretty much fixed for a given device, but the UPS doesn't know what you're plugging in to it. of course if the UPS has both figures quoted, that can help.

Faheem Mitha

@ilkkachu To be clear, I mean the PF is fixed for a specific UPS. And so (I think) the UPS manufacturer could quote Wattage instead of VA, but choose not too. But I'm not certain of that.

At any rate, some of them do quote wattage for a UPS, and I don't see how they could do that if the PF for the UPS wasn't fixed.

ilkkachu

anyway, it seems those efficiency certifications like 80 Plus also require a good enough pf (wikipedia says > 0.9 at 100 % load for 80 Plus, and the same for lower loads too for the higher certifications). So you could just assume the pf is around that, or just scale the UPS up a bit. Other than the price, it doesn't hurt to have higher rated UPS, and you get more runtime too.

@FaheemMitha no, the pf depends on the device

hmm.. lets see.

hmm 0,4 A pf 0,85 on that desktop machine sitting next to me when (mostly) idling

terdon

10:33 AM

@FaheemMitha cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness

Faheem Mitha

10:49 AM

@ilkkachu You mean what devices are hooked up to the UPS determines the PF?

If so, how to the manufacturers quote a flat wattage?

@ilkkachu What are you using to measure that?

@terdon Yes, that one. Thanks.

# cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
10

# free -h
              total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:            15G        2.9G        147M        131M         12G         12G
Swap:          8.0G        3.3G        4.7G

This is rather irritating. I seem to recall that previously the Linux kernel would soak up any memory that was going.

Bottom line - why is it using swap at all? I don't see any reason to do so.

terdon

@FaheemMitha This really is way past time to ask a question on the site.

Faheem Mitha

@terdon Hmm? You mean ask a question about this? Hasn't it been asked here already?

terdon

Has it?

If so, does it give you an answer? If not, ask.

Aug 5 '15 at 18:22, by Faheem Mitha

@JKS Post a question on the site. That's what it is there for. Don't worry, we don't bite.

Faheem Mitha

@terdon Actually, I was planning to. But thought there was a high chance that it would be closed as a dupe. Regardless, appreciate the encouragement.

terdon

If it's closed as a dupe, you'll still have your answer, right?

Faheem Mitha

10:57 AM

@terdon Everyone's favorite solution is that swappiness thing.

@terdon Not necessarily.

terdon

@FaheemMitha Then it isn't a dupe.

Faheem Mitha

You mean like those fortunate people who get their answers closed as a dupe of that Kali question?

@terdon Well, you seem not to be allowing for the possibility that it will be closed as a dupe incorrectly.

Maybe someone will write a handy question entitled - why is Debian so hard? Why won't anybody help me?

terdon

@FaheemMitha In that case it can be reopened as soon as you edit and explain how the dupe doesn't answer your question. Come on Faheem, you don't need me to explain the basic workings of SE to you!

Faheem Mitha

@terdon Well, let's hope that is how it will play out, in that event.

terdon

That is exactly how it will play out. You know how to edit ad how to explain why the potential dupe didn't work for you. And if, for some reason, that isn't enough for the community to reopen, you also know how to get your hands on a mod :)

Faheem Mitha

11:04 AM

@terdon I think you're about to say - oh you of little faith.

Stephen Kitt

@FaheemMitha We could just write a “Why is Linux so hard? Why won’t anybody help me?” Q&A, and close most questions trivially — leaving only questions for Kusalananda and schilly.

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Faheem Mitha

@StephenKitt Sounds like a plan.

@terdon Writing a question now. It's been a while - I hope I still remember how to do it.

terdon

@FaheemMitha One ~~foot~~ key after the other!

Faheem Mitha

@terdon A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

terdon

and that step is "HALP PLEAE, SO URGETN!"

Faheem Mitha

11:15 AM

@terdon LOL

Can I keep my question deleted and update till I'm ready to publish? Or does that only work for answers? I forget.

Kusalananda

@FaheemMitha Write it in an external editor instead.

Faheem Mitha

11:33 AM

@Kusalananda Yes, I do that sometimes. But writing in the browser can be convenient if one if referring a lot to other SE questions/answers.

BTW, thoughts about Bluetooth headphones with Linux?

Kusalananda

@FaheemMitha For some reason, I read that as "Bluetooth headadapters". Well, I thought, that could possibly be useful under some circumstances.

Faheem Mitha

11:56 AM

@Kusalananda headadapters?

