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12:02 AM

@MichaelHomer Thanks! +1 Reading the docs!

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10:46 AM

@Fabby do not ask questions like as sissy counts? :_PPP messing around with ya.

11:22 AM

@Fabby Also wrote my own:

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A: What else can I do to make my question well-received and improve my chances of getting answers?

To write a good, welcomed question, I would advise: not addressing several subjects at once, in a single question; researching the facts behorehand; making an honest effort to understand and solve the question at hand, before asking it; being brief but comprehensive; keeping on topic to the...

@RuiFRibeiro +1

especially: be part of the regular users of this community

@Fabby ;)

Huh, I thought there would more old farts here that would appreciate this answer

@Fabby getting data from /dev/random also is fantastic for some iOTs for killing some time ;)

11:37 AM

@RuiFRibeiro :D I could have added an endless loop to to kill time! That's the ultimate time killer!

@Fabby Still on time ;)

@RuiFRibeiro:

> Consider investing on a permanent user ?

11:59 AM

@FaheemMitha why not?

@RuiFRibeiro I don't understand what that means.

If I quote something without comment, that's usually what I mean.

@FaheemMitha Should be "in"....anyway, changed the wording in the answer.

> Consider in creating a permanent user to:

I see. Remove "in", and that is approximately standard English. Though it would be better to write:

@FaheemMitha Already took the in.-... my answers are a bit dynamic ;)

> Consider creating a permanent user id to:

12:03 PM

@FaheemMitha added id, thanks.

@RuiFRibeiro Good, useful, concise answer.

> bringing it in a professional tone as much as you can achieve;

Maybe better:

> writing in a professional fashion;

Though I'm not sure what professional means in this context.

@FaheemMitha Not using coloquial/informal language for starters

@RuiFRibeiro Ok. Maybe say that explicitly, then.

@FaheemMitha Could mean other things too....often when you cut out 3 to 5 layers of begging, the question ends up being a one or two liner. :(

@RuiFRibeiro Begging?

12:09 PM

@FaheemMitha help me, I am unable to do this, I need your HELPPPP

Oh, you mean like - please help or I don't know what to do?

@RuiFRibeiro Yes, I see.

@FaheemMitha yep.

@RuiFRibeiro Well, maybe expand a bit on the professional thing. It's not immediately obvious what that means.

@FaheemMitha I am new to this....

@FaheemMitha bah.

@FaheemMitha I do not know if I want to go down that lane.... might try later on at home.

@RuiFRibeiro It's not important.

12:13 PM

@FaheemMitha I often wonder how well you cab drivers would greet you...." I am new to driving, I do not have a slightest idea how to do it... Please, help me. Please Mr cab driver, take me to xxxx. I wil appreciate it a lot..." ;-PPPPP

@FaheemMitha Forgive my dark humor, lol

@RuiFRibeiro I don't follow.

@FaheemMitha Back here with our culture, they would send me in non uncertain words to sod off...

@RuiFRibeiro What is the context, again?

@FaheemMitha nvmind, just being obtuse. Lunch!

@RuiFRibeiro You might mean obscure.

12:15 PM

@FaheemMitha Pancit today....my wife's. C ya later on.

@RuiFRibeiro Pancit?

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1:51 PM

@FaheemMitha g.co/kgs/rBAHWa

2:07 PM

@Kusalananda Both seem equally plausible. I don't know what the OP really wanted.

2:51 PM

@terdon If it should be closed, it should be closed as unclear, not as a dupe of a question that may be unrelated.

3:04 PM

@Kusalananda Oh, it's been closed?

Reopened

3:41 PM

@RuiFRibeiro Oh, food.

I don't understand how one can make a living from being a food blogger.

Surely ads can't be that profitable.

Bonjour everyone

4:26 PM

@FaheemMitha yeah, filipino food. Kinda of chinese noodles, but with rice and not flour.

@Fabby Messed up my Debian Kali style lol....on purpose....

Received an answer from a 2015 email....

@PrabhjotSingh Hi. Off to the hospital now. Back in a bit.

And English greetings are ok too.

4:46 PM

@FaheemMitha How are you ?

1 hour later…

5:54 PM

@RuiFRibeiro :O Debian with Kali tools?

1 hour later…

6:59 PM

Silly users dreaming up highly elaborate "solutions" to problems that don't exists, making their script fragile and awkward.

7:15 PM

@PrabhjotSingh Not good, but thank you for asking.

@FaheemMitha why not good ?

@PrabhjotSingh My mother is very sick.

And Indian hospitals - at least the one I am in, are super scary places.

Though actually, now I think of it, you work in a hospital yourself, don't you?

@FaheemMitha Yes, but do people have choices here ?

@PrabhjotSingh I don't understand what you mean.

