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Pandya

9:35 AM

IS there any canonical question for :How to find out when OS was installed? otherwise I want to make a new one.

@terdon Do you've any idea? ^^^^

terdon

I think so, yes. Have you searched for one?

Pandya

I've just tried unix.stackexchange.com/search?q=installation+date

terdon

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Q: How do I find how long ago a Linux system was installed?

How can I find the time since a Linux system was first installed, provided that nobody has tried to hide it?

Pandya

@terdon Thanks

@terdon Let me know ls -l /var/log/installer works for you?

terdon

@Pandya I am not on a Debian based system.

Pandya

9:44 AM

It means that works only for Debian based system right?

terdon

That's what it says in the answer:

> On Debian or Ubuntu and their derivatives, see /var/log/installer/syslog for the definitive answer if it exists it is part of the log of the instillation.

OK, I checked on my Debian partition and yes, it does work:

$ ls -ld /mnt/debroot/var/log/installer/
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Nov 23  2010 /mnt/debroot/var/log/installer/

Which sounds about right. And is the same date I get from tunefs on my oldest partition:

$ sudo tune2fs -l /dev/sdc1   | grep 'Filesystem created:'
Filesystem created:       Mon Nov 29 19:02:30 2010

Pandya

This answer tells when the file-system was created which can be considered as trustful right?

terdon

I don't know. What do you men by "canonical"?

@Pandya Well, yes. Unless you have re-created the file system.

Faheem Mitha

@Pandya trustful? You mean trustworthy/reliable?

Pandya

@FaheemMitha yes.

Faheem Mitha

9:53 AM

@Pandya Yes, I think the filesystem creation of root is a pretty good indicator of when that installation was done.

Pandya

Nice to meet @terdon & @FaheemMitha simultaneous/together! :D

Faheem Mitha

People rarely recreate their root partition unless they are doing a new installation. In fact, I have difficulty imagining a reason why they would do so. Possibly to move to newer media. E.g. traditional SCSI hard disks to the newer SSD.

Anyone here using SSDs? The price here remains annoyingly high. And if so, how is it working for you?

@terdon Thanks for the tab suspender tip. It's working quite well for me here. Though Chromium memory continues to rise, even with only a few tabs active. I think it must have really bad leaks - I'm not even doing that much.

terdon

Both chrome and firefox do this for me. It's really annoying.

Faheem Mitha

I see I accidentally added chat.stackexchange.com to the whitelist. Do you think I should leave it in there? They don't seem to use much memory.

@terdon Yes, it is. I have 16 GB on this book, and after a few weeks, my disk starts thrashing! Granted, I have too many tabs, but still...

I don't see why they can't fix memory leaks. Is it really so hard?

terdon

@FaheemMitha Talk about 1st world problems! I have 3G and start having problems after a few hours. Weeks indeed!

Faheem Mitha

10:02 AM

@Pandya If you're in Gujarat, you're not far away from me.

@terdon I have fast bandwidth too. Maybe not as fast as you. Do you open and close a lot of tabs in a day?

Pandya

@FaheemMitha where are you?

terdon

@FaheemMitha Probably faster than I. And yes, I do close and open a lot.

Faheem Mitha

I probably open and close a few dozen. I try not to keep track. I occasionally look at my browsing history - it's terrifying.

@Pandya Bombay, India.

@terdon "Probably faster than I"? Sorry, don't follow.

Pandya

@FaheemMitha By the way which is your country?

Have you came for visiting Bombay?

Faheem Mitha

@Pandya Sorry, I don't know what you mean? My country? I'm Indian.

@Pandya I'm not visiting. I live here.

Pandya

10:06 AM

Oh! I had not known.

Faheem Mitha

@terdon Thoughts about whitelisting SE chat?

terdon

@FaheemMitha Your connection is probably faster than mine.

Faheem Mitha

@Pandya People living in India are normally Indians. Everyone else runs away screaming. Assuming they come here at all.

terdon

@FaheemMitha I have, it's OK. I found that gmail is the worst memory hog.

Faheem Mitha

@terdon Ah, ok. Are you still in Greece? How are you doing?

Pandya

10:08 AM

@FaheemMitha Then what is your first language? Marathi?

terdon

@FaheemMitha Yes, I am and fine. I just started a new job at a bioinformatics startup.

Faheem Mitha

@terdon Hmm. If I knew of an easy way to measure tab memory consumption, I would.

terdon

@FaheemMitha Shift+Esc shows you the chrome task manager.

Faheem Mitha

@Pandya I just know English. I can speak something that resembles Hindi.

@terdon Ok.

Pandya

OK. I know Gujarati, Hindi and English. @FaheemMitha

Faheem Mitha

10:11 AM

@terdon Hmm, the open tabs seem to be reporting quite high memory consumption. Like 100MB each.

@Pandya Ok. That's good.