Kusalananda

12:27 PM

Exactly.

Stephen Kitt

12:53 PM

@FaheemMitha mine work fine.

ilkkachu

1:15 PM

@FaheemMitha yes, the pf depends on the device. to quote wikipedia: "In an electric power system, a load with a low power factor draws more current than a load with a high power factor for the same amount of useful power transferred."

@FaheemMitha and yeah, I have a cheap power meter. Like the one I linked (except that amazon.de page was in German, sorry)

A headadapter sounds like something that would be useful if your head doesn't fit somewhere. Or maybe something that would be useful in studying. To adapt your head to the subject. Like if you were studying electromagnetism, that would be very useful.

Tim

2:25 PM

Hello every boy!

Is virtualbox still good for Virtual machine purpose? Or do you suggest something better?

Jesse_b

@Tim What about the girls?

Tim

My "D" is not working sometimes

Different people at SE have suggested to use KVM when I said I was using Virtualbox. At least I know Kusalaanda is using virtualbox. Not sure what Guru Kitt recommends.

Stephen Kitt

@Tim KVM

Tim

Can you explain why?

Why KVM over Virtualbox

Jesse_b

BHYVE

Stephen Kitt

2:31 PM

I’m wary of Oracle, and VMware is proprietary.

Then there are reasons which don’t apply to others: I know more people working on KVM and QEMU than on VB and VMware, so I can get fixes more easily for KVM and QEMU...

Tim

Just in terms of features and easiness to use, Is one of KVM and VirtualBox necessarily better than the other?

Let aside evilness of company temporarily

Jesse_b

I think they are both relatively easy to use. KVM performs better and virtualbox probably has more features

bhyve is superior though

Stephen Kitt

I’m not a good person to ask whether something is easy to use ;-). I’d say the easiest option is to use GNOME Boxes which sits on top of KVM by default.

But strictly between VB and KVM, VB is easier to use, KVM has better performance.

Feature-wise they’re similar.

Tim

I am not sure what you mean by " GNOME Boxes which sits on top of KVM". I have moved away from GNOME to LXDE for quite a while, because I don't have abundant RAM to afford GNOME.

I am considering virtual machine software, because I would like to occasionally use Windows under Ubuntu

If I am not asking a question now, I would have run away from some bad people who just arrived

Jesse_b

If you don't have ram for GNOME you certainly don't have ram for windows

Tim

2:47 PM

Please. I meant my RAM is too precious to run fancy stuffs of GNOME. There are more meaningful procesees waiting for their turn to use RAM

Jesse_b

@Tim What about grossly unnecessary stuffs of microsoft?

Tim

I will need Windows only when I have to use some Windows-only programs.

That helps you get the idea. So that is all I can say.

Jesse_b

DWM: Destroy whatever memory

:p I'm just being a smart ass :) I personally use windows on my home desktop

Tim

I am not as smart to figure out how to install Windows on an old laptop

Jeff Schaller

@Tim Sorry if you consider me a bad person, Tim (on the assumption it's me you're referring to).

Tim

2:53 PM

Windows is also harder for me to use.

Jesse_b

:49165584 Intentionally. As closed source software they don't want you understanding the inner workings

Tim

@JeffSchaller Does your boss know you spend so much working time on work unrelated stuffs every day?

I worry for you

Stephen Kitt

Re Boxes, see the description here — you can use it without using all of GNOME.

Jesse_b

@Tim My boss knows I spend a lot of time on here during the day but I still produce well over what is expected of me so it's never been an issue

Stephen Kitt

@Tim is that a veiled threat?

Tim

2:58 PM

No. I am not a bad person

Stephen Kitt

@Tim but you call other people bad.

Tim

I never or rearely talk bad behind others.

Stephen Kitt

@Tim I never said you did.

Tim

Relax. I will not report it to your boss.

Jesse_b

homer simpson - fight fight

►

Stephen Kitt

3:00 PM

@Tim I’m not talking about myself, you were talking about Jeff.

Tim

I never think of that way, until the "threat" comes up

Okay, no one is either absolutely bad or good. Just somewhere between.

So no fundamental difference between us.

I should have not said that at first.

Jesse_b

good and bad are relative

Tim

I just don't like the behaviours of using rules and policies to treat people badly, and the enthusiasm associated with it

Jeff Schaller

Tim, I'm afraid you have a misconception of me, just because I've voted to close some of your questions. It seems like I'm the face of some change in behavior that you see with U&L that I'm unaware of.

