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4:00 PM

TIL: using a gdm3 + systemd + xfce configuration, you cannot start a user session when the root partition is full

found culprit... I think:

 /etc/gdm3/Xsession[1872]: mkdtemp: private socket dir: No space left on device

Fabby

@Braiam Isn't that the case regardless of the version of *nix you're using?

Braiam

@Fabby no, x sessions should be able to start even with a read-only root partition, so failing because it lacks disk space is ridiculous

derobert

5:18 PM

Apparently Michael Niedermayer is stepping down from ffmpeg... lwn.net/Articles/653079

casey

5:47 PM

@Braiam the partition containing /tmp, not necessarily the root partition

Faheem Mitha

6:08 PM

@derobert Oh, that's a shame.

Braiam

6:34 PM

@casey tmp is a tmpfs on my system, so that shouldn't affect it

or maybe is not...

> * Don't mount /tmp as tmpfs by default and make it possible to enable this
feature via "systemctl enable tmp.mount".

GREAT!

Faheem Mitha

Is it just me, or does mpv not work properly on jessie?

Braiam

@FaheemMitha blame libav->ffmpeg migration, it works fine on testing through

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam Oh. Hmm. Have you tried it on jessie?

derobert

I run it on jessie all the time. But I have the deb-multimedia version...

anyway, heading home

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Oh. Does that play nice with jessie?

derobert

6:44 PM

@FaheemMitha yes

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Ok. I might give that a try.

derobert

well, as much as it plays nice with anything. Actually haven't had it cause any breakage for a while now.

Faheem Mitha

Actually, I don't see it in apt-cache policy mpv. Is it called mpv?

Oh, I see I'm still using the wheezy deb-multimedia.

Braiam

> * Stop installing tmp.mount by default; there are still situations where it
becomes active through dependencies from other units, which is surprising,
hides existing data in /tmp during runtime, and it isn't safe to have a
tmpfs /tmp on every install scenario. (Closes: #783509)
- d/rules: Ship tmp.mount in /usr/share/systemd/ instead of
/lib/systemd/systemd.
- systemd.postinst: When tmp.mount already was enabled, install tmp.mount
into /etc and keep it enabled.
- systemd.postinst: When enabling tmp.mount because of RAMTMP=yes, copy it

ARG!

casey

@Braiam upon further inspection, mkdtemp will create the temp directory in the CWD, not under fixed path

Braiam

6:58 PM

why stuff has to be so complicated?

casey

i prefer tmpfs /tmp not to be default myself, as I have better uses for memory than wasting it on a temp partition.

Braiam

7:17 PM

my disk is a good old spinning one, so using ram instead of the slow disk may speed up some operations when the write cache is busy with other stuff already

casey

7:56 PM

@Braiam its all about use case. I have 18 TB worth of spinning disk but only 24 GB of RAM, which I tend to utilize fully in my research analysis. Even when my code isn't using all of my RAM having my recent datasets cached has a bettery payoff than giving up some of that space to /tmp.

Fabby

@Braiam Get a second-hand Intel SSD... (I got an 80GB for <50€)

Faheem Mitha

@Fabby Does it have a warranty?

Fabby

No...

OTOH it has:
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 5
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0020 100 100 000 Old_age Offline - 0
4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0030 100 100 000 Old_age Offline - 0
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 17953

Braiam

@casey well, your usage isn't precisely the common one, right ;)

casey

@Braiam never claimed it was :)

Fabby

8:16 PM

@derobert sorry to bother you with such a triviality, but "siège social" doesn't sound like "head office" at all... What comes to my mind is "QG"...
(Using English as not to ¶ı§§ off any one present too much)

derobert

@Fabby ????

Fabby

@derobert You're not native French speaking?

derobert

Nope.

Fabby

Sorry then... :-)

"De Robert" sounds very French to me...

derobert

I think Gilles is...

Italian, actually. But my family has been in the US for a bit, so I only speak English.

Fabby

8:19 PM

Niente in Italiano???

(nothing in Italian???)

(except probably the cooking...) ;-)

Gilles

@Fabby “Robert” is French, but not “de Robert” as a name

Fabby

Actually, with a small "D", it's an aristocratic French name...

casey

io no capisco l'itliano

Gilles

@Fabby is it?

Fabby

@casey Certo! ;-)

@Gilles Yup...

@Gilles Probably French aristocracy who fled the Italy during the French revolution and then emigrated to the US...

Gilles

8:22 PM

@Fabby can't be much of a family since none of them have any Wikipedia page

casey

yo hablo un poco espanol. sunt vorbesc romaneste

Fabby

@casey No Romanian here...

@Gilles Sorry to bother you with such a triviality, but "siège social" doesn't sound like "head office" at all... What comes to my mind is "QG"...
(Using English as not to ¶ı§§ off any one present too much)

@Seth: how come you're in on a Friday-evening???

Gilles

@Fabby if you want to discuss French, hop in chez Cosette

Fabby

@Gilles Il n'y a personne!

Gilles

and provide some context. “Siège social” can certainly be a valid translation for “head office”.

Seth

8:25 PM

@Fabby Aren't I usually in?

It's not actually evening here yet either :P

Gilles

→ 3 messages moved to Chez Cosette

→ 2 messages moved to Chez Cosette

Fabby

@Seth Not on a Friday...

;-)

Seth

Dunno what you think I should be doing xD

Faheem Mitha

@Fabby Where did you buy it from?

@Seth Out merrymaking, presumably.

Or making merry, if you prefer.

Seth

It's a bit too hot for that right now lol.

Faheem Mitha

8:32 PM

Wine, women, song. That sort of thing. And dancing too. I don't know why they leave out dancing. Either (a) because it doesn't start with w, or because wine and dancing don't really mix.

@Seth The heat wave is still going?

Seth

Yeah :(

Faheem Mitha

Where is your location again?

Seth

It stopped for about a week and now it's going full strength again.

@FaheemMitha I'm in the Puget Sound region of the US.

Faheem Mitha

@Seth What state is that?

Seth

Washington.