Pandya

@terdon dumpe2fs also works:

$ sudo tune2fs -l /dev/sda8 | grep 'Filesystem created'
Filesystem created: Fri Nov 28 05:06:22 2014
$ sudo dumpe2fs /dev/sda8 | grep 'Filesystem created'
dumpe2fs 1.42.9 (4-Feb-2014)
Filesystem created: Fri Nov 28 05:06:22 2014

Faheem Mitha

I just discovered that a new state was created last year, with Hyderabad as its capital. I had no idea till just now, when I checked on a book I ordered. It was being shipped from Hyderabad, but I didn't recognize the state name. I really should pay more attention.

@Pandya I'd consider using LVM or maybe a better filesystem. Raw partitions aren't very flexible. cas said good things about ZFS.

Pandya

Telangana

Telangana (/tɛlənˈɡɑːnə/) is a state in South India and one of the 29 states in India. It was formed on 2 June 2014 with the city of Hyderabad as its capital. Telangana is bordered by the states of Maharashtra to the north and North west Chhattisgarh, Karnataka to the west, and Andhra Pradesh to the east and south. As the twelfth largest state in India, Telangana has an area of 114,840 square kilometres (44,340 sq mi), and a population of 35,286,757 (2011 census). Its major cities include Hyderabad, Warangal, Adilabad, Nizamabad, Karimnagar, Ramagundam and Khammam. Telangana acquired its identity...

@FaheemMitha It might be Telangana

@FaheemMitha Which filesystem do you use?

Faheem Mitha

@Pandya ext4. The Debian default.

@Pandya Yes, I know. That was my point - I didn't know about this. And Hyderabad is not that far away.

@terdon Did the memory problem get much worse recently? I was using 4GB until relatively recently, and didn't really notice a problem.

@Pandya So, what are conditions like where you are?

terdon

@FaheemMitha I think so. Not sure though.

Faheem Mitha

10:21 AM

Hmm. Well, it's not good.

What's the point of having a browser that eats all your memory. Is Flash part of the problem? I'm not using Flash right now, but I'm still losing memory.

terdon

I don't know. But both the major ones have the same issue.

Faheem Mitha

@terdon Ok.

Pandya

@FaheemMitha Fine.

Faheem Mitha

@Pandya Ok. That's not very specific, though.

Pandya

Also check for Extra Browser Add-ons @FaheemMitha

Faheem Mitha

10:25 AM

@Pandya I don't follow. What addons?

Pandya

I am replying for that. Which browser?

Faheem Mitha

@Pandya Which browser am I using? Chromium.

Pandya

@FaheemMitha Oh! may be Extension for chromium. (earlier my meant by Addons)

Faheem Mitha

@Pandya Yes, there are extensions for Chromium. I'm not sure what you mean, though. Are you suggesting I look at the Extensions?

If so, anything in particular?

Pandya

@FaheemMitha I am not using Chromium but in case of firefox, I wanted to tell about something like this

Faheem Mitha

10:32 AM

@Pandya I see. Interesting, thanks.

Kishore Patra

hello can I join here?

Pandya

@KishorePatra chat.stackexchange.com/faq

Faheem Mitha

@KishorePatra It's a public channel. You don't have to ask permission.

Kishore Patra

ok

I am new..so just maintain formality..

Well I have a problem in linux mint.

I am using linux mint 17.2 as well as windows 7 on the same system.

when I select linux to open after booting then it just flashes light on the middle of the screeen on the mint logo..

when I press esc it is getting normal operation

Faheem Mitha

@KishorePatra So, it's not booting?

Kishore Patra

10:45 AM

First the grub is running i think

then I have to choose one of the OS

so when I select Linux the screen is like on-0ff on-off continuosly

I don't know why...but when I press Esc. it process normally..

So can anyone know what is the problem ?

Faheem Mitha

@terdon ghacks.net/2013/06/14/how-to-tame-google-chromes-memory-use

Well, we're not the only ones facing the problem.

@KishorePatra I don't understand. What does Esc correspond to?

Kishore Patra

@FaheemMitha Escape button of the keyboard i.e. on top left corner of the keyboard

Faheem Mitha

@KishorePatra No, I know that. I meant, what does it do in whatever program you're in? Do you hit Escape from inside GRUB?

Kishore Patra

11:02 AM

When I select Linux OS from the grub then it prepares to load the linux, I guess. Just after then the mint logo appears in the center and getting on-off on-off ......untill I press Esc button. one day I have waited...it continues for 20 mins..and then just worked normally...

Faheem Mitha

11:15 AM

@KishorePatra I don't understand your last sentence. I recommend writing a question on the site.

Faheem Mitha

2:39 PM

Does this log file mean anything to anyone?

@FaheemMitha you view the log file here: justpaste.it/pid0 — Apostolos Syropoulos 4 hours ago

Faheem Mitha

9:32 PM

Can anyone repro this on Debian jessie, please?

apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true install -t unstable bup &> /tmp/apt-get.error

I get the following error: gist.github.com/9cb1c6ff8d8bdfa45720

Faheem Mitha

10:26 PM

Never mind, looks like the C++ transition is screwing things up. #apt declared it notabug. Or not an actionable bug, anyway.

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