Jesse_b

I think @JeffSchaller is bad

BAD TO THE BONE

►

ilkkachu

3:05 PM

come on guys, stop that.

Jeff Schaller

@Tim it is NOT my intention to treat you badly. No offence, but you're not special in regards to my voting. I've voted to close over 11 thousand questions, because I thought it was the right thing to do.

@ilkkachu please let me know if there's something I'm saying that's over the line; I know there's a good amount of history and feelings around this area

Faheem Mitha

@ilkkachu In that case, I'm surprised manufacturers are able to quote wattage for a UPS. Wouldn't that depend on the PF?

@StephenKitt Also lower overhead, probably. Is KVM a more limited virtualization? Do it lock up memory?

ilkkachu

@JeffSchaller You didn't, as far as I see, but I didn't want to call names.

Stephen Kitt

@FaheemMitha no, not more limited, AFAIK. It doesn’t lock memory.

Tim

@StephenKitt chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/49165745#49165745 is not meant for you. Sorry for not specifying the recipient

ilkkachu

3:11 PM

@FaheemMitha Or they actually have limits for both the real (watts) and apparent power (VA's). I don't know.

Jesse_b

@ilkkachu Me? I thought it was pretty clear that I was joking. I hope @JeffSchaller didn't take offense

Stephen Kitt

@Tim it shouldn’t be meant for anyone, I’m rather disappointed we’ve descended to this level of discourse here :-(.

Tim

My apology

Faheem Mitha

@Jesse_b Probably not the best thing to say under the circumstances. Yes, I know you were joking.

ilkkachu

Well, Stephen said what I meant.

Faheem Mitha

3:13 PM

@StephenKitt VB does, though, correct?

Jeff Schaller

@Jesse_b no, I got a good chuckle. I just couldn't work an ed into my response :)

Jesse_b

:)

Stephen Kitt

@FaheemMitha I don’t think so... It depends what you mean by locking of course. KVM and VB allocate the memory they need for the guests, and don’t free it until the guest is shut down (short of ballooning), but they don’t lock it in the sense of making it unswappable.

Faheem Mitha

@StephenKitt That's what I meant, yes. I was speaking loosely.

I.e. the guests take the memory and the main system doesn't get it back till they are shut down.

@StephenKitt And what's your current BT adapter? I assume you are using it with Linux.

If not, then that's probably not relevant for me.

I think we've talked about BT before, but I can't remember if that came up.

Stephen Kitt

@FaheemMitha the built-in BT chip in my T450s

Faheem Mitha

3:18 PM

@StephenKitt Oh, a laptop. I guess that's why it never came up.

Stephen Kitt

@FaheemMitha yes; but you can use virtio_balloon to get memory back.

Faheem Mitha

I just bought a BT adapter for my machine. Kinivo.

Unusually, they also sell it in India. On Amazon India.

According to the guy I spoke to, they import it directly from China.

I'm not sure what the Indian ones are like, assuming that any BT adapters are made here.

Unfortunately, often even cheap electronics sold in India are manufactured in China. Which really kind of sucks.

@StephenKitt I see. Thank you.

Anyway, this BT adapter will hopefully get here tomorrow, so we'll see.

Stephen Kitt

@FaheemMitha the same is true all over the world, and not just for cheap electronics...

Jesse_b

All tools are being manufactured in china now too :(

We just lost makita which was one of the last good brands

But China does have some high quality production, it just gets overwhelmed with all the low quality stuff they produce

Faheem Mitha

@StephenKitt Which also kind of sucks.

@Jesse_b Lost Makita?

You mean it used to manufacture in the US, and no longer does?

Jesse_b

3:24 PM

@FaheemMitha Makita is a Japanese tool brand that made some really nice things but they are moving most of their manufacturing to China now

There are still a few German manufacturers making stuff but I don't think anything is being made in the US anymore

Faheem Mitha

@Jesse_b Oh. Cost cutting? And that's a bad thing, I suppose?

@Jesse_b Germans make lots of stuff. They're the bigger exporters in the world, per capita, I believe.

I think they used to be No 1 in the world, until they were overtaken by China.

Though I'm a bit surprised that the US wasn't in that position. But I suppose that depends on how you measure things.

@Jesse_b And it's not true that the US doesn't manufacture anything.

But a lot of high visibility stuff does get made in China.