@FaheemMitha Yes, I am from that field. But people don't have choices. Everybody these days wants to make money. Ours was a very noble job once.

7:29 PM

@PrabhjotSingh Oh, you mean you need to do something?

@FaheemMitha Yes, I am trained for this field. I can't do anything else. No experience in some other field . That apart, patients too are intoxicated with money. Even for simple diseases they wasn't tests .

@PrabhjotSingh Intoxicated with money? Again, I'm not sure what you mean. And you mean "want tests"?

How x Ray's are different from radiotherapy ? But people with minor they want x Ray's. Sometimes docs are okay without tests but not patients.

Unfortunately I have no medical background. Right now it would come in useful. But I'm pretty sure I would hate being a doctor. It would be really upsetting to deal with all that fear and suffering. Which I suppose is why doctors are the way they are. At least India.

They can take the fear and suffering because they don't really care that much.

@PrabhjotSingh I definitely don't demand doctors run tests on me.

@FaheemMitha Yes, they have enough of money. Because of this they think they can understand everything.

7:35 PM

@PrabhjotSingh I don't see how that follows.

@FaheemMitha Rich people think tests are necessary and they more than docs.

@PrabhjotSingh I see. I don't think that, personally. But tests are certainly useful up to a point.

@FaheemMitha Even these days from rural areas people thank them with folded hands .

If my mother had been getting testing regularly, we wouldn't be experiencing this terrible nightmare.

@PrabhjotSingh It's certainly possible to do too much testing. But I think in India, it skews heavily towards too little testing.

Mostly because people don't have the money, of course.

But also doctors don't tell them to do regular testing.

I actually said as much to a doctor, and his response was quite weird. He said that if a doctor suggests testing, people think he is up to something "shady".

And of course a lot of doctors, at least in India, get kickbacks from referrals. Is kickbacks the right term?

@FaheemMitha Yes, I agree. But kickbacks is a term that is used mostly in big deals

7:47 PM

@PrabhjotSingh You agree to what? That patients think something is wrong if a doctor suggests doing tests?

Today. I mean yesterday's Indian Express 's front page has a story of kickbacks in Augusta Westland chopper deal

@FaheemMitha Yes, and most of the times their thinking would be right. They call it incentives if not mistaken.

@PrabhjotSingh You think so?

@FaheemMitha It's a open secret. Everyone knows this. But my submission is that not every doc gets kickbacks.

You think that if a doctor is suggesting tests, their motives are purely mercenary/improper?

Still there are docs with good character.

7:51 PM

@PrabhjotSingh I wish I could meet some of them.

@FaheemMitha Many times . But rarely patients need tests. URTIs or diarrhoea need not tests . But some docs prefer tests for that. Or worse patients demand many times.

@PrabhjotSingh But unless the doctor has a prearrangement with the testing lab, how does it profit him/her?

Of course, sometimes doctors tell you to go to such and such place, in which case I suppose their motives are suspect.

@FaheemMitha We live in a neo liberal society.

@PrabhjotSingh What does that mean?

@FaheemMitha Labs or scan centres in times like these have PRs. They cover whole region.

7:57 PM

@PrabhjotSingh PRs?

You mean the doctor automatically gets money, no matter where the patient goes?

@FaheemMitha I doubt you don't know what I said

That seems a little unlikely to me. For one thing, India isn't that organized.

@PrabhjotSingh I'm not even sure what this sentence means.

@FaheemMitha Public Relations .

@PrabhjotSingh Ok.

@FaheemMitha Then you don't know about India much. Or Punjab is worse.

8:01 PM

@PrabhjotSingh I'm not saying you are wrong. Just that it seems unlikely.

To be clear, lets say I go to doctor A who says, do such and such test. Then I go to lab B to do the test. Are you saying that doctor A will get money from lab B even though I chose lab B with no feedback from the doctor?

now I again say that We live in a neo liberal society.
Still doubt about that ?

@PrabhjotSingh I'm not sure what you mean by neo liberal.

@FaheemMitha You go anywhere in your area. Doesn't matter. Everything is connected. And how this is different from liberalization ?

@PrabhjotSingh What do you mean by liberalization?

In liberalization capital flows from one destination to other freely.

8:05 PM

@PrabhjotSingh I see.

This allows free movement of technology and money but not free movement of people.

Neoliberalism or neo-liberalism is the 20th-century resurgence of 19th-century ideas associated with laissez-faire economic liberalism. Those ideas include economic liberalization policies such as privatization, austerity, deregulation, free trade and reductions in government spending in order to increase the role of the private sector in the economy and society. These market-based ideas and the policies they inspired constitute a paradigm shift away from the post-war Keynesian consensus which lasted from 1945 to 1980.English-speakers have used the term "neoliberalism" since the start of the 20th...

@PrabhjotSingh Yes, I take your point.