Jesse_b

@FaheemMitha Yeah I mean I don't think we manufacture any well known tools anyway. Some stanely hand tools claim to be made in the US but it typically will say "manufactured in the USA with foreign materials"

which can mean the tool was actually molded in china and then simply put together here

Faheem Mitha

@Jesse_b Yes, I don't know about tools. But wouldn't larger stuff be impractical to manufacture in a larger country?

@Jesse_b Yes, I see what you mean.

Jesse_b

Most US car manufacturers make a lot of their stuff in Mexico

those are fairly big

Faheem Mitha

But I suppose the USA still makes lots of things. Like boots, and tractors, and earth moving machinery, and cars and...

Jesse_b

3:31 PM

With the cost of shipping, japanese cars often are cheaper than american cars

Faheem Mitha

@Jesse_b Well, relatively.

@Jesse_b Stanley?

@ilkkachu So I should get a power meter, not a multimeter?

Jesse_b

@FaheemMitha "Stanley black and decker" they are one of the largest tool manufacturers. They make...stanley, black and decker, dewalt, irwin, and a few other big names as well as dozens of smaller names

Faheem Mitha

@Jesse_b The result of a lot of mergers, I suppose.

Jesse_b

Yeah the tool industry, just like any other industry is subject to the biggest companies only getting bigger

sort of like how Dell has bought almost all major technology companies

Faheem Mitha

Once upon a time Black & Decker was its own company.

Jesse_b

3:40 PM

There are 3 or 4 manufacturers that own pretty much all the well recognized brands

popularmechanics.com/technology/gear/a28359/…

Faheem Mitha

Part of the reason I got the BT adapter is that I reckoned that copying files between a computer and a smartphone would be easier via BT than, say, MTP/PTP, which seems the prevalent wired option. Does any concur or disagree? I found MTP kind of a pain to deal with.

Jesse_b

Similar thing with foods (in the US anyway) I saw an infographic once about how almost every food brand is owned by one of 3 or 4 companies as well

Faheem Mitha

@Jesse_b That's scary.

Jesse_b

What's even more scary is that those parent companies often have a parent themselves

The company I used to work for (sumitomo) owns most of Japan, they make everything from tires to trains, they are in banking and dozens of other industries

Faheem Mitha

@Jesse_b Owns most of Japan?

What about antitrust?

Jesse_b

3:44 PM

@FaheemMitha They in some way own most companies that exist in Japan, whether directly or through another company that they also own

@FaheemMitha ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Faheem Mitha

@Jesse_b Oh.

Jesse_b

I wont pretend to be an expert on the legality of it. I'm just a guy wearing a tinfoil hat and ranting on the internet

Stephen Kitt

That’s quite common in Japan, they’re called keiretsu.

Keiretsu

A keiretsu (Japanese: 系列, literally system, series, grouping of enterprises, order of succession) is a set of companies with interlocking business relationships and shareholdings. It is a type of informal business group. The keiretsu maintained dominance over the Japanese economy for the second half of the 20th century, and into a lesser extend, the early 21st century. The member's companies own small portions of the shares in each other's companies, centered on a core bank; this system helps insulate each company from stock market fluctuations and takeover attempts, thus enabling long-term planning...

ilkkachu

@FaheemMitha well, yeah. But like I said, it's not bad if the UPS is rated for more than you strictly need.

Faheem Mitha

> After World War II, the Japanese zaibatsu conglomerates, including Sumitomo, were dissolved by the GHQ and the Japanese government.

With the holding company dissolved, the group reformed as a keiretsu, a group of independent companies organized around The Sumitomo Bank (now Sumitomo Mitsui Banking Corporation) and bound together by cross shareholding.

@ilkkachu Sure, but they seem really expensive here. So I was wondering if I was missing something.

ilkkachu

3:46 PM

yeah :/

Faheem Mitha

UPS's, I mean. So I thought maybe I should try to size the UPS for my needs.

ilkkachu

just make sure to measure the maximum load, not just idle... (a good meter would record the max, too)

Faheem Mitha

@ilkkachu Sure.

ilkkachu

I'm only saying to cover my behind.

Anything I say comes with no warranty whatsoever, not even an implied warranty of general usefulness. You can get your money back by filing form D-34b in triplicate, offer valid as long as the rearlights are still visible.

Faheem Mitha

What kind of wattage would a tower machine with a few fans, two SSDs, two hard drives and a CPU current around 2012/2013 pull?

Stephen Kitt

3:50 PM

@ilkkachu especially since shutting a system down properly can cause it to use more energy.

Faheem Mitha

@ilkkachu Consider your behind covered. :-)

ilkkachu

@StephenKitt ungh, that's a hideous thought.

Faheem Mitha

@ilkkachu You might want to consider issuing your advice under the GPL.

Stephen Kitt

@FaheemMitha you’d have to be more specific, 2013 CPUs have power requirements varying between 20W and 200W ;-).

Faheem Mitha

MB SABERTOOTH 990FX R2.0. CPU: AMD FX(tm)-6300 Six-Core Processor

Also 16 GB memory.

Probably a borderline museum piece.

ilkkachu

3:55 PM

:D

Jeff Schaller

Ugh, BMC

Stephen Kitt

@FaheemMitha give powersupplycalculator.net a shot, it should give you an idea; ideally you’d measure it yourself though (but if you don’t have a power meter that would mean buying more stuff which would be counter-productive). Ironically, your UPS will tell you, once you’ve got it.

ilkkachu

Of course it depends on what you do, but anything less than around 10 years old (except the really low end that was crap to begin with) is still really useful. Computers have been "fast enough" for a while now, even though sometimes it seems that web pages do try to eat all the computing power they can.

Apparently, I could still buy an FX-6300 from the store. Hmm.

Tim

4:14 PM

If I may ask, does LVM have no up to date official documents? sourceware.org/lvm2

Faheem Mitha

@StephenKitt I don't mind buying a power meter, but buying stuff online is hard, if you don't know what you are doing. I guess I could buy one locally. And you must be around a better class of UPS then what I'm used to. My current one has no display whatever.

Stephen Kitt

@Tim only the manpages, really (unfortunately).

Jeff Schaller

@Tim it seems to me the "best" links were for the man pages or README files, which apparently landed at sourceware.org/git/?p=lvm2.git;a=tree ; I found a github.com/lvmteam/lvm2 but I'm unaware of the connection there

Stephen Kitt

@FaheemMitha can you connect to it using something like NUT?

Jesse_b

@Kusalananda: One of the best things about this gel wrist rest (it's weight and stickiness) is also a pitfall. I can't simply slide it out of the way when I need room on my desk

Kusalananda

4:18 PM

@Jesse_b It has priority.

Faheem Mitha

@StephenKitt I don't know. I'm not sure what NUT is.

Jesse_b

@Kusalananda :p but right now my morning yogurt had priority

Stephen Kitt

@FaheemMitha networkupstools.org

Faheem Mitha

@StephenKitt Ok.

Stephen Kitt

@FaheemMitha if NUT can connect to your UPS, it will often show power measurements even if your UPS doesn’t have a display.

Faheem Mitha

4:21 PM

@StephenKitt Yes, I see.

@StephenKitt Is Network UPS Tools a standard? Should I check my UPS against it?

Stephen Kitt

@FaheemMitha not a standard, but the most widely-used free software UPS management tool

ilkkachu

the first question is, does the UPS have a USB port or a serial port to control it

the second is, if it's supported by NUT or something else.

Stephen Kitt

If any of that is important to you, buy a UPS tagged in green here.

(Budget permitting of course.)

Faheem Mitha

@StephenKitt Ok, I'll check compatability.

@StephenKitt It might be important.

ilkkachu

I have one small and cheap APC UPS that doesn't have any control connection whatsoever. All others I've seen have had it, even the relatively small SOHO units

Faheem Mitha

4:24 PM

@ilkkachu Isn't a USB port a given these days?

@StephenKitt No Indian manufacturs listed, that I can see. Yay.

Jeff Schaller

gitlab.com/esr/upside seems pertinent here; I've only heard of it

Stephen Kitt

@JeffSchaller ESR /o\

Jeff Schaller

@StephenKitt is that "hurray" or "oh my!" ?

Faheem Mitha

Might be oh crap.

ilkkachu

"On [date] I published a blog rant ..." -- yeah, now that's a great start.

Stephen Kitt

4:28 PM

@JeffSchaller hurray is \o/, oh my is /o\

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Paulo Roberto

hello again guys! how things going

Jeff Schaller

@StephenKitt thanks for the translation :)

I was imagining you'd enjoy the open-source aspect

Faheem Mitha

Raymond is kind of a wackjob. Generally best avoided.

Probably a talented wackjob. But regardless...

Among other things, not very good at staying with his projects.