@FaheemMitha I could be wrong. I am younger than you. So I beg your forgiveness if I am wrong.

Chomsky made some remarks along the lines that standard/traditional economics assumes that capital is immobile and people are mobile, but in fact these days exactly the opposite is true.

@PrabhjotSingh Wrong about what?

@FaheemMitha If my interpretation of neoliberalization is wrong.

8:09 PM

@PrabhjotSingh Sounds at least plausible to me.

@FaheemMitha Frankly I said what I felt. Chomsky and Picketty I have not enough knowledge to understand them.

@PrabhjotSingh There isn't much to understand. Try reading Chomsky's "Understanding Power".

@FaheemMitha I read 7 -8 years back manufacturing consent, if I remember correctly.

@PrabhjotSingh That's a much harder read. Try "Understanding Power".

It's extracts from interviews. An easy read.

@FaheemMitha your friendship is expansive.

8:13 PM

@PrabhjotSingh Pardon?

Sure I will read this .

I'm not that familiar with Chomsky's work myself. He's written a lot of stuff.

6 mins ago, by Faheem Mitha

Chomsky made some remarks along the lines that standard/traditional economics assumes that capital is immobile and people are mobile, but in fact these days exactly the opposite is true.

@PrabhjotSingh Yes, that's from "Understanding Power".

@Fabby No, Stable with some Unstable packages....openvas is definitivelly brain-damaged in Stretch and I am not fancying compiling it.

8:17 PM

People can move more freely than before. No doubt about it. Chomsky is right . But not as much as regimes across globe claim. But capital moves freely these days. So he is wrong.

@FaheemMitha So question is answered now. Or still doubts chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/47697082#47697082

@PrabhjotSingh You most me. He's right and he is wrong.

Hello @RuiFRibeiro

@FaheemMitha Most me ?

@PrabhjotSingh Well, you didn't reply clearly. But if I understand you correctly, you are saying that any doctor will get money from a testing center if you do a test there that he/she prescribed.

And I'm not saying you're wrong. I don't know.

It still seems unlikely to me.

@FaheemMitha Bombay is better place than ours .

@PrabhjotSingh Sorry, what I meant to say is that you first said that he's right, and then that he's wrong. Which is he?

8:23 PM

@FaheemMitha Chomsky.

@PrabhjotSingh At least confirm that what I understand you to be saying is correct.

@PrabhjotSingh Yes, I know we are talking about Chomsky. That wasn't my point.

@FaheemMitha ok

@FaheemMitha You said opposite is true. Means free movement of capital and technology but not of people.

Yes

@PrabhjotSingh Yes what?

@PrabhjotSingh No, I mean the referral thing.

7 mins ago, by Faheem Mitha

@PrabhjotSingh Well, you didn't reply clearly. But if I understand you correctly, you are saying that any doctor will get money from a testing center if you do a test there that he/she prescribed.

Do I understand you correctly? Yes or no?

And to be more explicit, regardless whether the doctor referred the patient to that testing center or not.

@FaheemMitha Yes, correctly.

@PrabhjotSingh Ok.

I really hope that isn't true. If it is, the medical profession in India is in even worse shape than I thought. And what I think it bad enough.

8:33 PM

@FaheemMitha Problem doesn't lie with docs only. There are kickbacks for everyone. These people are just reflection of our society, a neo liberal one.

@FaheemMitha It is possible that Bombay is a better place than ours. So what you think could be right

@PrabhjotSingh Well, ok. But this presumes a degree of organized corruption that is beyond anything I've observed.

@PrabhjotSingh I would not bet on that. It's terrible here. You should see the hospital I'm in. It's frightening. And what is even more frightening is that I'm not sure any other local hospital is better.

I'm wondering what would happen if I got sick. At least my mother has/had me. Who do I have?

@FaheemMitha where in the world corruption is unorganized ?

@PrabhjotSingh There are places which are less corrupt. For example, the Scandinavian countries.

@PrabhjotSingh Oi. So what´s up? Having dinner.

@FaheemMitha Medical colleges are better place . There you don't see this happening.

8:37 PM

@PrabhjotSingh You mentioned that already.

@RuiFRibeiro It 's 2 am . 7 hours after dinner.

But I'm not sure how I would get medical help from there. Most people aren't interested in your troubles anyway. You know how it is.

@PrabhjotSingh Well here is still 0830PM

@RuiFRibeiro :D Now I get the joke!

@FaheemMitha Not every doc is bad. There are some with integrity.

8:39 PM

@PrabhjotSingh I'm sure there are. But how do I find them?

@Fabby Yeah, mixing versions.....and not in a good way.

@RuiFRibeiro I upvoted yours and Fabby 's answer. But tell me about permanent Id.

@FaheemMitha Well, depends on chances.