Paulo Roberto

does anyone here did used Genymotion?

ilkkachu

then, "open-hardware UPS"...

Somehow, an UPS doesn't seem like something you'd think most people would want to build themselves. Or want to suggest they build.

Paulo Roberto

4:31 PM

it is ok to post a "my OS freezes when i am using Genymotion and it shows error" related? on unix.stackexchange

i wasnt getting that crashes on elementaryOS

Faheem Mitha

@PauloRoberto Certainly.

Weren't you here the other day?

Prabhjot Singh

@PauloRoberto Using Linux mint ?

Have you tried ? forums.linuxmint.com

Faheem Mitha

@PauloRoberto Give the error, obviously.

Paulo Roberto

i tried on the forum

@FaheemMitha no need, its on all of them

the simple fact of getting a error make everything freeze, any of them

Faheem Mitha

@PauloRoberto I don't follow.

Paulo Roberto

4:37 PM

if you see clearly you will think that the problem is related to how genymotion emulator handles when a expo error occur

but the fact that it was not happening on another os makes me think twice

maybe its about compatibility of genymotion with linux mint.. maybe..

well there is a lot of variables on that

Prabhjot Singh

genymotion.com/help/desktop/faq

It still crackles sometimes but its a big improvement.

So what is improvement ?

forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=186890

Paulo Roberto

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Q: Expo errors at Genymotion does crash/freeze OS with some frequence

Well, i dont have sure if that is related to Linux Mint, Expo or Genymotion (or both of three). But since i dont know i do have to post something here and also i did on Genymotion related forums and on Expo forum. The fact is that my OS is getting totally frozen right when any Expo error occur, ...

if does anyone wanna help and want detailed info

tried to contact genymotion support got no answer yet

the FAQ is like, oh you are facing freezes? update your video card driver! woa

dumb

hahaha

Prabhjot Singh

Your question is on Linux mint forum.

itspauloroberto.

Paulo Roberto

4:53 PM

yeah it is

it is on linux mint forum, expo forum, on genymotion inbox, and now on stack overflow

thinking about in bringing it on on the slack of regional devs from here hmh

Kusalananda

6:49 PM

Can a question be locked to prevent further edits from the user who asked it?

This one keeps changing under my feet: unix.stackexchange.com/questions/502326/…

I'll just leave it.

Jeff Schaller

@Kusalananda a lock is the closest thing I can think of (unix.stackexchange.com/help/locked-posts), or waiting until they're done and rolling back, if applicable.

Kusalananda

@JeffSchaller I'll just leave it and come back to it later.

Jeff Schaller

@Kusalananda good choice

Kusalananda

@JeffSchaller Also commented:

@FereshTeh Sorry, you are changing the text in the question constantly. It's difficult to write an answer that is consistent, because with each edit you invalidate the answer I've just written. I can't answer an ever-changing question. I suggest that you check your files against the MD5 file that you also have. If that checks out ok, and if you have enough file space to store the extracted archive, it should work. You now have all the tools you need. Anything else will have to be a new question, or a matter for your system administrators. — Kusalananda 8 mins ago

Jeff Schaller

Helpful and clearly drawing a line; well done :)

Jesse_b

6:59 PM

I wonder what the purpose of encrypting a file is if you are going to paste the passphrase in a stack exchange comment

I've flagged it for deletion

Kusalananda

@Jesse_b I did too.

Well, she's happy enough

Thanks a lot again, have a nice weekend ahead. Thank you for helping me more than I expect and sorry for being too much silly in questioning — Feresh Teh 2 mins ago

Jesse_b

:)

Prabhjot Singh

Wat up?

Jesse_b

@PrabhjotSingh Hey Prabhjot, how goes it?

Kusalananda

@Jesse_b ... the comment, that is.

Jesse_b

7:02 PM

@Kusalananda Yeah, same

I had a user suggest deletion on this answer I think I should allow it :(

Jeff Schaller

@Jesse_b has it been deleted? if not, and more votes will help, I'd be happy to

Prabhjot Singh

@Jesse_b Very Busy these days. Hope will get some time after a month.

Jeff Schaller

@Jesse_b I VTC-went away on that one

Jesse_b

@JeffSchaller fourth comment on @Kusalananda's answer

Jeff Schaller

@Jesse_b the stuff starting with 884?

Jesse_b

7:04 PM

Yeah I believe that is their encryption passphrase

I'm sure not much can be done with it without knowing a lot of additional information but still seems not right to be out there

Jeff Schaller

also flagged

I suspect it'll hit terdon's desk

> If a comment with zero votes and no trigger keywords (see below) is flagged by three users, it will be automatically deleted

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A: How does comment voting and flagging work?

Some parts of this answer are taken from the 2009 Stack Overflow blog post Comments: Now with Flags and Votes. Note that flagging has changed considerably since that blog post. Comment votes You need 15 reputation to upvote comments. Upvote a comment by clicking on the up arrow that appe...

Kusalananda

@terdon If you see the above, the key was also part of the actual question at one point early. I'm not 100% certain it's terribly important, but if it's easy to delete a revision, that should maybe be done...

Jesse_b

@JeffSchaller I can't even delete my answer because it's accepted :(

I hope they are just concerned with the email address which I would think wont cause too much spam and will serve as a lesson in sanitizing data before posting online, but I'm not too familiar with spark so I'm not sure if any of the other information should be private

@PrabhjotSingh Being busy is good. Free time is overrated. It is something I fantasize about occasionally but never feel good about after I've had it. I would rather have done something productive

Jeff Schaller

@Jesse_b might try leaving a comment asking them to unaccept, in which case the system will eventually delete the post

oooh, it's an unregistered user; hmm

I'm so dumb. There's a "delete" link on the Q itself. I've voted.

terdon

@Kusalananda Heh, oddly enough, your ping came just as I was finishing answering a question from the same user on another site!

I tend to feel that if the user wants to delete, they should ask for it. After all, this is no longer a private key, even if I delete it.

And this isn't all that private. It gives access to a collection of publicly sequenced genome data from the 1000 genomes project.

Oh, hang on, do you mean the comment only?

Or was it also in the body of the question?

Jesse_b

7:20 PM

@terdon We flagged the comment but apparently it was also in an earlier version of the question

Jeff Schaller

if it's what I'm seeing, it's also in v11

but if it's semi-public, I'm less worried about it

terdon

I dunno if it's semi public as such, you guys are right that perhaps it's the user's own key which they registered with the public org.

But, you know, it's already been indexed by google so there's little point in anything we do.

Kusalananda

@JeffSchaller I think the later edit was the contents of the MD5 file. Not important. I edited it out, then rolled it back when I read it more carefolly.

terdon

OK, I'll be honest. The mod-only redaction tool is hell to use and I never get it right. And it also needs approval from another mod. So I'm always reluctant to use it.

But OK, I'll go look up the docs and try the thing again :)

Kusalananda

I wouldn't worry.

Well, you need to know how to use those tools anyways. So, good exercise.

@terdon Oh, the bioinfo site, presumably?

terdon

7:31 PM

yes

@Kusalananda Believe me, I've tried. They're really confusing. But there's a new version and better docs now, so it might just work!

Jeff Schaller

7:49 PM

terdon if you're around and bored, you might consider a delete vote (or whatever nuke-from-orbit powers you have) on unix.stackexchange.com/questions/501939/…

it appears the user posted the original with an unregisterd account, then came in with a 2nd one, named like the email address in the post, so it seems (to me) to be the OP trying to get rid of it

Kusalananda

I voted on that one.

terdon

I just rolled it back

Kusalananda

Gone

terdon

Why?

Jeff Schaller

They say "some other reasons", I suspect either shame for missing the "exit 1" or because it had their email address (guessing)

terdon

7:53 PM

Oh wow, I just saw what the issue was. "My script exits when I tell it to exit, why is that happening" is admittedly not a very useful question.

Jeff Schaller

thanks!

it wasn't going to get auto-deleted because of the accepted answer, and the original user was unlikely to come back

terdon

But as a general rule, we don't delete stuff just because the OP wants to. The idea is that after you've posted, you've licensed your content to SE. You still own it, but SE have every right to keep it and not let you delete. So if people have put effort into answering and/or the question is useful, we'll usually keep it even if the OP doesn't want us to.

Jesse_b

I was pretty proud of my answer on that one >.> but if it had some of their private data in it I understand

terdon

So go ahead and delete if the deletion makes the site better, but don't delete if it makes it poorer even if the OP wants you to.

Kusalananda

@terdon In this case, only @Jesse_b's efforts were what was suffering I think.

Jeff Schaller

7:58 PM

Hopefully Jesse_b will continue to contribute to the site :)

Jesse_b

eh nobody really wants that :p

But I will anyway