@PrabhjotSingh Many users are just using disposable 1 rep users.... Your questions might get more noticed if you have some rep, and you are able to do more things, namely commenting. We might also know more about what you are about to from context.

@RuiFRibeiro ok. They ask one question and go.

@PrabhjotSingh I just means the users are not registered on the system.

@PrabhjotSingh No, not necessarily.

If they are not registered, their records are just stored on a website cookie, which can get wiped at any time.

8:43 PM

@PrabhjotSingh Yep. AKA "Drive-by questions"

@FaheemMitha yeah.

On Ask Ubuntu they even leave their email address to contact them directly. (We always edit it out)

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@RuiFRibeiro I still can't comment on others questions.

@PrabhjotSingh 50 or 100 rep needed, cannot remember.

@RuiFRibeiro 50.

8:45 PM

@PrabhjotSingh very easy to get if you want to.

@PrabhjotSingh You should just get more rep.

@RuiFRibeiro The first 50 is hardest.

Try answering some questions.

the second 50 is a bit easier.

Accepted edits give you points until 1K I think.

8:46 PM

@RuiFRibeiro How ? I need only 50. I would be on the top of the world.

@PrabhjotSingh Answer questions.

@PrabhjotSingh Like RUI said: Edit bad spelling and formatting of new users.

@Fabby I will start from tomorrow editing.

Edit points from accepted edits work till you are 1K, I think. After that, no more points.

@FaheemMitha I know nothing about linux. I only use linux. And only linux not other os.

8:49 PM

@PrabhjotSingh :-)

@RuiFRibeiro No, till 2 or 3k, I think. Basically when you no longer need permission to edit.

@FaheemMitha 2k then... pretty sure it is not 3k.

@PrabhjotSingh Few here are experts. We just answer questions. They might not be good answers. But you also learn by trying to answer questions.

@FaheemMitha I don't lie . I Know nothing, honestly.

@PrabhjotSingh We all started somewhere.

8:51 PM

@PrabhjotSingh You can learn. We all started somewhere.

@RuiFRibeiro Yes, I will try but after editing.

And SE is a much better place to learn than the options pre SE, which were, basically, sit and stare at the screen by yourself, or ask the people working near you, or a friend (or friends), if you have any.

@FaheemMitha Books for me....

I've got most of my emails from the 1990s when I was trying to learn computer stuff, and they make extremely depressing reading.

@RuiFRibeiro Sure, but you can't talk to a book. They can be useful for reference, certainly. Or documentation in general.

@FaheemMitha Or for reading, you know ;-P

8:54 PM

@RuiFRibeiro Well, yes.

@FaheemMitha TCP/IP illustrated, the protocols, Stevens, I might have read it like 10, or more, times cover to cover...

Books are useful up to a point. But for one thing, you have to extremely patient to read and understand them. Misunderstandings can persist. And sometimes authors can be wrong.

Basically, they are non-interactive.

They can useful to get to the basics. But then if you run into problems, you often need to talk to someone.

I remember trying to learn TeX/LaTeX was particularly nightmarish. That's not an area that lends itself well to books. Too many little things to know.

@FaheemMitha I got annoyed in my first gig as network/sysadmin for knowing so little in my 1st year, and in the 2nd year read all the books in the University library about the subject....and they were not few. In a certain moment, as I had privileged access, I could have like 10-15 books with me, was reading like 5 or 6 books PER WEEK. I was new and dumb....lol

@RuiFRibeiro You sound very hardworking.

I'm not so energetic.

@FaheemMitha Let´s say my parents were doubting my sanity....

8:58 PM

@RuiFRibeiro Why? If you want to learn, you have to put some work into it.

I've read plenty of books in my life. Not that it's done me much good.

@FaheemMitha Well, it payed off. At the end of the year moved to a consulting gig paying 5x times more in our main city.

@RuiFRibeiro Congratulations.

@FaheemMitha Anyone will doubt your sanity if you spend all time reading books and carrying books around...

@RuiFRibeiro That's kind of what academics do. At least some of them.

More more on the Humanities side, I suppose.

@FaheemMitha Reading them on public transportation and at home all the time...lol

9:00 PM

@RuiFRibeiro Sounds efficient. But be careful not to get eye strain.

@FaheemMitha Knowadays not so much. My eyes are fine though.

Ok.

@FaheemMitha Tbat was the IT year....I also spend another different year reading English novels and attending English lessons after work and over the weekends. Made 9 levels of english in one year.

@RuiFRibeiro Wow.

What are levels of English?

level 9 to 16 or something like that. Cannot remember all details..

@FaheemMitha Paid schooling

@FaheemMitha After that, I went expat.

9:06 PM

@RuiFRibeiro Expat? You mean you left Portugal?

@FaheemMitha Bah. After that, I turned into network adminstrator, and expat afterwards.

@FaheemMitha yep, 6 years in Africa.

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